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15th Apr '18 3:17:12 PM ElSquibbonator
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* The first ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' movie nearly experienced this. The idea that female moviegoers alone could turn a film into a blockbuster hit was considered so unthinkable that, when Paramount was adapting the movie, [[ExecutiveMeddling they tried to make it far more action-heavy]] (basically, a high school version of ''Film/{{Underworld}}'' or ''Film/{{Blade}}'') in order to attract the male audience that they thought was necessary. [[http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/09/23/twilight-saga-almost-turned-into-action-film-summit-paramount-robert-pattinson-kristen-stewart-stephenie-meyer-mark-morgan/ This page]] goes into detail on the changes that would've been made. These plans were [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed]] by Creator/StephenieMeyer, leading to Summit's far more faithful adaptation.

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* The first ''Literature/{{Twilight}}'' movie nearly experienced this. The idea that female moviegoers alone could turn a film into a blockbuster hit was considered so unthinkable that, when Paramount was adapting the movie, [[ExecutiveMeddling they tried to make it far more action-heavy]] (basically, a high school version of ''Film/{{Underworld}}'' or ''Film/{{Blade}}'') in order to attract the male audience that they thought was necessary. [[http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2010/09/23/twilight-saga-almost-turned-into-action-film-summit-paramount-robert-pattinson-kristen-stewart-stephenie-meyer-mark-morgan/ This page]] goes into detail on the changes that would've been made. These plans were [[ExecutiveVeto vetoed]] by Creator/StephenieMeyer, leading to Summit's far more faithful adaptation. [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgment Whether this was a good thing or not is up to you.]]
28th Mar '18 10:15:53 PM Ryulong
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Witch}}'' has its fair share of male fans and is seen as a good, western example of a MagicalGirl series. It helps in America that the theme was rock based, instead of the original pop.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Witch}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{WITCH}}'' has its fair share of male fans and is seen as a good, western example of a MagicalGirl series. It helps in America that the theme was rock based, instead of the original pop.
24th Mar '18 2:52:34 AM eroock
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-->--'''Creator/BobChipman''' discussing the backlash to ''{{Film/Titanic|1997}}''

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13th Mar '18 7:31:01 PM nombretomado
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-->--'''Creator/BobChipman''' discussing the backlash to ''{{Film/Titanic}}''

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9th Mar '18 7:51:40 PM IndirectActiveTransport
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* The World Wrestling League booked Puerto Rican women against opponents from Mexico, Bolivia, The Dominican Republic and Continental USA to create buzz before it introduced a Goddess title belt, won by La Morena. She gave an interview with Contralona PR expressing desire to use the belt to bring women's wrestling back into focus, but it and she were [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness not featured]] when WWL [[ChannelHop made the transition to Mega TV]]. WWL did eventually dig the belt back up for Wrestling/IvelisseVelez in the build up to their first ''Wrestlefest'' but put it back away not long afterwards. After the transition of power to Savio Vega, a woman would finally get a lasting title reign with one third of the trios belts when Justin Dynamite, the partner of Brown Sugar Daddy Excellent Mantel and White Shadow Mark Davidson, had to vacate his spot and La Perla Negra Allison, Davidson's girlfriend, took Dynamite's place in their "Los Favoritos" trio. Her reign is a bit of a mixed bag, as WWL was bashed on media platforms it used for fan outreach for pushing a woman(in Justin's spot, against men, at all) or, ironically, accused of copying the Angelico-Son of Havoc-Iveliess Velez trio on Wrestling/LuchaUnderground (Wrestling/{{Konnan}} coming in around the time Vega took charge might have contributed to that) [[BrokenBase but]] the ticket buyers in the arenas still loved Los Favoritos and counted Allison among WWL's best competitors.

