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25th Apr '18 2:22:22 PM patriciovalencia117
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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and was rather callous towards British colonial subjects (at one point he even said he would be fine with letting Mahatma Gandhi starve to death during his hunger strike, and perhaps most infamously advocated the use of [[DisproportionateRetribution lethal force against peaceful pro-independence protesters in the Middle East]]). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous shortcomings.

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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and was rather callous towards British colonial subjects (at one point he even said he would be fine with letting Mahatma Gandhi starve to death during his hunger strike, and perhaps most infamously advocated the use of [[DisproportionateRetribution lethal force against peaceful pro-independence protesters in the Middle East]]). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous shortcomings.
25th Apr '18 2:18:44 PM patriciovalencia117
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** UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt is remembered fondly for guiding the United States through both the great Depression and WWII, however most people overlook his dark side. He made multiple attempts to seize greater power for the presidency and often worked behind the backs of the other branches of government to achieve his ends. In the court packing scheme for example, he drafted an executive order that would allow him to appoint additional Supreme Court judges to "assist" the many elderly judges on the court, which would essentially grant him control of the supreme court. Congress threatened to impeach him if he went through with it, as it violated the separation of powers between the executive and the judiciary (expanding the court requires Congressional approval). The decision most people are appalled at is the internment of Japanese-Americans on suspicion of espionage, which even J. Edgar Hoover opposed. Many people today also overlook his role in developing the Atomic Bomb, though in the case of the latter he has the benefit of the doubt since the decision and strategy to bomb Japan was undertaken by Harry Truman alone, and supporters often wonder if Roosevelt would have ordered the dropping of the Bomb had he not died.

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** UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt is remembered fondly for guiding the United States through both the great Depression and WWII, however most people overlook his dark side. He made multiple attempts to seize greater power for the presidency and often worked behind the backs of the other branches of government to achieve his ends. In the court packing scheme for example, he drafted an executive order that would allow him to appoint additional Supreme Court judges to "assist" the many elderly judges on the court, which would essentially grant him control of the supreme court. Congress threatened to impeach him if he went through with it, as it violated the separation of powers between the executive and the judiciary (expanding the court requires Congressional approval). The decision most people are appalled at is the his authorization of Japanese-American internment of Japanese-Americans on suspicion of espionage, which even J. Edgar Hoover opposed. Many people today also overlook his role in developing the Atomic Bomb, though in the case of the latter he has the benefit of the doubt since the decision and strategy to bomb Japan was undertaken by Harry Truman alone, and supporters often wonder if Roosevelt would have ordered the dropping of the Bomb had he not died.
25th Apr '18 12:55:34 PM CaptainCrawdad
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* Al Swearengen of ''{{Series/Deadwood}}''. Both the real and fictional Al Swearengen did terrible things. In the show, Al is a frontier mob boss who regularly orders murders, while in reality he was a sex slaver who forced unwitting women into prostitution. However, in later seasons of the show, Al becomes a force for good in the camp as he helps the locals defy the evil George Hearst. The show also gives him some PetTheDog moments, showing that he cares for cripples and outcasts in his own twisted way.
** It deserves a mention that the creators originally envisioned Al as a much more negative figure, as is clear in the way he is written in the [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first couple of episodes]]. It was Creator/IanMcShane's [[ThrowItIn portrayal]] that convinced them to make Al an AntiHero and transfer his negative qualities to Cy Tolliver. Notably, Cy (a fictional character replacing a harmless real guy and thus an example of [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the opposite trope]]) was played by Creator/PowersBoothe, who had originally auditioned to play Al.

