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** Played straight at first with Berserker, a boy who has never had any training, but is so naturally talented that he has never lost a single fight. Then Tanimoto manages to defeat him, and afterward states that this entire trope is a lie: "In the world of martial arts, hard work will ''always'' trump natural talent."
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* Proof for Harry in regards to this trope is his learning the Patronus charm in THIRD year. Most ADULTS have trouble learning it. Sure, he taught the DA but that wasn't until 5th year.
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***Gokudera's a poor example. First off, "blowing himself up" is not an effective training method at all and that scene was meant to show how little he valued his own life. When he does realize that his life has meaning he trains under Shamal (much like how Yamamoto was taught by his father) and ends up equal to his opponent. In fact the only reason he lost is because if he didn't throw the match both he and his opponent would've been blown up. Also Gokudera's special skill was only part of why he won. He won with a combination of his brains (considering he's TheSmartGuy it makes since), and a BeamOWar powered by HeroicResolve.
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** It wasn't a wallbangar because A) Konohamaru merely caught [[spoiler: Pain]] off guard and B) It wasn't a InstantDeathBullet and C) It wasn't really a fight. By the time [[spoiler:Pain's Naraka Path]] was used again, it was to sacrifice chakra for the [[spoiler:Deva Path to use [[WaveMotionGun Shinra Tensei]] on Konoha]].

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* This is the case with many professionals or aspiring pros, especially athletes and musicians, etc. In the case of athletes, overtraining can wreck your body and cause burnout. In most cases with music, overpractising can lead to voice fatigue in singers, tendonitis or muscle damage in keyboardists, string players and even conductors, and damaging muscles in the area of the mouth for wind instrumentalists, particularly those who play brass instruments.
** Also, it should be worth mentioning that this trope can be invoked if one practices or trains, but doesn't use their time efficiently - i.e. a basketball player who is really good at free throws should practice free throws, but probably not to the extent that the rest of their game suffers or doesn't get developed.
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** Also on a number of occasions at the end of the episode Jarod explains that he actually cannot do something because he actually is not what he pretends to be at the moment. He is very good at faking the general behaviour of the professionals he is pretending to be but he does not have the detailed knowledge that those professions really require. Thus he tries to accomplish his task and leave before he is discovered or blunders enough to cause harm to innocents.
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*** There was never any indication that you needed 7 symbols for activation. Th cover stones only had 6, and they tried those. Trying to open the gate with random dials is prohibitively expensive, especially for a top secret project. Just the sheer power requirements alone... Besides, how were they to know that it wasn't 8 symbols, or 9, or that a symbol went before the 6 they knew? Science is not based on randomly trying things until they work through sheer blind luck. Also, you don't mess around with an alien artifact unless you know what you're doing.

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* ''Clash of the Titans'' depicts several egregious uses of this trope, such as when Perseus has a pegasus show up for no apparent reason and ''literally finds a magic sword laying on the ground.'' The original ''Clash'' at least attempted a justification by showing the gods interfering in the course of events. While jarring to a modern audience, this kind of thing was actually very common in the original Greek myths. So common, in fact, that they served as the origin of the phrase, ''deus ex machinae.''

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* ''Clash ''{{Clash of the Titans'' Titans}}'' depicts several egregious uses of this trope, such as when Perseus has a pegasus show up for no apparent reason and ''literally finds a magic sword laying on the ground.'' The original ''Clash'' at least attempted a justification by showing the gods interfering in the course of events. While jarring to a modern audience, this kind of thing was actually very common in the original Greek myths. So common, in fact, that they served as the origin of the phrase, ''deus ex machinae.''''
** It seemed pretty clear that everyone knew that they came from Zeus. Perseus just wanted nothing to do with him. More daddy issues.
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***Earlier in the series it's said that whenever a Saiyan recovers from the brink of death, he grows markedly stronger. This was how Vegeta went from being overwhelmed by Zarbon to soundly thrashing Zarbon with no training. As a result, nearly killing himself every chance he gets is probably the best training he could go through.
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*** Played straight, as [[spoiler:he's now stronger than Aizen (and, by extension, every single other character who's been introduced up to this point) after training for the equivalent of three months, even though Aizen's gone through at least four [[ShonenUpgrade power-ups]] [[AssPull which came from nowhere]] since he defeated most of the cast.]]

