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30th Apr '16 12:02:02 AM Fireblood
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** One of the first lines in the movie claims that "Atheist have no hope" and shows atheist parents getting rid of items that belonged to their now deceased son without any emotion to it. This film outright stating that Atheists don't care about anything and just hate Christians.

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** One of the first lines in the movie claims that "Atheist "Atheists have no hope" hope", and shows atheist parents getting rid of items that belonged to their now deceased son without any emotion to it. This it, the film outright stating that Atheists atheists don't care about anything and just hate Christians.



** The film indirectly states that the end goal for atheism is to essentially lead an all-out genocide against Christians and Grace being found guilty is the start of that goal.

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** The film indirectly states that the end goal for atheism is to essentially lead an all-out genocide against Christians Christians, and Grace being found guilty is the start of that goal.
23rd Apr '16 8:10:49 AM Discar
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** When Shallan tells an ardent that Jasnah is researching the Voidbringers (ancient demons assumed to be myths at best), he assumes Jasnah is trying to disprove their existence, and thus disprove religion as a whole. Jasnah scoffs at this, saying that trying to prove a negative is a fool's errand, and destroying religion won't really improve the world at all even if she could do it.

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** When Shallan tells an ardent that Jasnah is researching the Voidbringers (ancient demons assumed to be myths at best), he assumes Jasnah is trying to disprove their existence, and thus disprove religion as a whole. Jasnah scoffs at this, saying that trying to prove a negative is a fool's errand, and destroying religion won't wouldn't really improve the world at all even if she could do it.
23rd Apr '16 8:07:05 AM Discar
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* Averted in ''[[Literature/TheStormlightArchive The Way of Kings]]''. POV character Shallan expects Jasnah, a famous atheist scholar she's seeking out an apprenticeship under, will be this, but while Jasnah's a bit of an InsufferableGenius, she turns out to be overall a likable, charismatic person and one of the smartest people in the novel. [[spoiler: At the end of the book, it's revealed that the setting ''does'', in fact, have a god, but [[GodIsDead he's dead]].]]

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* Averted ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'': Quickly subverted in ''[[Literature/TheStormlightArchive The Way the first book of Kings]]''. the series (''Literature/TheWayOfKings''):
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POV character Shallan expects Jasnah, a famous atheist scholar she's seeking out an apprenticeship under, will be this, but while Jasnah's a bit of an InsufferableGenius, she turns out to be overall a likable, charismatic person and one of the smartest people in the novel. novel. Jasnah is always respectful of Shallan's religious beliefs, though she will occasionally roll her eyes at the more ridiculous things.
** Jasnah's uncle Dalinar (who is himself devoutly religious) respects her greatly, partly because she chose to be honest and explain her lack of belief rather than pretending for the sake of appearances.
** One of Jasnah's most precious possessions is a book that a religious scholar used to ''almost'' successfully convert her. One of her biggest PetTheDog moments is when she gives it to Shallan following an apparent suicide attempt.
** When Shallan tells an ardent that Jasnah is researching the Voidbringers (ancient demons assumed to be myths at best), he assumes Jasnah is trying to disprove their existence, and thus disprove religion as a whole. Jasnah scoffs at this, saying that trying to prove a negative is a fool's errand, and destroying religion won't really improve the world at all even if she could do it.
--->'''Jasnah:''' Let the Vorin believe as they wish--the wise among them will find goodness and solace in their faith; the fools would be fools no matter what they believed.
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[[spoiler: At the end of the book, it's revealed that the setting ''does'', in fact, have a god, but [[GodIsDead he's dead]].]]
10th Apr '16 8:08:32 PM Fireblood
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* ''Film/GodsNotDead2'':
** Atheists are portrayed as just God-hating monsters who want to destroy Christianity ForTheEvulz. In this movie, they are an organization with the government backing them in their evil plot.
** One of the first lines in the movie claims that "Atheist have no hope" and shows atheist parents getting rid of items that belonged to their now deceased son without any emotion to it. This film outright stating that Atheists don't care about anything and just hate Christians.
** Martin's father hits his son and disowns him for being a Christian. Seems like they couldn't use that same scenario with Muslims again as in the last film.
** The film indirectly states that the end goal for atheism is to essentially lead an all-out genocide against Christians and Grace being found guilty is the start of that goal.
5th Apr '16 11:19:39 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Morrigan fills the role of the Hollywood Atheist: She's the only outspoken non-believer in your party and also the closest thing the game has to an 'evil' character with an ItsAllAboutMe attitude. She even has a PartyBanter moment with the religious Leliana where they both make good points for and against religion. In fairness to Morrigan, she's a rogue mage in a setting where the dominant religion heavily regulates magic users and would be marked for death just because she was raised outside of the Chantry, so it's more than just a philosophical point for her.