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* Al Swearengen of ''{{Series/Deadwood}}''. Both the real and fictional Al Swearengen did terrible things. In the show, Al is a frontier mob boss who regularly orders murders, while in reality he was a sex slaver who [[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil forced unwitting women women]] into prostitution. However, in later seasons of Al's hero upgrade gets more pronounced as the show, Al becomes show continues, allowing him more and more PetTheDog moments until he eventually makes a force for good HeelFaceTurn in the fight to save the camp against Hearst's interests. Al's role as resident villain in the camp as he helps the locals defy the evil George Hearst. The show also gives him some PetTheDog moments, showing that he cares for cripples and outcasts in his own twisted way.
** It deserves a mention that the creators originally envisioned Al as a much more negative figure, as
is clear in the way he is written in the [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness first couple of episodes]]. It was Creator/IanMcShane's [[ThrowItIn portrayal]] that convinced them to make Al an AntiHero and transfer his negative qualities slowly transferred over to Cy Tolliver. Notably, Cy (a Tolliver, a fictional character replacing a harmless real guy and thus an example of [[HistoricalVillainUpgrade the opposite trope]]) was played by Creator/PowersBoothe, who had originally auditioned to play Al.harmless real guy]].
22nd Apr '18 4:05:05 PM HamburgerTime
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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and was rather callous towards British colonial subjects (at one point he even would be fine with letting Mahatma Gandhi starve to death during his hunger strike). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous shortcomings.

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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and was rather callous towards British colonial subjects (at one point he even said he would be fine with letting Mahatma Gandhi starve to death during his hunger strike).strike, and perhaps most infamously advocated the use of [[DisproportionateRetribution lethal force against peaceful pro-independence protesters in the Middle East]]). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous shortcomings.
28th Mar '18 1:30:17 AM Scoutstr295
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** UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy is often seen as the "last true president" of the United States and is seen in many circles as a president who saved the world from Armageddon and would have avoided Vietnam and saved America from <insert Villainous secret society here that killed him in Conspiracy Theories> had he lived. He is almost ''canonized'' (along with Andrew Jackson sometimes) in ConspiracyTheorist circles as a pillar of moral character that stood against the "system". The fact that the "monolithic conspiracy" speech was probably a reference to Communism and the Soviet Union gets ignored, along with his professional and personal failings. A lot of his forays into international affairs were dangerous brinkmanship at best and disastrous at worst. Notably, failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion was caused by his ineffective and [[SenselessSacrifice pointless]] CavalryRefusal and the Cuban Missile Crisis was defused owing to the fact that [[PragmaticVillainy even the Soviets were worried about]] the AxeCrazy claims of Castro and Che regarding the nukes as it did to JFK's success. While Kennedy opposed military intervention in Vietnam, it was not because he was anti-war but because he felt that a war in Vietnam wouldn't be in the US Americas interests. Domestically, Kennedy was not the egalitarian as the left would assume; when he was a congressman, he supported legislation that would allow the surveillance and harassment of supposed communist sympathizers, and he wasn't enthusiastic about supporting the civil rights movement. In his personal life, he was charismatic and charming but was also dishonest, cheating on his wife so frequently he and his staff had to devise an alarm system to warn when she was nearby.

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** UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy is often seen as the "last true president" of the United States and is seen in many circles as a president who saved the world from Armageddon and would have avoided Vietnam and saved America from <insert Villainous secret society here that killed him in Conspiracy Theories> had he lived. He is almost ''canonized'' (along with Andrew Jackson sometimes) in ConspiracyTheorist circles as a pillar of moral character that stood against the "system". The fact that the "monolithic conspiracy" speech was probably a reference to Communism and the Soviet Union gets ignored, along with his professional and personal failings. A lot of his forays into international affairs were dangerous brinkmanship at best and disastrous at worst. Notably, failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion was caused by his ineffective and [[SenselessSacrifice pointless]] CavalryRefusal CavalryRefusal, and the Cuban Missile Crisis was defused owing to the fact that [[PragmaticVillainy even the Soviets were worried about]] the AxeCrazy claims of Castro and Che regarding Che's AxCrazy claims about the nukes as it did to JFK's success. While Kennedy opposed military intervention in Vietnam, it was not because he was anti-war but because he felt that a war in Vietnam wouldn't be in the US Americas interests.America's interest. Domestically, Kennedy was not the egalitarian as the left would assume; when he was a congressman, he supported legislation that would allow the surveillance and harassment of supposed communist sympathizers, and he wasn't enthusiastic about supporting the civil rights movement. In his personal life, he was charismatic and charming but was also dishonest, cheating on his wife so frequently he and his staff had to devise an alarm system to warn when she was nearby.
20th Mar '18 11:47:16 AM patriciovalencia117
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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and had no qualms about crushing any resistance to British rule (including the starvation of Bengalis in 1943). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous atrocities.

