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30th Mar '18 7:46:21 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''VideoGame/AlienIsolation'' sets itself apart from every other ''Alien'' franchise video game by being a survival-horror game with an emphasis on avoiding combat as much as possible. There ''are'' guns, and they ''can'' kill, but you will quickly learn that using them often carries more risk than reward. While organizations like the [[SpaceMarines Colonial Marines]] are equipped with automatic and heavy weapons that are specifically designed to take out light-armored enemies, Sevastapol is a civilian-owned facility and it's marshals use weapons and ammunition with the lowest possible risk of causing a hull breach, which is unfortunately exactly the kind of firepower needed to kill a xenomorph. At best, Ripley gets a 6-cylinder revolver, a 4-shell shotgun, and a jury-rigged bolt gun- none of which deal any damage to the xenomorph (who will kill you the moment it touches you), and all of which will alert it to your presence. There are only 2 uses for the guns- killing hostile civilians and destroying hostile Working Joes. In either case, distracting them is better, while sneaking past them is the best option. At best, the flamethrower shines as the only weapon (besides explosives) that will scare the xenomorph off... as long as you have fuel.

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* ''VideoGame/AlienIsolation'' sets itself apart from every other ''Alien'' franchise video game by being a survival-horror game with an emphasis on avoiding combat as much as possible. There ''are'' guns, and they ''can'' kill, but you will quickly learn that using them often carries more risk than reward. While organizations like the [[SpaceMarines Colonial Marines]] are equipped with automatic and heavy weapons that are specifically designed to take out light-armored enemies, Sevastapol is a civilian-owned facility and it's its marshals use weapons and ammunition with the lowest possible risk of causing a hull breach, which is unfortunately exactly the kind of firepower needed to kill a xenomorph. At best, Ripley gets a 6-cylinder revolver, a 4-shell shotgun, and a jury-rigged bolt gun- none of which deal any damage to the xenomorph (who will kill you the moment it touches you), and all of which will alert it to your presence. There are only 2 uses for the guns- killing hostile civilians and destroying hostile Working Joes. In either case, distracting them is better, while sneaking past them is the best option. At best, the flamethrower shines as the only weapon (besides explosives) that will scare the xenomorph off... as long as you have fuel.
14th Mar '18 10:55:54 AM Jacob175
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Compare ArbitraryGunPower, NeverBringAKnifeToAFistfight, and contrast TheLethalConnotationOfGunsAndOthers, MugglesDoItBetter. See also ElegantWeaponForAMoreCmbatPragmatist fights exclusively with non-magical guns and explosives]], and is easily the most effective witch-killer. [[spoiler:Though it still isn't enough to single-handedly beat Walpurgisnacht.]] Mami's magical guns are also very powerful. Sayaka does pretty well with just swords, but she mentions how dangerous it is to be so close to her opponent, especially when Homura is setting off bombs in its face.

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Compare ArbitraryGunPower, NeverBringAKnifeToAFistfight, and contrast TheLethalConnotationOfGunsAndOthers, MugglesDoItBetter. See also ElegantWeaponForAMoreCmbatPragmatist ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge. Usually used to justify WhyDontYouJustShootHim.

