History Main / FurAgainstFang

* ''KamenRiderKiva'' has 16 demon races, most of which bear a severe grudge against the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Fangire]] because they've hunted the others to near-extinction. Of course, this includes the [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent Wolfen]], whose [[LastOfHisKind last survivor]] Jiro/Garulu really despises the Fangire in particular and [[ImplacableMan Rook]], the one who actually did the job, in specific.

* Nina Delacroix in ''EerieCuties'' upon meeting a [[http://www.eeriecuties.com/d/20090817.html werewolf boy]] discovered this and shared her [[http://www.eeriecuties.com/d/20090826.html peculiar theory]].

In many ways, the legends of [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent werewolves]] and [[OurVampiresAreDifferent vampires]] spring from similar sources, but recently popular fiction has fleshed them out, made them into ''species'', and gave them cultural traits.

Like ElvesVsDwarves (or [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot pirates vs. ninjas]]) they probably don't like each other. [[RuleOfCool Wouldn't it be awesome]] if they [[{{Ultimate Showdown Of Ultimate Destiny}} fought each other?]]

* Happens in ''{{CSI}}'' of all shows during a Halloween episode where a Lycanthrope is beaten to death by Sanguinarians. Turns out [[spoiler:he used to be a Sanguinarian and when he decided to change things up both groups got pissed and killed him]].

** This trope has been excised from the "new" ''World of Darkness'' (''Vampire: The Requiem'' & ''Werewolf: The Forsaken''). Whether vampires and werewolves fight against each other or work together is wholly dependent on their personal choices, although the standard seems to be that they are content to stay away from each other out of mutual fear of the unknown. In mixed groups, InterspeciesRomance is usually the first thing that happens, OrSoIHeard.

As a whole, this trope might be NewerThanTheyThink. In much legends and folklore that mentions both vampires and werewolves the two are not only not antagonistic they are often ''connected'', with various beliefs than an improperly disposed off werewolf would actually come back as a vampire.

And yes, we know werewolves have fangs too. We just like the [[AddedAlliterativeAppeal alliteration]]. Plus, like how you don't think "zebra" when you hear hoofbeats, you don't think "werewolf" when you hear "fang". But on to the examples...

* While mostly averted in ''DanceInTheVampireBund'', where werewolves are elite bodyguards for the Vampiric royal lines, Mina forces her BodyguardCrush to fight her in a brutal hand to hand fight at the end of an early arc.

* It's a lot of stretch, but {{Touhou}} ''Imperishable Night'' qualify for this trope. One playable team includes the vampire [[YourVampiresSuck Remillia Scarlet]], and Keine Kamishirasawa (who is a [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent werehakutaku]]) is the stage 3 boss.

* In ''TheRealGhostbusters'' episode "Welcome To Lupusville" a group of vampires lure the ghostbusters to an isolated town filled with odd but friendly people. Once they realise whats going on the ghostbusters free the captured townsfolk only to find them more than eager to take on the vampires themselves. Angry and now under a full moon they transform into werewolves and proceed to kick vampire ass. The 'busters do the rational thing and [[KnowWhenToFoldEm get the hell out of dodge]].
** Hilariously, as the two sides fight, each werewolf bitten by a vampire instantly becomes a vampire, while every vampire succumbing to a werewolf bite joins the lupines.

*** That's what they say, but considering that every Vampire, except for like 3, has PlotArmor thicker then [[{{Naruto}} Sasuke's]] and the fact that at least One Vampire is mentioned to have fought one to a draw, that seems like a gross over-estimation

** Averted in Mitchell and George's incredibly rare case: they're BFF against all odds.

*** Should be noted that the Austrailian tribe was wiped out because the Black Spiral Dancers manipulated the werewolf tendancy to shred first, ask questions later, specifically to get the "good" werewolves to commit the unthinkable crime of wiping out a tribe.

*** However, Wyrm Taint isn't like evil, just because you have some doesn't mean you're of the wyrm, it may merely mean you hang out in/with the wrong places/people.
** Also ''everyone'' hates vampires in TheWorldOfDarkness, at least in the old one. The only supernatural factions whose default policy isn't "kill on sight" in Revised edition is those who have very little to no contact with them. That's because vampires generally range from power-mongering, treacherous {{Manipulative Bastard}}s to depraved psychopaths and every faction with any clue in metaphysics (mages that care, werewolves, changelings, demons) has their own reasons to perceive their very existence as an affront. Werewolf/vampire conflict is simply the most famous as the first and the most fierce.