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* The World Wrestling League booked Puerto Rican women against opponents from Mexico, Bolivia, The Dominican Republic and Continental USA to create buzz before it introduced a Goddess title belt, won by La Morena. She gave an interview with Contralona PR expressing desire to use the belt to bring women's wrestling back into focus, but it and she were [[YouHaveOutlivedYourUsefulness not featured]] when WWL [[ChannelHop made the transition to Mega TV]]. WWL did eventually dig the belt back up for Wrestling/IvelisseVelez in the build up to their first ''Wrestlefest'' but put it back away not long afterwards. After the transition of power to Savio Vega, a woman would finally get a lasting title reign with one third of the trios belts when Justin Dynamite, the partner of Brown Sugar Daddy Excellent Mantel and White Shadow Mark Davidson, had to vacate his spot and La Perla Negra Allison, Davidson's girlfriend, took Dynamite's place in their "Los Favoritos" trio. Her reign is a bit of a mixed bag, as WWL was bashed on media platforms it used for fan outreach for pushing a woman(in Justin's spot, against men, at all) or, ironically, accused of copying the Gran-Fabi-Mari Apache trio of AAA and especially the Angelico-Son of Havoc-Iveliess Velez trio on Wrestling/LuchaUnderground (Wrestling/{{Konnan}} coming in around the time Vega took charge might have contributed to that) [[BrokenBase but]] the ticket buyers in the arenas still loved Los Favoritos and counted Allison among WWL's best competitors.
26th Feb '18 6:15:33 PM themisterfree
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* Strangely enough when Fox owned [[Creator/ABCFamily Fox Family]], they tried the Creator/DisneyXD strategy first with two different digital cable channels, the "Boyz Channel" and "Girlz Channel' in 2000. They were gone within a year due to pressure from outside groups that segregating networks based on sex was a bad idea, and cable providers didn't want to alienate anybody.

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* ** Strangely enough enough, when Fox and Saban owned [[Creator/ABCFamily Fox Family]], they tried the Creator/DisneyXD strategy first first, way back in 2000 with two different digital cable channels, the "Boyz Channel" and "Girlz Channel' in 2000. Channel''. They were gone within a year due to pressure from outside groups that segregating networks based on sex was a bad idea, and cable providers didn't want to alienate anybody.anybody (plus, most of the content was recycled from both Fox Kids and Fox Family, and many people didn't have digital cable at the time anyway, further limiting the networks' reach).
26th Feb '18 5:46:59 PM nombretomado
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* ''VideoGame/{{Hakuouki}}'' has a decent-sized male fanbase, despite being a dating sim aimed at young women about TheIngenue finding love with a [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys handsome, protective samurai]]. Presumably it helps that this is taking place amidst TheShinsengumi against the backdrop of the [[EndOfAnAge Boshin War]], and both the VN and its [[TheAnimeOfTheGame anime adaptation]] pay at least as much attention to the samurai politics and warfare involved as they do to the romance. It's safe to say that Hakuouki's success paved the way for more [[OtomeGame otome games]] to be localized into English.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Hakuouki}}'' has a decent-sized male fanbase, despite being a dating sim aimed at young women about TheIngenue finding love with a [[CastFullOfPrettyBoys handsome, protective samurai]]. Presumably it helps that this is taking place amidst TheShinsengumi UsefulNotes/TheShinsengumi against the backdrop of the [[EndOfAnAge Boshin War]], and both the VN and its [[TheAnimeOfTheGame anime adaptation]] pay at least as much attention to the samurai politics and warfare involved as they do to the romance. It's safe to say that Hakuouki's success paved the way for more [[OtomeGame otome games]] to be localized into English.
23rd Feb '18 4:40:32 AM StFan
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** The MCU has also been [[http://io9.com/marvel-has-a-serious-problem-merchandising-its-female-c-1682014327 getting hit with this, merchandise-wise]], as Black Widow is barely featured in ''Avengers'' merchandise. It took ''four years'' since ''Film/IronMan2'' for Black Widow to get a solo action figure. She's missing in a lot of the team's group shots and barely present aside from a few toys - a Quinjet toy based on her ''[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]]'' action scene in Seoul [[http://toybox.io9.com/black-widow-absent-from-a-toy-based-on-one-of-her-coole-1703705181 even swapped out her action figure for Captain America's]]. ''Age of Ultron''[='s=] other heroine ComicBook/ScarletWitch also suffered from a lack of merchandise (but then again so did her brother ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}). The same applies to Gamora in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''; she was absent in the merch to the point where fans had to start a Website/{{Twitter}} hashtag (#wheresgamora) to get Marvel to pay attention, and the "#Wheres____" format has caught on to call out a lack of girl merch in other films and shows.
** This is a problem that existed well before the MCU, unfortunately. For instance, [=ToyBiz=]'s action figure line for ''Film/X2XMenUnited'' didn't have any of the women in it. To put that into perspective, characters involved in major action sequences like Comicbook/{{Mystique}} and Lady Deathstrike were left out of the line, while Comicbook/{{Iceman}}, who didn't get involved in any action scenes, was included.

