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27th Sep '16 10:52:55 AM ChronoLegion
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* In those ''VideoGame/TotalWar'' games, where you have a royal family, only male heirs can inherit. Females can only be married off. However, there is nothing stopping you from adopting an able commander into your family. Some players have even gone so far as to adopt a capable and respected commander and then [[UriahGambit send the inept biological heir to fight an unwinnable battle]]. Thus, the adopted son becomes next in line, and all is well.
27th Sep '16 10:46:53 AM ChronoLegion
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* In the Soviet film ''Film/UnbelievableAdventuresOfItaliansInRussia'', an Italian mafioso has half a dozen daughters and not a single son. Being a traditionalist, he wants a male heir and is desperately hoping that his currently-pregnant wife finally produces one. At the end of the film, he receives the news... it's another girl. He's not happy.
27th Sep '16 10:42:59 AM ChronoLegion
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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'' has a plot related to the entail of the estate, which is a similar issue to the situation in ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'' whereby the daughters cannot inherit and the male heir is somewhat distant to the family (he's the Earl's fifth cousin). Fortunately, the heir-presumptive is a young bachelor of an age where he could marry one of the current Earl's daughters -- particularly the eldest, Lady Mary -- and keep the property and title in the family. [[spoiler:He does -- marrying Mary (who, as it turns out, is [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage perfect for him]]) and producing an heir -- but there's a lot of drama before they get there.]]

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* ''Series/DowntonAbbey'' has a plot related to the entail of the estate, which is a similar issue to the situation in ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'' whereby the daughters cannot inherit and the male heir is somewhat distant to the family (he's the Earl's fifth cousin). Fortunately, the heir-presumptive is a young bachelor of an age where he could marry one of the current Earl's daughters -- particularly the eldest, Lady Mary -- and keep the property and title in the family. [[spoiler:He does -- marrying Mary (who, as it turns out, is [[PerfectlyArrangedMarriage perfect for him]]) and producing an heir -- but there's a lot of drama before they get there.]]]] Previously, Mary was set to marry another cousin, who was to be the heir. Then [[spoiler:the ''Titanic'' sunk with him on board, although a later episode reveals he may have survived]].
19th Sep '16 8:35:35 AM Morgenthaler
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* In Creator/PiersAnthony's ''ASpellForChameleon'', the Magician Trent must marry the Sorceress Iris in order to remain in Literature/{{Xanth}}; this condition is set because only Magicians can rule in Xanth, and in hopes that their powers will ensure that they have a Magician son. In ''The Source of Magic'', the widowed Trent has difficulty ensuring an heir because he's still in love with his first wife; they do succeed, in time, in having a child, but a daughter. Finally, in ''Night Mare'', when Magicians are being removed as soon as they are King, during an invasion, LoopholeAbuse is invoked: the laws of Literature/{{Xanth}} forbid a ruling queen, but [[SheIsTheKing do not explicitly require that kings be male]]. Sorceresses, both Iris and her daughter, ascend the throne as Kings.

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* In Creator/PiersAnthony's ''ASpellForChameleon'', ''Literature/ASpellForChameleon'', the Magician Trent must marry the Sorceress Iris in order to remain in Literature/{{Xanth}}; this condition is set because only Magicians can rule in Xanth, and in hopes that their powers will ensure that they have a Magician son. In ''The Source of Magic'', the widowed Trent has difficulty ensuring an heir because he's still in love with his first wife; they do succeed, in time, in having a child, but a daughter. Finally, in ''Night Mare'', when Magicians are being removed as soon as they are King, during an invasion, LoopholeAbuse is invoked: the laws of Literature/{{Xanth}} forbid a ruling queen, but [[SheIsTheKing do not explicitly require that kings be male]]. Sorceresses, both Iris and her daughter, ascend the throne as Kings.



* The cause of more than a few problems in Creator/RobinHobb's ''[[RealmOfTheElderlings The Farseer]]''. Chivalry, the crown prince, caused a scandal when he married who he wanted instead of for politics, and then she turned out to be [[LawOfInverseFertility too infirm to carry a child to term]]. When word came that Chivalry had a bastard son, Fitz, he stepped down in favor of his brother, Verity. Verity eventually marries but [[spoiler:wrecks his health so much with using the magical Skill that he can't father children]], so Verity [[spoiler:takes over Fitz's body to have sex with his wife in hopes of continuing the royal line, even if through a bastard]], since the Skill is strongest in the royal bloodline and if lost there may die out altogether.

