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19th Feb '18 8:43:29 PM marcoasalazarm
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* ''Series/CSINewYork'': The MonsterOfTheWeek in one episode turned out to be one of these. After losing his childhood friend in an accident involving a toy submarine that they bought, believing the advertisement a bit too much (the friend drowned), the man grew up and had a child of his own, that he utterly prevented of having distractions of any kind, no comics or toys and even forbidding him from leaving home except to go to school. His wife eventually divorced him because of this, and acknowledging the trauma had made him a monstrous parent, he decided to get payback on the man who (allegedly) made him this way by gifting the toymaker an ExplodingCigar capable of ''tearing his head to shreds'' (and that got taken by another man... the father calmly accepted going to jail in the knowledge that the accidental death and the reason it happened would probably haunt the toy man for the rest of his days).

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* ''Series/CSINewYork'': ''Series/{{CSINY}}'': The MonsterOfTheWeek in one episode turned out to be one of these. After losing his childhood friend in an accident involving a toy submarine that they bought, believing the advertisement a bit too much (the friend drowned), the man grew up and had a child of his own, that he utterly prevented of having distractions of any kind, no comics or toys and even forbidding him from leaving home except to go to school. His wife eventually divorced him because of this, and acknowledging the trauma had made him a monstrous parent, he decided to get payback on the man who (allegedly) made him this way by gifting the toymaker an ExplodingCigar capable of ''tearing his head to shreds'' (and that got taken by another man... the father calmly accepted going to jail in the knowledge that the accidental death and the reason it happened would probably haunt the toy man for the rest of his days).
19th Feb '18 8:42:43 PM marcoasalazarm
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* Creator/DeanKoontz has a rather tragic variation in his short story ''Twilight of the Dawn'', wherein a staunch atheist man is determined to raise his son with the same views, rejecting anything fantastical, supernatural or "irrational". The man's wife dies and the young son begins trying to pray as a way to cope, much to his father's angry frustration. When the little boy gets cancer [[spoiler: and then dies]] the father still refuses to accept the boy's hope and faith until far later.

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* Creator/DeanKoontz has a rather tragic variation in his short story ''Twilight of the Dawn'', wherein a staunch atheist man is determined to raise his son with the same views, rejecting anything fantastical, supernatural or "irrational". The man's wife dies and the young son begins trying to pray as a way to cope, much to his father's angry frustration. When the little boy gets cancer [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and then dies]] the father still refuses to accept the boy's hope and faith until far later.



* ''Series/CSINY'': The KillerOfTheWeek in one episode turned out to be one of these. After losing his childhood friend in an accident involving a toy submarine that they bought, believing the advertisement a bit too much (the friend drowned), the man grew up and had a child of his own, that he utterly prevented of having distractions of any kind, no comics or toys and even forbidding him from leaving home except to go to school. His wife eventually divorced him because of this, and acknowledging the trauma had made him a monstrous parent, he decided to get payback on the man who (allegedly) made him this way by gifting the toymaker an ExplodingCigar capable of ''tearing his head to shreds'' (and that got taken by another man... the father calmly accepted going to jail in the knowledge that the accidental death and the reason it happened would probably haunt the toy man for the rest of his days).

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* ''Series/CSINY'': ''Series/CSINewYork'': The KillerOfTheWeek MonsterOfTheWeek in one episode turned out to be one of these. After losing his childhood friend in an accident involving a toy submarine that they bought, believing the advertisement a bit too much (the friend drowned), the man grew up and had a child of his own, that he utterly prevented of having distractions of any kind, no comics or toys and even forbidding him from leaving home except to go to school. His wife eventually divorced him because of this, and acknowledging the trauma had made him a monstrous parent, he decided to get payback on the man who (allegedly) made him this way by gifting the toymaker an ExplodingCigar capable of ''tearing his head to shreds'' (and that got taken by another man... the father calmly accepted going to jail in the knowledge that the accidental death and the reason it happened would probably haunt the toy man for the rest of his days).
19th Feb '18 8:38:07 PM marcoasalazarm
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* ''Series/CSINY'': The KillerOfTheWeek in one episode turned out to be one of these. After losing his childhood friend in an accident involving a toy submarine that they bought, believing the advertisement a bit too much (the friend drowned), the man grew up and had a child of his own, that he utterly prevented of having distractions of any kind, no comics or toys and even forbidding him from leaving home except to go to school. His wife eventually divorced him because of this, and acknowledging the trauma had made him a monstrous parent, he decided to get payback on the man who (allegedly) made him this way by gifting the toymaker an ExplodingCigar capable of ''tearing his head to shreds'' (and that got taken by another man... the father calmly accepted going to jail in the knowledge that the accidental death and the reason it happened would probably haunt the toy man for the rest of his days).
19th Feb '18 7:28:32 PM OrcDovahkiin
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What's cruelest about this attitude is that they probably ''does'' hold his child's best interests at heart, but is too close-minded or too terrified to consider that there are many valid careers and hobbies for their child, and that they are capable of choosing for themselves. In these cases, the parent does come around to accepting their child's interests and vocation with a little coaxing. If the kid later ''really'' hits the big time in those fields, the parent will probably shake their head wondering in astonishment how that is possible. A [[AllTakeAndNoGive more sinister possibility]] is the dad/mom is trying to somehow make their child co-dependent or at least clip their wings so they never leave or get out from under their thumb, either forcing them to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow a family legacy]] or just out of sheer malice.

