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10th Sep '16 3:47:10 PM eliaskelham
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** One episode featured Bobby Donnell being forced to provide a ''pro bono'' defense for an accused qualified rapist. He made it quite clear to the jury (despite the rule prohibiting lawyers from presenting their opinions) that he's sure of his client's guilt and that he doesn't care about what happens to the client but said that the jury must acquit because of the precedent a conviction based on the word of a kid who tells lies to get people's attention would create. [[spoiler: The jury found the defendant not guilty]].

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** One episode featured Bobby Donnell being forced to provide a ''pro bono'' defense for an accused qualified rapist. He made it quite clear to the jury (despite the rule prohibiting lawyers from presenting their opinions) that he's sure of thinks his client's guilt client is guilty and that he doesn't care about what happens to the client client, but said that the jury must acquit because of the precedent a conviction based on the word of a kid who tells lies to get people's attention would create. [[spoiler: The jury found the defendant not guilty]].
4th May '16 6:22:46 AM Morgenthaler
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* Sometimes averted with Matt Murdock and Foggy Nelson's law practice in ''Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}''. Most of the people they defend are indeed innocent (since Matt can hear the heartbeats to know when he's being lied to), but they believe enough in the letter of the law to have defended some real scumbags.

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* Sometimes averted with ''Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}'':
** Most of the people
Matt Murdock and Foggy Nelson's law practice in ''Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}''. Most of the people they defend are indeed innocent (since Matt can hear the heartbeats to know when he's being lied to), but they believe enough in the letter of the law to have defended some real scumbags.



** Subverted to Hell and back when Matt is hired to defend Mr. Hyde, an AxCrazy GeniusBruiser accused of murder. Hyde is as much of a bad guy as any of Daredevil's other enemies, but he repeatedly insists that, despite being guilty of a whole bunch of other crimes, he's innocent of the one he's hiring Matt to defend him against. [[spoiler:As it turns out, Hyde was telling the truth, and Matt tracks down the true killer as Daredevil]].

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** Subverted to Hell hell and back when Matt is hired to defend Mr. Hyde, an AxCrazy GeniusBruiser accused of murder. Hyde is as much of a bad guy as any of Daredevil's other enemies, but he repeatedly insists that, despite being guilty of a whole bunch of other crimes, [[NotMeThisTime he's innocent of the one he's hiring Matt to defend him against.against]]. [[spoiler:As it turns out, Hyde was telling the truth, and Matt tracks down the true killer as Daredevil]].



* Played completely straight in ''Film/TheDevilsAdvocate''. This is actually [[LouCypher Milton's]] master plan - create the most skilled {{Amoral Attorney}}s imaginable, put them at the disposal of the most despicable people in the world, and have them use the loopholes in the law to protect the guilty until the world is filled with human monsters, making the world his and his alone.

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* Played completely straight in ''Film/TheDevilsAdvocate''. ''Film/TheDevilsAdvocate''.
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This is actually [[LouCypher Milton's]] master plan - create the most skilled {{Amoral Attorney}}s imaginable, put them at the disposal of the most despicable people in the world, and have them use the loopholes in the law to protect the guilty until the world is filled with human monsters, making the world his and his alone.



** A very good example of HollywoodLaw, as in reality, involuntary commitment to a mental institution can in fact be worse than incarceration-you stay there until the staff believes you should be released, with approval from a judge, and not before. For any violent patient like that shown in the film, the odds of release go way down. Of course, given the ease and skill with which this killer manipulated his lawyer, the court, ''and'' the professional psychiatrist who assessed him, its quite possible that for ''him'' it would only be a matter of time to play the part of a recovering/recovered patient and get released.



