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4th Nov '17 8:57:32 AM Jeduthun
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** Gladwell has pointed out in interviews that it's often overlooked that his point about 10,000 hours is meant to support a larger point: No one could possibly devote 10,000 hours of work to a single task unless they have a solid support system in place. Practice may make perfect, but it doesn't pay the bills.
1st Nov '17 7:37:39 PM darkemyst
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** Ron doesn't excel at school subjects or sports because he's playing Wizard Chess, which he excels at.

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** Ron doesn't excel at school subjects or sports because he's playing Wizard Chess, which he excels at.at and he eventually becomes an excellent Quidditch Keeper and his grades are mostly passable to good, he's just OvershadowedByAwesome.
** Neville seems to be playing this straight until ''Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix''. Give Neville a reason to work, and he will give you results. When Bellatrix Lestrange escaped from Azkaban Neville was given sufficient reason to become a fighter; his subsequent focus and training caused him to improve himself almost as fast as ''Hermione'' and Harry considered this sudden change to be quite alarming. This was also the book in which it was revealed he'd been using a wand that hadn't chosen him meaning he'd had the distinct disadvantage of dealing with a wand that was fighting him this whole time.
15th Oct '17 11:43:58 AM RoseAndHeather
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* Hillary Clinton, who spent her life in politics, losing the 2016 election to Donald Trump, who only got a real start in politics last year. Granted, this is widely believed to be the result of the aforementioned "Work Smarter, Not Harder" [[note]]Clinton, while far more experienced, nevertheless hadn't become so without gaining quite the [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment controversial]] reputation; meanwhile, Trump was savvy enough to capitalize on his darkhorse/wildcard status and reach out to those disillusioned by both the Obama Administration (which Clinton strongly supported and had even worked for) and "the establishment" in general.[[/note]].

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* Hillary Clinton, who spent her life in politics, losing the 2016 election to Donald Trump, who only got a real start in politics last year. Granted, this is widely believed to be the result of the aforementioned "Work Smarter, Not Harder" [[note]]Clinton, while far more experienced, nevertheless hadn't become so without gaining quite the [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment controversial]] reputation; meanwhile, Trump was savvy enough to capitalize on his darkhorse/wildcard status and reach out to those disillusioned by both the Obama Administration (which Clinton strongly supported and had even worked for) and "the establishment" in general. Of course, within weeks the fledgling Trump administration was mired in multiple criminal and political scandals that kicked off both Congressional and independent investigations, and has been shedding high-level staff like a dog sheds hair, so perhaps it's averted after all.[[/note]].
20th Sep '17 5:46:24 PM ReaderAt2046
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* The FanFic/TriptychContinuum version of Trixie Lulamoon gets screwed over ''hard'' by this trope. In the Continuum, a pony's magical strength is fixed from birth, and no amount of exercise, practice, or effort will ever improve it. Trixie's talent provides her with an unending supply of ideas for new spells, but she knows that she will never be able to cast most of those spells.
9th Sep '17 12:56:22 PM Ilya_Rysenkov
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* Seen in the ''[[Literature/TheWheelOfTime Wheel of Time]]'' series:

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* Seen Averted in Dmitirii Emets ''Methodius Buslaev'' books. The reason that [[OurDemonsAreDifferent Guardians of Gloom]] and [[OurAngelsAreDifferent Guardians of Light]] are so skilled in battle is that they have ''thousands'' of years in training.
** The best of
the ''[[Literature/TheWheelOfTime Wheel Guarians of Time]]'' series:Gloom, Ares, is a God of War because that he constantly trains and fights. And even then it's stated that he can be killed if his opponents are enough skilled or have enough numbers.
21st Aug '17 9:17:26 PM lalaTKG
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* Averted in ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'', whete every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.

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* Averted in ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'', whete where every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.
21st Aug '17 9:16:48 PM lalaTKG
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* Averted in Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma, every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.