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*** Played straight, as [[spoiler:he's now stronger than Aizen (and, by extension, every single other character who's been introduced up to this point) after training for the equivalent of three months, even though Aizen's gone through at least four [[ShonenUpgrade power-ups]] [[AssPull which came from nowhere]] since he defeated most of the cast.cast, who had been training for [[ReallySevenHundredYearsOld hundreds of years]] before that.]]
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->''"When was it that the transformation to the legendary warrior of the saiyan race was reduce to a child's plaything?!"''
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->''"When was it that the transformation to the legendary warrior of the saiyan Saiyan race was reduce to a child's plaything?!"''
-->-- '''Vegeta''', ''{{DragonballZ}}''
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** Worse yet, Tienshinhan and Chiaotzu eventually more or less pretty much spent ''all their time'' training after a certain point, and remained hopelessly behind the Saiyan characters nonetheless. It was almost a WallBanger with how neither of them could even put a ''scratch'' on Nappa. Even though they [[spoiler:Managed to survive the Human Extinction Attack Majin Buu did]] and later showed up against Super Buu...Super Buu practically only needed to cough to send Tien flying (though that's more thanks to the algorithm of evil).
*** Really, anyone who isn't Goku (and to a lesser extent, Gohan) falls victim to this trope. Piccolo, despite having no family or friends to distract from his constant training, and at one point being STRONGER than the Saiyans during the Android Saga, is nowhere near as strong any time afterwards.

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** Worse yet, Tienshinhan Tenshinhan and Chiaotzu eventually more or less pretty much spent ''all their time'' training after a certain point, and remained hopelessly behind the Saiyan characters nonetheless. It was almost a WallBanger with how neither of them could even put a ''scratch'' on Nappa. Even though they [[spoiler:Managed [[spoiler:managed to survive the Human Extinction Attack Majin Buu did]] and later showed up against Super Buu...Super Buu practically only needed to cough to send Tien flying (though that's more thanks to the algorithm of evil).
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*** Really, anyone who isn't Goku (and to a lesser extent, Gohan) falls victim to this trope. Piccolo, despite having no family or friends to distract from his constant training, and at one point being STRONGER than the Saiyans during the Android Saga, is nowhere near as strong any time afterwards.



** Vegeta may not ''quite'' be able to keep up with Goku at ssj3( they tied at ssj2), but he comes a damn sight closer than anyone else in the universe. There's a ''reason'' Frieza was scared of how powerful the Saiyans might become.

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** Vegeta may not ''quite'' be able to keep up with Goku at ssj3( they Super Saiyan 3 (they tied at ssj2), Super Saiyan 2), but he comes a damn sight closer than anyone else in the universe. There's a ''reason'' Frieza was scared of how powerful the Saiyans might become.



** Rock Lee is the poster boy child for the opposite side. Intense training, incredible strength, [[TheWorfEffect never manages to enter a fight he can win]]. It doesn't help that he always saves his best techniques for the most dire situation, where they [[TheWorfBarrage will also fail to work]].
*** According to the fanbook, Kishimoto wanted to use Lee to send a message in support of hard work, as he felt that it wasn't seen as "cool". While this does fly in the face of Lee's repeated losses, 1)Lee initially wasn't even very good at taijutsu, so he'd be doing even worse if he didn't try (fans tend to forget that Rock Lee has only been training incredibly hard since he met Guy a couple years ago), and 2)It's noted that hard work isn't everything, as Guy tells Lee that he also has to believe in himself (According to Kurenai, Hinata also worked very hard, but failed at missions because of her lack of self-confidence) 3)Lee is the poster ninja for hard work, but not the only hard-working one- Sasuke, Hinata, Neji and even Naruto are shown at various points working very hard.