** Which would mean he ''knows'' if the guy is guilty ''before'' the trial...
*** Most lawyers will know exactly what their client thinks happened long before the trial starts, because a lawyer cannot prepare a good case unless you tell him everything. That's why we have attorney-client confidentiality. Keeping your own lawyer in the dark is like sending your champion out to fight for you blindfolded. That doesn't mean [[TooDumbToLive stupid people]] don't do it, of course ...
* ''Series/{{Matlock}}''
** Subverted at least once. And so he puts someone the client cares for on the stand, and all but accuses them of the murder, to make the client break down and confess.
* A big point of ''Series/ThePractice'' was that the clients were often guilty. The whole premise was intended to be a subversion. On several occasions, they actually defended someone apparently innocent, then later realized their guilt midway through the trial.

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** Which would mean he ''knows'' if the guy is guilty ''before'' the trial...
*** Most lawyers will know exactly what their client thinks happened long before the trial starts, because a lawyer cannot prepare a good case unless you tell him everything. That's why we have attorney-client confidentiality. Keeping your own lawyer in the dark is like sending your champion out to fight for you blindfolded. That doesn't mean [[TooDumbToLive stupid people]] don't do it, of course ...
* ''Series/{{Matlock}}''
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''Series/{{Matlock}}'': Subverted at least once. And so he puts someone the client cares for on the stand, and all but accuses them of the murder, to make the client break down and confess.
* ''Series/ThePractice'':
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A big point of ''Series/ThePractice'' the show was that the clients were often guilty. The whole premise was intended to be a subversion. On several occasions, they actually defended someone apparently innocent, then later realized their guilt midway through the trial.



* Played with a few different ways in ''Series/BostonLegal''. Somewhat justified with Denny, who is often stated to have never lost a case. He, like others on the list, doesn't want to take the case of a guilty person (he wants to protect his perfect record, of course) and when a judge assigns him to defend a child rapist/murderer, Denny goes so far as to shoot his client in the leg to keep from taking the case.

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* Played with a few different ways in ''Series/BostonLegal''. Somewhat justified with Denny, who ''Series/BostonLegal''.
** Denny
is often stated to have never lost a case. He, like others on the list, doesn't want to take the case of a guilty person (he wants to protect his perfect record, of course) and when a judge assigns him to defend a child rapist/murderer, Denny goes so far as to shoot his client in the leg to keep from taking the case.
4th May '16 5:09:41 AM Morgenthaler
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2nd Apr '16 12:04:31 AM Joysweeper
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* While this is often played straight in ''VideoGame/AviaryAttorney'', it's cruelly averted in [[spoiler: the very first case]], not that our heroes have the slightest idea until the defendant smugly states it in the after-trial party and expresses shock and mockery that they were naive enough to believe this trope.

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* While this is often played straight in ''VideoGame/AviaryAttorney'', it's cruelly averted in [[spoiler: the very first case]], not that our heroes have the slightest idea until the defendant smugly states it in the after-trial party and expresses shock and mockery that they were naive enough to believe this trope.
trope. In 4B (Égalité) the client isn't ''good'' but is at least on the amusing side of contemptible.
1st Apr '16 11:45:32 PM Joysweeper
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* While this is often played straight in ''VideoGame/AviaryAttorney'', it's cruelly averted in [[spoiler: the very first case]], not that our heroes have the slightest idea until the defendant smugly states it in the after-trial party and expresses shock and mockery that they were naive enough to believe this trope.
25th Feb '16 3:30:24 PM DaibhidC
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* In ''Film/{{Daredevil}}'', Matt Murdock will only accept innocent clients. Because of his super lie-detecting powers, he knows exactly who they are. But of course there aren't that many of them so the movie notes that the firm is nearly broke. To keep the legal scene more exciting in the movie, they apparently made Matt Murdock the prosecuting attorney in a rape case, which private attorneys cannot do unless they have a prosecutor's brief from the state to take the pressure off a Crown Prosecutor or DA for that case.

