History Main / HistoricalHeroUpgrade

11th May '16 3:40:37 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* TheKnightsTemplar in general and Jacques de Molay, their last Grand Master, in particular. Thanks to ''Literature/TheAccursedKings'' of Maurice Druon for adding to this. While [[ThePurge executing every member of the order]] is horrific, this does not mean that the Knights Templar were saints. It was a case of BlackAndGrayMorality, which some treat like BlackAndWhiteMorality.

to:

* TheKnightsTemplar UsefulNotes/TheKnightsTemplar in general and Jacques de Molay, their last Grand Master, in particular. Thanks to ''Literature/TheAccursedKings'' of Maurice Druon for adding to this. While [[ThePurge executing every member of the order]] is horrific, this does not mean that the Knights Templar were saints. It was a case of BlackAndGrayMorality, which some treat like BlackAndWhiteMorality.
8th May '16 1:53:44 PM Psyclone
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** A recurring theme in the books is Cain using his memoirs (compiled into the books we read) to give himself a HistoricalVillainUpgrade instead. By his actions, Cain is a hero. By his own claims he's a self-serving coward. Those tropes get played with a lot, and Sandy Mitchell says [[ShrugOfGod he's not sure.]]

to:

** A recurring theme in the books is Cain using his memoirs (compiled into the books we read) to give himself a HistoricalVillainUpgrade instead. By his actions, Cain is a hero. By his own claims he's a self-serving coward. Those tropes get played with a lot, and Sandy Mitchell says [[ShrugOfGod he's not sure.sure if Cain is a hero or a coward.]]
5th May '16 2:26:07 AM TheWildWestPyro
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Sergeant Alvin C. York of the U.S. Army got this treatment, which he openly lampshaded, once he returned from UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Famed for leading a small contingent of soldiers to victory with a ''huge'' number of enemy prisoners after the rest had been slaughtered by enemy fire, York immediately got a huge hero's treatment Stateside, which he complained against and tried to deny. Books were written making his exploits completely fantastic, and movies did the same, such as one of the earliest showing him charge an enemy position with a pistol single-handedly and killing a few dozen German soldiers, which he himself said ''never happened'' [note] What actually happened was that he ran out of ammo for his Enfield 1917 rifle during a tense firefight and switched to his 1911 to defend himself.[/note] It should also be noted that York was a pacifist who openly felt remorse for German soldiers he had killed and prayed for the dead Germans when he returned to the site of his feat.

to:

* Sergeant Alvin C. York of the U.S. Army got this treatment, which he openly lampshaded, once he returned from UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Famed for leading a small contingent of soldiers to victory with a ''huge'' number of enemy prisoners after the rest had been slaughtered by enemy fire, York immediately got a huge hero's treatment Stateside, which he complained against and tried to deny. Books were written making his exploits completely fantastic, and movies did the same, such as one of the earliest showing him charge an enemy position with a pistol single-handedly and killing a few dozen German soldiers, which he himself said ''never happened'' [note] [[note]] What actually happened was that he ran out of ammo for his Enfield 1917 rifle during a tense firefight and switched to his 1911 to defend himself.[/note] [[/note]] It should also be noted that York was a pacifist who openly felt remorse for German soldiers he had killed and prayed for the dead Germans when he returned to the site of his feat.
5th May '16 2:24:48 AM TheWildWestPyro
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Alvin C. York of the U.S. Army got this treatment, which he openly lampshaded, once he returned from UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Famed for leading a small contingent of soldiers to victory after the rest had been slaughtered by enemy fire, York immediately got a huge hero's treatment Stateside, which he complained against and tried to deny. Books were written making his exploits completely fantastic, and movies did the same, such as one of the earliest showing him charge an enemy position with a pistol single-handedly and killing a few dozen German soldiers, which he himself said ''never happened''.

to:

* Sergeant Alvin C. York of the U.S. Army got this treatment, which he openly lampshaded, once he returned from UsefulNotes/WorldWarI. Famed for leading a small contingent of soldiers to victory with a ''huge'' number of enemy prisoners after the rest had been slaughtered by enemy fire, York immediately got a huge hero's treatment Stateside, which he complained against and tried to deny. Books were written making his exploits completely fantastic, and movies did the same, such as one of the earliest showing him charge an enemy position with a pistol single-handedly and killing a few dozen German soldiers, which he himself said ''never happened''.happened'' [note] What actually happened was that he ran out of ammo for his Enfield 1917 rifle during a tense firefight and switched to his 1911 to defend himself.[/note] It should also be noted that York was a pacifist who openly felt remorse for German soldiers he had killed and prayed for the dead Germans when he returned to the site of his feat.
30th Apr '16 8:59:28 PM HamburgerTime
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Vladimir I of Kiev, a Russian ruler credited with bringing Christianity to the country, is venerated as a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church, and as one of Russia's best early leaders in general. He was also an extremely [[DomesticAbuse abusive husband]] even for his time, was involved in the murder of one of his brothers, and became Christian more because it was the most politically and militarily convenient thing to do at the time than genuine faith.