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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and had no qualms about crushing any resistance to was rather callous towards British rule (including the starvation of Bengalis in 1943). colonial subjects (at one point he even would be fine with letting Mahatma Gandhi starve to death during his hunger strike). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous atrocities.shortcomings.
19th Mar '18 12:33:34 AM patriciovalencia117
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* UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill is considered by the British to be one of their most popular and inspiring Prime Ministers. During the London Blitz, he gave speeches that would inspire the British to fight on against the Nazis and vowed to never surrender to Hitler even if it meant sacrificing the British Empire. However, many overlooked the fact that despite his disdain for the Nazis, Churchill wasn't exactly spotless either when it comes to his views on race and imperialism. He held white supremacist views (including a belief in the concept of an Aryan master race) and had no qualms about crushing any resistance to British rule (including the starvation of Bengalis in 1943). In many former colonies, including subcontinent India, many have not forgotten Churchill's numerous atrocities.
17th Mar '18 9:30:25 PM patriciovalencia117
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** UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy is often seen as the "last true president" of the United States and is seen in many circles as a president who saved the world from Armageddon and would have avoided Vietnam and saved America from <insert Villainous secret society here that killed him in Conspiracy Theories> had he lived. He is almost ''canonized'' (along with Andrew Jackson sometimes) in ConspiracyTheorist circles as a pillar of moral character that stood against the "system". The fact that the "monolithic conspiracy" speech was probably a reference to Communism and the Soviet Union gets ignored, along with his professional and personal failings. A lot of his forays into international affairs were dangerous brinkmanship at best and disastrous at worst. Notably, failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion was caused by his ineffective and [[SenselessSacrifice pointless]] CavalryRefusal and the Cuban Missile Crisis was defused owing to the fact that [[PragmaticVillainy even the Soviets were worried about]] the AxeCrazy claims of Castro and Che regarding the nukes as it did to JFK's success. While Kennedy opposed military intervention in Vietnam, it was not because he was anti-war but because he felt that a war in Vietnam wouldn't be in the US Americas interests. Domestically, he was not the egalitarian and progressive as the left would assume; when Kennedy was a congressman, he voted in favor of legislation that would allow the surveillance and harassment of supposed communist sympathizers, and as president, he wasn't enthusiastic about supporting the civil rights movement. In his personal life, he was charismatic and charming but was also dishonest, cheating on his wife so frequently he and his staff had to devise an alarm system to warn when she was nearby.

