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22nd Apr '16 5:35:14 PM eroock
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-->--'''Creator/LaurenFaust''', creator and former executive producer of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic''

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13th Apr '16 4:20:21 PM iml908
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* ''Disney/{{Zootopia}}'', like ''Lilo and Stitch'' above, features both a male and female protagonist, but the advertising made it clear that the girl bunny Judy Hopps was the central protagonist. It has also become the Disney Animated Canon's third highest grossing film, just below Frozen and ''The Lion King''.
11th Apr '16 1:36:08 PM CaptainNevada
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* Actually, author initials are commonly used when the protagonist is a different gender than the author. In addition, the romance genre has virtually no books with male authors (the male writers use pen names) while the opposite is true of men's adventure and true crime (noted true crime writer Ann Rule published under a variety of male pen names until her personal experience with Ted Bundy let her both write under her real name and publish her backlist under it as well).
6th Apr '16 1:00:46 PM DragonRanger
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* In the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, ComicBook/BlackWidow made herself known to moviegoers by becoming the first female member of Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}, but has yet to star in her own picture. As of 2016, her only film appearances aside from ''The Avengers'' and its sequel, ''[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]]'', consist of playing supporting roles in ''Film/IronMan2'' and two of the three ''Captain America'' movies, all of which have male leads. A ''ComicBook/CaptainMarvel'' movie has been announced, though, and ComicBook/TheWasp will be promoted to co-lead in the ''Film/AntMan'' sequel.
** The MCU has also been [[http://io9.com/marvel-has-a-serious-problem-merchandising-its-female-c-1682014327 getting hit with this, merchandise-wise]]. ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' and ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' have two prominent female characters (ComicBook/BlackWidow and Gamora respectively), they are barely featured in the movie's merchandise. It took ''four years'' since ''Film/IronMan2'' for Black Widow to get an solo action figure. She's missing in a lot of the group shots for ''The Avengers'' and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' merch and barely present aside from a few toys - [[http://toybox.io9.com/black-widow-absent-from-a-toy-based-on-one-of-her-coole-1703705181 a Quinjet toy based on her action scene in Seoul even swapped out her action figure for Captain America's]]. In ''Age of Ultron'', the film's other heroine ComicBook/ScarletWitch also suffered from a lack of merchandise (but then again so did her brother ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}). Gamora was absent in the ''[=GotG=]'' merch to the point where fans had to start a Website/{{Twitter}} hashtag (#wheresgamora) to get Marvel to pay attention, and the "#Wheres____" format has caught on to call out a lack of girl merch in other films and shows.

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* In the Franchise/MarvelCinematicUniverse, ComicBook/BlackWidow made herself known to moviegoers by becoming the first female member of Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}, but has yet to star in her own picture. As of 2016, her only film appearances aside from ''The Avengers'' and its sequel, ''[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]]'', consist of playing supporting roles in ''Film/IronMan2'' and two of the three ''Captain America'' movies, all of which have male leads. A ''ComicBook/CaptainMarvel'' movie has Female-led movies have been announced, though, though: one will feature [[ComicBook/MsMarvel the current Captain Marvel, Carol Danvers]], and ComicBook/TheWasp will be promoted to co-lead in the ''Film/AntMan'' sequel.
** The MCU has also been [[http://io9.com/marvel-has-a-serious-problem-merchandising-its-female-c-1682014327 getting hit with this, merchandise-wise]]. ''Film/{{The Avengers|2012}}'' and ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' have two prominent female characters (ComicBook/BlackWidow and Gamora respectively), they are merchandise-wise]], as Black Widow is barely featured in the movie's ''Avengers'' merchandise. It took ''four years'' since ''Film/IronMan2'' for Black Widow to get an solo action figure. She's missing in a lot of the team's group shots for ''The Avengers'' and ''Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron'' merch and barely present aside from a few toys - a Quinjet toy based on her ''[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]]'' action scene in Seoul [[http://toybox.io9.com/black-widow-absent-from-a-toy-based-on-one-of-her-coole-1703705181 a Quinjet toy based on her action scene in Seoul even swapped out her action figure for Captain America's]]. In ''Age of Ultron'', the film's Ultron''[='s=] other heroine ComicBook/ScarletWitch also suffered from a lack of merchandise (but then again so did her brother ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}). The same applies to Gamora in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''; she was absent in the ''[=GotG=]'' merch to the point where fans had to start a Website/{{Twitter}} hashtag (#wheresgamora) to get Marvel to pay attention, and the "#Wheres____" format has caught on to call out a lack of girl merch in other films and shows.
3rd Apr '16 11:10:58 PM Pichu-kun
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* Even though ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' earned fans both male and female, creator Creator/CraigMcCracken noticed that by the time the show reached its third season, it had spawned a disconcerting amount of girls-only merchandise. When Creator/CartoonNetwork asked him to helm a [[TheFilmOfTheSeries Film Of The Series]], he decided to bring ''Powerpuff Girls'' back to its action-packed, "whoopass" roots. The DarkerAndEdgier product received mixed reviews and made less money than any other movie of its year.

