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15th Aug '16 2:31:55 PM Theriocephalus
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* ''FanFic/TheThreeKingsHunt'' the author has said that at the time of Camelot around 3 in 10 of the human population had some form of magical power. Needless to say this is no longer the case due [[spoiler: to the genocide against the mages]]. These days the mage population is probably in the hundreds of thousands, with the wizard population in the low millions and the non-magicals outnumbering both by a lot.

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* ''FanFic/TheThreeKingsHunt'' the ''FanFic/TheThreeKingsHunt'': The author has said that at the time of Camelot around 3 in 10 of the human population had some form of magical power. Needless to say this is no longer the case due [[spoiler: to the genocide against the mages]]. These days the mage population is probably in the hundreds of thousands, with the wizard population in the low millions and the non-magicals outnumbering both by a lot.



* Subverted In Dragon Slippers. Creel is convinced that dragons have been extinct for decades, as no one has seen one in living memory. Because of this, she's not too troubled by her aunt 'sacrificing' her to a dragon, as it means she can go off to seek her fortune.... until she's promptly carried away. Oops.
* Robert E. Howard's original ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian'' stories are said to have taken place in Earth's prehistory.
* Creator/JRRTolkien's letters indicated that the same was true of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.
** The effect actually happens within ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''; at the time of the War of the Ring the magic was almost completely faded from the world. For a random example, at one point there were so many Balrogs they had their own army instead of only one, and the current dark lord is only a pale imitation of the old one, who was order of magnitude stronger still.
** Tolkien retconned the purpose of the quest in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' to be Gandalf's move to deny Sauron a weapon of mass destruction by making this literally true.

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* Subverted In Dragon Slippers.in ''Literature/DragonSlippers''. Creel is convinced that dragons have been extinct for decades, as no one has seen one in living memory. Because of this, she's not too troubled by her aunt 'sacrificing' her to a dragon, as it means she can go off to seek her fortune....fortune... until she's promptly carried away. Oops.
* Robert E. Howard's original ''Franchise/ConanTheBarbarian'' stories are said to have taken place in Earth's prehistory.
prehistory, when magic, monsters and godlike beings were still active forces in the world.
* One of the main themes in Creator/JRRTolkien's works, although itís most obvious in ''Literature/TheSilmarillion''. In fact, it is implied in some of Tolkien's letters indicated that Middle Earth is our own world (specifically Europe and northern Africa) in the same was true of ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''.
very distant past, with the implication being that all the fantastic creatures and magic were lost over time.
** The This effect actually happens is still quite visible within ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings''; at the time of the War of the Ring the magic was had almost completely faded from the world. For a random example, at one point there were so many Balrogs they had their own army instead of only one, and example the current dark lord is only a pale imitation of the old one, who was an order of magnitude stronger still.
than he was, and his Ringwraiths are only shadows of the terror of his masterís Balrogs, which used to be a much more powerful force in the world than the one survivor squatting under the mountains seen in the books.
** Tolkien retconned the purpose of the quest in ''Literature/TheHobbit'' to be Gandalf's move to deny Sauron a weapon of mass destruction by making this literally true. Smaug was the last great dragon left in Middle Earth (a number of weaker, lesser serpents survived in the far north), and even then he was no true match for the great dragons of the First Age.
** This is very much in effect for the side of good, as well. Elven and dwarven civilization has been in steady decline for a long time, due to the elves leaving Middle Earth for the Undying Lands and the dwarves dwindling due to their raceís low fertility, and their racesí old empires, achievements and glories are lost and wonít be regained. The once widespread [[PlantPerson ents]] have likewise almost completely faded from the world after the loss of their women, with only a small doomed remnant remaining in Fangorn Forest. Middle-Earth is a fantastic and magic-filled land by our standards, but by its own it is a drab, grey and mundane world when compared to its ancient past.



** In the fourth book, it's actually hinted that [[spoiler: The Maesters are actively trying to get rid of magic.]]

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** In the fourth book, it's actually hinted that [[spoiler: The the Maesters are actively trying to get rid of magic.]]



* Played with in ''Literature/TheFirstLaw Trilogy''. There WAS an Age of Wonder, where demons walked amongst men, monsters roamed, and great magic was wrought by the Magi... but that was a long time ago, and as far as the 'civilized' people of [[TheFederation The Union]] knows, may well just be myth and legend. And indeed, they're not entirely wrong - according to Bayaz, First of the Magi, the magic is literally leaking out of the world - and even those that remains of the Magi of old, are slowly growing weaker and weaker. Still, more remains of the old world than most people realize... which could come back to bite a lot of people in the ass. [[IAmAHumanitarian And the rest of their anatomy, for that matter.]] Ultimately, most of the problems that appear has to be solved through mundane means - politics, money, violence, or a combination of those. Attempts to call upon ancient magics or find forgotten artifacts of power tend to either backfire badly, or just fail outright.