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* In ''Film/{{Daredevil}}'', Matt Murdock will only accept innocent clients. Because of his super lie-detecting powers, he knows exactly who they are. But of course there aren't that many of them so the movie notes that the firm is nearly broke. To keep the legal scene more exciting in the movie, they apparently made Matt Murdock the prosecuting attorney in a rape case, which private attorneys cannot do unless they have a prosecutor's brief from the state to take the pressure off a Crown Prosecutor or DA for that case. It gets {{lampshaded}} early on, when Foggy reminds Matt that they were taught in law school that they have to defend people who might not be innocent, and Matt snarks that it was Foggy's best class.
15th Feb '16 4:14:19 PM rjd1922
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* In the Franchise/AceAttorney manga, Phoenix gets a call from Robin Wolfe, whose employee Eddie Johnson committed suicide on the way home from a meeting with him, leading Robin to be suspected for his murder, but [[UnreliableExpositor there are several obvious lies in Robin's account]]. Phoenix and Maya, after talking to the rest of the people at Wolfe Manor, including Eddie's brother Brock, realize that Robin essentially drove Eddie to suicide by torturing him with spiders even if he didn't kill him himself, and decide to refuse to take his case. They go to look for him, but he's missing, and soon afterward, ends up murdered, and Phoenix ends up defending Robin's innocent brother Bobby.

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* In the Franchise/AceAttorney ''Franchise/AceAttorney'' manga, Phoenix gets a call from Robin Wolfe, whose employee Eddie Johnson committed suicide on the way home from a meeting with him, leading Robin to be suspected for his murder, but [[UnreliableExpositor there are several obvious lies in Robin's account]]. Phoenix and Maya, after talking to the rest of the people at Wolfe Manor, including Eddie's brother Brock, realize that Robin essentially drove Eddie to suicide by torturing him with spiders even if he didn't kill him himself, and decide to refuse to take his case. They go to look for him, but he's missing, and soon afterward, ends up murdered, and Phoenix ends up defending Robin's innocent brother Bobby.
21st Nov '15 8:24:45 AM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''BloomCounty'': Steve Dallas's clients are generally homicidal maniacs on trial for murder. Steve usually ends up getting them let off, [[HilarityEnsues with disastrous results]]. In a memorable instance, a little old lady on trial for killing her husband is put under house arrest--''in Steve's house''. He tries to sell the film rights to Creator/{{Disney}}.

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* Subverted in ''BloomCounty'': ''ComicStrip/BloomCounty'': Steve Dallas's clients are generally homicidal maniacs on trial for murder. Steve usually ends up getting them let off, [[HilarityEnsues with disastrous results]]. In a memorable instance, a little old lady on trial for killing her husband is put under house arrest--''in Steve's house''. He tries to sell the film rights to Creator/{{Disney}}.
23rd Oct '15 2:40:40 AM Kalaong
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* ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' subverts this with the AmoralAttorney, Kitaoka. He's dedicated to maintaining his good lawyer status, but it doesn't mean that all of his clients were good. The only time this gets DoubleSuverted was when he decides to drop out of defending a serial killer, knowing he's not gonna win that case. Said serial killer would turn out to be his most fierce rival.

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* ''Series/KamenRiderRyuki'' subverts this with the AmoralAttorney, Kitaoka. He's dedicated to maintaining his good lawyer status, but it doesn't mean that all of his clients were good. The only time this gets DoubleSuverted DoubleSubverted was when he decides to drop out of defending a serial killer, knowing he's not gonna win that case. Said serial killer would turn out to be his most fierce rival.
21st Oct '15 5:34:38 PM nombretomado
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* Subverted in ''BloomCounty'': Steve Dallas's clients are generally homicidal maniacs on trial for murder. Steve usually ends up getting them let off, [[HilarityEnsues with disastrous results]]. In a memorable instance, a little old lady on trial for killing her husband is put under house arrest--''in Steve's house''. He tries to sell the film rights to {{Disney}}.

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* Subverted in ''BloomCounty'': Steve Dallas's clients are generally homicidal maniacs on trial for murder. Steve usually ends up getting them let off, [[HilarityEnsues with disastrous results]]. In a memorable instance, a little old lady on trial for killing her husband is put under house arrest--''in Steve's house''. He tries to sell the film rights to {{Disney}}.Creator/{{Disney}}.
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