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** Rock Lee is the poster boy child for the opposite side. Intense training, incredible strength, [[TheWorfEffect never manages to enter a win any fight he can win]].gets into]]. It doesn't help that he always saves his best techniques for the most dire situation, where they [[TheWorfBarrage will also fail to work]].
*** According to the fanbook, Kishimoto wanted to use Lee to send a message in support of hard work, as he felt that it wasn't seen as "cool". While this does fly in the face of Lee's repeated losses, 1)Lee 1.) Lee initially wasn't even very good at taijutsu, so he'd be doing even worse if he didn't try (fans tend to forget that Rock Lee has only been training incredibly hard since he met Guy a couple years ago), and 2)It's 2.) It's noted that hard work isn't everything, as Guy tells Lee that he also has to believe in himself (According to Kurenai, Hinata also worked very hard, but failed at missions because of her lack of self-confidence) 3)Lee is the poster ninja for hard work, but not the only hard-working one- one -- Sasuke, Hinata, Neji and even Naruto are shown at various points working very hard.



** When [[spoiler: Pein invades Konoha]] Everyone from ANBU to Chunnin to named characters like Kakashi and Ibuki and Ebisu join the fight. These are all high ranking ninja with ''decades'' of experience and trainning, but out of all of them, who is the first one to get an untarnished victory? [[spoiler: Konohamaru, a gennin of ''two years''.]] To make it more of a WallBanger, it was an InstantDeathBullet.

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** When [[spoiler: Pein invades Konoha]] Everyone from ANBU to Chunnin to named characters like Kakashi and Ibuki and Ebisu join the fight. These are all high ranking ninja with ''decades'' of experience and trainning, training, but out of all of them, who is the first one to get an untarnished victory? [[spoiler: Konohamaru, a gennin of ''two years''.]] To make it more of a WallBanger, it was an InstantDeathBullet.
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*** Played straight, as [[spoiler:he's now stronger than Aizen (and, by extension, every single other character who's been introduced up to this point) after training for the equivalent of three months, even though Aizen's gone through at least four [[ShonenUpgrade power-ups]] [[AssPull which came from nowhere]] since he defeated most of the cast.]]
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** The aversion is underlines by Fate Averruncus when Negi manages to him after learning Dark Magic: Fate is surprised by that Negi could, and is unable to improve himself because he never needed to train in his whole life; he only survives his fight against Rakan by using an artifact that [[GameBreaker breaks the game]] even more than Rakan himself, because it [[spoiler:MAKES the game]].
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**When [[spoiler: Pein invades Konoha]] Everyone from ANBU to Chunnin to named characters like Kakashi and Ibuki and Ebisu join the fight. These are all high ranking ninja with ''decades'' of experience and trainning, but out of all of them, who is the first one to get an untarnished victory? [[spoiler: Konohamaru, a gennin of ''two years''.]] To make it more of a WallBanger, it was an InstantDeathBullet.
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* ''{{FEAR}}'' is a particularly jarring case, as it's suggested this is your character's first time working with the team, and fresh out of training. You promptly take out an entire army of clones, while your teammates are either turned into ash or helpful chatterboxes by the end of the first level. It ''is'' eventually justified, as the BigBad that fried your teammates only wants to give you a hug [[spoiler: that would instant kill you]].

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* ''{{FEAR}}'' is a particularly jarring case, as it's suggested this is your character's first time working with the team, and fresh out of training. You promptly take out an entire army of clones, while your teammates are either turned into ash or helpful chatterboxes by the end of the first level. It ''is'' eventually justified, as the BigBad that fried your teammates only wants to give you a hug [[spoiler: that would instant kill you]]. On the other hand, he has been a spec ops soldier for quite some while and has gone through some pretty intense training (That is, since he was born.).
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though the last delete did have a point and really picking the two characters with most Determinator behaviour on the show and who push themselves to train in firebending to a mentally unstable degree. And that's Not A Subversion.