** It is thus ironic that in both versions of TheWorldOfDarkness (although especially the earlier one), getting a Vampire and Werewolf to team up could be amazingly effective. Werewolves, with their sturdy constitutions and HealingFactor, could function as walking blood banks for the Vamps, as well as safeguard their lairs during the day- while Vampires had a lot of blood-fueled magical or semi-magical abilities that could make them temporarily (or situationally, if you need to use something other than the Wolves' brute force) more powerful. Which is not to mention the fact that in the first version, at least, drinking Werewolf blood would supercharge Vamps, making it even more of an exploit.

*** But even then, Werewolves needing hocus-pocus would most likely turn to a theurge (a Werewolf who first changed under the crescent moon), especially one from the more mystical [[{{Splat}} tribes]], or even a ''human'' [[MageTheAscension Mage/Sorcerer]] before getting in bed with a Vampire. The same way most Kindred would sooner call a Vampire with Fortitude if they need extra muscle. You're more likely to get cooperation between clans and tribes that share the same goals like the Tremere and Uktena (magic), or the Ventrue and Glass Walkers (business), and the splatbooks often speak of such alliances.
** One of the first 'Sixth Rank' gifts to appear in Werewolf had no purpose but to destroy Vampires, and could do so instantly and irrevocably. It was removed from later editions where it became standard for every tribe and some auspices to have an exemplar Sixth Rank power.
** This trope has been excised from the "new" ''World of Darkness'' (''Vampire: The Requiem'' & ''Werewolf: The Forsaken''). Whether Vampires and Werewolves fight against each other or work together is wholly dependent on their personal choices, although the standard seems to be that they are content to stay away from each other out of mutual fear of the unknown. In mixed groups, InterspeciesRomance is usually the first thing that happens, OrSoIHeard.

* Since it has roots as a fan-made expansion of the WorldOfDarkness above, ''TechInfantry'' of course carries over the hatred between Vampires and Werewolves. Once the EarthFederation was established, all werecreatures (wolves, tigers, rhinos, etc.) are drafted into the titular Tech Infantry SpaceMarines to fight the alien [[BugWar Arachnids]]. Since the bugs threaten them too, the Vampire Kingdom of Enoch sends occasional ghouls and low-level vampires to join the Tech Infantry, and they do work together surprisingly well. But for the most part, Vampires are hated and hunted throughout the Earth Federation and later the Middle Kingdom.

** Darkovia in ''AdventureQuestWorlds'' was locked in a conflict between the Vampires led by their queen Safiria and the Lycans led by the Werewolf King (the title of which changed hands when the player arrived!). The player was sent there in order to get support for both sides against the Chaos Lord Wolfwing, a Werepyre who has been chaorrupted by the game's BigBad Drakath, who created an army of werepyres and chaorrupted certain werewolves and vampires and sent them against their respective opposing faction, culminating in having a dragon captured and turning it into a Dracowerepyre, the Chaos Beast of that particular saga. There was even a war that went down where the players threw in with either the Vampires or the Lycans and tried to beat the other faction to 100%. [[spoiler:The Lycans won the war]].
* The X-Box 360 game ''OperationDarkness'' has Werewolf Allies fighting Vampire-aided Hitler and his {{Ghostapo}}.

* [[http://www.bitefight.org/ BiteFight]] Game Forge's browser-based RPG is just that.

** The resulting battle was a huge fray where werewolves turned into vampires and visa versa. Each bite would cause the monsters to rapidly grow/shed fur/bat wings. Which was precisely WHY the Ghostbusters ran for the hills rather than duke it out ("Peter, so what happens when a vampire bites a werewolf and a werewolf bites a vampire...?") and destroy the only bridge out of town on the way, imprisoning the were-vamps (as anything vampiric could not cross running water.)

* Inverted in ''TheSagaOfDarrenShan''. In the books, Vampires and Wolves are from the same bloodline.