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* In ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins'', Morrigan fills the role of the Hollywood Atheist: She's the only outspoken non-believer in your party and also the closest thing the game has to an 'evil' character with an ItsAllAboutMe attitude. She even has a PartyBanter moment with the religious Leliana where they both make good points for and against religion. In fairness to Morrigan, she's a rogue mage in a setting where the dominant religion heavily regulates magic users and would be marked for death just because she was raised outside of the Chantry, so it's more than just a philosophical point for her. Sten, who follows the Qun religion/philosophy, also takes occasional shots at the local faith from more of a "Qunari have OutgrownSuchSillySuperstitions" angle.
13th Mar '16 7:38:47 PM WanderingBrowser
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* [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Gorr the God-Butcher]], a villain from a 2015 storyline for Marvel's ''ComicBook/TheMightyThor'' counts. He started as a skeptical child, but a lifetime of seeing the religious faith of his people avail them nothing -- [[TraumaCongaLine his mother was eaten by predators in front of a god's shrine, his world began to dry up and die, all of his children except one son died of starvation/predators, his pregnant wife was killed in an earthquake, and his only surviving son died of hunger & thirst in his tribe's desperate attempt to find a new place to live]] -- convinced him that there were no gods. When he speaks out on this, his tribe stones him for blasphemy, driving him into the wilderness to die on his own. Where, miraculously, [[RealAfterAll one of his gods crashes in front of him]], mortally wounded after dealing the death blow to an alien "black god". When the deity begs Gorr for help, Gorr explodes in a rage, demanding to know where the gods had been all his life and why they hadn't helped his family. In his fury, he accidentally takes up the essence powering the "black god", the Necrosword, and kills his god. Now uplifted to the status of PhysicalGod himself and convinced that GodIsEvil, Gorr starts aimlessly wandering the universe, murdering and torturing all gods he can find before creating a plan to annihilate all gods everywhere at once with a mega-bomb powered by the heart of a butchered Elder God.
5th Mar '16 2:49:11 PM Fireblood
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* {{Discussed}} in ''Triggers'' by Creator/RobertJSawyer, where the US President is a closet atheist. Following numerous terrorist attacks in the US, culminating with his own near-assassination, he decides to destroy Pakistan with nuclear missiles for harboring terrorists. An old woman finds out about his nonbelief and this plan, trying to convince him that doing so will not only cause him to be viewed as a monster, but it people will say only an atheist could have done such a terrible thing (he had planned to admit his atheism after leaving the White House). Sawyer is himself an atheist, and thus averts this in his works.

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* {{Discussed}} in ''Triggers'' by Creator/RobertJSawyer, where the US President is a closet atheist. Following numerous terrorist attacks in the US, culminating with his own near-assassination, he decides to destroy Pakistan with nuclear missiles for harboring terrorists. An old woman finds out about his nonbelief and this plan, trying to convince him that doing so will not only cause him to be viewed as a monster, but it later people will would say only an atheist could have done such a terrible thing (he had planned to admit his atheism after leaving the White House). Sawyer is himself an atheist, and thus averts this in his works.
2nd Mar '16 4:39:49 PM Fireblood
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** ''Film/TheSearchers'' has this with Ethan Edwards, who was presumably a religious man once but is now soured, makes repeated demeaning references to religion and mocks priests by describing Christianity as "by what you preach" indicating that he himself is not a Christian anymore. Edwards reason for his atheism is presumably the loss of his loved ones, his time as a Confederate Soldier and general JerkAss nature.

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** ''Film/TheSearchers'' has this with Ethan Edwards, who was presumably a religious man once but is now soured, makes repeated demeaning references to religion and mocks priests by describing Christianity as "by what you preach" indicating that he himself is not a Christian anymore. Edwards reason for his atheism is presumably the loss of his loved ones, his time as a Confederate Soldier soldier and general JerkAss nature.
1st Mar '16 10:01:33 PM JulianLapostat
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* Creator/JohnFord, despite being a Catholic himself, provided an aversion in his final film, ''7 Women'', where Anne Bancroft, an atheist doctor working in a religious mission ends up performing a HeroicSacrifice. The film makes the religious characters deeply unsympathetic while Anne Bancroft is present as John Wayne's DistaffCounterpart. In the film, while her character's atheism is implied and stated, she is fairly good natured (if an alcoholic) about it and doesn't seem to have trauma. John Ford explained her simply:
--> '''John Ford''': She was a doctor--her object in life was to save people. She was a woman who had no religion, but she got in with this bunch of kooks and started acting like a human being.
** ''Film/TheSearchers'' has this with Ethan Edwards, who was presumably a religious man once but is now soured, makes repeated demeaning references to religion and mocks priests by describing Christianity as "by what you preach" indicating that he himself is not a Christian anymore. Edwards reason for his atheism is presumably the loss of his loved ones, his time as a Confederate Soldier and general JerkAss nature.
1st Mar '16 9:25:10 PM DesertDragon
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* Atheists only seem to have arguments against their culture's predominant religion. In the real world this is most often Christianity, and to a lesser extent, its brethren Judaism and Islam. They'll have nothing bad to say against Asia-originating or tribal religions-they may even view them positively in contrast. Note however that some Eastern religions have atheist variants, like Buddhism, Hinduism and Jainism.

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* Atheists only seem to have arguments against their culture's predominant religion. In the real world this is most often Christianity, and to a lesser extent, its brethren Judaism and Islam. They'll have nothing bad to say against Asia-originating or tribal religions-they about other spiritualities-they may even view them positively in contrast. Note however that some Eastern religions have atheist variants, like variants--like Buddhism, Hinduism Hinduism, and Jainism.Jainism--in which their philosophies are practiced but worship is not.
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