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* Played with in ''Literature/TheFirstLaw Trilogy''. There WAS an Age of Wonder, where demons walked amongst men, monsters roamed, and great magic was wrought by the Magi... but that was a long time ago, and as far as the 'civilized' people of [[TheFederation The the Union]] knows, know, it may well just be myth and legend. And indeed, they're not entirely wrong - according to Bayaz, First of the Magi, the magic is literally leaking out of the world - and even those that remains remain of the Magi of old, old are slowly growing weaker and weaker. Still, more remains of the old world than most people realize... which could come back to bite a lot of people in the ass. [[IAmAHumanitarian And the rest of their anatomy, for that matter.]] Ultimately, most of the problems that appear has have to be solved through mundane means - politics, money, violence, or a combination of those.these. Attempts to call upon ancient magics or find forgotten artifacts of power tend to either backfire badly, or just fail outright.



** Though interestingly {{Double Subver|sion}}ted in medieval European chronicles themselves, where they took TheTimeOfMyths to be when the early parts of Literature/TheBible were set, and then there were about 1500 years of no supernatural things (with [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} one exception]]) occurring, during AncientGreece and AncientRome, but ''then''Ö [[TheMagicComesBack there were tales of sorcerers, dragons, and]] [[KnightInShiningArmor Knights In Shining Armor]]Ö which inexplicably disappeared at some unspecified point in the narratives.

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** Though interestingly {{Double Subver|sion}}ted in medieval European chronicles themselves, where they took TheTimeOfMyths to be when the early parts of Literature/TheBible were set, and then there were about 1500 years of no supernatural things (with [[UsefulNotes/{{Christianity}} one exception]]) occurring, during AncientGreece and AncientRome, but ''then''Ö ''then''... [[TheMagicComesBack there were tales of sorcerers, dragons, and]] [[KnightInShiningArmor Knights In Shining Armor]]Ö Armor]]... which inexplicably disappeared at some unspecified point in the narratives.



* ''Earthdawn'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' are two roleplaying games that take place in a world where magic ebbs and flows over the eons. The term "Worlds" is used to distinguish a period when the mana levels are high enough to support magic or nearly nonexistent. ''Earthdawn'' takes place in the Fourth World, when the FiveRaces (and others) are commonplace and magic is a steady trade. The Fifth World is the present day (well, an AlternateHistory version of "the present day" that splits off around 1999), when magic is nearly nonexistent. The Sixth World of ''Shadowrun'' begins in 2012, with the return of dragons, magic, and the FiveRaces.

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* ''Earthdawn'' ''TabletopGame/{{Earthdawn}}'' and ''TabletopGame/{{Shadowrun}}'' are two roleplaying games that take place in a world where magic ebbs and flows over the eons. The term "Worlds" is used to distinguish a period when the mana levels are high enough to support magic or nearly nonexistent. ''Earthdawn'' takes place in the Fourth World, when the FiveRaces (and others) are commonplace and magic is a steady trade. The Fifth World is the present day (well, an AlternateHistory version of "the present day" that splits off around 1999), when magic is nearly nonexistent. The Sixth World of ''Shadowrun'' begins in 2012, with the return of dragons, magic, and the FiveRaces.



* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' seems to have an interesting explanation as to why there are no Greek gods anymore: [[spoiler:[[SociopathicHero Kratos]]]].

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* ''VideoGame/GodOfWar'' seems to have an interesting explanation as to why there are no Greek gods anymore: [[spoiler:[[SociopathicHero Kratos]]]].Kratos]] killed the lot of them]].
19th Jun '16 1:45:54 AM Gamezfan
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** This goes for the age of metal compared to the modern age as well: Eddie comes from our time, and feels out of place in a world where most of the good metal has died. Then he gets transported far into the past, to a world with swords, demons, great beasts, landscapes and '''metal!''' He feels more at home there than he ever did in the 2000's.
15th May '16 8:26:56 PM Anorgil
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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' world, while still plentifully enmagicked, has lost a lot of it since the olden days because of the elves partially sealing the Chaos Rift, greatly decreasing magical potency and also preventing daemons from rampaging across the world.

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* The ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' world, while still plentifully enmagicked, has lost a lot of it since the olden days because of the elves partially sealing creating the Chaos Rift, Vortex on the Isle of the Dead, greatly decreasing magical potency and also preventing daemons from rampaging across the world.world. Incidentally, this may have caused the dragons themselves to fall asleep as well.
2nd Feb '16 2:19:56 PM margdean56
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** The Holy Lance: not the spear of Longuinus, but a lance forged in the 600s around a nail from Christ's crucifixion. Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor, traded a province for it, and he got the better deal; with the Holy Lance borne before them, his army was able to stop the Hungarians' raids into Bavaria and the Rhineland, and secure the peace and stability of Germany.