* In ''TheRealGhostbusters'' episode "Welcome To Lupusville" a group of vampires lure the ghostbusters to an isolated town filled with odd but friendly people. Once they realise whats going on the ghostbusters free the captured townsfolk only to find them more than eager to take on the vampires themselves. Angry and now under a full moon they transform into werewolves and proceed to kick vampire ass.

TheWorldOfDarkness popularized this trope, but it was present before. Compare MonsterMash, where they're cooperative, if not friendly. A subtrope of CoolVersusAwesome.

** On the other hand, one should also understand that werewolves can mystically sense Wyrm-taint, and 90%+ of vampires do indeed have such taint. Vampires are also the powers behind the scene for many atrocities committed throughout history, such as the sack of near-utopian Carthage by the Romans mostly out of spite, and dating back to the [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]]. Vampires tend to become Chessmasters, and have to be thoroughly ruthless or they won't survive for a century.

** they each have there own racial slurs such as “leech” and “dog”

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* The Wolfman first fought Dracula in visual media in the 1948 comedy ''AbbottAndCostello Meet Frankenstein'' where the WolfMan is depicted as a hero who rescued the titular duo.
* In 1974, the Dracula/Wolfman rivalry was present in MarvelComics, and could be seen throughout ''Tomb Of Dracula #18'' and ''Werewolf By Night #15''.
* The 1991 direct to video film ''TheHowling IV: The Freaks'' had a werewolf protagonist fighting against a vampire villain.
** Just for fun they also had some carnival freaks in the fray.
* Only a werewolf can kill Dracula in the 2004 movie ''VanHelsing'', [[spoiler:which the title character himself inadvertently becomes, briefly]].
* A recent article in ''Pyramid'' role-playing magazine combines this with the "Ninja vs Pirate" internet meme, and indeed NinjaPirateRobotZombie. Yes, it's Werewolf Pirates versus Vampire Ninjas!

* It's a lot of stretch, but {{Touhou}} ''Imperishable Night'' qualify for this trope. One playable team includes the vampire [[YourVampiresSuck Remillia Scarlet]], and Keine Kamishirasawa (who is a [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent werehakutaku]]) is the stage 3 boss.
*Seras Victoria and The Captain fight from {{Hellsing}}

* In the {{Soul Eater}} manga, Death The Kid (who, for bonus points, is a shinigami) [[spoiler: teams up with the immortal werewolf Free to fight the bloodsucking Mosquito, who eventually takes on a very vampiric form. Partially subverted because, once Mosquito takes on this form, Free doesn't actively participate in the battle and it becomes a one-on-one fight.]]
* While mostly averted in DanceInTheVampireBund, where werewolves are elite bodyguards for the Vampiric royal lines, Mina forces her BodyguardCrush to fight her in a brutal hand to hand fight at the end of an early arc.
* In ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'', Angelus framed Oz for a murder he committed. This was more a plot to screw with Buffy and her friends(Willow had started dating Oz, not knowing that he was a werewolf).
* ''TheDresdenFiles'' features a group of college-age, amateur monster-hunters known as the "Alphas," who have learned who to turn themselves into enormous wolves. They use their abilities to protect Chicago's university district from various monster threats, including the occasional vampire attack. Later on, in ''Turn Coat'', two of the Alphas fight a White Court vampire straight-up and manage to defeat her with repeated hit-and-run attacks.