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** The MCU has also been [[http://io9.com/marvel-has-a-serious-problem-merchandising-its-female-c-1682014327 getting hit with this, merchandise-wise]], as Black Widow is barely featured in ''Avengers'' merchandise. It took ''four years'' since ''Film/IronMan2'' for Black Widow to get a solo action figure. She's missing in a lot of the team's group shots and barely present aside from a few toys - -- a Quinjet toy based on her ''[[Film/AvengersAgeOfUltron Age of Ultron]]'' action scene in Seoul [[http://toybox.io9.com/black-widow-absent-from-a-toy-based-on-one-of-her-coole-1703705181 even swapped out her action figure for Captain America's]]. ''Age of Ultron''[='s=] other heroine ComicBook/ScarletWitch also suffered from a lack of merchandise (but then again so did her brother ComicBook/{{Quicksilver}}). The same applies to Gamora in ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy''; she was absent in the merch to the point where fans had to start a Website/{{Twitter}} hashtag (#wheresgamora) to get Marvel to pay attention, and the "#Wheres____" format has caught on to call out a lack of girl merch in other films and shows.
** This is a problem that existed well before the MCU, unfortunately. For instance, [=ToyBiz=]'s action figure line for ''Film/X2XMenUnited'' didn't have any of the women in it. To put that into perspective, characters involved in major action sequences like Comicbook/{{Mystique}} ComicBook/{{Mystique}} and Lady Deathstrike were left out of the line, while Comicbook/{{Iceman}}, who didn't get involved in any action scenes, was included.



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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'''s main cast features five women with about three or four males (depending on the season) and is very female-centered - where the two leads are female and seasons will usually feature prominent female villains. The show has an incredibly high amount of fans and has lasted for five seasons.
* ''Literature/TheWorstWitch'' was a TV show based off the popular series of children's books by Jill Murphy. The cast was almost entirely female - with males only appearing in recurring roles - and the show managed to last three seasons. Notably its spin-off, which featured more males in the main cast, did not do so well.

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* ''Series/OnceUponATime'''s main cast features five women with about three or four males (depending on the season) and is very female-centered - -- where the two leads are female and seasons will usually feature prominent female villains. The show has an incredibly high amount of fans and has lasted for five seasons.
* ''Literature/TheWorstWitch'' was a TV show based off the popular series of children's books by Jill Murphy. The cast was almost entirely female - -- with males only appearing in recurring roles - and the show managed to last three seasons. Notably its spin-off, which featured more males in the main cast, did not do so well.



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* ''WebAnimation/{{RWBY}}'' focuses more on female characters than male ones, but is one of the most successful animated web series and it's created by a late male animator.
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* The phenomenon of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' breaking out of the ghetto is referenced in the "Pony Time" episode of WebVideo/CommodoreHustle. Matt is already a fan, and is trying to convince the rest of the crew (four late-20s men and one late-20s TomBoy) to give it a shot.
-->'''Matt:''' Lauren Faust is a straight-up genius of our modern age.
-->'''Graham:''' OK, I grant you the show looks very cute, but... it is a kids' show. You know that, right?
-->'''James:''' Yeah, a ''girly'' kids' show, for girls and kids and [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs kid girls]].
** Then, when they find out many of their fans are Bronies, they decide to do some research into the show to see what makes it popular. When Kathleen joins, she is not initially impressed, and comes up with "My Little Bear: Mauling is Magic"
-->'''Kathleen:''' It's way better than My Little Pony. That's for ''girls''.
-->'''Paul:''' You're a girl.
-->'''Kathleen:''' '''[[OneOfTheBoys Other]]''' [[TheLadette girls]].

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* ''WebVideo/CommodoreHustle'':
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The phenomenon of ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'' ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'': breaking out of the ghetto is referenced in the "Pony Time" episode of WebVideo/CommodoreHustle.episode. Matt is already a fan, and is trying to convince the rest of the crew (four late-20s men and one late-20s TomBoy) to give it a shot.
-->'''Matt:''' --->'''Matt:''' Lauren Faust is a straight-up genius of our modern age.
-->'''Graham:'''
age.\\
'''Graham:'''
OK, I grant you the show looks very cute, but... it is a kids' show. You know that, right?
-->'''James:'''
right?\\
'''James:'''
Yeah, a ''girly'' kids' show, for girls and kids and [[BreadEggsBreadedEggs kid girls]].
** Then, when they find out many of their fans are Bronies, they decide to do some research into the show to see what makes it popular. When Kathleen joins, she is not initially impressed, and comes up with "My Little Bear: Mauling is Magic"
-->'''Kathleen:'''
Magic".
--->'''Kathleen:'''
It's way better than My ''My Little Pony. Pony''. That's for ''girls''.
-->'''Paul:'''
''girls''.\\
'''Paul:'''
You're a girl.
-->'''Kathleen:'''
girl.\\
'''Kathleen:'''
'''[[OneOfTheBoys Other]]''' [[TheLadette girls]].