to:

* Vladimir I of Kiev, a Russian ruler credited with bringing Christianity to the country, is venerated as a saint in the Russian Orthodox Church, Church and as one of Russia's best early leaders in general. He was also an extremely [[DomesticAbuse abusive husband]] even for his time, was involved in the murder of one of his brothers, and became Christian more because it was the most politically and militarily convenient thing to do at the time than genuine faith.faith.
* Richard I of England, also known as "The Lionheart," is often held up as an ideal British monarch, second only to KingArthur himself; he is perhaps best known in modern popular culture as the BigGood of the RobinHood legend. The real Richard actually hated the English, as he was of French descent and believed his heritage to be superior to that of the commoners he ruled. He spoke very little English and liked it that way. In addition, he despised Jews and Muslims and was an enthusiastic participant in [[UsefulNotes/TheCrusades the bloody campaigns against them in the Middle East]]. Many historians believe he was a rapist as well. In fact, it is now commonly speculated that he was an unpopular ruler during his lifetime (his warmongering was really bad for the economy) but received a quick HistoricalHeroUpgrade after his death once his brother and successor [[BadKingJohn John]] turned out to be even worse.
16th Apr '16 1:48:16 AM TheOneWhoTropes
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The Creator/GKChesterton poem "Lepanto" pumps up Don Juan of Austria ("The Last Knight of Europe") from Christian military hero to saviour of the western world from the hordes of darkness and its own political corruption... until the last verses where Chesterton talks about [[HeyItsThatGuy the other famous guy who was at the battle and the kind of book he wrote]] seem to subvert the trope. You can also visit UsefulNotes/BattleOfLepanto and see the entry under DudeWheresMyReward:

to:

* The Creator/GKChesterton poem "Lepanto" pumps up Don Juan of Austria ("The Last Knight of Europe") from Christian military hero to saviour of the western world from the hordes of darkness and its own political corruption... until the last verses where Chesterton talks about [[HeyItsThatGuy the other famous guy who was at the battle and the kind of book he wrote]] wrote seem to subvert the trope. You can also visit UsefulNotes/BattleOfLepanto and see the entry under DudeWheresMyReward:
21st Mar '16 5:33:22 PM Kadorhal
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Lorenzo de'Medici is portrayed as being a devout republican and a benevolent ruler. In reality, like all the noble families in the Italian city-states, the Medicis were Machiavellian schemers who committed all sorts of immoral acts to maintain their power. At least it's shown in ''Lineage'' short how Lorenzo brutally tortures an agent of his enemies for information, and in ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Brotherhood]]'' Lucrezia Borgia claims, probably truthfully that he quashes the families of his rivals utterly, even those who had nothing to do with the plots against him.

to:

** Lorenzo de'Medici is portrayed as being a devout republican and a benevolent ruler. In reality, like all the noble families in the Italian city-states, the Medicis were Machiavellian schemers who committed all sorts of immoral acts to maintain their power. At least it's shown in the ''Lineage'' short how Lorenzo brutally tortures an agent of his enemies for information, and in ''[[VideoGame/AssassinsCreedBrotherhood Brotherhood]]'' Lucrezia Borgia claims, probably truthfully that he quashes the families of his rivals utterly, even those who had nothing to do with the plots against him.



** According to some fan-theories, the events of the games are filtered through Altair and Ezio's impressions of them. Such as the way beggars in AC 1 would bother Altair and ''only'' Altair.

to:

** According to some fan-theories, the events of the games are filtered through Altair and Ezio's impressions of them. Such as the way beggars in AC 1 the first game would bother Altair and ''only'' Altair.



* ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps2'' gives one to Angolan rebel leader Jonas Savimbi. In the game, he's a gregarious and enthusiastic player ally who rides into battle at the head of his army and even pulls off a spectacular GunshipRescue at the end of the mission he's featured in. In real life, he was a war criminal who massacred civilians, funded his army by selling conflict diamonds, accepted military aid from apartheid South Africa, ran the territories he controlled like his own personal kingdom, ordered the torture and execution of his own men if he suspected them of betrayal, and re-started the civil war twice after previously agreeing to ceasefires because he didn't win the post-war elections (it took his death in battle with government troops to finally bring the war to an end).

to:

* ''VideoGame/CallOfDutyBlackOps2'' gives one to Angolan rebel leader Jonas Savimbi. In the game, he's a gregarious and enthusiastic player ally who rides into battle at the head of his army and even pulls off a spectacular GunshipRescue at the end of the mission he's featured in. In real life, while he was known for his charisma and his courage (having a reputation for leading from the front lines as he does in the game), he was also a war criminal who massacred civilians, funded his army by selling conflict diamonds, accepted military aid from apartheid South Africa, ran the territories he controlled like his own personal kingdom, ordered the torture and execution of his own men if he suspected them had even the slightest suspicion of betrayal, and re-started the civil war twice ''twice'' after previously agreeing to ceasefires because he didn't win the post-war elections (it - it took his death in battle with government troops in February 2002, a full sixteen years after the in-game level he's featured in, to finally bring the war to an end).end.



** One example that stands out, though, is UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. In RealLife a mass-murdering megalomaniac who became the TokenEvilTeammate for the Allies only after his VillainTeamUp with UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler ended in a German invasion of Russia, his appearance in the show is limited to a small role and passing mention as one of the leaders of UsefulNotes/WorldWar2, and painting him, UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt as Best Friends Forever rather than reluctant allies- in RealLife, roughly speaking, Churchill was annoyed with Roosevelt and increasingly worried about Stalin; Roosevelt was annoyed with Churchill and rather naively trusted Stalin; and Stalin liked both of them and [[ManipulativeBastard enjoyed manipulating them even more]]. In the show, Stalin and Roosevelt decide to forgo clothes and become nudists upon prompting from Churchill. Of course, this is ''Time Squad'' - the show where UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi is tap-dancing in a far-future space station's prison cell because he refuses to stop doing that and start with the whole Indian independence movement - so historical accuracy is not a priority.

to:

** One example that stands out, though, is UsefulNotes/JosefStalin. In RealLife a mass-murdering megalomaniac who became the TokenEvilTeammate for the Allies only after his VillainTeamUp with UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler ended in a German invasion of Russia, his appearance in the show is limited to a small role and passing mention as one of the leaders of UsefulNotes/WorldWar2, UsefulNotes/WorldWarII, and painting him, UsefulNotes/WinstonChurchill and UsefulNotes/FranklinDRoosevelt as Best Friends Forever rather than reluctant allies- allies - in RealLife, roughly speaking, Churchill was annoyed with Roosevelt and increasingly worried about Stalin; Roosevelt was annoyed with Churchill and rather naively trusted Stalin; and Stalin liked both of them and [[ManipulativeBastard enjoyed manipulating them even more]]. In the show, Stalin and Roosevelt decide to forgo clothes and become nudists upon prompting from Churchill. Of course, this is ''Time Squad'' - the show where UsefulNotes/MahatmaGandhi is tap-dancing in a far-future space station's prison cell because he refuses to stop doing that and start with the whole Indian independence movement - so historical accuracy is not a priority.
21st Mar '16 10:21:14 AM Morgenthaler
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Jim Garrison is depicted in Oliver Stone's ''Film/{{JFK}}'' as a fearless crusader for the truth, driven by a deep sense of devotion to the slain president and a desire to bring justice to his assassins. The real life Garrison is considered by just about every objective historian to have been either a completely delusion paranoid or a shallow opportunist. He intimidated witnesses, suborned perjury and based his case against Clay Shaw on homophobia.

to:

* Jim Garrison is depicted in Oliver Stone's ''Film/{{JFK}}'' as a fearless crusader for the truth, driven by a deep sense of devotion to the slain president and a desire to bring justice to his assassins. The real life Garrison is considered by just about every objective historian to have been either a completely delusion delusional paranoid or a shallow opportunist. He intimidated witnesses, suborned perjury and based his case against Clay Shaw on homophobia.
2nd Mar '16 10:36:58 PM xXD347HXx
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* UsefulNotes/DateMasamune is played like this in many works. In real life, he may as well be categorized with UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga; he killed his brother to rise to power (his nagging mother constantly opposed him and promoted his brother for clan leader) and betrayed the alliance with the other clans without much discussion (and conquering them). He also showed little respect to Hideyoshi when he was called to join the attack on Odawara (and late to come to boot!). But in ''Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo,'' he ends up becoming Kyo's ally, though he may be rude and brash (aka Bontenmaru). And in ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'', he becomes the {{Badass}} JerkWithAHeartOfGold hero with a somewhat charming personality and several PetTheDog moments (seen with [[BattleButler Kojuurou]] and [[MoralityPet Itsuki]], or [[AllThereInTheManual in the Drama CD]], [[TheWoobie Oichi]]) And in ''LightNovel/TheAmbitionOfOdaNobuna'', ''[[GenderFlip she]]'' is a [[BoisterousBruiser Boisterous]] [[CuteBruiser]] and LargeHam who's an ally of the heroes. This one is averted in Koei's Warriors series. In ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 2'', he comes off as a jerk, but hides a lot of ambitions that are beneficial for Japan. But in ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', he becomes Orochi's henchman and is pretty much loyal to him and has no qualms on bringing chaos into the world.