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* JMichaelStraczynski wrote an episode of ''TheRealGhostbusters'', "No One Comes To Lupusville" ([[{{House}} They never come to Lupusville]]), that had warring clans of vampires and werewolves. (The resulting fracas had the Ghostbusters running for the hills.)
** The resulting battle was a huge fray where werewolves turned into vampires and visa versa. Each bite would cause the monsters to rapidly grow/shed fur/bat wings. Which was precisely WHY the Ghostbusters ran for the hills rather than duke it out ("Peter, so what happens when a vampire bites a werewolf and a werewolf bites a vampire...?") and destroy the only bridge out of town on the way, imprisoning the were-vamps (as anything vampiric could not cross running water.)
* Of course, the example that catapulted this concept into recent memory would be the original version of TheWorldOfDarkness, where werewolves and vampires ''hate'' each other. Later versions downplayed the CrossOver aspect of this, but this is what stood out. The reason for the original hatred was because werewolves saw vampires as agents of their sworn enemy, the Wyrm (a CosmicHorror bent towards eternal suffering and decay) -- and since most of the vampires in the setting see killing as "just another thing" after a while, they're not entirely wrong. However, their tendency to strike at vampires regardless of how corrupt they are drives it into dickery.
**One should understand that (most of) the werewolves have KnightTemplar tendencies, and tend to think with their claws. Their backstory has them doing regular genetic weeding among humans, as well as committing genocide against every other shapeshifter race, as well as their own Australian tribe, driven by the werewolves' own brand of ''Manifest Destiny''. (While yet another werewolf tribe, the Black Spiral Dancers, actually became tainted and joined the enemy, a.k.a. the Wyrm.) The primary way in which vampires differ is that the wolves haven't ''succeeded'' at wiping them out.
***Should be noted that the Austrailian tribe was wiped out because the Black Spiral Dancers manipulated the werewolf tendancy to shred first, ask questions later, specifically to get the "good" werewolves to commit the unthinkable crime of wiping out a tribe.
**On the other hand, one should also understand that werewolves can mystically sense Wyrm-taint, and 90%+ of vampires do indeed have such taint. Vampires are also the powers behind the scene for many atrocities committed throughout history, such as the sack of near-utopian Carthage by the Romans mostly out of spite, and dating back to the [[CainAndAbel Cain and Abel]]. Vampires tend to become Chessmasters, and have to be thoroughly ruthless or they won't survive for a century.
***However, Wyrm Taint isn't like evil, just because you have some doesn't mean you're of the wyrm, it may merely mean you hang out in/with the wrong places/people.
**Also ''everyone'' hates vampires in TheWorldOfDarkness, at least in the old one. The only supernatural factions whose default policy isn't "kill on sight" in Revised edition is those who have very little to no contact with them. That's because vampires generally range from power-mongering, treacherous {{Manipulative Bastard}}s to depraved psychopaths and every faction with any clue in metaphysics (mages that care, werewolves, changelings, demons) has their own reasons to perceive their very existence as an affront. Werewolf/vampire conflict is simply the most famous as the first and the most fierce.
***The official fiction has a demon being very curious about a vampire and his supposed link to Cain. Demons have been locked away for millenia, and so aren't exactly up on the current metaphysicals.
** It is thus ironic that in both versions of TheWorldOfDarkness (although especially the earlier one), getting a Vampire and Werewolf to team up could be amazingly effective. Werewolves, with their sturdy constitutions and HealingFactor, could function as walking blood banks for the Vamps, as well as safeguard their lairs during the day- while Vampires had a lot of blood-fueled magical or semi-magical abilities that could make them temporarily (or situationally, if you need to use something other than the Wolves' brute force) more powerful. Which is not to mention the fact that in the first version, at least, drinking Werewolf blood would supercharge Vamps, making it even more of an exploit.
*** The latter edition keeps some of this. Werewolf blood is far richer and more potent than human blood, reducing the amount that needs to be taken in a feeding. It also adds a downside - werewolf blood brings out the "beast" in the vampire, making them much more likely to succumb to murderous rage when offended or hungry. Similarly, mages can learn powerful healing spells... but mage blood is hallucinogenic, driving the imbiber a little bit insane.
***But even then, Werewolves needing hocus-pocus would most likely turn to a theurge (a Werewolf who first changed under the crescent moon), especially one from the more mystical [[{{Splat}} tribes]], or even a ''human'' [[MageTheAscension Mage/Sorcerer]] before getting in bed with a Vampire. The same way most Kindred would sooner call a Vampire with Fortitude if they need extra muscle. You're more likely to get cooperation between clans and tribes that share the same goals like the Tremere and Uktena (magic), or the Ventrue and Glass Walkers (business), and the splatbooks often speak of such alliances.
**One of the first 'Sixth Rank' gifts to appear in Werewolf had no purpose but to destroy Vampires, and could do so instantly and irrevocably. It was removed from later editions where it became standard for every tribe and some auspices to have an exemplar Sixth Rank power.
**This trope has been excised from the "new" ''World of Darkness'' (''Vampire: The Requiem'' & ''Werewolf: The Forsaken''). Whether Vampires and Werewolves fight against each other or work together is wholly dependent on their personal choices, although the standard seems to be that they are content to stay away from each other out of mutual fear of the unknown. In mixed groups, InterspeciesRomance is usually the first thing that happens, OrSoIHeard.
*** One of the first books in the ''WerewolfTheForsaken'' line, ''Hunting Grounds: the Rockies'', parodies the trope with Black Moon [[XtremeKoolLetterz Extreme]], a pack of young cubs who decide the best way to aid Denver is to hunt down vampires and look cool while doing it. While some pack members have good reason to have vampires -- and Denver has had a bad history with the bloodsuckers -- the pack's alpha is basically just doing it for an ego trip, and a lot of the other packs think they're posers who are going to do something hideously stupid one day.
** The finalized edition of fan-made expansion ''GeniusTheTransgression'' has a take on each of the above with a MadScientist faction; Geniuses and vampires actually get along pretty well (fittingly), though Genius blood is no different from mortal blood (how [[WeirdScience Wonders]] can help a vampire is another story entirely...). Also fitting, Geniuses and werewolves don't get along at all, but the interaction between [[MagicVersusScience Geniuses and Mages]] is... interesting. The main [[AncientConspiracy Ancient Conspiracies]] of the two groups actually seem to be ''incapable'' of noticing each other.
* In the book series ''[[TheDarkHunters Dark Hunters]]'', the [[VoluntaryShapeshifting Were Hunters]] and the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Dark Hunters]] tolerate each other. But just barely.
* Since it has roots as a fan-made expansion of the WorldOfDarkness above, ''TechInfantry'' of course carries over the hatred between Vampires and Werewolves. Once the EarthFederation was established, all werecreatures (wolves, tigers, rhinos, etc.) are drafted into the titular Tech Infantry SpaceMarines to fight the alien [[BugWar Arachnids]]. Since the bugs threaten them too, the Vampire Kingdom of Enoch sends occasional ghouls and low-level vampires to join the Tech Infantry, and they do work together surprisingly well. But for the most part, Vampires are hated and hunted throughout the Earth Federation and later the Middle Kingdom.
* The ''[[AnitaBlakeVampireHunter Anita Blake]]'' novels. Generally the vampires in this universe view shapeshifters as animals, or at best moderately useful tools. Jean-Claude is very rare among vampires in that he has alliances with many of the local were-groups. This is so unusual that he says at one point other vampires with an eye toward conquering his territory will think him weaker than he is because they won't view as relevant any weregroups other than his "animal to call". (Animal with which he has magical affinity- in Jean-Claude's case this is wolves and werewolves). Then again you can't entirely blame them for thinking that, since different were-animal groups usually can't even get along with ''each other'', much less anybody else.

