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12th May '17 9:02:31 AM Divra
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*** Double Subverted with regards to Nene. She failed because she worked hard, but at the wrong things. As the heir to an ancient and proud culinary tradition, she focused on learning to cook her forbears' recipes to perfection, but never regarded how her customers would regard those dishes, or how they could be improved or adapted to different circumstances.
10th May '17 10:45:37 AM theknack101
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* ''VideoGame/RadiataStories'' subverts this. Every HopelessBossFight is against people older, or at least more experienced, than the protagonist. Gerald personally defies it

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* ''VideoGame/RadiataStories'' subverts this. Every HopelessBossFight is against people older, or at least more experienced, than the protagonist. And there are many hopeless boss fights, even in the late game (in one path). Gerald personally defies itit.
--> '''Jack:'''(After getting utterly defeated in his entrance exam to the warrior guild.)Aw man! I didn't even come close to winning.
--> '''Gerald:'''What did you expect fool? I was a swordsman years before you were born.
19th Apr '17 6:53:35 PM Kereea1
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* Played with and ultimately averted in ''Manga/AssassinationClassroom''. Class 3E's hard work does pay off at the very end with every student making the top fifty spots in the school, but the weakest student in the class (Terasaka) stays the weakest academically and Karma, who is naturally gifted, stays at the top. It's in comparison to the rest of the school that they gained, not so much in comparison to each other.
** Karma managed to place thirteenth in the entire school for the first term's finals without even studying...but this is treated as failure since ''everyone knew he could have done better if he tried'', having been fourth place on the midterms. It's only when he studies that he can claim the top spot in the school.
** The four class slackers decide to place top of a subject in the midterms...in the elective of home ec; which is then subverted as it's revealed they would have had to have studied past testing trends to score so well on such a subjective course and thus worked just as hard as their classmates. The other top scorers are all noted as having natural talent in their preferred subjects on top of their studying.
** Class A has an advantage due to being more naturally gifted in the style of study promoted by the school and having special cram sessions. During the second finals, A Class trains ''too hard'' and end up burning out by the latter half of the tests since they can't sustain their energy anymore.
** Played straighter in regards to assassination techniques. No matter how hard he tries, Karma is simply not the natural assassin Nagisa is; for all his raw strength and brains Karma cannot master the elements of surprise and the speed Nagisa has at his disposal. Nagisa not acknowledging his natural talent actually acts as a minor BerserkButton for Karma in the class civil war.
14th Apr '17 10:17:53 PM greatpikminfan
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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Papyrus and Sans are royal guards for King Asgore. Papyrus takes his job seriously and practices constantly, both at work and at his cooking skills, but never seems to get any better at either of them. Sans bums around, flat-out ''refuses'' to do his job, and takes laziness to what other tropers describe as an art form; not only does he cook delicious hot dogs, [[spoiler:he is ''by far'' the strongest single entity on the planet, serving as the TrueFinalBoss of the KillEmAll ending.]] While not thematically related, he's also stronger than [[spoiler: Flowey, the BigBad, who has spent a century or two trying to manipulate an EternalRecurrence to his favor; the Fallen Child, the GreaterScopeVillain, who has been training in the afterlife about as long as Flowey; and the player character, who is required to go LevelGrinding no fewer than ''nineteen'' levels to even be allowed to battle Sans. Only a FusionDance of Fallen Child and player character is enough to finally bring Sans down.]]