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** UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy is often seen as the "last true president" of the United States and is seen in many circles as a president who saved the world from Armageddon and would have avoided Vietnam and saved America from <insert Villainous secret society here that killed him in Conspiracy Theories> had he lived. He is almost ''canonized'' (along with Andrew Jackson sometimes) in ConspiracyTheorist circles as a pillar of moral character that stood against the "system". The fact that the "monolithic conspiracy" speech was probably a reference to Communism and the Soviet Union gets ignored, along with his professional and personal failings. A lot of his forays into international affairs were dangerous brinkmanship at best and disastrous at worst. Notably, failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion was caused by his ineffective and [[SenselessSacrifice pointless]] CavalryRefusal and the Cuban Missile Crisis was defused owing to the fact that [[PragmaticVillainy even the Soviets were worried about]] the AxeCrazy claims of Castro and Che regarding the nukes as it did to JFK's success. While Kennedy opposed military intervention in Vietnam, it was not because he was anti-war but because he felt that a war in Vietnam wouldn't be in the US Americas interests. Domestically, he Kennedy was not the egalitarian and progressive as the left would assume; when Kennedy he was a congressman, he voted in favor of supported legislation that would allow the surveillance and harassment of supposed communist sympathizers, and as president, he wasn't enthusiastic about supporting the civil rights movement. In his personal life, he was charismatic and charming but was also dishonest, cheating on his wife so frequently he and his staff had to devise an alarm system to warn when she was nearby.
17th Mar '18 9:25:08 PM patriciovalencia117
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** UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy is often seen as the "last true president" of the United States and is seen in many circles as a president who saved the world from Armageddon and would have avoided Vietnam and saved America from <insert Villainous secret society here that killed him in Conspiracy Theories> had he lived. He is almost ''canonized'' (along with Andrew Jackson sometimes) in ConspiracyTheorist circles as a pillar of moral character that stood against the "system". The fact that the "monolithic conspiracy" speech was probably a reference to Communism and the Soviet Union gets ignored, along with his professional and personal failings. A lot of his forays into international affairs were dangerous brinkmanship at best and disastrous at worst. Notably, failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion was caused by his ineffective and [[SenselessSacrifice pointless]] CavalryRefusal and the Cuban Missile Crisis was defused owing to the fact that [[PragmaticVillainy even the Soviets were worried about]] the AxeCrazy claims of Castro and Che regarding the nukes as it did to JFK's success. While Kennedy opposed military intervention in Vietnam, it was not because he was anti-war but because he felt that a war in Vietnam wouldn't be in the US interest. Domestically, he was not the egalitarian and progressive as on the left would assume; as a congressman, he voted in favor of legislation that would allow the surveillance and harassment of supposed communist supporters, and he wasn't all that enthusiastic about the civil rights movement. In his personal life, he was charismatic and charming but was also dishonest, cheating on his wife so frequently he and his staff had to devise an alarm system to warn when she was nearby.
** UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan is another US President who has been raised to heroic status for allegedly "ending the Cold War without a shot", as UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher put it. He is fondly remembered by many people for giving the USA back its self-confidence after the embarrassment of Watergate and being forced to pull back from the Vietnam War. The Reagan administration oversaw an economic policy that gave business people more freedom without government interference, which was a good thing for the rich. It has gotten to the point that Reagan is basically seen as some kind of lovable and morally incorruptible grandpa figure, which is a very romanticized image. For starters, Reagan was very tough on Communism during the first years of his administration, actively wanting to put more nuclear missiles in Europe and even in space (the "Star Wars" project) just to be safe from possible USSR attacks but he moderated in response to the biggest anti-nuclear demonstrations of all time and learned to back down from his tough-talking approach, forming a friendship with UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev. Likewise, Reagan led the most corrupt US Administration with more officials imprisoned and dismissed from office under his tenure than any other, among the most notable being the Iran-Contra scandal. In addition to this, there is his handling of the AIDS Crisis which led many LGBT activists to believe that his administration was either indifferent or were actively leaving them to die, taking action only after straight people became affected. In foreign-policy, Reagan supported bad actors in El Salvador, the Nicaraguan Contras, Apartheid South Africa,simply because they were anti-communist.