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What's cruelest about this attitude is that they he probably ''does'' hold his child's best interests at heart, but is too close-minded or too terrified to consider that there are many valid careers and hobbies for their his child, and that they are capable of choosing for themselves. In these cases, the parent does come around to accepting their child's interests and vocation with a little coaxing. If the kid later ''really'' hits the big time in those fields, the parent will probably shake their head wondering in astonishment how that is possible. A [[AllTakeAndNoGive more sinister possibility]] is the dad/mom is trying to somehow make their child co-dependent or at least clip their wings so they never leave or get out from under their thumb, either forcing them to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow a family legacy]] or just out of sheer malice.
31st Jan '18 10:20:03 AM CrystalGlacia
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* Music/RedVox's "Job in the City" is a sarcastic account of a parent who is urging their child to get a "real job" in the city. The parent openly mocks how their child's aspirations didn't turn out to be what they expected, how they're going to abandon fun with their friends to slave their days away for pennies, and even try to guilt their child by bringing up everything they've done for them.
20th Jan '18 5:29:05 AM Scorntex
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* ''Toys/NexoKnights:''
** King Halberd disapproves of his daughter, Macy, wanting to become a knight, on the grounds that it's dangerous (and also because he still sees her as a little girl). The first episode has him go as far as not giving her a shield at the knighting ceremony, the certification of her being a knight, ''which is broadcast live to the entire kingdom''.
** In the opposite direction, Lance hates his parents because they made him train to be a knight, as is the family tradition, rather than be a celebrity like he wanted. The fallout is so bad Lance refuses to lift a finger to save them when they're abducted by Jestro.

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8th Jan '18 7:35:11 AM Sakubara
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* Episode 2 of ''WesternAnimation/BecomeJehovahsFriend'' has the mother (who looks like Mel from ''WesternAnimation/{{Coraline}}'') successfully guilt her son Caleb into throwing away a plastic Sparlock the Warrior Wizard toy on the grounds that God hates magic.

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* Episode 2 of ''WesternAnimation/BecomeJehovahsFriend'' has the mother (who looks like Mel from ''WesternAnimation/{{Coraline}}'') successfully guilt her son Caleb into throwing away a plastic Sparlock the Warrior Wizard toy on the grounds that God hates magic. And she's portrayed as the hero!
8th Jan '18 6:21:06 AM GlitteringFlowers
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A father, [[MyBelovedSmother mother]], or [[ParentalSubstitute guardian]] (these last two are less common[[note]]Not to mention "father" provides for AddedAlliterativeAppeal.[[/note]]) disapproves of their child or ward reading "fairy stories", playing fantasy or sci-fi games, sports, and even such "useless" hobbies as astronomy, boxing, and ''being literate''. In extreme cases, anything the child likes that isn't directly and concretely tied to whatever it is their dad does for a living (or that he wants ''them'' to do for a living) is seen as an utter waste. The dad may even break, burn or sell anything of this nature their child owns, possibly even punishing or locking them up.

"Fantasy" in this trope isn't [[{{Fantasy}} about the genre]], but "fantasy" from the father's perspective. To the OverprotectiveDad, any and all of these "distractions" are a TragicDream waiting to happen that will ruin their child's chances at life. For narrative purposes, this is basically anything that the kid likes that'll move the plot forward via alienating them from their dad (possible later reconciliation optional but heartwarming), which puts the Fantasy-Forbidding Father into an antagonist role, though with rare exceptions he is not a true villain.