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* Averted in Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma, ''Manga/ShokugekiNoSoma'', whete every single exceptionally skilled chef is constantly shown to be making improvements to their cooking styles and that even if they are "gifted", the moment when they stop trying to improve is when their skills begin to stagnate. [[TheHero Soma]] even points out in the beginning of the series that even if the other students have been studying fine cuisine since middle school, he's been cooking in the kitchen for ''twelve'' years and definitely outperforms a significant portion of the student body as a result. Despite being among the best students in the whole school, Soma is always finding ways to improve his recipes and continues to aim to overcome the handful students that are better than him.
21st Aug '17 9:10:22 PM lalaTKG
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* ''Manga/{{Teppu}}'' is about how main character Natsuo has finally found a sport ({{MMA}}) where this trope ''doesn't'' hold for her, meaning she'll actually have to work to excel at it. This is exactly why she's interested in it. The manga otherwise has much the same attitude towards this trope as ''Holyland'' above: A good MMA fighter needs to have talent, training ''and'' experience. Natsuo has the talent, which is why she has the potential to be great at it. Her erstwhile rival Yuzuko has an expert coach and lots of training experience and hard work behind her, while Yuzuko's best friend Ringo adds a natural talent for the sport on top of it.

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* ''Manga/{{Teppu}}'' is about how main character Natsuo has finally found a sport ({{MMA}}) UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts) where this trope ''doesn't'' hold for her, meaning she'll actually have to work to excel at it. This is exactly why she's interested in it. The manga otherwise has much the same attitude towards this trope as ''Holyland'' above: A good MMA fighter needs to have talent, training ''and'' experience. Natsuo has the talent, which is why she has the potential to be great at it. Her erstwhile rival Yuzuko has an expert coach and lots of training experience and hard work behind her, while Yuzuko's best friend Ringo adds a natural talent for the sport on top of it.
21st Aug '17 8:58:30 PM lalaTKG
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** [[spoiler:And gloriously subverted with Netero himself, who managed to fight with [[BigBad Mer]][[PhysicalGod yem]] on semi-equal ground due to insanely over the top training (even bu Shonen standarts).]]

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** [[spoiler:And gloriously subverted with Netero himself, who managed to fight with [[BigBad Mer]][[PhysicalGod yem]] on semi-equal ground due to insanely over the top training (even bu by Shonen standarts).standards).]]
21st Aug '17 8:55:32 PM lalaTKG
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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' is a complete aversion, which is notable because it takes place in an MMO, which would naturally fall into this. The only way to increase your skills is to work, ''hard''. If they weren't trapped inside the game 24/7, no one would have time to get past level ten. Even though everyone desperately wants to escape from the game, they grudgingly admit that it is fair. A very in-depth review of the series pointed out that this is largely because the series was written in 2000, before ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', when MMO's were still grindfests where you could expect to do nothing but kill monsters to advance for most levels.
** And then it's played straight in both the ''Fairy Dance'' (where he is explicitly cheating by carrying over his SAO stats) and ''Phantom Bullet'' arcs ([[spoiler: where Kirito basically [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] his human enemies]]), only to averted again during ''Alicization''

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* ''LightNovel/SwordArtOnline'' is a complete aversion, which is notable because it takes place in an MMO, which would naturally fall into this. The only way to increase your skills is to work, ''hard''. If they weren't trapped inside the game 24/7, no one would have time to get past level ten. Even though everyone desperately wants to escape from the game, they grudgingly admit that it is fair. A very in-depth review of the series pointed out that this is largely because the series was written in 2000, before ''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft'', when MMO's [=MMOs=] were still grindfests where you could expect to do nothing but kill monsters to advance for most levels.
** And then it's played straight in both the ''Fairy Dance'' (where he is explicitly cheating by carrying over his SAO stats) and ''Phantom Bullet'' arcs ([[spoiler: where Kirito basically [[CurbStompBattle curb-stomps]] his human enemies]]), only to be averted again during ''Alicization''''Alicization''.
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