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21st Apr '18 10:15:35 PM infernape612
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** Averted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. The countries of Ferox and Plegia do not have a dynastic line; Ferox has leaders based on strength and Plegia appears to have an elected monarchy [[spoiler:In Plegia Gangrel became king through trickery and Validar was a priest of the Grimaleal]]. Rosanne appears to be dynastic line, but the only character mentioned is the male Virion. Justified aversion in Ylisse. Emmeryn became Exalt because she was the eldest-- at the age of nine. Her younger brother Chrom does not ascend the throne when he is old enough, [[spoiler:he only does after she dies, and even if you do the Spotpass Paralogue that reveals she's still alive, she's [[TraumaInducedAmnesia no longer in a state where she can rule]]]]. Also averted and justified in the Future Past; only [[spoiler:Lucina]] can become Exalt because [[spoiler:only she can use the Falchion, to kill Grima]], and whether she has a younger brother or not never has any effect on plot.

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** Averted in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemAwakening''. The countries of Ferox and Plegia do not have a dynastic line; Ferox has leaders based on strength and Plegia appears to have an elected monarchy [[spoiler:In Plegia Gangrel ([[spoiler:Gangrel became king through trickery and Validar was a priest of the Grimaleal]]. Grimleal]]). Rosanne appears to be a dynastic line, but the only character mentioned is the male Virion. Justified aversion in Ylisse. Emmeryn became Exalt because she was the eldest-- at the age of nine. Her younger brother Chrom does not ascend the throne when he is old enough, [[spoiler:he only does after she dies, and even if you do the Spotpass Paralogue that reveals she's still alive, she's [[TraumaInducedAmnesia no longer in a state where she can rule]]]]. Also averted and justified in the Future Past; only [[spoiler:Lucina]] can become Exalt because [[spoiler:only she can use the Falchion, Falchion to kill Grima]], and whether she has a younger brother or not never has any effect on plot.
30th Mar '18 11:42:58 PM Arha
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* Subverted in ''LightNovel/DestructionFlagOtome''. When Katarina is eight her family adopts a distant relative to take over the Claes family name, but it's quickly made clear that this isn't because women can't inherit but because she got engaged to a prince, meaning when she gets married she'll need to lose the family name.
16th Mar '18 6:59:31 PM infernape612
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** Tn ''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn). However, this one is justified since [[spoiler:Altena was kidnapped at a young age and raised as a princess of Thracia. Even though Altena ''does'' find out that she's Leif's older sister, the people of Leonster would certainly be very leery of a woman who is for all practical purposes a princess of Leonster's hated enemy taking the throne.]]

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** Tn ''Thracia 776's'' In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemThracia776'''s ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn). However, this one is justified since [[spoiler:Altena was kidnapped at a young age and raised as a princess of Thracia. Even though Altena ''does'' find out that she's Leif's older sister, the people of Leonster would certainly be very leery of a woman who is for all practical purposes a princess of Leonster's hated enemy taking the throne.]]
16th Mar '18 6:59:05 PM infernape612
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* {{Gender inverted|Trope}}: The dual office of Empress and Apostle of Begnion in ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Fire Emblem: Path of Radiance]]'' and ''[[VideoGame/FireEmblemTellius Radiant Dawn]]''. [[spoiler:The two offices are inadvertently separated when the first-born female of the current generation is thought to have been assassinated, leaving an Empress who cannot hear the Goddess's voice. The true apostle isn't dead, though.]]