-->'''James:''' We will keep this our dark little secret.
-->'''Matt:''' What dark little secret?
-->'''Everyone else:''' ''*stammering*'' Nothing, nothing, nothing at all.
-->'''Matt:''' ''*incredulous*'' Whatcha guys watching?
-->'''Everyone else:''' ''*stammers frantically, trying to hide the screen*'' Oh, uh...
-->'''Kathleen:''' '''[[EmbarrassingCoverUp PORN!]]'''
-->'''Everyone else:''' Yeah, porn!
-->'''Kathleen:''' Dirty, dirty, filthy porn.
-->'''Matt:''' '''''Again?''''' Jesus Christ, guys! ''*leaves*''
-->'''Everyone else:''' ''*breathes sigh of relief*''
* Almost all ''Franchise/{{Barbie}}'' media is stuck firmly in the ghetto however ''WebAnimation/BarbieLifeInTheDreamhouse'' is an exception. Despite it's very pink, very feminine look with the only human males being CampStraight and a majority female cast it gained quite a bit of popularity due to being a witty {{Affectionate|Parody}} SelfParody.
* {{WebAnimation/RWBY}} focuses on female characters than male ones but one of the most success animated web series and it's created by a late male animator.

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-->'''James:''' --->'''James:''' We will keep this our dark little secret.
-->'''Matt:'''
secret.\\
'''Matt:'''
What dark little secret?
-->'''Everyone
secret?\\
'''Everyone
else:''' ''*stammering*'' ''[stammering]'' Nothing, nothing, nothing at all.
-->'''Matt:''' ''*incredulous*''
all.\\
'''Matt:''' ''[incredulous]''
Whatcha guys watching?
-->'''Everyone
watching?\\
'''Everyone
else:''' ''*stammers ''[stammers frantically, trying to hide the screen*'' screen]'' Oh, uh...
-->'''Kathleen:'''
uh...\\
'''Kathleen:'''
'''[[EmbarrassingCoverUp PORN!]]'''
-->'''Everyone
PORN!]]'''\\
'''Everyone
else:''' Yeah, porn!
-->'''Kathleen:'''
porn!\\
'''Kathleen:'''
Dirty, dirty, filthy porn.
-->'''Matt:'''
porn.\\
'''Matt:'''
'''''Again?''''' Jesus Christ, guys! ''*leaves*''
''[leaves]''
-->'''Everyone else:''' ''*breathes ''[breathes sigh of relief*''
relief]''
* Almost all ''Franchise/{{Barbie}}'' media is stuck firmly in the ghetto ghetto, however ''WebAnimation/BarbieLifeInTheDreamhouse'' is an exception. Despite it's its very pink, very feminine look with the only human males being CampStraight and a majority female cast cast, it gained quite a bit of popularity due to being a witty {{Affectionate|Parody}} SelfParody.
* {{WebAnimation/RWBY}} focuses on female characters than male ones but one of the most success animated web series and it's created by a late male animator.
SelfParody.



* [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons Lisa Simpson]]. She managed to be both quirky and vaguely nerdy (jazz music, Beat poetry, etc.) and unabashedly "girly" (her love of ponies and "Malibu Stacy" dolls). A very good example of an animated female character whom boys could not only like, but ''identify with''. Notably, the show never found an audience [[BigInJapan in Japan]] until Japanese stations hit on the idea of rerunning Lisa-centric episodes far more often and focusing on her in the advertising.
* ''WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower'' is an interesting case. She-Ra was meant to basically be the DistaffCounterpart of ''[[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 He-Man]]'', but despite having a female lead and a brighter color palette the tone wasn't all that different from its predecessor, especially since the series has Hordak (technically a MOTU character) as the lead villain, whereas the toyline has Catra as the BigBad. So it basically attracted most of the same audience that He-Man did, despite trying to be a girl's show. A girl who wasn't into He-Man probably wouldn't be into She-Ra either, but a boy who liked He-Man would usually like She-Ra too (unless scared off by the fact that it was supposed to be for girls).
* ''{{WesternAnimation/Jem}}'' was also popular with male viewers but aimed at females. This is probably due to a mix of action-packed plotlines, mild fanservice...and initially debuting on the same show as ''{{WesternAnimation/Inhumanoids}}'', ''ROBOTIX'', and ''Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines''.

