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* In the DragonBallZ: Budokai Tenkaichi series, Giant characters will not flinch at most smaller character's punches and almost all rush moves will ricochet off them before they can do anything. This means characters like Hercule and Videl are almost completely helpless against them.
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* Played straight in TerraNova. Even dinosaurs that are only slightly larger than people shrug off small arms like they're nothing. Even the mounted wave cannons on the walls of the compound only repel a ten foot tall dinosaur.
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* Perhaps not as ridiculous a trope as it seems; a 50 meter tall, 20,000+ ton monster would most certainly ''need'' to be made of a super strong, hyper-resistant, indestructable substance, simply to ''keep itself from falling apart at the seams.'' Any monster that huge that was so flimsy as to be vulnerable to conventional weapons would be squashed by its own mass before we'd ever need to fire a shot. If on the odd chance you ever do [[TemptingFate meet a kaiju IRL]] and it doesn't collapse into jelly the moment it steps out of the ocean, you can [[GenreSavvy safely assume this trope is in effect]].

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* Perhaps not as ridiculous a trope as it seems; a 50 meter tall, 20,000+ ton monster would most certainly ''need'' to be made of a super strong, hyper-resistant, indestructable very strong and durable substance, simply to ''keep ''[[SquareCubeLaw keep itself from falling apart at the seams.seams]].'' Any monster that huge that was so flimsy as to be vulnerable to conventional weapons would be squashed by its own mass before we'd ever need to fire a shot. If on the odd chance you ever do [[TemptingFate meet a kaiju IRL]] and it doesn't collapse into jelly the moment it steps out of the ocean, you can [[GenreSavvy safely assume this trope is in effect]].
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* The ''MonsterHunter'' series heavily averts this trope in its later monster hunts.

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* The ''MonsterHunter'' ''VideoGame/MonsterHunter'' series heavily averts this trope in its later monster hunts.
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* Perhaps not as ridiculous a trope as it seems; a 50 meter tall, 20,000+ ton monster would most certainly ''need'' to be made of a super strong, hyper-resistant, indestructable substance, simply to ''keep itself from falling apart at the seams.'' Any monster that huge that was so flimsy as to be vulnerable to conventional weapons would be squashed by its own mass before we'd ever need to fire a shot. If on the odd chance you ever do [[TemptingFate meet a kaiju IRL]] and it doesn't collapse into jelly the moment it steps out of the ocean, you can [[GenreSavvy safely assume this trope is in effect]].
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* Monster Hunter Freedom heavily averts this trope in its later monsters.

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* Monster Hunter Freedom The ''MonsterHunter'' series heavily averts this trope in its later monsters.monster hunts.
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* The ''[[EarthDefenseForce2017 Earth Defense Force]]'' series gleefully averts and inverts this. You play as a wimpy looking guy in a baggy jumpsuit who is tasked with killing swarms of giant bugs, towering mechs, kaiju, flying saucers, and walking fortresses. On foot. With conventional weaponry like assault rifles and shotguns. And it works!

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* The ''[[EarthDefenseForce2017 ''[[VideoGame/EarthDefenseForce2017 Earth Defense Force]]'' series gleefully averts and inverts this. You play as a wimpy looking guy in a baggy jumpsuit who is tasked with killing swarms of giant bugs, towering mechs, kaiju, flying saucers, and walking fortresses. On foot. With conventional weaponry like assault rifles and shotguns. And it works!
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** They don't seem to be ''completely'' invincible. After all, the poachers are able to catch them, and the movie acts as though the head poacher's elephant gun would have worked had the [[DesignatedHero environmental terrorist]] not stolen his ammo. Also, there's the instant death coral poison gun that got [[TooDumbToLive tangled in some cargo netting.]]

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** They don't seem to be ''completely'' invincible. After all, the poachers hunters in the second film are able to catch them, them in large numbers, and the movie acts as though the head poacher's hunter's elephant gun would have worked had the [[DesignatedHero environmental terrorist]] not stolen his ammo. Also, there's the instant death coral poison gun that got [[TooDumbToLive tangled in some cargo netting.]]
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* ''{{Evangelion}}'' takes this one seriously. On the one hand, they try bullets, missiles, and clean nukes on the angels; but [[spoiler:[[AssimilationPlot part of]]]] the reason the Evas exist is that the Angels are protected by a force field (they call it an AT field) that only the Evas can cancel out with their own AT fields. Though there are cases where Science Fiction Based Weapons DO defeat them.