** The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] games seem to use this trope. It is never used as a focal point, but it's made clear that males are the preferred heirs in several conversations. Main Lord Marth of Akaneia's games is the younger brother of Ellce, yet he's clearly established as the heir of Altea, and the same applies for Yubello of Grust; he has an older sister, Yumina. Meanwhile, in Jugdral's ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', [[spoiler:Manfroy pesters Arvis, the heir apparent of Velthomer, to have a son with his wife Deirdre (stolen away from Sigurd of Chalphy). This is more in line with Manfroy's plan to make a SoulJar for the dark dragon god Loptyr, but since he demands a son, it still applies]]. Also, at the very end, when Seliph is dividing up territories for the rest of his party to rule, if a female is married, then she will go by her husband's side, and he will be the regnant of whatever land he owns, regardless of whether or not the female in question has the right to rule on her own. Finally, in ''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn).
** [[spoiler:Granted, Altenna was kidnapped at a young age and raised as Thracia's princess alongside its heir, Areone, Leif being Leonster's heir could be justified, if it were not for the fact that Altenna ''does'' find out that she's Leif's older sister. Her role and status after the war are left rather ambiguous.]]

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** The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]] ''VideoGame/FireEmblemShadowDragonAndTheBladeOfLight'' and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] games seem to use its sequels play this trope.straight. It is never used as a focal point, but it's made clear that males are the preferred heirs in several conversations. Main Lord Marth of Akaneia's games is the younger brother of Ellce, Elice, yet he's clearly established as the heir of Altea, and the same applies for Yubello Jubelo of Grust; he has an older sister, Yumina. Meanwhile, in Jugdral's ''Genealogy of Yuliya. In addition, Nyna enters a political marriage with Hardin after ''Shadow Dragon'' to put a king on the Holy War'', Archanean throne. That doesn't mean women ''can't'' inherit; both Minerva and Sheena become queens after the previous kings of their countries die without male heirs.
** In ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGenealogyOfTheHolyWar'',
[[spoiler:Manfroy pesters Arvis, the heir apparent of Velthomer, to have a son with his wife Deirdre (stolen away from Sigurd of Chalphy). This is more in line with Manfroy's plan to make a SoulJar for the dark dragon god Loptyr, but since he demands a son, it still applies]]. Also, at the very end, when Seliph is dividing up territories for the rest of his party to rule, if a female is married, then she will go by her husband's side, and he will be the regnant of whatever land he owns, regardless of whether or not the female in question has the right to rule on her own. Finally, in own.
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''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn).
** [[spoiler:Granted, Altenna
Ethlyn). However, this one is justified since [[spoiler:Altena was kidnapped at a young age and raised as Thracia's a princess alongside its heir, Areone, Leif being Leonster's heir could be justified, if it were not for the fact that Altenna of Thracia. Even though Altena ''does'' find out that she's Leif's older sister. Her role sister, the people of Leonster would certainly be very leery of a woman who is for all practical purposes a princess of Leonster's hated enemy taking the throne.]]
** {{Gender inverted|Trope}} by the dual office of Empress
and status after Apostle of Begnion in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemPathOfRadiance'' and ''VideoGame/FireEmblemRadiantDawn''. [[spoiler:The two offices are inadvertently separated when the war are left rather ambiguous.first-born female of the current generation is thought to have been assassinated, leaving an Empress who cannot hear the Goddess's voice. The true apostle isn't dead, though.]]