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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* Elie, the main female in ''Manga/RaveMaster'', wields two guns with exploding ammo. They win her all of one fight and are only of notable aid once. They hammer this home by having the BigBad catch one of her bullets in his teeth when fired from too short a range to dodge.
* ''Webcomic/TowerOfGod'' - Despite Levin being very successful with his rifle on the first few floors, almost nobody uses them and much rather prefers [[JavelinThrower throwing spears]] as ranged weapons. The reasoning goes as follows: Air surrogate and AppliedPhlebotinum Shinsoo has weird physical properties… such as getting denser and more viscose the higher you climb the Tower. Living beings can adapt to these change, build a natural resistance against Shinsoo and get stronger, so that their spears are more powerful. It needs to be mentioned that people get [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower REALLY]] powerful while climbing the Tower. The power of guns, however, is limited, also they are quite expensive. And then there is that idiot that showed up for a death match with a [[TooDumbToLive literal marble shooter.]]
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' occasionally has the Evangelions fight the angels with firearms, ranging from pistols to multi-shot bazookas and ''really'' huge sniper rifles. The shell casings from the Evangelions' weapons can crush cars, but the actual rounds do nearly nothing against the Angels. The Evas' [[VibroWeapon Progressive Knives]] have killed more Angels than the skyscraper-sized rifles.
** Granted, Shinji uses a rifle to great effect against Matariel, and the positron cannon works extremely well...but requires all the electricity in Japan to fire.
** This makes some sense as close range is required to dissolve an angel's AT Field.
*** Lampshaded in ''WebVideo/EvangelionAbridged''.
---> '''Asuka''': "Why am I armed with a spear?"\\
'''Shinji''': "Believe me. ''Any'' pointy object is more effective than a gun. Especially a Gatling gun."
* ''Manga/OnePiece:''
** The manga is an odd case where guns aren't worthless, in and of themselves. The times we see bullets actually connect they ''do'' cause damage. The problem is that everyone in the series that gets guns used against them can either [[{{Determinator}} power through the injury]], DodgeTheBullet, or are just flat out ImmuneToBullets by virtue of a Devil Fruit power or other factor. Just as frequently, the bullets just whiz by them, even when they appear to be going right through them.
** Played with in regards with a fishman pirate named [[spoiler: Fisher Tiger]], who died after getting shot repeatedly. The character was able to withstand the bullet wounds themselves just fine but eventually succumbed to blood loss.
** There are some characters that manage to make more or less regular bullet-firing guns work as very effective weapons, for instance Van Auger and several members of the Red-Hair Pirates. So it's not that guns specifically are poor weapons, just that personal strength is more important than weapon strength and guns aren't an especially common WeaponOfChoice.
** Donquixote Rocinante dies this way, from a combination of blood loss from multiple shots to the back coupled with later being shot point blank by his brother Doflamingo.
* Very much played straight in ''Manga/DragonBall''. In fact, this trope was used as early as the first chapter, where Goku cries out in annoyance from all the bullets shot at him by Bulma.
* ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar:''
** Guns are useless for the simple reason that there's no ammo left. Jagi carries a shotgun for the intimidation value, but he prefers PistolWhipping with it rather than shooting - he may not actually ''have'' shells. In fact, he manages to pull the trigger ''once''. It misfires.
** Played ''completely'' straight in an earlier arc, where Jackal takes a ''headshot,'' while running full tilt on a motorcycle, no less, which does little more than infuriate him.
* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'':
** Guns are used by many characters in the series but can seem ineffective, mostly because they're being used against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], who are all but immune to normal bullets or, more specifically, against Alucard, who has an extremely powerful HealingFactor. Weapons loaded with [[DepletedPhlebotinumShells silver or blessed ammunition]] have more effect. Speaking generally, except for [[BayonetYa Anderson]] (whose blades ''are'' silver and blessed), [[RazorFloss Walter]] and [[DeathDealer Alhambra]] ([[spoiler:all of whom were defeated by the gun-welding Alucard]]), any character who does ''not'' fight using guns might as well not bother.
** Averted by Alucard's pair of absolutely ''[[HandCannon massive]]'' handguns, which are devastatingly effective against more or less anything. Justified, as one is loaded with .454 Casull rounds made from melted-down silver crosses, and the other weighs sixteen kilograms and fires explosive rounds that can demolish ''walls''.
* The ''Anime/BlackRockShooter'' TV anime. Characters routinely shrug off getting hit by dozens of bullets. Sure, everyone is MadeOfIron, but melee attacks are shown to hurt, and even kill.
* This could explain why many Nations in ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' seem to prefer melee over firearms (with the likes of Switzerland more of the exception). Especially since they could apparently withstand headshots with little to no permanent side-effects.
* In the first chapter of his titular series, Manga/{{Toriko}} tells his sidekick Komatsu that the beast they're hunting, or anything else in the hunting ground, can't be harmed by a gun.
* Averted in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. Homura [[CombatPragmatist
fights exclusively with non-magical guns and explosives]], and is easily the most effective witch-killer. [[spoiler:Though it still isn't enough to single-handedly beat Walpurgisnacht.]] Mami's magical guns are also very powerful. Sayaka does pretty well with just swords, but she mentions how dangerous it is to be so close to her opponent, especially when Homura is setting off bombs in its face.



* This trope is a given in the vast majority of {{Superhero}} comics, where many super-powered characters can often use their abilities to avoid being hit, can fight back with much more effective weapons and powers or are just plain ImmuneToBullets. ShootingSuperman is the frequent result, and nine out of every attempt by ordinary criminals to attack superheroes and ordinary police officers and security guards to attack supervillains end up with the {{Muggles}} getting their asses kicked.

