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2nd Sep '17 5:48:27 AM cherrychels
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** Unconfirmed, but a ''very'' popular [[WildMassGuessing fan theory]] holds that [[spoiler: Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. If true, he could make a very strong claim to the throne as well.[[note]]According to Targaryen succession law, women come after any males of Targaryen descent. Which means that, assuming that rule applies to bastards, Jon Snow has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys.[[/note]]]]

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** Unconfirmed, but a ''very'' popular [[WildMassGuessing fan theory]] holds that [[spoiler: Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. If true, he could make a very strong claim to the throne as well.[[note]]According to Targaryen succession law, women come after any males of Targaryen descent. Which means that, assuming that rule applies to bastards, illegitimate children if Jon Snow has ends up not being the legitimate son of Rhaegar and Lyanna, he may still hold a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys.[[/note]]]]



*** After [[spoiler:the death of King in the North Robb Stark with no known children]], his brothers Bran Stark, Rickon Stark (thought dead) and Jon [[spoiler: Stark (formerly Jon]] Snow, [[spoiler: legitimized by royal decree]] are hidden backup princes. [[spoiler:Bran is travelling North of the Wall and looks unlikely to ever return as he is becoming a greenseer. However his youngest sibling Rickon is in hiding in the North and some of the Northern nobility are planning to restore him to rule of Winterfell.]]
*** Meanwhile, Theon Grejoy is a hidden backup prince [[spoiler: after his father King of the Iron Isles Balon Greyjoy dies and, Theon being presumed dead, his uncle Euron takes over. Though since Theon is missing some... [[GroinAttack important pieces]], someone else is needed to continue the line.]]
*** Lord of the Dreadfort Roose Bolton's bastard son Ramsay Snow invokes this by murdering his true-born half-brother. Roose isn't fooled for an instant, but arranges to have Ramsay legitimized anyway rather than father an heir on his third wife and risk his house being subject to misrule by [[AChildShallLeadThem a child lord]] or a RegentForLife.

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*** After [[spoiler:the death of King in the North Robb Stark with Stark, Robb has no known children]], his children]]. His brothers Bran Stark, Rickon Stark (thought dead) and Jon [[spoiler: Stark (formerly Jon]] Snow, [[spoiler: legitimized by royal decree]] decree]], are hidden backup princes. [[spoiler:Bran is travelling North of [[spoiler:Rickon, the Wall and looks unlikely to ever return as he last known trueborn Stark, is becoming a greenseer. However his youngest sibling Rickon is currently in hiding in the North and some of the Northern nobility are planning to restore try and place him as Lord of Winterfell. Additionally, a collection of [[WildMassGuessing popular fan theories]] known as [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ayYb4gk308M 'The Northern Conspiracy']] theorizes that in the quest to rule reinstate a Stark as their lord, a faction of Winterfell.Robb's loyal bannermen who are aware of Jon's legitimization are also trying to install Jon as their lord.]]
*** Meanwhile, Theon Grejoy is a hidden backup prince [[spoiler: after [[spoiler:after his father father, King of the Iron Isles Balon Greyjoy dies and, Greyjoy, dies. Since Theon being is presumed dead, his uncle Euron takes over. Though since However, becasue Theon is missing some... [[GroinAttack important pieces]], pieces]]... someone else is needed to continue the line.]]
*** Lord of the Dreadfort Roose Bolton's bastard son Ramsay Snow invokes this by murdering his true-born trueborn half-brother. Roose isn't fooled for an instant, but arranges to have Ramsay legitimized anyway rather than father an heir on his third wife and risk his house being subject to misrule by [[AChildShallLeadThem a child lord]] or a RegentForLife.



* Like the novels it's based on, ''Series/GameOfThrones'' features this, although since the show is a PragmaticAdaptation of the books there aren't nearly as many:

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* Like the novels it's based on, ''Series/GameOfThrones'' features this, although since the show is a PragmaticAdaptation of the books books, there aren't nearly as many:many examples:



** Bran and Rickon Stark could be considered this, since most people assume that Theon Greyjoy killed both of them when he took over Winterfell. However, when the Boltons take Winterfell, [[BastardBastard Ramsay Bolton]] is GenreSavvy enough to know this and [[spoiler:kills Rickon after holding him hostage.]] Meanwhile, most are unaware Bran is still alive. When Bran [[spoiler:returns to Winterfell in season 7, Sansa remarks that he can inherit the title of Lord of Winterfell as the last trueborn male Stark, but he rejects the position.]]