* The online game ''AdventureQuest'' borrows much from the ''Underworld'' movies, and the Vampire/Werewolf conflict consumes most of the HammerHorror section known as Darkovia.
** And ''then'' there are the [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot Werepyres]].
** And '''then''' they added [[NinjaPirateZombieRobot DRACOpyres]]. In case that didn't make sense, it's vampire, werewolf, and DRAGON.
** Darkovia in ''AdventureQuestWorlds'' was locked in a conflict between the Vampires led by their queen Safiria and the Lycans led by the Werewolf King (the title of which changed hands when the player arrived!). The player was sent there in order to get support for both sides against the Chaos Lord Wolfwing, a Werepyre who has been chaorrupted by the game's BigBad Drakath, who created an army of werepyres and chaorrupted certain werewolves and vampires and sent them against their respective opposing faction, culminating in having a dragon captured and turning it into a Dracowerepyre, the Chaos Beast of that particular saga. There was even a war that went down where the players threw in with either the Vampires or the Lycans and tried to beat the other faction to 100%. [[spoiler:The Lycans won the war]].
* The X-Box 360 game ''OperationDarkness'' has Werewolf Allies fighting Vampire-aided Hitler and his {{Ghostapo}}.
** Which is kind of ironic, since in real life the Nazis had a division called the "Werewolves" (not actually shapeshifters, [[BeethovenWasAnAlienSpy as far as we know]]).
** Especially ironic because the Brits had (have?) an Vampire Squadron, who were pretty heavily decorated in WW2.