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* Even though ''WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls'' earned fans both male and female, creator Creator/CraigMcCracken noticed that by the time the show reached its third season, it had spawned a disconcerting amount of girls-only merchandise. When Creator/CartoonNetwork asked him to helm a [[TheFilmOfTheSeries Film Of The Series]], he decided to bring ''Powerpuff Girls'' back to its action-packed, "whoopass" roots. The DarkerAndEdgier product received mixed reviews and made less money than any other movie of its year. There are also some worries the [[WesternAnimation/ThePowerpuffGirls2016 2016 reboot]] is falling into the ghetto.



* ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' has two female leads but managed to eclipse its male counterpart series (Hercules) and is one of the most popular shows with a female protagonist.

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* ''Series/XenaWarriorPrincess'' has two female leads but managed to eclipse its male counterpart series (Hercules) (''Hercules'') and is one of the most popular shows with a female protagonist.



* The ''Franchise/CarmenSandiego'' franchise is marketed using its main villain, a woman named Carmen Sandiego. It's one of the most edutainment series out there and Carmen is a MemetcBadass.

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* The ''Franchise/CarmenSandiego'' franchise is marketed using its main villain, a woman named Carmen Sandiego. It's one of the most edutainment series out there and Carmen is a MemetcBadass.MemeticBadass.
3rd Apr '16 11:07:22 PM Pichu-kun
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* The same goes for S.E. Hinton. In one interview, she said that she went by her initials because she thought no one would even want to publish ''The Outsiders'' if they knew it had been written by a woman.

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* The same goes for S.E. Hinton. In one interview, she said that she went by her initials because she thought no one would even want to publish ''The Outsiders'' ''Literature/TheOutsiders'' if they knew it had been written by a woman.



* While Shepard of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' can be either male or female, the female Shepard has a much larger and more vocal fanbase, thanks in part to being voiced by the excellent Creator/JenniferHale as opposed to the bland and wooden male Shepard voice.
** In a promo for ''MassEffectAndromeda'', the voiceover by Hale is revealed at the end to be a farewell message to the expedition by Commander Shepard. Even BioWare seems to acknowledge [=FemShep=] as the preferred version of the character.

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* While Shepard of ''Franchise/MassEffect'' can be either male or female, the female Shepard has a much larger and more vocal fanbase, thanks in part to being voiced by the excellent Creator/JenniferHale as opposed to the bland and wooden male Shepard voice.
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voice. In a promo for ''MassEffectAndromeda'', ''VideoGame/MassEffectAndromeda'', the voiceover by Hale is revealed at the end to be a farewell message to the expedition by Commander Shepard. Even BioWare seems to acknowledge [=FemShep=] as the preferred version of the character.character.
* The ''Franchise/CarmenSandiego'' franchise is marketed using its main villain, a woman named Carmen Sandiego. It's one of the most edutainment series out there and Carmen is a MemetcBadass.



* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a ''huge'' male following (who call themselves "[[FanCommunityNickname Bronies]]"), most of whom had to be cajoled to watch it first because of this very reason, but eventually became hooked. Not only is it a show about magical ponies, but there are six female main characters and one male character. In fact, the Girl Show Ghetto trope was {{defied|Trope}} by Creator/LaurenFaust, as shown in the page quote, who purposefully had the goal of making it appealing to not just little girls, but older viewers as well, ''including'' older males. Judging by the massive male fanbase, it would seem she succeeded.
** The utter ridiculousness of the ghetto is brilliantly lampshaded [[http://youtu.be/G7lGp4fyUVo?t=55s here.]]