** It should be noted that this trope is subverted towards the end of the series as while Azula has been shown to ahead of Zuko in firebending for most of their lives, by the end of the series, Zuko's skill has grown to the point where Azula can no longer easily defeat him and they are now evenly matched. This troper believes that this may be another cause of [[spoiler:Azula's VillainousBreakdown]]. (Ironically, [[spoiler:that same breakdown is what gives him an edge in their final battle.]])
** But all of them get bending so easily compared to {{Mooks}} of the Fire Nation and the RedshirtArmy of the Earth Kingdom. Apparently, years of training combined with battle experience mean nothing when facing a couple of kids armed with TheGift. Poor guys.
** Feel particularly bad for the Terra Team. Explicitly described as EliteMooks, and something like a [[RedshirtArmy dozen get taken down]] in less than a minute by [[strike:two]] one ''[[BadassNormal non-bending]]'', teenaged ''minion'' of {{the Dragon}}.
** Iroh is the one person besides Aang who really should have powers like that. He ''has'' had many more years of experience than any other characters. Aang gets them because he's the Avatar, it's his job to be the world's strongest bender.
*** Granted, in the series finale Iroh is acknowledged as the world's most powerful Bender next to the Avatar, or at the least tying for second with the BigBad (or at least, when the comet is overhead).
*** Iroh has ''invented'' at least one entirely new firebending technique, likely more.
** It's also subverted in that despite being the Avatar, Aang apparently can't specialize in each elements and unlock their full potential like Katara (healing and bloodbending), Toph (Metalbending) and Zuko (Lightingredirection) can.
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*** Actually to this troper it seemed more a case of [[VillainForgotToLevelGrind Azula forgetting to train more]] and Zuko discovering a LostAncientTechnique.

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* In the first episode of the original series of ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}!'' Yugi used an unfamiliar deck to beat Kaiba, who was an experienced duelist and had spent a considerable amount of money obtaining the rarest, most powerful cards he could.
** It's important to note that Yugi had the five Exodia cards at the time, meaning that if he got all five of them in his hand he automatically won. Meaning, among other things, that it wouldn't be far off base to call his victory an almost total fluke.
*** At the same time, Kaiba relied on the power of his Blue Eyes White Dragons, which he drew within turns of each other, to dominate the duel before Atemu/Yugi drew the final piece of Exodia, so he wasn't relying on hard work or even skill either, but rather on TheMagicPokerEquation.
** Yugi fits the trope through the entire series, as he just happens to have the millennium puzzle, a magical artifact containing the soul of an extremely talented gamer who, as its eventually dicovered, has the ability to influence what card he draws when playing Duel Monsters. You'd think that he'd get himself banned from official tournaments with that kind of advantage.
*** The draw control actually only comes into play in the very last duel of the series, after his hidden memories have been awakened. And even then, only in the anime, not the original manga.
** Likewise, Maximilian Pegasus can ''read his opponents' minds'', and would never be allowed near any tournament if that was known (and believed). However, this one ''is'' lampshaded when it all crumbles to dust: Pegasus is revealed as a pathetic cheater when [[ThePowerOfFriendship Yugi's friends]] block his mind-reading power.
*** Pathetic cheater? And Yugi isn't? "Heart of the cards," my ass.
**** Quoting a [[FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids]] line that wasn't even in the original dialogue? Tsk tsk tsk.
*** Yugi also uses his other self to do so, with Yugi laying down face-down cards that Yami doesn't know about, and which provide him the key to victory. Pegasus is also assisted by his deck of cards created specifically for his own use (some of which, like the Toon World and Sacrifice cards, are virtual {{GameBreaker}}s), which Anzu notes is an abuse of his own status as creator.
** Technically, it isn't an example of this trope, because it ''isn't him who's winning''. Yugi is technically being possessed by a master duelist who had an entire lifetime to train. This is lampshaded in YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries, where all his friends immediately point out that this means he has been cheating all along. (At one point, when someone demands he hand over the Millennium Puzzle, he exclaims "No way! Without it I can't pretend to be good at card games!")

