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21st Aug '17 9:17:26 PM lalaTKG
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* Averted in ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'', whete every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.

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* Averted in ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'', whete where every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.
21st Aug '17 9:16:48 PM lalaTKG
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* Averted in Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma, every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.

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* Averted in Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma, ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'', whete every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.
21st Aug '17 9:10:22 PM lalaTKG
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* ''Manga/{{Teppu}}'' is about how main character Natsuo has finally found a sport ({{MMA}}) where this trope ''doesn't'' hold for her, meaning she'll actually have to work to excel at it. This is exactly why she's interested in it. The manga otherwise has much the same attitude towards this trope as ''Holyland'' above: A good MMA fighter needs to have talent, training ''and'' experience. Natsuo has the talent, which is why she has the potential to be great at it. Her erstwhile rival Yuzuko has an expert coach and lots of training experience and hard work behind her, while Yuzuko's best friend Ringo adds a natural talent for the sport on top of it.

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* ''Manga/{{Teppu}}'' is about how main character Natsuo has finally found a sport ({{MMA}}) UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts) where this trope ''doesn't'' hold for her, meaning she'll actually have to work to excel at it. This is exactly why she's interested in it. The manga otherwise has much the same attitude towards this trope as ''Holyland'' above: A good MMA fighter needs to have talent, training ''and'' experience. Natsuo has the talent, which is why she has the potential to be great at it. Her erstwhile rival Yuzuko has an expert coach and lots of training experience and hard work behind her, while Yuzuko's best friend Ringo adds a natural talent for the sport on top of it.
21st Aug '17 8:58:30 PM lalaTKG
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** [[spoiler:And gloriously subverted with Netero himself, who managed to fight with [[BigBad Mer]][[PhysicalGod yem]] on semi-equal ground due to insanely over the top training (even bu Shonen standarts).]]

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** [[spoiler:And gloriously subverted with Netero himself, who managed to fight with [[BigBad Mer]][[PhysicalGod yem]] on semi-equal ground due to insanely over the top training (even bu by Shonen standarts).standards).]]
21st Aug '17 8:55:32 PM lalaTKG
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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' is a complete aversion, which is notable because it takes place in an MMO, which would naturally fall into this. The only way to increase your skills is to work, ''hard''. If they weren't trapped inside the game 24/7, no one would have time to get past level ten. Even though everyone desperately wants to escape from the game, they grudgingly admit that it is fair. A very in-depth review of the series pointed out that this is largely because the series was written in 2000, before ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', when MMO's were still grindfests where you could expect to do nothing but kill monsters to advance for most levels.
** And then it's played straight in both the ''Fairy Dance'' (where he is explicitly cheating by carrying over his SAO stats) and ''Phantom Bullet'' arcs ([[spoiler: where Kirito basically [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] his human enemies]]), only to averted again during ''Alicization''

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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' is a complete aversion, which is notable because it takes place in an MMO, which would naturally fall into this. The only way to increase your skills is to work, ''hard''. If they weren't trapped inside the game 24/7, no one would have time to get past level ten. Even though everyone desperately wants to escape from the game, they grudgingly admit that it is fair. A very in-depth review of the series pointed out that this is largely because the series was written in 2000, before ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', when MMO's [=MMOs=] were still grindfests where you could expect to do nothing but kill monsters to advance for most levels.
** And then it's played straight in both the ''Fairy Dance'' (where he is explicitly cheating by carrying over his SAO stats) and ''Phantom Bullet'' arcs ([[spoiler: where Kirito basically [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] his human enemies]]), only to be averted again during ''Alicization''''Alicization''.
21st Aug '17 8:54:03 PM lalaTKG
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* Medaka from ''Manga/MedakaBox'' is about the epitome of this trope. Her abilities just literally come to her be it semi-naturally or through her ability PowerCopying, which not only allows her to acquire other peoples' powers just fighting or coming into contact with them (and later [[spoiler:just by hearing some details about the ability]]) but allows her to master their ability even if the original holder hasn't done so themselves and create derivatives of them to suit her own needs [[spoiler:albeit ones that didn't take the original purpose of the ability into account]]. [[spoiler:This later comes to a head as she is considered an opponent that even an introduced GodModeSue can't beat.]] Before this series GenreShift it wasn't really touched upon, but now since becoming a battle manga, she's starting to become a Deconstruction of overpowered main characters with more sure to follow.