What's cruelest about this attitude is he probably ''does'' hold his child's best interests at heart, but is too close-minded to consider that there are many valid careers and hobbies for their child, and that they are capable of choosing for themselves. In these cases, the dad does come around to accepting their child's interests and vocation with a little coaxing. If the kid later ''really'' hits the big time in those fields, the father will shake his head wondering in astonishment how that is possible. A [[AllTakeAndNoGive more sinister possibility]] is the dad is trying to somehow make their child co-dependent or at least clip their wings so they never leave or get out from under his thumb, either forcing them to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow a family legacy]] or just out of sheer malice.

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A father, [[MyBelovedSmother mother]], or [[ParentalSubstitute guardian]] (these last two are less common[[note]]Not to mention "father" provides for AddedAlliterativeAppeal.[[/note]]) disapproves of their child or ward reading "fairy stories", playing fantasy or sci-fi games, sports, and even such "useless" hobbies as astronomy, boxing, and ''being literate''. In extreme cases, anything the child likes that isn't directly and concretely tied to whatever it is their dad parent does for a living (or that he they wants ''them'' to do for a living) is seen as an utter waste. The dad parent may even break, burn or sell anything of this nature their child owns, possibly even punishing or locking them up.

"Fantasy" in this trope isn't [[{{Fantasy}} about the genre]], but "fantasy" from the father's parent's perspective. To the OverprotectiveDad, OverprotectiveDad or MyBelovedSmother, any and all of these "distractions" are a TragicDream waiting to happen that will ruin their child's chances at life. For narrative purposes, this is basically anything that the kid likes that'll move the plot forward via alienating them from their dad parent (possible later reconciliation optional but heartwarming), which puts the Fantasy-Forbidding Father Parent into an antagonist role, though with rare exceptions he or she is not a true villain.

What's cruelest about this attitude is he that they probably ''does'' hold his child's best interests at heart, but is too close-minded or too terrified to consider that there are many valid careers and hobbies for their child, and that they are capable of choosing for themselves. In these cases, the dad parent does come around to accepting their child's interests and vocation with a little coaxing. If the kid later ''really'' hits the big time in those fields, the father parent will probably shake his their head wondering in astonishment how that is possible. A [[AllTakeAndNoGive more sinister possibility]] is the dad dad/mom is trying to somehow make their child co-dependent or at least clip their wings so they never leave or get out from under his their thumb, either forcing them to [[FollowInMyFootsteps follow a family legacy]] or just out of sheer malice.



* In ''Manga/{{Otomen}}'', the main character Asuka secretly loves knitting, embroidery, cute things, cooking and girls' manga. It's a secret, because Asuka's a guy, and his mother constantly warns him he must be ''manly'', lest he ends up like his father who decided he wanted to be a woman and consequently left Asuka's mother.

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* In ''Manga/{{Otomen}}'', the main character Asuka secretly loves knitting, embroidery, cute things, cooking and girls' manga. It's a secret, because Asuka's a guy, and his mother constantly warns him he must be ''manly'', lest he ends up like his father who decided he wanted to be a woman and consequently left Asuka's mother.the family.



* Nagisa's father in ''Anime/AKB0048'' is initially dead set against his daughter becoming an IdolSinger, but it's hard to blame him when he lives in a CrapsackWorld where music is outlawed and the CulturePolice tend to shoot first and ask questions later, and his concerns are more about his daughter's safety than anything else.

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* Nagisa's Nagisa Motomiya's father in ''Anime/AKB0048'' is initially dead set against his daughter becoming an IdolSinger, but it's hard to blame him when he lives the Motomiyas live in a CrapsackWorld where music is outlawed and the CulturePolice tend to shoot first and ask questions later, and his concerns are more about his daughter's poor Nagisa's safety than anything else.



* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'': The "Luxury Liner Serial Murder Case" has a fantasy-forbidding ''grandfather'' as the first victim; Gozo Hatamoto is an all-around jerk, but especially belittles his grandson for wanting to be an artist and is even shown smashing one of Ichiro's works in a flashback. [[spoiler:Naturally, Ichiro is the killer, a spur-of-the-moment act when he couldn't take the man's abuse anymore, both because of Gozo's opinion of his work and because he wouldn't allow Ichiro to marry his cousin Natsue, Gozo's favorite relative and only heir, and had in fact, immediately after this refusal, had granted another man permission to marry Natsue; the wedding had occurred just days before Gozo's murder.]]