to:

* UsefulNotes/DateMasamune is played like this in many works. In real life, he may as well be categorized with UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga; he killed his brother to rise to power (his nagging mother constantly opposed him and promoted his brother for clan leader) and betrayed the alliance with the other clans without much discussion (and conquering them). He also showed little respect to Hideyoshi when he was called to join the attack on Odawara (and late to come to boot!). But in ''Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo,'' he ends up becoming Kyo's ally, though he may be rude and brash (aka Bontenmaru). And in ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'', he becomes the {{Badass}} JerkWithAHeartOfGold hero with a somewhat charming personality and several PetTheDog moments (seen with [[BattleButler Kojuurou]] and [[MoralityPet Itsuki]], or [[AllThereInTheManual in the Drama CD]], [[TheWoobie Oichi]]) And in ''LightNovel/TheAmbitionOfOdaNobuna'', ''[[GenderFlip she]]'' is a [[BoisterousBruiser Boisterous]] [[CuteBruiser]] and LargeHam who's an ally of the heroes. This one is averted in Koei's Warriors series. In ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 2'', ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors'', he comes off as a jerk, but hides a lot of ambitions that are beneficial for Japan. But in ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', he becomes Orochi's henchman and is pretty much loyal to him and has no qualms on bringing chaos into the world.
2nd Mar '16 10:34:06 PM xXD347HXx
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* UsefulNotes/DateMasamune is played like this in many works. In real life, he may as well be categorized with UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga; he killed his brother to rise to power (his nagging mother constantly opposed him and promoted his brother for clan leader) and betrayed the alliance with the other clans without much discussion (and conquering them). He also showed little respect to Hideyoshi when he was called to join the attack on Odawara (and late to come to boot!). But in ''Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo,'' he ends up becoming Kyo's ally, though he may be rude and brash (aka Bontenmaru). And in ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'', he becomes the {{Badass}} JerkWithAHeartOfGold hero with a somewhat charming personality and several PetTheDog moments (seen with [[BattleButler Kojuurou]] and [[MoralityPet Itsuki]], or [[AllThereInTheManual in the Drama CD]], [[TheWoobie Oichi]]) And in ''LightNovel/TheAmbitionOfOdaNobuna'', ''[[GenderFlip she]]'' is a [[BoisterousBruiser Boisterous]] [[CuteBruiser]] and LargeHam who's an ally of the heroes. This one is averted in Koei's Warriors series. In ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 2'', he comes off as a jerk, but hides a lot of ambitions that are beneficial for Japan. But in ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', he becomes Orochi's henchman and is pretty much loyal to him and has no qualms on bringing chaos into the world. Maybe that's his true nature.

to:

* UsefulNotes/DateMasamune is played like this in many works. In real life, he may as well be categorized with UsefulNotes/OdaNobunaga; he killed his brother to rise to power (his nagging mother constantly opposed him and promoted his brother for clan leader) and betrayed the alliance with the other clans without much discussion (and conquering them). He also showed little respect to Hideyoshi when he was called to join the attack on Odawara (and late to come to boot!). But in ''Manga/SamuraiDeeperKyo,'' he ends up becoming Kyo's ally, though he may be rude and brash (aka Bontenmaru). And in ''VideoGame/SengokuBasara'', he becomes the {{Badass}} JerkWithAHeartOfGold hero with a somewhat charming personality and several PetTheDog moments (seen with [[BattleButler Kojuurou]] and [[MoralityPet Itsuki]], or [[AllThereInTheManual in the Drama CD]], [[TheWoobie Oichi]]) And in ''LightNovel/TheAmbitionOfOdaNobuna'', ''[[GenderFlip she]]'' is a [[BoisterousBruiser Boisterous]] [[CuteBruiser]] and LargeHam who's an ally of the heroes. This one is averted in Koei's Warriors series. In ''VideoGame/SamuraiWarriors 2'', he comes off as a jerk, but hides a lot of ambitions that are beneficial for Japan. But in ''VideoGame/WarriorsOrochi'', he becomes Orochi's henchman and is pretty much loyal to him and has no qualms on bringing chaos into the world. Maybe that's his true nature.
This list shows the last 10 events of 707. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.HistoricalHeroUpgrade