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* The cause of more than a few problems in Creator/RobinHobb's ''[[RealmOfTheElderlings ''[[Literature/RealmOfTheElderlings The Farseer]]''. Chivalry, the crown prince, caused a scandal when he married who he wanted instead of for politics, and then she turned out to be [[LawOfInverseFertility too infirm to carry a child to term]]. When word came that Chivalry had a bastard son, Fitz, he stepped down in favor of his brother, Verity. Verity eventually marries but [[spoiler:wrecks his health so much with using the magical Skill that he can't father children]], so Verity [[spoiler:takes over Fitz's body to have sex with his wife in hopes of continuing the royal line, even if through a bastard]], since the Skill is strongest in the royal bloodline and if lost there may die out altogether.
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* ''Film/MadMaxFuryRoad'': [[BigBad Immortan Joe]] uses women as [[BreedingSlave breeding stock]] to birth children for him in the hopes of eventually getting the perfect male heir to succeed him over his [[DumbMuscle strong but dumb son]], Rictus Erectus, and smart but weak and disabled son, Corpus Colossus. [[spoiler:When his favorite pregnant Wife, Splendid, is dying after being run over]], he demands the Organic Mechanic removes the baby as quickly as possible. When it's shown to be beyond saving he sadly asks if it was a male.
4th Sep '16 5:20:53 PM merotoker
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* The king and queen in "Literature/{{Donkeyskin}}" only had a daughter, and were content with this. But the queen fell ill and died without leaving a male heir, but not before saddling him with the additional restriction that his new wife equal her in beauty and other attributes. Which, after many failed considerations, leads him to the conclusion that his new wife should be [[spoiler:[[ParentalIncest his own daughter]]]]. Because that would be more acceptable than simply [[spoiler:letting her inherit the throne]]. [[spoiler:She manages to escape that situation, and marry a prince, to boot. Thankfully, the prince is not her brother]].

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* The king and queen in "Literature/{{Donkeyskin}}" only had a daughter, and were content with this. But the queen fell ill and died without leaving a male heir, but not before saddling him with the additional restriction that his new wife equal her in beauty and other attributes. Which, after many failed considerations, leads him to the conclusion that his new wife should be [[spoiler:[[ParentalIncest his own daughter]]]]. Because that would be more acceptable than simply [[spoiler:letting her inherit the throne]]. [[spoiler:She throne. She manages to escape that situation, and marry a prince, to boot. Thankfully, the prince is not her brother]].



* In ''Fanfic/IfThemsTheRules'' [[{{Yandere}} Arcturus]] figures it would be okay to kill Marchosias for talking to Harry since Marchosias has a son.
** [[SexlessMarriage This is also the only reason he slept with his wife.]] They only slept together twice in their marriage because their first child was a girl.

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* In ''Fanfic/IfThemsTheRules'' [[{{Yandere}} Arcturus]] figures it would be okay to kill Marchosias for talking to Harry since Marchosias has a son.
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son. [[SexlessMarriage This is also the only reason he slept with his wife.]] They only slept together twice in their marriage because their first child was a girl.



* PlayedWith in the ''WesternAnimation/HortonHearsAWho'' film: in Whoville, the position of mayor passes from parent to oldest child, and the firstborn [=McDodd=] child, [[SilentSnarker JoJo]], just happens to be [[OutnumberedSibling the only son]] with [[MassiveNumberedSiblings 96 younger sisters]]. As a result, he's still the one [[BumblingDad Nedd]] gives most of his attention to.

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* PlayedWith [[PlayingWithATrope Played with]] in the ''WesternAnimation/HortonHearsAWho'' film: in Whoville, the position of mayor passes from parent to oldest child, and the firstborn [=McDodd=] child, [[SilentSnarker JoJo]], just happens to be [[OutnumberedSibling the only son]] with [[MassiveNumberedSiblings 96 younger sisters]]. As a result, he's still the one [[BumblingDad Nedd]] gives most of his attention to.