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* ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' has a ''huge'' male following (who call themselves "[[FanCommunityNickname Bronies]]"), most of whom had to be cajoled to watch it first because of this very reason, but eventually became hooked. Not only is it a show about magical ponies, but there are six female main characters and one male character. In fact, the Girl Show Ghetto trope was {{defied|Trope}} by Creator/LaurenFaust, as shown in the page quote, who purposefully had the goal of making it appealing to not just little girls, but older viewers as well, ''including'' older males. Judging by the massive male fanbase, it would seem she succeeded.
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succeeded. The utter ridiculousness of the ghetto is brilliantly lampshaded [[http://youtu.be/G7lGp4fyUVo?t=55s here.]]


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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Witch}}'' has its fair share of male fans and is seen as a good, western example of a MagicalGirl series. It helps in America that the theme was rock based, instead of the original pop.
* The AnimatedAdaptation of ''Franchise/CarmenSandiego'', ''WesternAnimation/WhereOnEarthIsCarmenSandiego'', features a BrotherSisterTeam (with more emphasis on ActionGirl Ivy instead of her younger brother Zach) on top of the titular female character being the series mascot but is a very well-liked cartoon with all genders. Some [[CounterpartComparison consider]] ''WesternAnimation/KimPossible'' a less educational, 2000s version of it.
29th Mar '16 4:47:31 PM DragonRanger
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* Franchise/WonderWoman has had this problem. She's supposed to be one of DC's Big Three superheroes next to {{Franchise/Batman}} and {{Franchise/Superman}}, but [[Film/{{Superman}} they]] [[Film/{{Batman}} have]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries had]] [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries regular]] [[Series/{{Smallville}} TV]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold and]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy movie]] [[Film/ManOfSteel adaptations]] while Diana's had a total of ''two'', [[Series/WonderWoman one TV series]] and [[Film/WonderWoman one film]] (three if you count a [[WesternAnimation/WonderWoman direct-to-video animated feature]]). She's never been on the same level of sales as Batman and Superman and suffers from less PopCulturalOsmosis compared to them (most people would instantly recognize the name "Wonder Woman" easily enough, but not her supporting cast or RoguesGallery.) The irony here is that Wonder Woman ''was'' created for girls, but for the specific purpose of ''having a female action hero who was equal to her male counterparts''. But, apparently, being a literal Amazon still doesn't make you as "manly" as the most BadassNormal male hero.

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* Franchise/WonderWoman has had this problem. She's supposed to be one of DC's Big Three superheroes next to {{Franchise/Batman}} and {{Franchise/Superman}}, but [[Film/{{Superman}} [[Film/SupermanTheMovie they]] [[Film/{{Batman}} have]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries had]] [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries regular]] [[Series/{{Smallville}} TV]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold and]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy movie]] [[Film/ManOfSteel adaptations]] while Diana's had a total of ''two'', [[Series/WonderWoman one TV series]] and [[Film/WonderWoman [[Film/WonderWoman2017 one film]] (three if you count a [[WesternAnimation/WonderWoman direct-to-video animated feature]]). She's never been on the same level of sales as Batman and Superman and suffers from less PopCulturalOsmosis compared to them (most people would instantly recognize the name "Wonder Woman" easily enough, but not her supporting cast or RoguesGallery.) The irony here is that Wonder Woman ''was'' created for girls, but for the specific purpose of ''having a female action hero who was equal to her male counterparts''. But, apparently, being a literal Amazon still doesn't make you as "manly" as the most BadassNormal male hero.
29th Mar '16 4:44:15 PM DragonRanger
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* Franchise/WonderWoman has had this problem. She's supposed to be one of DC's Big Three superheroes next to {{Franchise/Batman}} and {{Franchise/Superman}}, but she hasn't had a live-action film yet though one has been announced for the upcoming Film/DCExtendedUniverse. She hasn't had an animated series yet. ({{WesternAnimation/Batman|TheAnimatedSeries}} [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman has]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold had]] [[WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman plenty]] in recent years, and [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman got his own show, too]]). And the last time she's been out of the comics solo (besides an [[WesternAnimation/WonderWoman animated film]]) is [[Series/WonderWoman the 70s live action series]]. The closest she's gotten to another franchise was [[Series/WonderWoman2011Pilot a failed pilot in 2011]] that was rather poorly received outside the industry (though no reason has officially been given for why they dropped it). There are some complications with Wonder Woman's creator's estate and DC Comics that have caused legal headaches when using Wonder Woman or any of her "sister" creations (like Troia and Cassie Sandmark), but even within the comics, she's never been on the same level of sales as Batman and Superman and suffers from slightly less PopCulturalOsmosis compared to the others (most people would instantly recognize the name "Wonder Woman" easily enough, but whereas you could casually mention other people and places from either Superman or Batman and still get a reaction, such as Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Gotham City, or The Joker. Mentioning people from Wondy's comics such as Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, Themyscira, or Veronica Cale would likely only result in blank stares.) The irony here is that Wonder Woman ''was'' created for girls, but for the specific purpose of ''having a female action hero who was equal to her male counterparts''. But, apparently, being a literal Amazon still doesn't make you as "manly" as the most BadassNormal male hero.