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* Medaka from ''Manga/MedakaBox'' is about the epitome of this trope. Her abilities just literally come to her be it semi-naturally or through her ability PowerCopying, which not only allows her to acquire other peoples' powers just fighting or coming into contact with them (and later [[spoiler:just by hearing some details about the ability]]) but allows her to master their ability even if the original holder hasn't done so themselves and create derivatives of them to suit her own needs [[spoiler:albeit ones that didn't take the original purpose of the ability into account]]. [[spoiler:This later comes to a head as she is considered an opponent that even an introduced GodModeSue can't beat.]] Before this series the series' GenreShift it wasn't really touched upon, but now since becoming a battle manga, she's starting to become somewhat of a Deconstruction of overpowered main characters with more sure characters. She does however state in the beginning that those withtalent (like herself) do work to follow.get where they are, but the work put in varies like any other person.
21st Aug '17 8:50:13 PM lalaTKG
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* Averted and then played straight in the case of Kirino in ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}''. She has been able to be a highly successful student athlete by practicing ''really'' hard, despite the lack of talent. However, after she starts being trained as a ''professional'' athlete, [[spoiler: it all falls apart as she clearly couldn't catch up those who ''also'' have real talent.]]

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* Averted and then played straight in the case of Kirino in ''LightNovel/{{Oreimo}}''. She has been able to be a highly successful student athlete by practicing ''really'' hard, despite the lack of talent. However, after she starts being trained as a ''professional'' athlete, [[spoiler: it all falls apart as she clearly couldn't catch up to those who ''also'' have real talent.]]
21st Aug '17 8:49:08 PM lalaTKG
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* Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion. Asuka is sent over the edge when Shinji's sync ratio got higher than hers even when she trained as a pilot for years. Then we found out why: it's basically revealed that Asuka was essentially piloting an Eva all wrong. The fact that she managed the highest sync ratio for any period of time is impressive and Asuka is still a better pilot than Shinji anyway. The main problem being that the series is Evangelion, where everything will always go wrong.

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* Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion.''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion''. Asuka is sent over the edge when Shinji's sync ratio got higher than hers even when she trained as a pilot for years. Then we found out why: it's basically revealed that Asuka was essentially piloting an Eva all wrong. The fact that she managed the highest sync ratio for any period of time is impressive and Asuka is still a better pilot than Shinji anyway. The main problem being that the series is Evangelion, where everything will always go wrong.
21st Aug '17 8:46:59 PM lalaTKG
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** Jack Rakan might be an aversion. Unlike Negi, who was very powerful but didn't seem to put any effort into gaining that power, Jack Rakan spent almost whole his life fighting, he almost died many times but as time passed he became more and more powerful all thanks to decades of hard work. Even Negi refers to Rakan as "The Ultimate Hard-worker"

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** Jack Rakan might be an aversion. Unlike Negi, who was very powerful but didn't seem to put any effort into gaining that power, Jack Rakan spent almost whole his life fighting, he almost died many times but as time passed he became more and more powerful all thanks to decades of hard work. Even Negi refers to Rakan as "The Ultimate Hard-worker"Hard-worker".
21st Aug '17 8:45:23 PM lalaTKG
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** The ''one'' time he ''did'' prepare and use a coherent strategy, in the second duel with Ryo, it didn't work. Ryo commented that t was a disappointment and told him to go back to dueling the way he did before. (He took this advice to heart and managed to end it in a draw.)

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** The ''one'' time he ''did'' prepare and use a coherent strategy, in the second duel with Ryo, it didn't work. Ryo commented that t it was a disappointment and told him to go back to dueling the way he did before. (He took this advice to heart and managed to end it in a draw.)
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