* Frederich is shown praying desperately for a son in ''Film/SnowWhiteATaleofTerror''. It seems to be the only reason he married Claudia as he is still in love with his dead wife. Claudia, who admitted to her mirror that she really loved him, is not happy when she realizes this.

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* Frederich is shown praying desperately for a son in ''Film/SnowWhiteATaleofTerror''.''Film/SnowWhiteATaleOfTerror''. It seems to be the only reason he married Claudia as he is still in love with his dead wife. Claudia, who admitted to her mirror that she really loved him, is not happy when she realizes this.



* One of the major plot motivators in Creator/JaneAusten's ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'' is the Bennetts' lack of a male heir. Their family estate is entailed, which means that it is bound legally to be inherited by the next male relative in the family line. It's their distant cousin, Mr Collins. He kind of felt for the Bennet sisters and proposed to one of them; however, she didn't want to marry a stupid and obnoxious person because of property.
* ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'' by Creator/JaneAusten: Sir Walter's estate Kellynch Hall is entailed and he has no son. His heir presumptive is Mr Elliot, a distant cousin to his daughters. The family wished he would marry the eldest daughter Elizabeth, but he married a low-born woman for money. When he became a widower, he set his eyes on the younger Elliot daughter Anne, who though not as handsome as her sister is very intelligent, gentle and nearly an angel. He appreciates her character, however, his strongest motive to remarry is to be closer to the family so that he can keep an eye on Sir Walter (also widowed) who might get married again soon and produce a son of his own after all, which would cut his inheritance of the baronetcy and the estate.
* In the JimButcher series ''Literature/CodexAlera'', which is based on Ancient Roman culture, the First Lord (i.e. emperor) is passed down through male heirs. One of the major political issues is that the First Lord has no heir, since his son died in an attack on a remote area of Alera, so there is a lot of political maneuvering for the throne. About midway through the series, this comes to a head. We find out that there is indeed a long lost heir [[spoiler:'Tavi' a.k.a. Octavian, the First Lord's grandson]] who remained hidden for good reasons.
* In Creator/JaneAusten's ''Literature/LoveAndFreindship'', Laura's father-in-law remarries in hope of a son -- and gets one.

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One of the major plot motivators in Creator/JaneAusten's ''Literature/PrideAndPrejudice'' is the Bennetts' lack of a male heir. Their family estate is entailed, which means that it is bound legally to be inherited by the next male relative in the family line. It's their distant cousin, Mr Collins. He kind of felt for the Bennet sisters and proposed to one of them; however, she didn't want to marry a stupid and obnoxious person because of property.
* ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'' by Creator/JaneAusten:
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** ''Literature/{{Persuasion}}'':
Sir Walter's estate Kellynch Hall is entailed and he has no son. His heir presumptive is Mr Elliot, a distant cousin to his daughters. The family wished he would marry the eldest daughter Elizabeth, but he married a low-born woman for money. When he became a widower, he set his eyes on the younger Elliot daughter Anne, who though not as handsome as her sister is very intelligent, gentle and nearly an angel. He appreciates her character, however, his strongest motive to remarry is to be closer to the family so that he can keep an eye on Sir Walter (also widowed) who might get married again soon and produce a son of his own after all, which would cut his inheritance of the baronetcy and the estate.
** In ''Literature/LoveAndFreindship'', Laura's father-in-law remarries in hope of a son -- and gets one.
* In the JimButcher Creator/JimButcher series ''Literature/CodexAlera'', which is based on Ancient Roman culture, the First Lord (i.e. emperor) is passed down through male heirs. One of the major political issues is that the First Lord has no heir, since his son died in an attack on a remote area of Alera, so there is a lot of political maneuvering for the throne. About midway through the series, this comes to a head. We find out that there is indeed a long lost heir [[spoiler:'Tavi' a.k.a. Octavian, the First Lord's grandson]] who remained hidden for good reasons.
* In Creator/JaneAusten's ''Literature/LoveAndFreindship'', Laura's father-in-law remarries in hope of a son -- and gets one.
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* The entire plot of the ''MerryGentry'' series is TheFairFolk being mostly infertile, and whether Prince Cel or Merry can deliver an heir first.