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* This trope is a given in the vast majority of {{Superhero}} comics, where many super-powered characters can often use their abilities to avoid being hit, can fight back with much more effective weapons and powers or are just plain ImmuneToBullets. ShootingSuperman is the frequent result, and nine out of every attempt ten attempts by ordinary criminals to attack superheroes and ordinary police officers and security guards to attack supervillains end up with the {{Muggles}} getting their asses kicked.



** Against Jedi, Sith and other Force users, blasters are ''almost'' worthless, as such individuals can deflect blaster bolts with their lightsabers (and even send them back at the shooter), or, in some cases just plain block them ''bare-handed''. It takes a lot of blasters, or a few fast-firing ones, to overwhelm a Force user via MoreDakka blasters are useless unless present in large amounts.

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** Against Jedi, Sith and other Force users, blasters are ''almost'' worthless, as such individuals can deflect blaster bolts with their lightsabers (and even send them back at the shooter), or, in some cases just plain block them ''bare-handed''. It takes a lot of blasters, or a few fast-firing ones, to overwhelm a Force user via MoreDakka MoreDakka. So blasters are useless unless present in large amounts.



* Possibly averted in ''Series/StarTrek'' in that the Borg can adapt to energy weapons, but are seemingly vulnerable to bullets and blades. Ranged weapons in general in later Treks don't pack the punch you'd expect them to. Whether it's energy weapons or actual bullets, PlotArmor is in full effect.

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* Possibly averted in ''Series/StarTrek'' ''Franchise/StarTrek'' in that the Borg can adapt to energy weapons, but are seemingly vulnerable to bullets and blades. Ranged weapons in general in later Treks don't pack the punch you'd expect them to. Whether it's energy weapons or actual bullets, PlotArmor is in full effect.



* Rule 16 of [[OrphanedSeries the]] ''[[SonicTheHedgehog Freedom]] [[IThoughtItMeant Fighters]]'': Encyclopedic knowledge of firearms means nothing in a world where all the guns are permanently set to "bitchslap".

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* Rule 16 of [[OrphanedSeries the]] ''[[SonicTheHedgehog ''[[Franchise/SonicTheHedgehog Freedom]] [[IThoughtItMeant Fighters]]'': Encyclopedic knowledge of firearms means nothing in a world where all the guns are permanently set to "bitchslap".



* Considering that nearly every character's weapon in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' is [[MixAndMatchWeapon also a gun]], the series zigzags this trope to Hell and back. For the most part, the gun part of everyone's weapons typically does little damage to whatever enemy they're going up against. [[TheQuietOne Lie Ren]] for example plays this completely straight, as his [[GunsAkimbo sub-machine gun blades]] never do anything other than annoy his opponent. A notable aversion comes in the form of [[TheFashionista Coco Adel]], who's [[GatlingGood minigun]]/purse is lethal enough to make mulch out of enormous Grimm who were previously shown to be MadeOfIron.

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* Considering that nearly every character's weapon in ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' is [[MixAndMatchWeapon also a gun]], the series zigzags this trope to Hell and back. For the most part, the gun part of everyone's weapons typically does little damage to whatever enemy they're going up against. [[TheQuietOne Lie Ren]] for example plays this completely straight, as his [[GunsAkimbo sub-machine gun blades]] never do anything other than annoy his opponent. A notable aversion comes in the form of [[TheFashionista Coco Adel]], who's whose [[GatlingGood minigun]]/purse is lethal enough to make mulch out of enormous Grimm who were previously shown to be MadeOfIron.



* There was an [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar American Civil War]] -era general who once said that you can be fired at all day by a musket and not realize it.

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* There was an [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanCivilWar American Civil War]] -era War]]-era general who once said that you can be fired at all day by a musket and not realize it.



** Crime committed with a gun tends also to attract much more attention, since it is rare, thus making it more probable to be caught. And having a gun allows the police to act more freely with their own - yes, the typical pair of British coppers walking around town are unarmed. But threatening one with a gun is an automatic gaol sentence, and wounding or [[CopKiller killing]] one is liable to get you put away forever. Moreover their police district's Armed Response Team is, you guessed it, like something straight out of America and it's a pretty small country - fleeing a district is virtually impossible with even a basic cordon. In short guns aren't ''worthless'' in states that regulate and restrict their use, but the governments of such states do their best to ensure that they're ''[[AwesomeButImpractical way]]'' [[AwesomeButImpractical more trouble than they're worth.]]