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* In the first episode of the original series of ''{{Yu-Gi-Oh}}!'' Yugi used an unfamiliar deck to beat Kaiba, who was an experienced duelist and had spent a considerable amount of money obtaining the rarest, most powerful cards he could.
** It's important to note that Yugi had the five Exodia cards at the time, meaning that if he got all five of them in his hand he automatically won. Meaning, among other things, that it wouldn't be far off base to call his victory an almost total fluke.
*** At the same time, Kaiba relied on the power of his Blue Eyes White Dragons, which he drew within turns of each other, to dominate the duel before Atemu/Yugi drew the final piece of Exodia, so he wasn't relying on hard work or even skill either, but rather on TheMagicPokerEquation.
** Yugi fits the trope through the entire series, as he just happens to have the millennium puzzle, a magical artifact containing the soul of an extremely talented gamer who, as its eventually dicovered, has the ability to influence what card he draws when playing Duel Monsters. You'd think that he'd get himself banned from official tournaments with that kind of advantage.
*** The draw control actually only comes into play in the very last duel
could. Summoning [[OneHitKill Exodia]] looks like use of the series, after his hidden memories have been awakened. And even then, only in the anime, not the original manga.
** Likewise, Maximilian Pegasus can ''read his opponents' minds'', and would never be allowed near any tournament if that was known (and believed). However, this one ''is'' lampshaded when it all crumbles to dust: Pegasus is
MagicPokerEquation at first, but it's revealed as a pathetic cheater when [[ThePowerOfFriendship Yugi's friends]] block his mind-reading power.
*** Pathetic cheater? And Yugi isn't? "Heart of
by the cards," my ass.
**** Quoting a [[FourKidsEntertainment 4Kids]] line
end that wasn't even in the original dialogue? Tsk tsk tsk.
*** Yugi also uses his other self to do so, with Yugi laying down face-down cards that Yami doesn't know about, and which provide him the key to victory. Pegasus is also assisted by his deck of cards created specifically for his own use (some of which, like the Toon World and Sacrifice cards, are virtual {{GameBreaker}}s), which Anzu notes is an abuse of his own status as creator.
** Technically, it isn't an example of this trope, because it ''isn't him who's winning''. Yugi is technically being possessed by a master duelist who had an entire lifetime to train. This is lampshaded in YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries, where all his friends immediately point out that this means he has been cheating all along. (At one point, when someone demands he hand over
the Millennium Puzzle, he exclaims "No way! Without it I can't pretend Puzzle's power is to be good at card games!")choose what cards are drawn.



** Ryou, Kaibaman, Edo Phoenix, Yuugi. Manjoume could've won against him on two different occasions but chose not to. O'Brien could've won in their first duel and chose not to, and tied with him in their second. Ryou is not the only exception. Yes, Juudai wins without too much hard work, but other people have beaten him. Duels in YGO (all series) are won or lost not based on skill but on the needs of the plot.
*** The latter three are examples of talent, power, and/or luck over hard work as well. Ryou of course relied on a mix of beatdown and the MagicPokerEquation (drawing out his three Cyber Dragons and fusing them into Cyber End Dragon on turn 1 on multiple occasions), Edo was the exclusive owner of a potent archetype with several real life meta-defining cards, and Kaibaman of course relied on a pure Blue Eyes beatdown deck, and would have lost against Judai if not for that last turn De-Fusion. The person who would truly qualify for the hard work not working end of the trope would be Bastion, who was unquestionably talented yes, but put his head to the grindstone creating strategies upon strategies, and multiple decks for himself, and he seldom won any onscreen duels due to plot favoritism.
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* ''Clash of the Titans'' depicts several egregious uses of this trope, such as when Perseus has a pegasus show up for no apparent reason and ''literally finds a magic sword laying on the ground.'' The original ''Clash'' at least attempted a justification by showing the gods interfering in the course of events. While jarring to a modern audience, this kind of thing was actually very common in the original Greek myths. So common, in fact, that they served as the origin of the phrase, ''deus ex machinae.''