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* The entire plot of the ''MerryGentry'' ''Literature/MerryGentry'' series is TheFairFolk being mostly infertile, and whether Prince Cel or Merry can deliver an heir first.



** Notably {{averted}} by the Valdemaran royal family; with Companions Choosing as many girls as boys, the Heralds know better than to think a Queen would be less effective a ruler than a King. Queen Selenay rules both before and during her marriages (and her husbands remain Princes), and her daughter Elspeth remains Heir even after her younger half-brother is born, until she explicitly {{abdicate|TheThrone}}s. Valdemar's nobility, however, is not so enlightened, preferring male heirs strongly.

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** Notably {{averted}} {{averted|Trope}} by the Valdemaran royal family; with Companions Choosing as many girls as boys, the Heralds know better than to think a Queen would be less effective a ruler than a King. Queen Selenay rules both before and during her marriages (and her husbands remain Princes), and her daughter Elspeth remains Heir even after her younger half-brother is born, until she explicitly {{abdicate|TheThrone}}s. Valdemar's nobility, however, is not so enlightened, preferring male heirs strongly.



* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' example: The Star Kingdom of Manticore has allowed primary succession by women ever since their second monarch, Elizabeth the First. The current queen is Elizabeth the Third. Grayson has recently tweaked the law to allow women to inherit (with a [[IncrediblyLamePun grandfather clause]] for current heirs), especially making sense due to the population being 75% female. The Andermani had a better solution: their first female Emperor, Gustav VII, dealt with rules forbidding female inheritance by [[SheIsTheKing declaring herself to be a man.]] It helped she took control of the Imperial Fleet before hand. "He" is considered one of the [[CrazyAwesome best rulers of an empire]] whose rulers are [[BunnyEarsLawyer well known for their eccentricities]].

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* ''Literature/HonorHarrington'' example: The Star Kingdom of Manticore has allowed primary succession by women ever since their second monarch, Elizabeth the First. The current queen is Elizabeth the Third. Grayson has recently tweaked the law to allow women to inherit (with a [[IncrediblyLamePun [[{{Pun}} grandfather clause]] for current heirs), especially making sense due to the population being 75% female. The Andermani had a better solution: their first female Emperor, Gustav VII, dealt with rules forbidding female inheritance by [[SheIsTheKing declaring herself to be a man.]] It helped she took control of the Imperial Fleet before hand. "He" is considered one of the [[CrazyAwesome best rulers of an empire]] whose rulers are [[BunnyEarsLawyer well known for their eccentricities]].



** The laws can get confusing at times. After Lord Rickard Karstark is killed his one surviving son Harrion inherits but his uncle Arnolf tries to have his son Cregan marry Rickard's daughter Alys so that he can inherit after they get Harrion killed. Cregan can't inherit the title without marrying Alys and she realizes that so she runs away [[spoiler:and marries a Wildling lord instead.]]

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** The laws can get confusing at times. After Lord Rickard Karstark is killed his one surviving son Harrion inherits but his uncle Arnolf tries to have his son Cregan marry Rickard's daughter Alys so that he can inherit after they get Harrion killed. Cregan can't inherit the title without marrying Alys and she realizes that so she runs away [[spoiler:and marries a Wildling lord instead.]]instead]].



* ''Series/{{Merlin}}'' When Uther couldn't get an heir, he turned to magic, and it gave him one, but cost him the life of his queen, Ygraine.

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* ''Series/{{Merlin}}'' ''Series/{{Merlin|2008}}'': When Uther couldn't get an heir, he turned to magic, and it gave him one, but cost him the life of his queen, Ygraine.



** The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] games seem to use this trope. It is never used as a focal point, but it's made clear that males are the preferred heirs in several conversations. Main Lord Marth of Akaneia's games is the younger brother of Ellce, yet he's clearly established as the heir of Altea, and the same applies for Yubello of Grust; he has an older sister, Yumina. Meanwhile, in Jugdral's ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', [[spoiler:Manfroy pesters Arvis, the heir apparent of Velthomer, to have a son with his wife Deirdre (stolen away from Sigurd of Chalphy). This is more in line with Manfroy's plan to make a SoulJar for the dark dragon god Loptyr, but since he demands a son, it still applies.]] Also, at the very end, when Seliph is dividing up territories for the rest of his party to rule, if a female is married, then she will go by her husband's side, and he will be the regnant of whatever land he owns, regardless of whether or not the female in question has the right to rule on her own. Finally, in ''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn).