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* ''{{Evangelion}}'' ''NeonGenesisEvangelion'' takes this one seriously. On the one hand, they try bullets, missiles, and clean nukes on the angels; but [[spoiler:[[AssimilationPlot part of]]]] the reason the Evas exist is that the Angels are protected by a force field (they call it an AT field) that only the Evas can cancel out with their own AT fields. Though there are cases where Science Fiction Based Weapons DO defeat them.
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* Averted by the {{Pokemon}} Wailord, who despite being the largest of all 649 of them (By a very considerable margin for almost all of them), can easily be taken down dozens of Pokemon that are anywhere from around one-tenth to one-hundredth of its size.
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** Although it isn't as bad as some would make it out to be. He survived point blank torpedoes and the first salvo of missiles before the second one brought him down.
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* "http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterHunter" heavily averts this trope in its later monsters.

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* "http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MonsterHunter" Monster Hunter Freedom heavily averts this trope in its later monsters.
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* "[[Monster Hunter]]" heavily averts this trope in its later monsters.

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* "[[Monster Hunter]]" heavily averts this trope in its later monsters.
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*** Elephant guns aren't strictly necessary for elephant hunting. In the olden days of unregulated slaughter for ivory many an elephant was killed with the lowly 7x57mm hunting cartridge, today now mostly used (at least in the United States) to bring down the relatively tiny whitetail deer.

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*** Elephant guns aren't strictly necessary for elephant hunting. In the olden days of unregulated slaughter for ivory many an elephant was killed with the lowly 7x57mm hunting cartridge, today now mostly used (at least in the United States) to bring down the relatively tiny whitetail deer. The main advantage of said "elephant guns" was that they could bring down very large game more quickly and more reliably. You could kill an elephant with a 9mm pistol if you had to, but it'd take a while (not as in shooting it until it dies video game style, but rather in waiting for it to bleed out, or with less severe injuries, wait for an infection to develop, since a small cartridge would have a hard time piercing the skull or penetrating to an internal organ). A more powerful firearm has the advantage of being able to bring forth a quicker death from farther away (which helps considering that said elephant may be trying to kill you), but once it dies, dead is dead one way or another.

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* Averted in the InNameOnly american ''{{Godzilla}}'' movie. While Zilla is pretty much immune to small arms fire, big guns and bombs are able to hurt him, and late in the movie he is injured and eventually killed by conventional weaponry.
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* Averted in ''[[PerdidoStreetStation The Scar]]'', where the gargantuan avanc slowly succumbs to infection after it gets injured by the grindylow. We don't actually see what weapons they'd used to damage it, but the lakeful of pus it emits while ailing is a definite sign that it's the infection, not the wounds themselves, that proves fatal.

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* Averted in ''[[PerdidoStreetStation The Scar]]'', ''Literature/TheScar'', where the gargantuan avanc slowly succumbs to infection after it gets injured by the grindylow. We don't actually see what weapons they'd used to damage it, but the lakeful of pus it emits while ailing is a definite sign that it's the infection, not the wounds themselves, that proves fatal.
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* One of the (many) common complaints against MichaelBay's second ''{{Transformers}}'' movie is the presence of human soldiers with rifles during the battle scenes. It seems that they're only there because Bay wants to see their bodies pinwheel through the air from explosions. Never mind that we see [[BigBad Megatron]] himself driven back by concentrated fire from the fleshlings.

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* One of the (many) common complaints against MichaelBay's second ''{{Transformers}}'' ''Film/{{Transformers}}'' movie is the presence of human soldiers with rifles during the battle scenes. It seems that they're only there because Bay wants to see their bodies pinwheel through the air from explosions. Never mind that we see [[BigBad Megatron]] himself driven back by concentrated fire from the fleshlings.
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* In ''TheSimpsons'' "Treehouse of Horror V", giant advertising mascots go on a rampage. Predictably, conventional weapons are useless, but it turns out that [[YourMindMakesItReal our attention makes them real]] and they'll [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly keel over]] if we [[EarWorm just don't look.]]

