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18th Jan '17 2:09:25 PM gb00393
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* ''Series/GameOfThrones'':
** Vows of chastity are integral to orders such as the Night's Watch, Kingsguard, and Maesters of the Citadel, but LoopholeAbuse is common since the ExactWords often only forbid wives and children. The nearest town to Castle Black even has a thriving brothel catering to black brothers of the Night's Watch.
** A major reason for Jaime Lannister's openness about his lack of honour is his disgust with being vilified as TheOathbreaker for killing the Mad King despite solemn oaths of loyalty and moral behaviour being violated on all sides.
** The Hound consistently refuses knighthood because he considers their vows to be this. Thoroughly reprehensible men like his brother Gregor are knights, so in the Hound's opinion knights are just killers pretending not to be. He prefers to forgo the pretense altogether.
15th Jan '17 9:49:01 PM DustSnitch
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* [[GrimReaper Death]] of the {{Literature/Discworld}} is bound by The Duty to impartially collect souls, and has apparently done so offscreen very diligently for thousands of years, but in the books themselves he has a breakdown and [[DeathTakesAHoliday runs off]] more than once, and also spares people's lives repeatedly because of curiosity or pity or personal relations or because [[BadAss Granny Weatherwax]] asks him to. (He also killed someone for no reason in the first book, but that was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn before his character was really decided]].)

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* [[GrimReaper Death]] of the {{Literature/Discworld}} is bound by The Duty to impartially collect souls, and has apparently done so offscreen very diligently for thousands of years, but in the books themselves he has a breakdown and [[DeathTakesAHoliday runs off]] more than once, and also spares people's lives repeatedly because of curiosity or pity or personal relations or because [[BadAss Granny Weatherwax]] Weatherwax asks him to. (He also killed someone for no reason in the first book, but that was [[CharacterizationMarchesOn before his character was really decided]].)
25th Dec '16 3:21:38 PM Morgenthaler
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** "The Drumhead" reveals that even ''Picard'', by far the most diplomatic Captain, nonetheless had ''nine'' separate violations on his record. This was a late season 4 episode, meaning he had dozens more episodes and four movies in which to rack up more violations.

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** ''Series/StarTrekTheNextGeneration'' episode "The Drumhead" reveals that even ''Picard'', by far the most diplomatic Captain, nonetheless had ''nine'' separate violations on his record. This was a late season 4 episode, meaning he had dozens more episodes and four movies in which to rack up more violations.
6th Dec '16 4:07:14 PM Dravencour
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** Usef frequently, even to the point of RunningGag extremes. Many major groups in the setting take vows of chastity (Maesters of the Citadel, Black Brothers of the Night's Watch, brothers of the Kingsguard, etc.) and few of them take the vow even a little bit seriously. (The Night's Watch gets by on a bit of LoopholeAbuse: their vow is to [[ExactWords "take no wife and father no children,"]] and given the ubiquity of [[FantasyContraception moon tea and tansy]] in the setting, as long as they stick to whores who know their business, there's relatively little chance of that.)

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** Usef Used frequently, even to the point of RunningGag extremes. Many major groups in the setting take vows of chastity (Maesters of the Citadel, Black Brothers of the Night's Watch, brothers of the Kingsguard, etc.) and few of them take the vow even a little bit seriously. (The Night's Watch gets by on a bit of LoopholeAbuse: their vow is to [[ExactWords "take no wife and father no children,"]] and given the ubiquity of [[FantasyContraception moon tea and tansy]] in the setting, as long as they stick to whores who know their business, there's relatively little chance of that.)
26th Oct '16 1:56:08 PM Morgenthaler
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26th Oct '16 1:55:46 PM Morgenthaler
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* Roger Smith of ''Anime/TheBigO'' often says that violence is a last resort in his negotiations... but then, we would never get to see him kick ass in his HumongousMecha if negotiations didn't break down on a regular basis, now would we?

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* Roger Smith of ''Anime/TheBigO'' often says that violence is a last resort in his negotiations... but then, we would never get to see him kick ass in his HumongousMecha if negotiations didn't break down on a regular basis, now would we? we?



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* Averted by the Quakers (a religious group, also called "The society of friends"), who take the Bible's word on not swearing oaths seriously. Thus, they manage to stick to the principles that are in the Bible, the ones of their own religious society (there are several cases in history where Quakers got in trouble for refusing to swear oaths), and don't get into the predicament of having to break vows, as they never made them in the first place.

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* Averted by the Quakers (a religious group, also called "The society of friends"), who take the Bible's word on not swearing oaths seriously. Thus, they manage to stick to the principles that are in the Bible, the ones of their own religious society (there are several cases in history where Quakers got in trouble for refusing to swear oaths), and don't get into the predicament of having to break vows, as they never made them in the first place.place.