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** Bran and Rickon Stark could be considered this, since most people assume believe that Theon Greyjoy killed both of them (as Theon himself publicly claimed) when he took over Winterfell. However, when the Boltons take Winterfell, [[BastardBastard Ramsay Bolton]] is GenreSavvy enough to know this and [[spoiler:kills Rickon after holding him hostage.]] Meanwhile, most are unaware Bran is still alive. When Bran [[spoiler:returns to Winterfell in season 7, Sansa remarks that he can inherit the title of Lord of Winterfell as the last trueborn male Stark, but he rejects the position.]]
2nd Sep '17 5:27:30 AM cherrychels
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** [[spoiler: Robert Baratheon, like his book counterpart, has many illegitimate children, but his heir Joffrey has most of them killed when he ascends to the throne after Robert's death. However, one of them, Gendry, is still alive as of season 7.]]
** [[spoiler: Bran and Rickon Stark could be considered this, since most people assume that Theon Greyjoy killed both of them when he took over Winterfell, and after the Boltons take over. However, Ramsay Bolton is GenreSavvy enough to know this and kills Rickon after holding him hostage (and, as far as anyone knows, Bran is dead). When he returns to Winterfell in season 7, Sansa remarks that he technically should be the Lord of Winterfell (as the last legitimate Stark heir), but he rejects the offer.]]
** [[spoiler: Jon Snow could be considered this trope in two ways: despite being Ned Stark's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] as far as anyone knows, at the end of season 6, Jon is his only known living son and ends up being chosen as King of the North, even though he spent years in the Night's Watch at the Wall. Additionally, the show confirms the fan theory that Jon is secretly the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, thus making him the ''last male Targaryen left in Westeros'' so a Backup Prince for the Iron Throne as well. The end of season 7 reveals that Rhaegar had his marriage with Elia Martell annulled and married Lyanna in secret thus making Jon, otherwise known as Aegon Targaryen, the true rightful heir to the Iron Throne over even his own aunt Daenerys Targaryen.]]

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** [[spoiler: Robert Baratheon, like his book counterpart, has many illegitimate children, but his heir Joffrey has most of them killed when he ascends to the throne after Robert's death. However, one of them, Gendry, is [[spoiler:is still alive as of season 7.]]
** [[spoiler: Bran and Rickon Stark could be considered this, since most people assume that Theon Greyjoy killed both of them when he took over Winterfell, and after Winterfell. However, when the Boltons take over. However, Winterfell, [[BastardBastard Ramsay Bolton Bolton]] is GenreSavvy enough to know this and kills [[spoiler:kills Rickon after holding him hostage (and, as far as anyone knows, hostage.]] Meanwhile, most are unaware Bran is dead). still alive. When he returns Bran [[spoiler:returns to Winterfell in season 7, Sansa remarks that he technically should be can inherit the title of Lord of Winterfell (as as the last legitimate Stark heir), trueborn male Stark, but he rejects the offer.position.]]
** [[spoiler: Jon Snow could be is considered this trope in two ways: despite [[spoiler:despite being Ned Stark's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] as far as anyone knows, Jon is the last known male Stark in-universe and is named as the King in the North at the end of season 6, Jon is his only known living son and ends up being chosen as King of the North, even though he spent years in the Night's Watch at the Wall. Season 6. Additionally, the show confirms the fan theory that Jon is secretly the hidden son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, thus making him the ''last male Targaryen left in Westeros'' so a Backup Prince for the Iron Throne as well. The of the Seven Kingdoms. To save Jon's life from the fatal wrath of the Baratheon regime since Jon is a legitimate heir to the Iron Throne[[note]]The end of season Season 7 reveals that Rhaegar had his marriage with to Elia Martell annulled and he married Lyanna in secret secret, thus making Jon, otherwise known as Jon -- birth name Aegon Targaryen, Targaryen -- currently the true rightful heir to the Iron Throne over even his own aunt Throne, ahead of Daenerys Targaryen.Targaryen in the line of succession.[[/note]], Ned claims his [[FamilyRelationshipSwitcheroo nephew Jon as his own illegitimate son]], raises and loves him as his own alongside his other children, and [[TheGreatestStoryNeverTold spends the rest of his life keeping this secret to protect Jon]].]]
2nd Sep '17 4:57:37 AM bleach246
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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow could be considered this trope in two ways: despite being Ned Stark's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] as far as anyone knows, at the end of season 6, Jon is his only known living son and ends up being chosen as King of the North, even though he spent years in the Night's Watch at the Wall. Additionally, the show confirms the fan theory that Jon is secretly the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, thus making him the ''last male Targaryen left in Westeros'' so a Backup Prince for the Iron Throne as well.]]