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'': Papyrus and Sans are royal guards for King Asgore. Papyrus takes his job seriously and practices constantly, both at work and at his cooking skills, but never seems to get any better at either of them. Sans bums around, flat-out ''refuses'' to do his job, and takes laziness to what other tropers describe as an art form; not only does he cook delicious hot dogs, [[spoiler:he is ''by far'' the strongest single entity on the planet, serving as the TrueFinalBoss of the KillEmAll ending.]] While not thematically related, he's also stronger than [[spoiler: Flowey, the BigBad, who has spent a century or two trying to manipulate an EternalRecurrence to his favor; the Fallen Child, the GreaterScopeVillain, who has been training in the afterlife about as long as Flowey; and the player character, who is required to go LevelGrinding no fewer than ''nineteen'' levels to even be allowed to battle Sans. Only a FusionDance of the Fallen Child and the player character is enough to finally bring Sans down.down. The battle part is justified in that Sans ''cheats'' with the mechanics of the game. By the game's stats, he only has one attack point and one defense point, implying that his lack of work really ''does'' result in him being weaker... on paper. In-game, he gets around the latter by simply side-stepping attacks, which no other enemy does, and he gets around the former with a combination of bypassing Mercy Invincibility and overly long attacks that require fast reflexes to dodge.]]
29th Mar '17 5:35:51 AM Kereea1
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** Also played with in ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'' in regards to Zelda. She was initially fiercely jealous of Link for so easily being chosen by the Master Sword when she's worked for years to awaken her own powers to no avail. It's heavily implied in game that her father forcing her to try and awaken said powers by constantly praying to Hylia and putting immense pressure on her is what stopped her from awakening them sooner. Not only does hard work hardly work, it was quite likely actually impeding her!
22nd Mar '17 6:02:39 PM PlasmaTalon
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* Charm Caster in ''WesternAnimation/Ben10'' spent years learning magic. Gwen meanwhile is naturally talented and can do it without any training. Justified since she is part Anodite, aliens who are literally made of magic.
18th Mar '17 10:51:26 PM Gamermaster
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*** The third season then subverts it; apparently all that built up stress and exhaustion caught up to her years later, nearly killing her on a routine mission.

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*** The third season then subverts it; apparently all that built up stress and exhaustion [[HeroicRROD caught up to her years later, later]], nearly killing her on a routine mission.



** This is Jill Stola's personal philosophy in ''Anime/VividStrike'', and is one of the things that Nove disagrees with her on.

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** This is Jill Stola's personal philosophy in ''Anime/VividStrike'', and is one of the things that Nove disagrees with her on. The irony being that Jill earned her skill while Nove is a genetically enhanced combat cyborg. Then again, Nove is close friends with - and was originally defeated by - Teana, so she knows first hand that this trope doesn't always apply.
17th Mar '17 6:45:58 PM nombretomado
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* Played with in the {{Nasuverse}}. Archer trained and fought and worked his entire life and eventually became who he is today. Tohsaka, in contrast, is a played straight counterexample of what geniuses can do compared to a normal person, does work hard but doesn't need to and not nearly as hard as Shirou.
** This is also true of Nasuverse mages in general, at least in the case of the Magic Association. The main way of becoming a good magus is to inherit a magic crest from your ancestor, to the point that, in general, a magus family will only train one successor ([[spoiler:hence why Sakura was given away to the Matou family]]). Good training can help, but to get anywhere in the Association, you have to be the heir of a prestigious family.

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Played with in the {{Nasuverse}}. with, as Archer trained and fought and worked his entire life and eventually became who he is today. Tohsaka, in contrast, is a played straight counterexample of what geniuses can do compared to a normal person, does work hard but doesn't need to and not nearly as hard as Shirou.
** This is also true of Nasuverse mages in general, at least in the case of the Magic Association. The main way of becoming a good magus is to inherit a magic crest from your ancestor, to the point that, in general, a magus family will only train one successor ([[spoiler:hence why Sakura was given away to the Matou family]]). Good training can help, but to get anywhere in the Association, you have to be the heir of a prestigious family.
10th Mar '17 1:54:02 PM XATMOS
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** This is shown to be the underlying relationship between Soma and his father Joichirou. While Joichirou was considered to be the most talented member of the Polar Star Dorm, he considers his son to be the better image of a chef that would surpass himself. The reason is that while his son was nowhere near as talented as he was in his youth, it is his greater sense of hard work and perseverance that made him a better chef.
6th Mar '17 1:11:39 AM DeepRed
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* Australian comedian TimMinchin, at his 2013 honorary degree ceremony at the University of Western Australia, [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yoEezZD71sc delivered a speech]] about making it through university as being "all luck".
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