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* In ''TheSimpsons'' "Treehouse of Horror V", giant advertising mascots go on a rampage. Predictably, conventional weapons are useless, but it turns out that [[YourMindMakesItReal our attention makes them real]] and they'll [[GodsNeedPrayerBadly keel over]] if we [[EarWorm just don't look.]]

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How is the success of weaponry a YMMV? Can someone who saw Final Wars explain? I don\'t think that\'s a subversion.


* In ''{{Godzilla}}: Final Wars'', fans had every reason to expect invincible kaiju. Ryuhei Kitamura attempted to overcome this trope with superhuman mutants and flying battlecruisers with lasers. YourMileageMayVary on whether or not he succeeded.

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* In ''{{Godzilla}}: Final Wars'', fans had every reason to expect invincible kaiju. Ryuhei Kitamura attempted to overcome this trope with superhuman mutants and flying battlecruisers with lasers. YourMileageMayVary on whether or not he succeeded.



** Subverted with the TearJerker ''Godzilla VS Destroyah,'' in which what kills Godzilla isn't a high-tech weapon but rather an overdose of radiation, which causes him to go into nuclear meltdown.

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Non-self explanatory to people who forget about the American film. And to those that didn\'t? Over the top Take That in the --definition-- of a trope.


Of course, there's a good reason many monsters can't be stopped by normal guns. How lame would it be if {{Godzilla}} emerged from the ocean only to be killed by a volley of missiles? [[InNameOnly Oh, wait.]]

Anyway, it would seem that audiences usually like to see a [[PlayingTennisWithTheBoss more]] [[YourMindMakesItReal creative]] [[CosmicKeystone method]] for destroying the monster than MoreDakka.

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Of course, there's a good reason many monsters can't be stopped by normal guns. How lame would it be if {{Godzilla}} emerged from the ocean only to be killed by a volley of missiles? [[InNameOnly Oh, wait.]]

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It would seem that audiences usually like to see a [[PlayingTennisWithTheBoss more]] [[YourMindMakesItReal creative]] [[CosmicKeystone method]] for destroying the monster than MoreDakka.
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Spelling out that this is an aversion


* GGundam has [[{{Badass}} Master Asia]]. He can stop mecha-scaled bullets with his bare hands, kill Mobile Suits with his scarf alone, and can punch a building out of the way with his student. Size alone doesn't automatically make anything invincible here.

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* GGundam has averts this with [[{{Badass}} Master Asia]]. He can stop mecha-scaled bullets with his bare hands, kill Mobile Suits with his scarf alone, and can punch a building out of the way with his student. Size alone doesn't automatically make anything invincible here.
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** Whales can be killed with a simple harpoon, but its not as easy as it seems as they need to nail it at the right spot to make it effective. Then came grenade harpoons.
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* The ''[[EarthDefenseForce2017 Earth Defense Force]]'' series gleefully averts and inverts this. You play as a wimpy looking guy in a baggy jumpsuit who is tasked with killing swarms of giant bugs, towering mechs, kaiju, flying saucers, and walking fortresses. On foot. With conventional weaponry like assault rifles and shotguns. And it works!
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* Played with in One Piece. While more powerful characters tend to be bigger, giants are easily taken down by the more powerful characters. The most brutal subversion was Oars Jr, who though he could take cannonballs with ease and smash through smaller giants (wrap your brain around that), it meant for the truly powerful characters, he just presented a bigger target.



* Played with in One Piece. While more powerful characters tend to be bigger, giants are easily taken down by the more powerful characters. The most brutal subversion was Oars Jr, who though he could take cannonballs with ease and smash through smaller giants (wrap your brain around that), it meant for the truly powerful characters, he just presented a bigger target.

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* Played with in One Piece. While more powerful characters tend to be bigger, giants are easily taken down by the more powerful characters. The most brutal subversion was Oars Jr, who though he could take cannonballs with ease and smash through smaller giants (wrap your brain around that), it meant for the truly powerful characters, he just presented a bigger target.

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* Played with in One Piece. While more powerful characters tend to be bigger, giants are easily taken down by the more powerful characters. The most brutal subversion was Oars Jr, who though he could take cannonballs with ease and smash through smaller giants (wrap your brain around that), it meant for the truly powerful characters, he just presented a bigger target.