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* Franchise/WonderWoman has had this problem. She's supposed to be one of DC's Big Three superheroes next to {{Franchise/Batman}} and {{Franchise/Superman}}, but she hasn't had a live-action film yet though one has been announced for the upcoming Film/DCExtendedUniverse. She hasn't had an animated series yet. ({{WesternAnimation/Batman|TheAnimatedSeries}} [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman has]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold [[Film/{{Superman}} they]] [[Film/{{Batman}} have]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheAnimatedSeries had]] [[WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman plenty]] in recent years, and [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman got his own show, too]]). And the last time she's been out regular]] [[Series/{{Smallville}} TV]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold and]] [[Film/TheDarkKnightTrilogy movie]] [[Film/ManOfSteel adaptations]] while Diana's had a total of the comics solo (besides an ''two'', [[Series/WonderWoman one TV series]] and [[Film/WonderWoman one film]] (three if you count a [[WesternAnimation/WonderWoman direct-to-video animated film]]) is [[Series/WonderWoman the 70s live action series]]. The closest she's gotten to another franchise was [[Series/WonderWoman2011Pilot a failed pilot in 2011]] that was rather poorly received outside the industry (though no reason has officially been given for why they dropped it). There are some complications with Wonder Woman's creator's estate and DC Comics that have caused legal headaches when using Wonder Woman or any of her "sister" creations (like Troia and Cassie Sandmark), but even within the comics, she's feature]]). She's never been on the same level of sales as Batman and Superman and suffers from slightly less PopCulturalOsmosis compared to the others them (most people would instantly recognize the name "Wonder Woman" easily enough, but whereas you could casually mention other people and places from either Superman not her supporting cast or Batman and still get a reaction, such as Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Gotham City, or The Joker. Mentioning people from Wondy's comics such as Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, Themyscira, or Veronica Cale would likely only result in blank stares.RoguesGallery.) The irony here is that Wonder Woman ''was'' created for girls, but for the specific purpose of ''having a female action hero who was equal to her male counterparts''. But, apparently, being a literal Amazon still doesn't make you as "manly" as the most BadassNormal male hero.
27th Mar '16 4:24:52 PM TrailblazerZeno
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* Franchise/WonderWoman has had this problem. She's supposed to be one of DC's Big Three superheroes next to {{Franchise/Batman}} and {{Franchise/Superman}}, but she hasn't had a live-action film yet though one has been announced for the upcoming Film/DCExtendedUniverse. She hasn't had an animated series yet. ({{WesternAnimation/Batman|TheAnimatedSeries}} [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman has]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold had]] [[WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman plenty]] in recent years, and [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman got his own show, too]]). And the last time she's been out of the comics solo (besides an [[WesternAnimation/WonderWoman animated film]]) is [[Series/WonderWoman the 70s live action series]]. The closest she's gotten to another franchise was [[Series/WonderWoman2011Pilot a failed pilot in 2011]] that was rather poorly received outside the industry (though no reason has officially been given for why they dropped it). There are some complications with Wonder Woman's creator's estate and DC Comics that have caused legal headaches when using Wonder Woman or any of her "sister" creations (like Troia and Cassie Sandmark), but even within the comics, she's never been on the same level of sales as Batman and Superman and suffers from slightly less PopCulturalOsmosis compared to the others (most people would instantly recognize the name "Wonder Woman" easily enough, but whereas you could casually mention other people and places from either Superman or Batman and still get a reaction, such as Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Gotham City, or The Joker. Mentioning people from Wondy's comics such as Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, Themyscira, or Veronica Cale would likely only result in blank stares.) The sad irony here is that Wonder Woman ''was'' created for girls, but for the specific purpose of ''having a female action hero who was equal to her male counterparts''. But, apparently, being a literal Amazon still doesn't make you as "manly" as the most BadassNormal male hero.