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** Crime committed with a gun tends also to attract much more attention, since it is rare, thus making it more probable to be caught. And having a gun allows the police to act more freely with their own - yes, the typical pair of British coppers walking around town are unarmed. But threatening one with a gun is an automatic gaol sentence, and wounding or [[CopKiller killing]] one is liable to get you put away forever. Moreover their police district's Armed Response Team is, you guessed it, like something straight out of America and it's a pretty small country - fleeing a district is virtually impossible with even a basic cordon. In short short, guns aren't ''worthless'' in states that regulate and restrict their use, but the governments of such states do their best to ensure that they're ''[[AwesomeButImpractical way]]'' [[AwesomeButImpractical more trouble than they're worth.]]
13th Mar '18 5:44:22 PM LlamaAdventure
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* Completely averted in ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'', where guns are extremely powerful and can take down most enemies in 1 or 2 shots, the downsides being their relative rarity compared to melee weapons, their tendency to cause enemies [[BoomHeadshot heads to explode]], which prevents players from extracting Nekro from them, and the fact that there's nothing stopping your enemies from picking up any guns found on the floor and using them against you to only slightly-less effect.

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* Completely averted in BeatEmUp ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'', where guns are extremely powerful and can take down most enemies in 1 or 2 shots, the downsides being their relative rarity compared to melee weapons, their tendency to cause enemies [[BoomHeadshot heads to explode]], which prevents players from extracting Nekro from them, and the fact that there's nothing stopping your enemies from picking up any guns found on the floor and using them against you to only slightly-less effect.
13th Mar '18 5:36:22 PM LlamaAdventure
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Compare ArbitraryGunPower, NeverBringAKnifeToAFistfight, and contrast TheLethalConnotationOfGunsAndOthers, MugglesDoItBetter. See also ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge and FantasyGunControl. This trope is often an attempt to avert WhyDontYouJustShootHim.

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!!Examples:

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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* Elie, the main female in ''Manga/RaveMaster'', wields two guns with exploding ammo. They win her all of one fight and are only of notable aid once. They hammer this home by having the BigBad catch one of her bullets in his teeth when fired from too short a range to dodge.
* ''Webcomic/TowerOfGod'' - Despite Levin being very successful with his rifle on the first few floors, almost nobody uses them and much rather prefers [[JavelinThrower throwing spears]] as ranged weapons. The reasoning goes as follows: Air surrogate and AppliedPhlebotinum Shinsoo has weird physical properties… such as getting denser and more viscose the higher you climb the Tower. Living beings can adapt to these change, build a natural resistance against Shinsoo and get stronger, so that their spears are more powerful. It needs to be mentioned that people get [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower REALLY]] powerful while climbing the Tower. The power of guns, however, is limited, also they are quite expensive. And then there is that idiot that showed up for a death match with a [[TooDumbToLive literal marble shooter.]]
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' occasionally has the Evangelions fight the angels with firearms, ranging from pistols to multi-shot bazookas and ''really'' huge sniper rifles. The shell casings from the Evangelions' weapons can crush cars, but the actual rounds do nearly nothing against the Angels. The Evas' [[VibroWeapon Progressive Knives]] have killed more Angels than the skyscraper-sized rifles.
** Granted, Shinji uses a rifle to great effect against Matariel, and the positron cannon works extremely well...but requires all the electricity in Japan to fire.
** This makes some sense as close range is required to dissolve an angel's AT Field.
*** Lampshaded in ''WebVideo/EvangelionAbridged''.
---> '''Asuka''': "Why am I armed with a spear?"\\
'''Shinji''': "Believe me. ''Any'' pointy object is more effective than a gun. Especially a Gatling gun."
* ''Manga/OnePiece:''
** The manga is an odd case where guns aren't worthless, in and of themselves. The times we see bullets actually connect they ''do'' cause damage. The problem is that everyone in the series that gets guns used against them can either [[{{Determinator}} power through the injury]], DodgeTheBullet, or are just flat out ImmuneToBullets by virtue of a Devil Fruit power or other factor. Just as frequently, the bullets just whiz by them, even when they appear to be going right through them.
** Played with in regards with a fishman pirate named [[spoiler: Fisher Tiger]], who died after getting shot repeatedly. The character was able to withstand the bullet wounds themselves just fine but eventually succumbed to blood loss.
** There are some characters that manage to make more or less regular bullet-firing guns work as very effective weapons, for instance Van Auger and several members of the Red-Hair Pirates. So it's not that guns specifically are poor weapons, just that personal strength is more important than weapon strength and guns aren't an especially common WeaponOfChoice.
** Donquixote Rocinante dies this way, from a combination of blood loss from multiple shots to the back coupled with later being shot point blank by his brother Doflamingo.
* Very much played straight in ''Manga/DragonBall''. In fact, this trope was used as early as the first chapter, where Goku cries out in annoyance from all the bullets shot at him by Bulma.
* ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar:''
** Guns are useless for the simple reason that there's no ammo left. Jagi carries a shotgun for the intimidation value, but he prefers PistolWhipping with it rather than shooting - he may not actually ''have'' shells. In fact, he manages to pull the trigger ''once''. It misfires.
** Played ''completely'' straight in an earlier arc, where Jackal takes a ''headshot,'' while running full tilt on a motorcycle, no less, which does little more than infuriate him.
* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'':
** Guns are used by many characters in the series but can seem ineffective, mostly because they're being used against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], who are all but immune to normal bullets or, more specifically, against Alucard, who has an extremely powerful HealingFactor. Weapons loaded with [[DepletedPhlebotinumShells silver or blessed ammunition]] have more effect. Speaking generally, except for [[BayonetYa Anderson]] (whose blades ''are'' silver and blessed), [[RazorFloss Walter]] and [[DeathDealer Alhambra]] ([[spoiler:all of whom were defeated by the gun-welding Alucard]]), any character who does ''not'' fight using guns might as well not bother.
** Averted by Alucard's pair of absolutely ''[[HandCannon massive]]'' handguns, which are devastatingly effective against more or less anything. Justified, as one is loaded with .454 Casull rounds made from melted-down silver crosses, and the other weighs sixteen kilograms and fires explosive rounds that can demolish ''walls''.
* The ''Anime/BlackRockShooter'' TV anime. Characters routinely shrug off getting hit by dozens of bullets. Sure, everyone is MadeOfIron, but melee attacks are shown to hurt, and even kill.
* This could explain why many Nations in ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' seem to prefer melee over firearms (with the likes of Switzerland more of the exception). Especially since they could apparently withstand headshots with little to no permanent side-effects.
* In the first chapter of his titular series, Manga/{{Toriko}} tells his sidekick Komatsu that the beast they're hunting, or anything else in the hunting ground, can't be harmed by a gun.
* Averted in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. Homura [[CombatPragmatist fights exclusively with non-magical guns and explosives]], and is easily the most effective witch-killer. [[spoiler:Though it still isn't enough to single-handedly beat Walpurgisnacht.]] Mami's magical guns are also very powerful. Sayaka does pretty well with just swords, but she mentions how dangerous it is to be so close to her opponent, especially when Homura is setting off bombs in its face.

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Compare ArbitraryGunPower, NeverBringAKnifeToAFistfight, and contrast TheLethalConnotationOfGunsAndOthers, MugglesDoItBetter. See also ElegantWeaponForAMoreCivilizedAge and FantasyGunControl. This trope is often an attempt to avert WhyDontYouJustShootHim.

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!!Examples:

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[[folder:Anime and Manga]]
* Elie, the main female in ''Manga/RaveMaster'', wields two guns with exploding ammo. They win her all of one fight and are only of notable aid once. They hammer this home by having the BigBad catch one of her bullets in his teeth when fired from too short a range to dodge.
* ''Webcomic/TowerOfGod'' - Despite Levin being very successful with his rifle on the first few floors, almost nobody uses them and much rather prefers [[JavelinThrower throwing spears]] as ranged weapons. The reasoning goes as follows: Air surrogate and AppliedPhlebotinum Shinsoo has weird physical properties… such as getting denser and more viscose the higher you climb the Tower. Living beings can adapt to these change, build a natural resistance against Shinsoo and get stronger, so that their spears are more powerful. It needs to be mentioned that people get [[CharlesAtlasSuperpower REALLY]] powerful while climbing the Tower. The power of guns, however, is limited, also they are quite expensive. And then there is that idiot that showed up for a death match with a [[TooDumbToLive literal marble shooter.]]
* ''Anime/NeonGenesisEvangelion'' occasionally has the Evangelions fight the angels with firearms, ranging from pistols to multi-shot bazookas and ''really'' huge sniper rifles. The shell casings from the Evangelions' weapons can crush cars, but the actual rounds do nearly nothing against the Angels. The Evas' [[VibroWeapon Progressive Knives]] have killed more Angels than the skyscraper-sized rifles.
** Granted, Shinji uses a rifle to great effect against Matariel, and the positron cannon works extremely well...but requires all the electricity in Japan to fire.
** This makes some sense as close range is required to dissolve an angel's AT Field.
*** Lampshaded in ''WebVideo/EvangelionAbridged''.
---> '''Asuka''': "Why am I armed with a spear?"\\
'''Shinji''': "Believe me. ''Any'' pointy object is more effective than a gun. Especially a Gatling gun."
* ''Manga/OnePiece:''
** The manga is an odd case where guns aren't worthless, in and of themselves. The times we see bullets actually connect they ''do'' cause damage. The problem is that everyone in the series that gets guns used against them can either [[{{Determinator}} power through the injury]], DodgeTheBullet, or are just flat out ImmuneToBullets by virtue of a Devil Fruit power or other factor. Just as frequently, the bullets just whiz by them, even when they appear to be going right through them.
** Played with in regards with a fishman pirate named [[spoiler: Fisher Tiger]], who died after getting shot repeatedly. The character was able to withstand the bullet wounds themselves just fine but eventually succumbed to blood loss.
** There are some characters that manage to make more or less regular bullet-firing guns work as very effective weapons, for instance Van Auger and several members of the Red-Hair Pirates. So it's not that guns specifically are poor weapons, just that personal strength is more important than weapon strength and guns aren't an especially common WeaponOfChoice.
** Donquixote Rocinante dies this way, from a combination of blood loss from multiple shots to the back coupled with later being shot point blank by his brother Doflamingo.
* Very much played straight in ''Manga/DragonBall''. In fact, this trope was used as early as the first chapter, where Goku cries out in annoyance from all the bullets shot at him by Bulma.
* ''Manga/FistOfTheNorthStar:''
** Guns are useless for the simple reason that there's no ammo left. Jagi carries a shotgun for the intimidation value, but he prefers PistolWhipping with it rather than shooting - he may not actually ''have'' shells. In fact, he manages to pull the trigger ''once''. It misfires.
** Played ''completely'' straight in an earlier arc, where Jackal takes a ''headshot,'' while running full tilt on a motorcycle, no less, which does little more than infuriate him.
* ''Manga/{{Hellsing}}'':
** Guns are used by many characters in the series but can seem ineffective, mostly because they're being used against [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]], who are all but immune to normal bullets or, more specifically, against Alucard, who has an extremely powerful HealingFactor. Weapons loaded with [[DepletedPhlebotinumShells silver or blessed ammunition]] have more effect. Speaking generally, except for [[BayonetYa Anderson]] (whose blades ''are'' silver and blessed), [[RazorFloss Walter]] and [[DeathDealer Alhambra]] ([[spoiler:all of whom were defeated by the gun-welding Alucard]]), any character who does ''not'' fight using guns might as well not bother.
** Averted by Alucard's pair of absolutely ''[[HandCannon massive]]'' handguns, which are devastatingly effective against more or less anything. Justified, as one is loaded with .454 Casull rounds made from melted-down silver crosses, and the other weighs sixteen kilograms and fires explosive rounds that can demolish ''walls''.
* The ''Anime/BlackRockShooter'' TV anime. Characters routinely shrug off getting hit by dozens of bullets. Sure, everyone is MadeOfIron, but melee attacks are shown to hurt, and even kill.
* This could explain why many Nations in ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'' seem to prefer melee over firearms (with the likes of Switzerland more of the exception). Especially since they could apparently withstand headshots with little to no permanent side-effects.
* In the first chapter of his titular series, Manga/{{Toriko}} tells his sidekick Komatsu that the beast they're hunting, or anything else in the hunting ground, can't be harmed by a gun.
* Averted in ''Anime/PuellaMagiMadokaMagica''. Homura [[CombatPragmatist
ElegantWeaponForAMoreCmbatPragmatist fights exclusively with non-magical guns and explosives]], and is easily the most effective witch-killer. [[spoiler:Though it still isn't enough to single-handedly beat Walpurgisnacht.]] Mami's magical guns are also very powerful. Sayaka does pretty well with just swords, but she mentions how dangerous it is to be so close to her opponent, especially when Homura is setting off bombs in its face.



* Completely averted in ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'', where guns are extremely powerful and can take down most enemies in 1 or 2 shots, the downsides being their relative rarity compared to melee weapons and the fact that there's nothing stopping your enemies from picking up any guns found on the floor and using them against you to only slightly-less effect.