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* [[WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons ''WesternAnimation/TheSimpsons'': Lisa Simpson]].Simpson. She managed to be both quirky and vaguely nerdy (jazz music, Beat poetry, etc.) and unabashedly "girly" (her love of ponies and "Malibu Stacy" dolls). A very good example of an animated female character whom boys could not only like, but ''identify with''. Notably, the show never found an audience [[BigInJapan in Japan]] until Japanese stations hit on the idea of rerunning Lisa-centric episodes far more often and focusing on her in the advertising.
* ''WesternAnimation/SheRaPrincessOfPower'' is an interesting case. She-Ra was meant to basically be the DistaffCounterpart of ''[[WesternAnimation/HeManAndTheMastersOfTheUniverse1983 He-Man]]'', but despite having a female lead and a brighter color palette the tone wasn't all that different from its predecessor, especially since the series has Hordak (technically a MOTU character) as the lead villain, whereas the toyline has Catra as the BigBad. So it basically attracted most of the same audience that He-Man did, despite trying to be a girl's girls' show. A girl who wasn't into He-Man probably wouldn't be into She-Ra either, but a boy who liked He-Man would usually like She-Ra too (unless scared off by the fact that it was supposed to be for girls).
* ''{{WesternAnimation/Jem}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}'' was also popular with male viewers but aimed at females. This is probably due to a mix of action-packed plotlines, mild fanservice... and initially debuting on the same show as ''{{WesternAnimation/Inhumanoids}}'', ''WesternAnimation/{{Inhumanoids}}'', ''ROBOTIX'', and ''Bigfoot and the Muscle Machines''.



* ''{{WesternAnimation/Daria}}'' has a tendency to focus on its female characters more often than the male ones, but quite a few boys and men like it, too. It helps that it's a SpinOff of ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead''.

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* ''{{WesternAnimation/Daria}}'' ''WesternAnimation/{{Daria}}'' has a tendency to focus on its female characters more often than the male ones, but quite a few boys and men like it, too. It helps that it's a SpinOff of ''WesternAnimation/BeavisAndButtHead''.



* ''[[WesternAnimation/KaBlam Life With Loopy]]'' marked the first time an original animated series on Nickelodeon had a female character front-and-center. Series creator Stephen Holman stated that he wanted to make a show with a "tough little girl" character as there weren't enough of them leading in cartoons at the time the show was in it's early stages of production. And like the rest of ''[=KaBlam!=]'', ''Loopy'' was aimed at a gender-neutral audience. The fact that the show had a female protagonist was also not played up in the series or in the advertising; it just played out like every other Nicktoon at the time (which were either male-led or had a near-equal balance of male and female characters). The show ended up gaining just as many male fans as there were female fans as a result.

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* ''[[WesternAnimation/KaBlam Life With with Loopy]]'' marked the first time an original animated series on Nickelodeon had a female character front-and-center. Series creator Stephen Holman stated that he wanted to make a show with a "tough little girl" character as there weren't enough of them leading in cartoons at the time the show was in it's early stages of production. And like the rest of ''[=KaBlam!=]'', ''Loopy'' was aimed at a gender-neutral audience. The fact that the show had a female protagonist was also not played up in the series or in the advertising; it just played out like every other Nicktoon at the time (which were either male-led or had a near-equal balance of male and female characters). The show ended up gaining just as many male fans as there were female fans as a result.
14th Feb '18 6:48:29 PM ninjamitsuki2
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* ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' is a game with a female protagonist and antagonist, a female creator, and most of the plot is driven entirely by women. Yet it's one of Creator/{{Valve}}'s most successful and well received properties, and a beloved FountainOfMemes.
12th Feb '18 11:21:28 AM Nyte
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* Being female didn't stop ComicBook/JessicaJones from being the breakout star of Marvel's R-rated Creator/{{MAX}} imprint. Specifically, the comic she debuted in, ''ComicBook/{{Alias}}'', was a success that sold the idea of R-rated Marvel comics. To this day, ''Alias'' still remains the most iconic work made by MAX and put Creator/BrianMichaelBendis on the map. Jessica Jones herself would be a fan-favorite as part of the mainstream Marvel Universe, and broke out of the ghetto again in the field of [[Creator/{{Netflix}} streaming]] (see below).

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* Being female didn't stop ComicBook/JessicaJones from being the breakout star of Marvel's R-rated Creator/{{MAX}} imprint. Specifically, the comic she debuted in, ''ComicBook/{{Alias}}'', was a success that sold the idea of R-rated Marvel comics. To this day, ''Alias'' still remains the most iconic work made by MAX and put helped establish Creator/BrianMichaelBendis on as one of the map.top comic writers in the business. Jessica Jones herself would be a fan-favorite as part of the mainstream Marvel Universe, and broke out of the ghetto again in the field of [[Creator/{{Netflix}} streaming]] (see below).
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