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* Franchise/WonderWoman has had this problem. She's supposed to be one of DC's Big Three superheroes next to {{Franchise/Batman}} and {{Franchise/Superman}}, but she hasn't had a live-action film yet though one has been announced for the upcoming Film/DCExtendedUniverse. She hasn't had an animated series yet. ({{WesternAnimation/Batman|TheAnimatedSeries}} [[WesternAnimation/TheBatman has]] [[WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold had]] [[WesternAnimation/BewareTheBatman plenty]] in recent years, and [[WesternAnimation/SupermanTheAnimatedSeries Superman got his own show, too]]). And the last time she's been out of the comics solo (besides an [[WesternAnimation/WonderWoman animated film]]) is [[Series/WonderWoman the 70s live action series]]. The closest she's gotten to another franchise was [[Series/WonderWoman2011Pilot a failed pilot in 2011]] that was rather poorly received outside the industry (though no reason has officially been given for why they dropped it). There are some complications with Wonder Woman's creator's estate and DC Comics that have caused legal headaches when using Wonder Woman or any of her "sister" creations (like Troia and Cassie Sandmark), but even within the comics, she's never been on the same level of sales as Batman and Superman and suffers from slightly less PopCulturalOsmosis compared to the others (most people would instantly recognize the name "Wonder Woman" easily enough, but whereas you could casually mention other people and places from either Superman or Batman and still get a reaction, such as Lois Lane, Jimmy Olsen, Gotham City, or The Joker. Mentioning people from Wondy's comics such as Steve Trevor, Etta Candy, Themyscira, or Veronica Cale would likely only result in blank stares.) The sad irony here is that Wonder Woman ''was'' created for girls, but for the specific purpose of ''having a female action hero who was equal to her male counterparts''. But, apparently, being a literal Amazon still doesn't make you as "manly" as the most BadassNormal male hero.
27th Mar '16 1:38:52 PM johnsmithxxi
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* ''Radio/OurMissBrooks'': managed to be a hit show, in spite of its star character being a spinster English teacher whose SeriesGoal was marriage to [[LoveInterest biology teacher Mr. Boynton]] [[spoiler: Miss Brooks finally marries Mr. Boynton in TheMovie GrandFinale]]. The show's humor was based on Constance Brooks' sardonic wit, as the [[OnlySaneMan only sane woman]] dealing with a cast of characters including ObliviousToLove Mr. Boynton, her CloudCuckoolander landlady Mrs. Davis, blustery principal Mr. Conklin, and comically dumb students Walter Denton and Stretch Snodgrass. In 1954, Eve Arden won the "Best Female Star of a Regular Series" Emmy Award for her portrayal of Miss Brooks.

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* ''Radio/OurMissBrooks'': managed to be ''Radio/OurMissBrooks'' was a hit show, in spite of its star character being a spinster English teacher whose SeriesGoal was marriage to [[LoveInterest biology teacher Mr. Boynton]] [[spoiler: Miss Brooks finally marries Mr. Boynton in TheMovie GrandFinale]]. The show's humor was based on Constance Brooks' sardonic wit, as the [[OnlySaneMan only sane woman]] dealing with a cast of characters including ObliviousToLove Mr. Boynton, her CloudCuckoolander landlady Mrs. Davis, blustery principal Mr. Conklin, and comically dumb students Walter Denton and Stretch Snodgrass. In 1954, Eve Arden won the "Best Female Star of a Regular Series" Emmy Award for her portrayal of Miss Brooks.
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