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** [[spoiler: Jon Snow could be considered this trope in two ways: despite being Ned Stark's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] as far as anyone knows, at the end of season 6, Jon is his only known living son and ends up being chosen as King of the North, even though he spent years in the Night's Watch at the Wall. Additionally, the show confirms the fan theory that Jon is secretly the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, thus making him the ''last male Targaryen left in Westeros'' so a Backup Prince for the Iron Throne as well. The end of season 7 reveals that Rhaegar had his marriage with Elia Martell annulled and married Lyanna in secret thus making Jon, otherwise known as Aegon Targaryen, the true rightful heir to the Iron Throne over even his own aunt Daenerys Targaryen.]]
26th Aug '17 3:28:50 PM wuggles
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** [[spoiler: Robert Baratheon, like his book counterpart, has many illegitimate children, but his heir Joffrey has most of them killed when he ascends to the throne after Robert's death.]]
** [[spoiler: Bran and Rickon Stark could be considered this, since most people assume that Theon Greyjoy killed both of them when he took over Winterfell, and after the Boltons take over. However, Ramsay Bolton is GenreSavvy enough to know this and kills Rickon after holding him hostage (and, as far as anyone knows, Bran is dead).]]
** [[spoiler: Jon Snow could be considered this trope in two ways: despite being Ned Stark's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] as far as anyone knows, at the end of season 6, Jon is his only living son and ends up being chosen as King of the North, even though he spent years in the Night's Watch at the Wall. Additionally, the show confirms the fan theory that Jon is secretly the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, thus making him the ''last male Targaryen left in Westeros'' so a Backup Prince for the Iron Throne as well.]]

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** [[spoiler: Robert Baratheon, like his book counterpart, has many illegitimate children, but his heir Joffrey has most of them killed when he ascends to the throne after Robert's death. However, one of them, Gendry, is still alive as of season 7.]]
** [[spoiler: Bran and Rickon Stark could be considered this, since most people assume that Theon Greyjoy killed both of them when he took over Winterfell, and after the Boltons take over. However, Ramsay Bolton is GenreSavvy enough to know this and kills Rickon after holding him hostage (and, as far as anyone knows, Bran is dead). When he returns to Winterfell in season 7, Sansa remarks that he technically should be the Lord of Winterfell (as the last legitimate Stark heir), but he rejects the offer.]]
** [[spoiler: Jon Snow could be considered this trope in two ways: despite being Ned Stark's [[HeroicBastard illegitimate son]] as far as anyone knows, at the end of season 6, Jon is his only known living son and ends up being chosen as King of the North, even though he spent years in the Night's Watch at the Wall. Additionally, the show confirms the fan theory that Jon is secretly the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen, thus making him the ''last male Targaryen left in Westeros'' so a Backup Prince for the Iron Throne as well.]]
13th Aug '17 2:30:53 PM RoninMacbeth
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** Unconfirmed, but a ''very'' popular [[WildMassGuessing fan theory]] holds that [[spoiler: Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. If true, he could make a very strong claim to the throne as well.]]