* In ''BeingHuman'', vampires ''loathe'' werewolves, for whatever reason: they're called "freaks" and "dogs" to their faces, and vampires are seen to beat up werewolves with no provocation. What werewolves as a group think of vampires isn't really known--especially since werewolves seem to be extremely rare--but apparently they just steer clear of the "psychotic bastards".
** Averted in Mitchell and George's incredibly rare case: they're BFF against all odds.

* In the old Basic/Expert/etc D&D system, powerful vampires could use their ability to control wolves, rats, and bats to control ''their lycanthropic equivalents'' as well. Not surprisingly, this made the not-yet-controlled werewolves, wererats and werebats extremely leery of vampires, though they weren't openly at war with them.

* ''KamenRiderKiva'' has 16 demon races, most of which bear a severe grudge against the [[OurVampiresAreDifferent Fangire]] because they've hunted the others to near-extinction. Of course, this includes the [[OurWerewolvesAreDifferent Wolfen]], whose [[LastOfHisKind last survivor]] Jiro/Garulu really despises the Fangire in particular and [[ImplacableMan Rook]], the one who actually did the job, in specific.
* The comic ''Werewolves on the Moon: Versus Vampires'', seriously.
* In the game [[FatalHearts Fatal Hearts]], the vampires and the werewolves each think the others are soulless murderers who must be destroyed at all costs, and woe to anyone who gets in their way.
* [[http://www.bitefight.org/ BiteFight]] Game Forge's browser-based RPG is just that.

* Two episodes of TalesFromTheCrypt had this as a twist ending, with opposing conclusions:
** In the episode "The Secret", an orphan is adopted by a wealthy, childless couple, who turn out to be vampires. After they hunt him down at the end, the child reveals he's a werewolf, and promptly kills them.

* TarotWitchOfTheBlackRose has a were-cat named Boo Cat in a sexual relationship with a vampire named Liquorice Dust. At least 3 of the vampire's friends don't mind, and have joined in. However, the same issue had a werewolf who had very different ideas on inter-species romances. It also featured an {{Anvilicious}} speech, a {{Stripperiffic}} Little Red Riding Hood costume, and an example of why you shouldn't try to force your tongue down the throat of an angry were-creature.
* Subverted as a joke in the comic ''Supernatural Law''. The receptionist for [[OccultLawFirm the titular law firm]] is dismayed to realize that she's booked appointments for a werewolf and a vampire at the same time: "You know what happens when they meet. You can't pull 'em apart..." Cut to the two merrily exchanging jokes. "...when they're into their shop talk."

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* BattlefieldHeroes just recently added vampire skins for the Nationals and werewolf skins for the Royals.

** The resulting battle was a huge fray where werewolves turned into vampires and visa versa. Each bite would cause the monsters to rapidly grow/shed fur/bat wings. Eventually resulting in nothing but combination monsters -- werewolves sprouting enormous bat wings, vampires sprouting wolf heads.... which was precisely WHY the Ghostbusters ran for the hills rather than duke it out ("Peter, so what happens when a vampire bites a werewolf and a werewolf bites a vampire...?") and destroy the only bridge out of town on the way, imprisoning the were-vamps (as anything vampiric could not cross running water.)

** The resulting battle was a huge fray where werewolves turned into vampires and visa versa. Each bite would cause the monsters to rapidly grow/shed fur/bat wings. There were no combination monsters ;(.
***incorrect, the few seconds of footage of the battle had nothing BUT combination monsters--- werewolves sprouting enormous bat wings, vampires sprouting wolf heads.... which was precisely WHY the Ghostbusters ran for the hills rather than duke it out ("Peter, so what happens when a vampire bites a werewolf and a werewolf bites a vampire...?") and destroy the only bridge out of town on the way, imprisoning the were-vamps (as anything vampiric could not cross running water.)

* The KingsQuest 2 FanRemake uses this to great effect. In the original game, the monk gives you a key to the vampire's castle, you trick your way into the castle, stake the vampire, and grab the key. The remake version subverts the hell out of it. The "friendly" monk at the local church [[spoiler: is leader of a werewolf pack that has been mercilessly hunting down the ruler's family. In fact, THEY were the ones responsible for turning the count of Kolyma into a vampire in the first place]]. It also turns out that [[spoiler: the grandma and LittleRedRidingHood expies are the Countess and the Count's granddaughter]], forced to flee for their lives due to the persecution.