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** UsefulNotes/JohnFKennedy is often seen as the "last true president" of the United States and is seen in many circles as a president who saved the world from Armageddon and would have avoided Vietnam and saved America from <insert Villainous secret society here that killed him in Conspiracy Theories> had he lived. He is almost ''canonized'' (along with Andrew Jackson sometimes) in ConspiracyTheorist circles as a pillar of moral character that stood against the "system". The fact that the "monolithic conspiracy" speech was probably a reference to Communism and the Soviet Union gets ignored, along with his professional and personal failings. A lot of his forays into international affairs were dangerous brinkmanship at best and disastrous at worst. Notably, failure of the Bay of Pigs invasion was caused by his ineffective and [[SenselessSacrifice pointless]] CavalryRefusal and the Cuban Missile Crisis was defused owing to the fact that [[PragmaticVillainy even the Soviets were worried about]] the AxeCrazy claims of Castro and Che regarding the nukes as it did to JFK's success. While Kennedy opposed military intervention in Vietnam, it was not because he was anti-war but because he felt that a war in Vietnam wouldn't be in the US interest. Americas interests. Domestically, he was not the egalitarian and progressive as on the left would assume; as when Kennedy was a congressman, he voted in favor of legislation that would allow the surveillance and harassment of supposed communist supporters, sympathizers, and as president, he wasn't all that enthusiastic about supporting the civil rights movement. In his personal life, he was charismatic and charming but was also dishonest, cheating on his wife so frequently he and his staff had to devise an alarm system to warn when she was nearby.
** UsefulNotes/RonaldReagan is another US President who has been raised to heroic status for allegedly "ending the Cold War without a shot", as UsefulNotes/MargaretThatcher put it. He is fondly remembered by many people for giving the USA back its self-confidence after the embarrassment of Watergate and being forced to pull back from the Vietnam War. The Reagan administration oversaw an economic policy that gave business people more freedom without government interference, which was a good thing for the rich. It has gotten to the point that Reagan is basically seen as some kind of lovable and morally incorruptible grandpa figure, which is a very romanticized image. For starters, Reagan was very tough on Communism during the first years of his administration, actively wanting to put more nuclear missiles in Europe and even in space (the "Star Wars" project) just to be safe from possible USSR attacks but he moderated in response to the biggest anti-nuclear demonstrations of all time and learned to back down from his tough-talking approach, forming a friendship with UsefulNotes/MikhailGorbachev. Likewise, Reagan led the most corrupt US Administration with more officials imprisoned and dismissed from office under his tenure than any other, among the most notable being the Iran-Contra scandal. In addition to this, there is his handling of the AIDS Crisis which led many LGBT activists to believe that his administration was either indifferent or were actively leaving them to die, taking action only after straight people became affected. In foreign-policy, Reagan supported bad actors in El Salvador, the Nicaraguan Contras, and Apartheid South Africa,simply Africa, simply because they were anti-communist.
10th Mar '18 5:49:00 PM danlansdowne
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* Although Nelson Mandela ''has'' achieved much through peaceful negotiations and protest, many works tend to ignore or downplay his time as a part of the leadership of the uMkhonto we Sizwe, the military wing of the African National Congress. This wing of the ANC was involved in numerous high-profile bombings and acts of terrorism, including torture and execuion. Since the apartheid-regime genuinely reduced many black African's living conditions to sub-human standard there is [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters a lot of varied mileage on how much these acts can be judged from a modern persective]], but even so you are much more likely to see Mandela be associated with his peaceful protests, his presidency, or his martyrdom as a 28-year prisoner than, say, the uMkhonto we Sizwe's bombing of Church Street or the "Landmine Campaign" which killed 23-25 civillians over the course of two years before the ANC retracted this strategy. It helps that al these acts are associated with the ANC as a whole rather than Mandela as a person.

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* Although Nelson Mandela ''has'' achieved much through peaceful negotiations and protest, many works tend to ignore or downplay his time as a part of the leadership of the uMkhonto we Sizwe, the military wing of the African National Congress. This wing of the ANC was involved in numerous high-profile bombings and acts of terrorism, including torture and execuion. Since the apartheid-regime genuinely reduced many black African's living conditions to sub-human standard there is [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters a lot of varied mileage on how much these acts can be judged from a modern persective]], but even so you are much more likely to see Mandela be associated with his peaceful protests, his presidency, or his martyrdom as a 28-year prisoner than, say, the uMkhonto we Sizwe's bombing of Church Street or the "Landmine Campaign" which killed 23-25 civillians over the course of two years before the ANC retracted this strategy. It helps that al all these acts are associated with the ANC as a whole rather than Mandela as a person.
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