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* ''Manga/DetectiveConan'': The "Luxury Liner Serial Murder Case" has a fantasy-forbidding ''grandfather'' as the first victim; victim. Gozo Hatamoto Hatamoto, the leader of an immensely rich BigScrewedUpFamily, is an all-around jerk, jerk but especially belittles his grandson for wanting to be an artist Ichiro, a promising painter and is artist. Heck, he's even shown smashing one of Ichiro's works in a flashback. flashback, and openly badmouths the guy in front of Conan and the Mouris. [[spoiler:Naturally, [[ThedogBitesBack Ichiro is the killer, a spur-of-the-moment act killer]]: when he couldn't take the man's abuse anymore, both because of Gozo's opinion he ended up grabbing a nearby knife and stabbing him to death. He has ''two'' reasons for it, actually: not only Gozo disapproved of his work and because desires, but he wouldn't allow Ichiro to marry his cousin Natsue, Gozo's favorite relative and only heir, and had in heir. In fact, immediately after this refusal, had granted another man Natsue's boyfriend Takashi his permission to marry Natsue; her; the wedding had occurred just days before Gozo's murder.]]



* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': The end of the PilotMovie sets up the MonsterOfTheWeek for the next episode, a teenager who's really into bugs - collecting, classifying, etc. - a budding entymologist. His mother dislikes his hobby, partially on the grounds that he can't make a living at it.
** Well, that and the fact that he spent a lot of his time stalking and peeping on Lana, complete with videotapes.

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* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': The end of the PilotMovie sets up the MonsterOfTheWeek for the next episode, a teenager who's really into bugs - collecting, classifying, etc. - a budding entymologist. His mother dislikes his hobby, partially on the grounds that he can't make a living at it.
** Well, that and the fact that
it. ''And'' how he spent a lot the rest of his time stalking and peeping on Lana, complete with videotapes.



* Bianca's father in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' is this until Elesa sets him straight. He refuses to let his daughter become a trainer due to worries about the danger.

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* Bianca's father OverprotectiveDad in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' is this until Elesa sets him straight. He refuses to let his daughter become a trainer due to worries about the danger.


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* A promising young mangaka's mother really, '''really''' didn't want her fourth child to replace his attempts to get into university with his budding manga career. The son's name? ''Creator/GoNagai''.
6th Jan '18 10:14:49 PM nombretomado
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** In the prequel miniseries ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen: Nite Owl'', young Dan Dreiberg's father burns all of his Nite Owl stuff because he doesn't like the boy's obsession with the superhero. (Incidentally, mini-series writer JMichaelStraczynski had the same thing happen to him as a kid.)

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** In the prequel miniseries ''ComicBook/BeforeWatchmen: Nite Owl'', young Dan Dreiberg's father burns all of his Nite Owl stuff because he doesn't like the boy's obsession with the superhero. (Incidentally, mini-series writer JMichaelStraczynski Creator/JMichaelStraczynski had the same thing happen to him as a kid.)
5th Jan '18 6:53:05 AM gjjones
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* In ''Manga/FairyTail'', the two main reasons why Lucy Heartfilia ran away from home were because her rich snob father Jude wouldn't spend time with her, and because he disapproved her plans to become a wizard and join a guild, even after she proves to be a competent one. He wanted her to enter an ArrangedMarriage and [[IWantGrandkids bear a son]] [[HeirClubForMen so the Heartfilia family would have an heir]]; to do this, he hired Phantom Lord to retrieve her. Lucy, however, had [[CallingTheOldManOut other]] [[YouCantGoHomeAgain plans]] once the battle was over.

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* In ''Manga/FairyTail'', the two main reasons why Lucy Heartfilia ran away from home were because her rich snob father Jude wouldn't spend time with her, and because he disapproved her plans to become a wizard and join a guild, even after she proves to be a competent one. He wanted her to enter an ArrangedMarriage and [[IWantGrandkids bear a son]] [[HeirClubForMen so the Heartfilia family would have an heir]]; to do this, he hired Phantom Lord to retrieve her. Lucy, however, had [[CallingTheOldManOut other]] [[YouCantGoHomeAgain plans]] ideas]] once the battle was over.
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