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* Completely averted in ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'', where guns are extremely powerful and can take down most enemies in 1 or 2 shots, the downsides being their relative rarity compared to melee weapons weapons, their tendency to cause enemies [[BoomHeadshot heads to explode]], which prevents players from extracting Nekro from them, and the fact that there's nothing stopping your enemies from picking up any guns found on the floor and using them against you to only slightly-less effect.
13th Mar '18 5:34:47 PM LlamaAdventure
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* Completely averted in ''VideoGame/MotherRussiaBleeds'', where guns are extremely powerful and can take down most enemies in 1 or 2 shots, the downsides being their relative rarity compared to melee weapons and the fact that there's nothing stopping your enemies from picking up any guns found on the floor and using them against you to only slightly-less effect.
21st Feb '18 12:45:19 AM kome360
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* ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'': Every gun in this game is a {{BFG}}, but even the best ammunition does less damage than a power attack from a {{BFS}} or a [[DropTheHammer Giant Hammer]]; your character has super-strength, so subsequently the only way for the firearm to keep up is to be equally gigantic with hand-sized rounds. Unfortunately, this makes the gun cumbersome to dodge with and low on ammunition. Firearms are best used on flying enemies or in conjunction with melee teammates. Turrets can deal massive damage to monsters, but they're a bitch to reload.
5th Feb '18 7:36:19 PM Narutaki2012
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* ''Literature/MartinFierro'' At song III of this NarrativePoem, Fierro, a {{Gaucho}} recruited to fight the Indians at the frontier, denounces that the Colonel did not gave fire arms to the new recruits, pretexting he will give them when the Indians will attack them. When the Indians attack, the army gave the soldiers spears, because the firearms are useless without ammunition. Then a sergeant tells Fierro that the argentinian army really has ammunition, but [[ArmsDealer they sell it to hunt ostrichs]].

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* ''Literature/MartinFierro'' At song III of this NarrativePoem, Fierro, a {{Gaucho}} recruited to fight the Indians at the frontier, denounces that the Colonel did not gave fire arms to the new recruits, pretexting he will give them when the Indians will attack them. When the Indians attack, the army gave the soldiers spears, because the firearms are useless without ammunition. Then a sergeant tells Fierro that the argentinian army is ''invoking'' this trope because they really has have ammunition, but [[ArmsDealer they sell it to hunt ostrichs]].
2nd Feb '18 9:58:30 PM Narutaki2012
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* ''Literature/MartinFierro'' At song III of this NarrativePoem, Fierro, a {{Gaucho}} recruited to fight the Indians at the frontier, denounces that the Colonel did not gave fire arms to the new recruits, pretexting he will give them when the Indians will attack them. When the Indians attack, the army gave the soldiers spears, because the firearms are useless without ammunition. Then a sergeant tells Fierro that the argentinian army really has ammunition, but [[ArmsDealer they sell it to hunt ostrichs]].
1st Feb '18 11:02:37 PM karategal
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** In ''Film/JurassicPark'', Alan Grant's SPAS-12 loaded with slugs proved unable to even hit velociraptors behind glass, and the weapon suffered a stovepipe jam in the end.
** In ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'', the hunters pretty much killed nothing with their automatic rifles, and Ronald Tembo's double rifle was unable to take down a T-rex, because [[SarcasmMode good guy]] [[DesignatedHero Nick]] stole the bullets.
** The mercenaries in ''Film/JurassicParkIII'' open fire with Barrett M82s into the jungle, but drop them and run when confronted by a Spinosaurus.
** The leading character Owen Grady in ''Film/JurassicWorld'' uses a formidable .45-70 lever-action rifle, but it could not even tickle the Indominus Rex during the last battle.