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* ''{{Ultraman}}'' lives on this. The Science Patrol always attacks the MonsterOfTheWeek with EnergyWeapon handguns, airplanes, etc., but typically only Ultraman - once he's grown to the same scale as the rampaging monster - can actually defeat the monster.
** Averted occasionally - for example, it's the Science Patrol that actually destroys Zetton (the monster who 'kills' Ultraman). It takes circumstances and (often) special one-of-a-kind weaponry, but the human teams ''are'' capable of protecting Earth on their own. It's even better when the team and the Ultra cooperate.
* A lot of Japanese Tokusatsu shows play this fairly straight, pretty much following the examples of {{Godzilla}} and {{Ultraman}}. In fact, anytime a human-scale character offs a building-sized one, it's likely to be a [[CrowningMomentOfAwesome CMOA]] of some sort.



* ''{{Ultraman}}'' does this too. The Science Patrol always attacks the MonsterOfTheWeek with EnergyWeapon handguns, airplanes, etc., but only Ultraman can actually defeat the monster.
** Averted occasionally - for example, it's the Science Patrol that actually destroys Zetton (the monster who actually 'kills' Ultraman). It takes circumstances and (often) special one-of-a-kind weaponry, but the human teams ''are'' capable of protecting Earth on their own.
* The trope is very much averted in {{Macross}} for both the Zentradi and their battle pods. While Zentradi (at least those of Breti's type) are powerful enough to dismember GiantMecha with their bare hands, human weaponry or Zentradi weapons wielded by humans can take them down in an instant.

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* ''{{Ultraman}}'' does this too. The Science Patrol always attacks the MonsterOfTheWeek with EnergyWeapon handguns, airplanes, etc., but only Ultraman can actually defeat the monster.
** Averted occasionally - for example, it's the Science Patrol that actually destroys Zetton (the monster who actually 'kills' Ultraman). It takes circumstances and (often) special one-of-a-kind weaponry, but the human teams ''are'' capable of protecting Earth on their own.
* The trope is very much averted in {{Macross}} for both the Zentradi and their battle pods. While Zentradi (at least those of Breti's Bretai's type) are powerful enough to dismember GiantMecha with their bare hands, human weaponry or Zentradi weapons wielded by humans can take them down in an instant.
* GiantRobo takes place in a world where 'Experts' have various superpowers and can duke it out with each other, to the detriment of the landscape. But with a title like ''that'', guess where the ''real'' force is. The show mostly plays it straight - Giant ''does'' equal Invincible, unless you're [[DangerousForbiddenTechnique prepared to die soon afterwards]].
* GGundam has [[{{Badass}} Master Asia]]. He can stop mecha-scaled bullets with his bare hands, kill Mobile Suits with his scarf alone, and can punch a building out of the way with his student. Size alone doesn't automatically make anything invincible here.




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* MyLifeAsATeenageRobot has Armagedroid, an older HumongousMecha designed by Dr. Wakeman, which fits this trope to a T. There are a couple of other [[MonsterOfTheWeek giant-sized threats]] throughout the show, but Jenny is able to beat them with some sort of force.
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** Averted occasionally - for example, it's the Science Patrol that actually destroys Zetton (the monster who actually 'kills' Ultraman). It takes circumstances and (often) special one-of-a-kind weaponry, but the human teams ''are'' capable of protecting Earth on their own.
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*** Elephant guns aren't strictly necessary for elephant hunting. In the olden days of unregulated slaughter for ivory many an elephant was killed withthe lowly 7x57mm hunting cartridge, today now mostly used (at least in the United States) to bring down the relatively tiny whitetail deer.

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*** Elephant guns aren't strictly necessary for elephant hunting. In the olden days of unregulated slaughter for ivory many an elephant was killed withthe with the lowly 7x57mm hunting cartridge, today now mostly used (at least in the United States) to bring down the relatively tiny whitetail deer.

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** They are resistant to many small arms fire, that is what [[BFG elephant guns]] are for.

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** They are resistant to many small arms fire, that is what [[BFG [[{{BFG}} elephant guns]] are for.for.
*** Elephant guns aren't strictly necessary for elephant hunting. In the olden days of unregulated slaughter for ivory many an elephant was killed withthe lowly 7x57mm hunting cartridge, today now mostly used (at least in the United States) to bring down the relatively tiny whitetail deer.

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