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** Discussed in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemWarriors'' in Lianna and Leo's support conversation. Leo assumes that Lianna is Aytolis' heir apparent due to her slight age advantage over Rowan, but she informs him that since Rowan is a male and she is not, he still has a legitimate claim to the throne. It's further complicated by the fact that neither sibling actually wants the throne.
13th Mar '18 10:10:04 AM ChronoLegion
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* Averted in ''[[Literature/TheInterdependency The Collapsing Empire]]''. Not only is it perfectly acceptable for a woman to inherit a noble title, the first emperox of the [[TheEmpire Interdependency]] was female (who was also declared a prophet). One of the protagonists is Cardenia Wu-Patrick, the illegitimate daughter of the previous emperox. She was never supposed to rule, but then her half-brother got himself killed in a race, and her father named her as his new successor instead of any number of cousins and nephews. One of the other protagonists (the son of a nobleman) finds out that his father changed his order of succession and named his daughter the heir presumptive instead (this is just to allow his son to leave the planet without much scrutiny).
* Also averted in ''Literature/MasterOfFormalities'', where the ruler of planet Apios is Lady Joanadie Jakabitus. While her husband Frederain is referred to as "Lord Frederain", he is, in fact, only a consort (he doesn't care, his main goal is to raise their son to be a good leader). Even among the brutish Hahn, it's pointed out that Lord Kamar Hahn's son Hennik isn't the heir presumptive, as he has an older sister. But given that his sister Shimlish is also the supreme commander of the Hahn military, it's possible that she could die in battle, leaving Hennik as the heir.
9th Mar '18 8:48:09 AM Discar
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* ''VideoGame/XenobladeChronicles2'': In the backstory, the Empire of Mor Ardain has passed the crown from father to son for its entire history. For the first time ever, there were no male heirs available, so Mòrag was raised to be Empress. Before she could take the throne, her younger brother Niall was born, and he became the heir apparent. Mòrag stepped aside without complaint, but Niall spends much of his time worrying that she could do a better job than him. Of course, it doesn't help that [[AChildShallLeadThem he had to take the throne at a young age]].
3rd Mar '18 10:04:57 AM MajinAkuma
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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'':
** Rishid in the original was adopted by the Ishtars to provide a male heir. Then Ishizu and Marik were born in turn. A particularly potent example: Rishid/Odion desires the position of Tombkeeper more than anything, whilst Marik wants nothing more than to be rid of it.
** Needing a male heir, in particular, a biological one, is the source of much of the trouble related to adopted child Amon in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. Like Rishid, Amon was adopted by the Garams to be their heir after he was abandoned by his biological family and felt he had nothing to live for. Then the Garams have a young son, Shido, who becomes the heir and Amon is expected to essentially do everything in his power to support Shido.

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* ''Anime/YuGiOh'':
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''Anime/YuGiOh'': Rishid in the original was adopted by the Ishtars to provide a male heir. Then Ishizu and Marik were born in turn.turn, and Marik the son was chosen as the official heir. A particularly potent example: Rishid/Odion desires the position of Tombkeeper more than anything, whilst Marik wants nothing more than to be rid of it.
** * Needing a male heir, in particular, a biological one, is the source of much of the trouble related to adopted child Amon in ''Anime/YuGiOhGX''. Like Rishid, Amon was adopted by the Garams to be their heir after he was abandoned by his biological family and felt he had nothing to live for. Then the Garams have a young son, Shido, who becomes the heir and Amon is expected to essentially do everything in his power to support Shido.
8th Feb '18 12:01:03 PM megajake
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* ''Film/TheMummy2017'': Ahmanet was the heir to her father's throne but lost the status as soon as her brother entered the line.

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* ''Film/TheMummy2017'': Ahmanet was the heir to her father's throne but lost the status as soon as her brother entered the line. Instead of taking the path some Egyptian princess took (IE: [[{{Squick}} marrying her brother]]), she decided to turn to [[TakeTheThirdOption murder and necromancy instead]].
28th Jan '18 4:11:15 AM AnotherDuck
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* Absolutely TruthInTelevision throughout most of history, and in much of the world. You were an unfortunate queen if you couldn't bear a son -- if you were lucky, the king wouldn't set you aside. Otherwise, you'd end up divorced, beheaded, poisoned, locked up in a convent, etc. Princesses becoming queens regnant (ruling queens) had all sorts of problems. No one wanted a female ruler, because if she married her kingdom would, most likely, be combined with that of her husband.
26th Jan '18 5:51:43 PM eroock
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* Parodied in [[http://www.theonion.com/content/news/clinton_chastises_hillary_for this article]] in ''Website/TheOnion''.

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* Parodied in [[http://www.[[http://web.archive.org/web/20080313035311/http://www.theonion.com/content/news/clinton_chastises_hillary_for this article]] in ''Website/TheOnion''.
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