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** The [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]] and [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] games seem to use this trope. It is never used as a focal point, but it's made clear that males are the preferred heirs in several conversations. Main Lord Marth of Akaneia's games is the younger brother of Ellce, yet he's clearly established as the heir of Altea, and the same applies for Yubello of Grust; he has an older sister, Yumina. Meanwhile, in Jugdral's ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', [[spoiler:Manfroy pesters Arvis, the heir apparent of Velthomer, to have a son with his wife Deirdre (stolen away from Sigurd of Chalphy). This is more in line with Manfroy's plan to make a SoulJar for the dark dragon god Loptyr, but since he demands a son, it still applies.]] applies]]. Also, at the very end, when Seliph is dividing up territories for the rest of his party to rule, if a female is married, then she will go by her husband's side, and he will be the regnant of whatever land he owns, regardless of whether or not the female in question has the right to rule on her own. Finally, in ''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn).



* In VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft, it's indicated that [[ParentsAsPeople Magni]] was disappointed because his only child Moira was not a male heir. As a result, Moira became quite bitter, and eventually fell in love with the Dark Iron Dwarves' emperor, before returning to Ironforge to claim her throne after her father [[TakenForGranite turned into diamond]] in a ritual gone wrong.

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* In VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft, ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', it's indicated that [[ParentsAsPeople Magni]] was disappointed because his only child Moira was not a male heir. As a result, Moira became quite bitter, and eventually fell in love with the Dark Iron Dwarves' emperor, before returning to Ironforge to claim her throne after her father [[TakenForGranite turned into diamond]] in a ritual gone wrong.



* Gender-Inverted in [[WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}} W.I.T.C.H]], where succession to the throne of Meridian/Metamoor is traditionally female, which is why the younger [[spoiler:Elyon Brown]] is the rightful heir to the throne, over her older brother, Prince Phobos. Then again, considering he probably killed their parents, that's a good thing.

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* Gender-Inverted in [[WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}} ''[[WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}} W.I.T.C.H]], H]]'', where succession to the throne of Meridian/Metamoor is traditionally female, which is why the younger [[spoiler:Elyon Brown]] is the rightful heir to the throne, over her older brother, Prince Phobos. Then again, considering he probably killed their parents, that's a good thing.



* In Russia Peter I the Great had set down a house law that monarchs could appoint their own successors, as a consequence of which his throne was first inherited by his widow Catherine I and which probably contributed to the succession being settled by palace coup a number of time during the 18th century. After a period that saw three more ruling Czarinas, Czar Paul I, who bore a grudge against his mother UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat for deposing his (supposed?) father Peter III and allowing him to be murdered (and also because she possibly wrote a will that removed him from the line of succession and gave the crown to Paul's eldest son, Alexander), then enacted a new house law that henceforth excluded women from the succession. The Pauline Law was technically semi-Salic and did not exclude women from succession totally, but any male heir was preferred to any female. Since then, there were no regnant Empresses / Czarinas in Russia. The last Czar's only son was hemophiliac (which prompted UsefulNotes/RasputinTheMadMonk to enter the picture), and a decade or two later, [[RedOctober this became a moot point anyway]].