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** In ''Film/JurassicPark'', Alan Grant's SPAS-12 loaded with slugs proved unable to even hit velociraptors ''Velociraptors'' behind glass, and the weapon suffered a stovepipe jam in the end.
** In ''Film/TheLostWorldJurassicPark'', the hunters pretty much killed nothing with their automatic rifles, and Ronald Tembo's double rifle was unable to take down a T-rex, ''T. rex'', because [[SarcasmMode good guy]] [[DesignatedHero Nick]] stole the bullets.
** The mercenaries in ''Film/JurassicParkIII'' open fire with Barrett M82s into the jungle, but drop them and run when confronted by a Spinosaurus.
''Spinosaurus''.
** The leading character Owen Grady in ''Film/JurassicWorld'' uses a formidable .45-70 lever-action rifle, but it could not even tickle the Indominus Rex ''Indominus rex'' during the last battle.
battle.
30th Jan '18 2:46:38 PM Hewhoarisesinmight
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* The modern firearm is a ''vast'' improvement over the early models when it comes to aiming and reliability. When your projectile-thrower will be more useful as a club if the weather gets a bit too damp for it, it better be a really ''good'' club. Consider, too, the problems that'd be caused if your enemy does not helpfully clump together and the best your guns do for aiming is 'point in general direction of the enemy.' Long story short, [[TruthInTelevision there was an early period of time]] when guns ''were'' worthless. The problem is, people are never seen ''using'' those early worthless models.
** Based on accuracy, effective firing range and rate of fire, a unit of bowman would outmatch any similarly-sized unit of musketeers up to at least the years around the Crimean and American Civil Wars (1850s-60s) when the rifled musket became widely available, and it was really only with the introduction of repeating rifles that they were surpassed. Note that repeating rifles are themselves OlderThanTheyThink; the first repeating rifle was invented prior to the American Civil War, and was taken on the Lewis and Clark expedition. Notably, it was actually a very powerful air gun capable of firing bullets as powerfully as a musket of the era.
*** That said, their "uselessness" is actually grossly exaggerated. Training bowmen was very expensive and time consuming, while training men to line up and shoot muskets at each other was very easy and inexpensive, making it possible to field large, effective armies and quickly replace losses. Affixing bayonets to the ends of muskets allowed them to act as spearmen of sorts as well. Combined with the loud noises guns can make (which can startle horses) as well as the decline of armor on the battlefield and less of a need to engage in (very dangerous) melee combat, there were a lot of reasons why units of gunmen took over warfare. Notably, rifling was invented in the ''16th century'', but rifled firearms were expensive and rare at the time. Ironically, rifled weapons weren't used for the same reason that bows weren't - they were expensive (and even more difficult to produce than bows). Skilled snipers using rifles existed even at the time of the American revolutionary war, and were very dangerous on the battlefield. Likewise, the first repeating rifle was invented in the 1770s, but they didn't enter common use until after the American Civil War, again due to their expense.



*** The difference lay between smoothbore muskets and rifled muskets (early rifles). Rifles are so-named for having rifled barrels - that is to say, there is a texture inside the barrel which introduces a spin onto the bullet as it is fired. The net result is a stabilized bullet which flies a lot straighter. High-quality rifles of the time were quite accurate weapons, while smoothbore muskets were not. Experiments at the time found that the common muskets used by soldiers would only strike a target at typical combat ranges roughly 40% of the time. It is commonly claimed that the Civil War was fought using outdated tactics with more advanced weaponry, but the reality is that due to the nature of command and communications at the time, fighting in large line formations was often the only practical way to conduct an organized battle. In situations where other tactics were available for use, fighting changed considerably; some of the later battles in the Civil War featured early TrenchWarfare. Additionally, over the course of the Civil War, increasingly sophisticated weapons became more and more affordable. The reason that muskets were used was not because they couldn't build anything better - repeating rifles were invented prior to the American Revolution, more than 80 years prior - but because such weapons were too expensive (and consumed too much ammunition) to supply all their soldiers with one.

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*** The difference lay between smoothbore muskets and rifled muskets (early rifles). Rifles are so-named for having rifled barrels - that is to say, there is a texture inside the barrel which introduces a spin onto the bullet as it is fired. The net result is a stabilized bullet which flies a lot straighter. High-quality rifles of the time were quite accurate weapons, weapons in the hands of skilled marksmen, while smoothbore muskets were not. Experiments at the time found that the common muskets used by soldiers would only strike a target at typical combat ranges roughly 40% of the time. It is commonly claimed that the Civil War was fought using outdated tactics with more advanced weaponry, but the reality is that due to the nature of command and communications at the time, fighting in large line formations was often the only practical way to conduct an organized battle. In situations where other tactics were available for use, fighting changed considerably; some of the later battles in the Civil War featured early TrenchWarfare. Additionally, over the course of the Civil War, increasingly sophisticated weapons became more and more affordable. The reason that muskets were used was not because they couldn't build anything better - repeating rifles were invented prior to the American Revolution, more than 80 years prior - but because such weapons were too expensive (and consumed too much ammunition) to supply all their soldiers with one.
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