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*** Actually to this troper it seemed more a case of [[VillainForgotToLevelGrind Azula forgetting to train more]] and Zuko discovering a LostAncientTechnique.



** It's also subverted in that despite being the Avatar, Aang apparently can't specialize in each elements and unlock their full potential like Katara (healing and bloodbending), Toph (Metalbending) and Zuko (Lightingbending) can.

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** It's also subverted in that despite being the Avatar, Aang apparently can't specialize in each elements and unlock their full potential like Katara (healing and bloodbending), Toph (Metalbending) and Zuko (Lightingbending) (Lightingredirection) can.

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* This Troper disagrees with the above as both train just as hard. It's just that Goku gets better training. Besides, Vegeta and Goku are equally strong at SSJ2. Goku only surpasses Vegeta in SSJ3, something Vegeta doesn't have access to.

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* ** This Troper disagrees with the above as both train just as hard. It's just that Goku gets better training. Besides, Vegeta and Goku are equally strong at SSJ2. Goku only surpasses Vegeta in SSJ3, something Vegeta doesn't have access to.


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** Then there is the case of Goten and Trunks, who are the youngest of Super Saiyans. Gohan, Vegeta, ChiChi and Goku each had their own expressions of shock when they found this out. The three older saiyans had to go through sweat and blood to pick their transformations, and the two brats just got theirs when they were playing in the woods.
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->''"When was it that the transformation to the legendary warrior of the saiyan race was reduce to a child's plaything?!"

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->''"When was it that the transformation to the legendary warrior of the saiyan race was reduce to a child's plaything?!"
-->-- '''Vegeta''', ''{{DragonballZ}}''
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*** One wonders what two robots, one hairy Wookie and two people that most expressedly despise each other get up to during those dull, dull, boring months on that small flying junkpile... oh yeah right, venturing into some damp, squishy, parasite-infested cave only to almost being eaten by a gigantic space worm. Symbolism!!!1!
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*** Iroh has ''invented'' at least one entirely new firebending technique, likely more. SoYeah.

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*** Iroh has ''invented'' at least one entirely new firebending technique, likely more. SoYeah.
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* ''{{Naruto}}:'' Sasuke and Naruto are largely stronger that most other characters by the former having TheGift, and both winning the SuperpowerLottery. They do, however, take their training very seriously, working day and night to get stronger. Further, Gaara had the same advantage Naruto did, and apparently much less trouble learning how to use it and how to master other forms of ninjutsu, but Naruto won their fight.

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* ''{{Naruto}}:'' Sasuke and Naruto are largely stronger that most other characters by the former having TheGift, and both winning the SuperpowerLottery.SuperpowerLottery; Sasuke's gift specifically lets him instantly copy and, training and aptitude sufficient, execute it flawlessly. They do, however, take their training very seriously, working day and night to get stronger. Further, Gaara had the same advantage Naruto did, and apparently much less trouble learning how to use it and how to master other forms of ninjutsu, but Naruto won their fight.
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** It's also subverted in that despite being the Avatar, Aang apparently can't specialize in each elements and unlock their full potential like Katara (healing and bloodbending), Toph (Metalbending) and Zuko (Lightingbending) can.
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** In fact, all of the classes except the Spy and perhaps the Scout can be used at least somewhat effectively with a small amount of practice.
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** Vegeta's problems are hinted to be the result of ''over''training rather than mere talent. His training is utterly ridiculous, to the point where he very nearly killed himself more than once in a training exercise taken too far. Rather than ease off a bit to recover, he dives back in the second he is able to move properly again. A bit of an HandWave, but understandable.

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