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* In Russia Peter I the Great had set down a house law that monarchs could appoint their own successors, as a consequence of which his throne was first inherited by his widow Catherine I and which probably contributed to the succession being settled by palace coup a number of time during the 18th century. After a period that saw three more ruling Czarinas, Czar Paul I, who bore a grudge against his mother UsefulNotes/CatherineTheGreat for deposing his (supposed?) father Peter III and allowing him to be murdered (and also because she possibly wrote a will that removed him from the line of succession and gave the crown to Paul's eldest son, Alexander), then enacted a new house law that henceforth excluded women from the succession. The Pauline Law was technically semi-Salic and did not exclude women from succession totally, but any male heir was preferred to any female. Since then, there were no regnant Empresses / Czarinas in Russia. The last Czar's only son was hemophiliac (which prompted UsefulNotes/RasputinTheMadMonk to enter the picture), and a decade or two later, [[RedOctober [[UsefulNotes/RedOctober this became a moot point anyway]].
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* ''Literature/TheAscendantKingdomsSaga'': It's discovered in the first book, ''Ice Forged'', that a long-ago ruler, King Hougen, anchored humanity's control of magic to the bloodlines of himself and twelve of his followers, anchors that are ''only'' passed along the lines of firstborn sons. [[DeconstructedTrope Because of this]], over half the anchoring bloodlines, including that of Hougen himself, ended even ''before'' a FantasticNuke attack kills off almost all of Donderath's noble houses and brings on [[ApocalypseHow the collapse of human civilization across the Continent]]. This leaves protagonist Blaine [=McFadden=], who was exiled for murder at the start of the series, as the last surviving Lord of the Blood and therefore the only one able to re-anchor magic.[[note]]Technically one of the others survives, but he's a wraith so he doesn't count as far as the magic is concerned.[[/note]]



* A subversion occurs in ''Series/{{Farscape}}''. The crew lands on a Sebacean breakaway colony where succession goes to the eldest child regardless of gender but the law states that a husband and wife must rule together. As such, the princess cannot become empress unless she finds a male who can give her children before she reaches a certain birth day (and, due to some gene poisoning by her brother, only Crichton fits the bill.)

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* A subversion occurs in ''Series/{{Farscape}}''. The crew lands on a Sebacean breakaway colony where succession goes to the eldest child regardless of gender gender, but the law states that a husband and wife must rule together. As such, the princess cannot become empress unless she finds a male who can give her children before she reaches a certain birth day (and, due to some gene poisoning by her brother, only Crichton fits the bill.)



* The [[FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]] and [[FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] games of ''FireEmblem'' seem to use this trope. It is never used as a focal point, but it's made clear that males are the preferred heirs in several conversations. Main Lord Marth of Akaneia's games is the younger brother of Ellce, yet he's clearly established as the heir of Altea, and the same applies for Yubello of Grust; he has an older sister, Yumina. Meanwhile, in Jugdral's ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', [[spoiler:Manfroy pesters Arvis, the heir apparent of Velthomer, to have a son with his wife Deirdre (stolen away from Sigurd of Chalphy). This is more in line with Manfroy's plan to make a SoulJar for the dark dragon god Loptyr, but since he demands a son, it still applies.]] Also, at the very end, when Seliph is dividing up territories for the rest of his party to rule, if a female is married, then she will go by her husband's side, and he will be the regnant of whatever land he owns, regardless of whether or not the female in question has the right to rule on her own. Finally, in ''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn).

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The [[FireEmblemAkaneia [[VideoGame/FireEmblemAkaneia Akaneia]] and [[FireEmblemJugdral [[VideoGame/FireEmblemJugdral Jugdral]] games of ''FireEmblem'' seem to use this trope. It is never used as a focal point, but it's made clear that males are the preferred heirs in several conversations. Main Lord Marth of Akaneia's games is the younger brother of Ellce, yet he's clearly established as the heir of Altea, and the same applies for Yubello of Grust; he has an older sister, Yumina. Meanwhile, in Jugdral's ''Genealogy of the Holy War'', [[spoiler:Manfroy pesters Arvis, the heir apparent of Velthomer, to have a son with his wife Deirdre (stolen away from Sigurd of Chalphy). This is more in line with Manfroy's plan to make a SoulJar for the dark dragon god Loptyr, but since he demands a son, it still applies.]] Also, at the very end, when Seliph is dividing up territories for the rest of his party to rule, if a female is married, then she will go by her husband's side, and he will be the regnant of whatever land he owns, regardless of whether or not the female in question has the right to rule on her own. Finally, in ''Thracia 776's'' ending, Finn mentions that Leif is the only male heir across the four main territories of the Manster District (Princess Miranda is the only heiress of Conote, and was up for a possible arranged marriage with Leif), and is more than likely going to wind up as Leonster's king. This is despite the fact that not only does he have an older sister, said sister is the inheritor of Major Noba Blood and the wielder of the Gae Bolg lance from their father Quan; Leif has two types of minor blood (Noba from Quan, and Baldur from Quan's wife Ethlyn).