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26th Oct '16 1:25:12 PM Morgenthaler
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* Used frequently in ''{{A Song of Ice and Fire}}'', even to the point of RunningGag extremes. Many major groups in the setting take vows of chastity (Maesters of the Citadel, Black Brothers of the Night's Watch, brothers of the Kingsguard, etc.) and few of them take the vow even a little bit seriously. (The Night's Watch gets by on a bit of LoopholeAbuse: their vow is to [[ExactWords "take no wife and father no children,"]] and given the ubiquity of [[FantasyContraception moon tea and tansy]] in the setting, as long as they stick to whores who know their business, there's relatively little chance of that.)

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* Used frequently in ''{{A Song of Ice and Fire}}'', ''Literature/ASongOfIceAndFire'':
** Usef frequently,
even to the point of RunningGag extremes. Many major groups in the setting take vows of chastity (Maesters of the Citadel, Black Brothers of the Night's Watch, brothers of the Kingsguard, etc.) and few of them take the vow even a little bit seriously. (The Night's Watch gets by on a bit of LoopholeAbuse: their vow is to [[ExactWords "take no wife and father no children,"]] and given the ubiquity of [[FantasyContraception moon tea and tansy]] in the setting, as long as they stick to whores who know their business, there's relatively little chance of that.)
11th May '16 10:43:31 PM KingLyger
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* Discussed in the ''WritingExcuses'' episode on Comedy: putting a character in a situation in which violating their principles is easy and adhering to them is painful is a good and fairly easy way to create humour or drama, but you can't keep forcing them to break their principles or they stop being principles.

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* Discussed in the ''WritingExcuses'' episode on Comedy: putting Comedy. The podcast says that if an author puts a character in a situation in which violating their principles is easy would be easy, and adhering to them is painful is would be painful, that's a good and fairly easy way to create humour humor or drama, but you depending on what the author is going for. However, an author can't keep forcing them a character to break their principles principles, or they else they'll stop being principles.
16th Apr '16 2:44:15 PM ading
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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter,'' the Unforgivable Curses are so bad that using them on a human gets a life sentence in [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]]. In the fifth book, [[TheHero Harry]] briefly uses the [[ToThePain Cruciatus Curse]] on [[TheDragon Bellatrix]] after she [[spoiler:kills [[ParentalSubstitute Sirius]]]]. Okay, it was an extreme situation...and then he tries to use it on [[spoiler:[[AmbiguouslyEvil Snape]]]] in the next book. Okay, don't make a habit of this, Harry. Then, in the final book, he uses the [[MindControl Imperius Curse]] to avoid being caught by a villain. Well, it was life or death... And then he uses the Cruciatus again when a bad guy [[DisproportionateRetribution spits on]] [[IronLady McGonagall]]. [[WhatTheHellHero And she praises him for it]]. "Unforgivable" my ass.

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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter,'' the Unforgivable Curses are so bad that using them on a human gets a life sentence in [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]]. In the fifth book, [[TheHero Harry]] briefly uses the [[ToThePain Cruciatus Curse]] on [[TheDragon Bellatrix]] after she [[spoiler:kills [[ParentalSubstitute Sirius]]]]. Okay, it was an extreme situation...and then he tries to use it on [[spoiler:[[AmbiguouslyEvil Snape]]]] in the next book. Okay, don't make a habit of this, Harry. Then, in the final book, he uses the [[MindControl Imperius Curse]] to avoid being caught by a villain. Well, it was life or death... And then he uses the Cruciatus again when a bad guy [[DisproportionateRetribution spits on]] [[IronLady McGonagall]]. [[WhatTheHellHero And she praises him for it]]. "Unforgivable" my ass.it.
9th Jan '16 5:17:19 PM JoeMerl
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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter,'' the Unforgivable Curses are so bad that using them on a human gets a life sentence in [[TheAlcatraz Azkaban]]. In the fifth book, [[TheHero Harry]] briefly uses the [[ToThePain Cruciatus Curse]] on [[TheDragon Bellatrix]] after she [[spoiler:kills [[ParentalSubstitute Sirius]]]]. Okay, it was an extreme situation...and then he tries to use it on [[spoiler:[[AmbiguouslyEvil Snape]]]] in the next book. Okay, don't make a habit of this, Harry. Then, in the final book, he uses the [[MindControl Imperius Curse]] to avoid being caught by a villain. Well, it was life or death... And then he uses the Cruciatus again when a bad guy [[DisproportionateRetribution spits on]] [[IronLady McGonagall]]. [[WhatTheHellHero And she praises him for it]]. "Unforgivable" my ass.
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