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** The Holy Lance: not the spear of Longuinus, Longinus, but a lance forged in the 600s around a nail from Christ's crucifixion. Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor, traded a province for it, and he got the better deal; with the Holy Lance borne before them, his army was able to stop the Hungarians' raids into Bavaria and the Rhineland, and secure the peace and stability of Germany.
2nd Feb '16 2:19:32 PM margdean56
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** The Raven Banner. Accounts differ, but many speak of a flag consecrated to Odin, which would give victory to the flag-bearer's army at the cost of the flag-bearer's life. The Great Heathen Army, led by the sons of Ivar the Boneless when they invaded England to avenge their father's treacherous murder, bore such a flag; Harald Hardrada carried a raven banner named Land-Waster, which may have been the same one. At the Battle of Hastings, Land-Waster's magic failed, and the Danes were routed; but before then, the banner worked, for several hundred years (at least according to Tom Holland's magic-realist history, _The Forge of Christendom_).

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** The Raven Banner. Accounts differ, but many speak of a flag consecrated to Odin, which would give victory to the flag-bearer's army at the cost of the flag-bearer's life. The Great Heathen Army, led by the sons of Ivar the Boneless when they invaded England to avenge their father's treacherous murder, bore such a flag; Harald Hardrada carried a raven banner named Land-Waster, which may have been the same one. At the Battle of Hastings, Land-Waster's magic failed, and the Danes were routed; but before then, the banner worked, for several hundred years (at least according to Tom Holland's magic-realist history, _The ''The Forge of Christendom_).Christendom'').
2nd Feb '16 2:16:17 PM margdean56
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* Fritz Leiber's [[Literature/FafhrdAndTheGrayMouser Newhon]] stories are kind of an odd case, since they are set in a different universe, yet have easily indentifiable real-world cultures like the Conan stories, and in at least one story, the characters are explicitly in AncientGreece. (Many years later, while compiling a collected edition of the stories, Leiber wrote a prequel explaining that they were temporarily transported to Earth by their TricksterMentor Ningauble, though [[HandWave remaining vague]] on ''how'' or ''why''.)

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* Fritz Leiber's [[Literature/FafhrdAndTheGrayMouser Newhon]] Nehwon]] stories are kind of an odd case, since they are set in a different universe, yet have easily indentifiable real-world cultures like the Conan stories, and in at least one story, the characters are explicitly in AncientGreece. (Many years later, while compiling a collected edition of the stories, Leiber wrote a prequel explaining that they were temporarily transported to Earth by their TricksterMentor Ningauble, though [[HandWave remaining vague]] on ''how'' or ''why''.)
21st Jan '16 11:09:04 PM OldBlindTrope
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* The Dark Ages were a disconcertingly magical time. Magic didn't work in the Roman Empire, and it didn't work in the Middle Ages either (although medievals were firm believers in astrology), but in the weird, low-population interval between the two, you saw incidents like these:
** The Raven Banner. Accounts differ, but many speak of a flag consecrated to Odin, which would give victory to the flag-bearer's army at the cost of the flag-bearer's life. The Great Heathen Army, led by the sons of Ivar the Boneless when they invaded England to avenge their father's treacherous murder, bore such a flag; Harald Hardrada carried a raven banner named Land-Waster, which may have been the same one. At the Battle of Hastings, Land-Waster's magic failed, and the Danes were routed; but before then, the banner worked, for several hundred years (at least according to Tom Holland's magic-realist history, _The Forge of Christendom_).
** The Holy Lance: not the spear of Longuinus, but a lance forged in the 600s around a nail from Christ's crucifixion. Otto I, Holy Roman Emperor, traded a province for it, and he got the better deal; with the Holy Lance borne before them, his army was able to stop the Hungarians' raids into Bavaria and the Rhineland, and secure the peace and stability of Germany.
10th Jan '16 9:48:28 AM Redmess
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*** Mammoth skulls found in Europe and the Mediterranean during the Iron Age are thought to have given rise to legends of the cyclops.

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*** Mammoth skulls found in Europe and the Mediterranean during the Iron Age are thought to have given rise to legends of the cyclops.cyclops (the large nasal opening for the trunk in the skull was presumably confused for a giant eye socket).
9th Oct '15 6:02:40 PM eroock
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'''Here There Were Dragons''' is the idea that the past was a time when magic was everywhere, as opposed to our boring old mundane present. This isn't a case where magic went underground or adopted some {{Masquerade}} to avoid yet another WitchHunt; no, this is a case where magic has disappeared almost entirely. But, who knows? It could always [[TheMagicComesBack come back around again]] or [[TheDragonsComeBack at least the dragons could]], if there were actual dragons...

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'''Here Here There Were Dragons''' Dragons is the idea that the past was a time when magic was everywhere, as opposed to our boring old mundane present. This isn't a case where magic went underground or adopted some {{Masquerade}} to avoid yet another WitchHunt; no, this is a case where magic has disappeared almost entirely. But, who knows? It could always [[TheMagicComesBack come back around again]] or [[TheDragonsComeBack at least the dragons could]], if there were actual dragons...
4th Sep '15 8:21:49 AM rjung
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** Discussed in the short story "Troll Bridge" -- Cohen the Barbarian encounters a traditionalist troll under a bridge who's still attacking travelers, and moans that his wife is nagging him to get a modern job instead.
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