* {{Gender inverted|Trope}}... Again: In ''SuikodenV'', the country of Falerna is ruled by a royal house who practice female inheritance of the throne. The Queen rules the country and takes a male consort (decided by an InevitableTournament between the country's various noble houses and other competitors), who becomes commander of the country's armies and Knight Commander of the Queen's royal knights. The main character, who is the eldest-born prince, has no right of succession and is groomed to becoming a statesman or a general in the armies, while his younger sister is groomed to be Queen.

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* {{Gender inverted|Trope}}... Again: In ''SuikodenV'', ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'', the country of Falerna is ruled by a royal house who practice female inheritance of the throne. The Queen rules the country and takes a male consort (decided by an InevitableTournament between the country's various noble houses and other competitors), who becomes commander of the country's armies and Knight Commander of the Queen's royal knights. The main character, who is the eldest-born prince, has no right of succession and is groomed to becoming a statesman or a general in the armies, while his younger sister is groomed to be Queen.



* In ''TheWitcher 2'', one of the triggers that start the events of the game is that king Foltest has a lack of proper male heirs: He has a bastard son, who is still technically higher on the succession line than Foltest's acknowledged daughter (though said daughter [[BrotherSisterIncest is also his niece]], which possibly explains that part). [[spoiler:The poor boy is assassinated halfway through the game, leaving his other sister (Foltest's youngest, a bastard daughter) as heir incumbent. Geralt's actions may end up helping to legitimize her claim.]]

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* In ''TheWitcher 2'', ''VideoGame/TheWitcher2AssassinsOfKings'', one of the triggers that start the events of the game is that king Foltest has a lack of proper male heirs: He has a bastard son, who is still technically higher on the succession line than Foltest's acknowledged daughter (though said daughter [[BrotherSisterIncest is also his niece]], which possibly explains that part). [[spoiler:The poor boy is assassinated halfway through the game, leaving his other sister (Foltest's youngest, a bastard daughter) as heir incumbent. Geralt's actions may end up helping to legitimize her claim.]]



* In VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft, it's indicated that [[ParentsAsPeople Magni]] was disappointed because his only child Moira was not a male heir. As a ressult, Moira became quite bitter, and eventually fell in love with the Dark Iron Dwarves' emperor, before returning to Ironforge to claim her throne after her father [[TakenForGranite turned into diamond]] in a ritual gone wrong.
* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings 2'' has three gender inheritance laws. Agnatic inheritance only allows men to rise to power, Agnatic-Cognatic allows women to inherit if there are no valid male inheritors (but still prefers women with male issue to ones without), and Absolute Cognatic is gender-neutral (but can only be enacted if your ruler is of the Basque culture or follows [[TheHeretic catharism]]). However, if you pick a less traditional inheritance law (such as ElectiveMonarchy), it's possible for women to inherit fairly easily. Rulers with female heirs get a relation penalty to all their male vassals, as do all female rulers.
** Interestingly enough, the game also has two more gender inheritance laws coded in: Enatic, which allows only women to rise to power, and Enatic-Cognatic, which allows men to inherit only if there are no valid female heirs. Neither of these are actually implemented in the game, obviously, but they can be modded in if one wants.
** The Conclave expansion allows toning down this, by introducing a (technology-unlocked) set of laws representing women's status in your domain. A sufficiently high tier gives access to Absolute Cognatic succession even if you aren't Basque or Cathar, and the top tier removes the relation penalty for female heirs or rulers.