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** Unconfirmed, but a ''very'' popular [[WildMassGuessing fan theory]] holds that [[spoiler: Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. If true, he could make a very strong claim to the throne as well.]][[note]]According to Targaryen succession law, women come after any males of Targaryen descent. Which means that, assuming that rule applies to bastards, Jon Snow has a stronger claim to the throne than Daenerys.[[/note]]]]
13th Aug '17 2:23:31 PM RoninMacbeth
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** Unconfirmed, but a ''very'' popular [[WildMassGuessing fan theory]] holds that [[spoiler: Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. If true, he could make a claim to the throne as well.]]

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** Unconfirmed, but a ''very'' popular [[WildMassGuessing fan theory]] holds that [[spoiler: Jon Snow is actually the son of Lyanna Stark, Ned Stark's sister, and Prince Rhaegar Targaryen. If true, he could make a very strong claim to the throne as well.]]
18th Jul '17 1:03:40 AM Nevareh
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* A large fraction of the plot of ''Videogame/TacticsOgre'' revolves around King Dorgalua's succession, as he died [[spoiler: well, got sucked into a Chaos Gate and was remade into some kind of semidivine god-thing that only popped up when the Gate got re-opened, but disappeared in any case]] without issue, his wife and son having predeceased him. Thankfully, one of the queen's handmaidens bore him a child in secret: [[spoiler: the girl raised as the daughter of Prancet Morne, himself taking the name Pavel to hide his connection to Brantyn Morne, Regent of Valeria; she is otherwise known as [[TheHero Denam's]] sister Caitua.]] Discovering this fact sends [[spoiler: Caitua]] into a HeroicBSOD for one of a variety of possible reasons, all of them having to do with how TheHero interacted with her and what route through the story he took. [[spoiler: She]] only snaps out of it if given the correct dialogue choices, which can vary based on further decisions made by TheHero; otherwise [[spoiler:she]] is DrivenToSuicide for similarly varying reasons.
9th Jul '17 3:33:56 PM MarkLungo
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* In ''Anime/Acca13TerritoryInspectionDept'', [[spoiler: Jean Otus]] is revealed to be this - which the kingdom badly needs, because [[RoyalBrat no one likes Prince Schwan]]. [[spoiler:Jean's mother, the second princess, faked her death to be with her love, but some people did keep tabs on her and her children]].

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* In ''Anime/Acca13TerritoryInspectionDept'', ''Manga/Acca13TerritoryInspectionDept'', [[spoiler: Jean Otus]] is revealed to be this - which the kingdom badly needs, because [[RoyalBrat no one likes Prince Schwan]]. [[spoiler:Jean's mother, the second princess, [[FakingTheDead faked her death death]] to be with her love, but some people did keep tabs on her and her children]].



* ''Anime/SpacePirateMito'' cites ''preventing'' her son from becoming the hidden backup prince as her primary reason for hiding him in the first place. (It didn't work.) She would have been perfectly happy to allow the usurper to continue ruling the galaxy if he'd just left her boy alone.

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* ''Anime/SpacePirateMito'' cites ''preventing'' her son from becoming the hidden backup prince as her primary reason for hiding him in the first place. (It didn't doesn't work.) She would have been perfectly happy to allow the usurper to continue ruling the galaxy if he'd just left her boy alone.
7th Jun '17 4:58:18 AM OldBen
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** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden'' and its remake ''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'', this is what [[spoiler: Celica aka Princess Anteze of Zofia]] turns out to actually be.

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** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden'' and its remake ''Echoes: Shadows of Valentia'', this is what [[spoiler: Celica aka Princess Anteze Anthiese of Zofia]] turns out to actually be.
6th Jun '17 9:10:44 AM Kafkesque
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* [[UsefulNotes/TheHouseOfHanover George I]] was head of state for a duchy/electorate in the Holy Roman Empire with only a distant family connection to [[UsefulNotes/JamesTheFirst James I]] through his mother... and then Parliament passed the Act of Settlement, disqualifying Catholics from taking the throne and removing no less than ''56'' people from the line of succession who had been ahead of George.[[note]]Though he didn't actually take the throne until about 13 years after the Act was passed due to it being occupied at the time.[[/note]]
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