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* In VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft, it's indicated that [[ParentsAsPeople Magni]] was disappointed because his only child Moira was not a male heir. As a ressult, result, Moira became quite bitter, and eventually fell in love with the Dark Iron Dwarves' emperor, before returning to Ironforge to claim her throne after her father [[TakenForGranite turned into diamond]] in a ritual gone wrong.
* ''VideoGame/CrusaderKings 2'' has three gender inheritance laws. Agnatic inheritance only allows men to rise to power, Agnatic-Cognatic allows women to inherit if there are no valid male inheritors (but still prefers women with male issue to ones without), and Absolute Cognatic is gender-neutral (but can only be enacted if your ruler is of the Basque culture or follows [[TheHeretic catharism]]).Catharism]], or if you add the ''Conclave'' DLC and enact laws to expand women's rights). However, if you pick a less traditional inheritance law (such as ElectiveMonarchy), it's possible for women to inherit fairly easily. Rulers with female heirs get a relation penalty to all their male vassals, as do all female rulers.
** Interestingly enough, the
rulers. The game also has two more gender inheritance laws coded in: Enatic, which allows only women to rise to power, and Enatic-Cognatic, which allows men to inherit only if there are no valid female heirs. Neither of these are actually implemented in the game, obviously, but they can be modded in if one wants.
** The Conclave expansion allows toning down this, by introducing a (technology-unlocked) set of laws representing women's status in your domain. A sufficiently high tier gives access to Absolute Cognatic succession even if you aren't Basque or Cathar, and the top tier removes the relation penalty for female heirs or rulers.
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21st Aug '16 1:39:26 PM thatmadork
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** The nobility of Westeros practice a form of male-preference cognatic primogeniture, meaning that lordly titles are passed down from father to eldest son. A younger son could inherit if his elder brother dies without any male issue[[note]]or joins the Nights' Watch, the Maesters, or the Kingsguard--all celibate orders that require the renunciation of titles held or expectant[[/note]], and a female heir could only inherit if she has no surviving brothers and none of her brothers had any male issue. Even then, families often cast a wide net to find a male heir among the cadet branches and other distant relations rather than allow a female to hold power in her own right. This is because should a female heir marry, her husband would take power of her inheritance through her, more or less starting a new house traced through his own line and cutting out the existing family entirely. This has implications when daughters of defeated noble houses are forced into marriage with the victors, that the victor's family might lay claim to the defeated family's holdings.

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** The nobility of Westeros practice a form of male-preference cognatic primogeniture, meaning that lordly titles are passed down from father to eldest son. A younger son could inherit if his elder brother dies without any male issue[[note]]or joins the Nights' Watch, the Maesters, or the Kingsguard--all celibate orders that require the renunciation of titles held or expectant[[/note]], and a female heir could only inherit if she has no surviving brothers and none of her brothers had any male issue. Even then, families often cast a wide net to find a male heir among the cadet branches and other distant relations rather than allow a female to hold power in her own right. This is because should a female heir marry, her husband would take power of her inheritance through her, more or less starting a new house traced through his own line and cutting out the existing family entirely. This has implications when daughters of defeated noble houses are forced into marriage with the victors, that the victor's family might lay claim to the defeated family's holdings. This also gets the obvious {{deconstruct|edTrope}}ion that many suitable, even decent female candidates are passed over for giving power to men who are just vicious, insane and/or incompetent, with [[MoralEventHorizon entirely]] [[TheCaligula predictable]] [[CrapsackWorld results]].
21st Aug '16 10:53:21 AM nombretomado
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* {{Gender inverted|Trope}} in ''{{Drowtales}}'' due to a matriarchal society. Thanks to an injury from an enemy, Quain'tana has been unable to produce a suitable ''female'' heir for her clan despite having several daughters. The first hates her and mingles freely with the enemy, the second is possessed by a demon, and her adopted daughter was disowned after being tainted and generally considered a failure. She eventually resorts to [[spoiler:stealing her eldest daughter's first child]] to solve this.

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* {{Gender inverted|Trope}} in ''{{Drowtales}}'' ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'' due to a matriarchal society. Thanks to an injury from an enemy, Quain'tana has been unable to produce a suitable ''female'' heir for her clan despite having several daughters. The first hates her and mingles freely with the enemy, the second is possessed by a demon, and her adopted daughter was disowned after being tainted and generally considered a failure. She eventually resorts to [[spoiler:stealing her eldest daughter's first child]] to solve this.
7th Aug '16 7:14:13 PM MarqFJA
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See also RoyalMess (for the ways in which this can get interesting).

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Of course, in the case of a {{Matriarchy}}, this trope is automatically [[GenderInvertedTrope gender-inverted]]. See also RoyalMess (for for the ways in which this can get interesting).
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