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6th Aug '17 9:03:07 PM PaulA
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* Inverted, but good, by Creator/ShirleyJackson. Invited to write a children's book, she was provided with a list of acceptable vocabulary words. She saw ''getting'' and ''spending'', ''cost,'' ''buy'', ''supermarket'', ''post office'' -- but not ''magic'', ''wishing'' or ''Fairyland.'' Incensed, she wrote ''Nine Magic Wishes''. In the two books about her home life, ''Life Among the Savages'' and ''Raising Demons'', she allows her children's imaginations free rein.

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* Inverted, but good, by Creator/ShirleyJackson. Invited to write a children's book, she was provided with a list of acceptable vocabulary words. She saw ''getting'' and ''spending'', ''cost,'' ''buy'', ''supermarket'', ''post office'' -- but not ''magic'', ''wishing'' or ''Fairyland.'' Incensed, she wrote ''Nine Magic Wishes''. In the two books about her home life, ''Life Among the Savages'' ''Literature/LifeAmongTheSavages'' and ''Raising Demons'', ''Literature/RaisingDemons'', she allows her children's imaginations free rein.
21st Jul '17 7:03:54 AM ecojosh1
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* In ''WesternAnimation/BobsBurgers'', this causes problems between Bob Jr and Bob Sr. They're both cooks, but Bob Sr hates how creative Bob Jr is and thinks that there's never more than one way to do anything. When Bob Jr surprised a customer with a special burger, Bob Sr threw it in the garage before the customer could try it.
2nd Jun '17 7:20:31 PM LadyNorbert
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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Epic}}'' has an inversion, the father is looking for proof of fairies while the daughter would rather he focus on the here and now of the real world, since his obsession ruined his career and marriage.

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* ''WesternAnimation/{{Epic}}'' has an inversion, the father inversion. The ''father'' is looking for proof of fairies fairies, while the daughter would rather he focus on the here and now of the real world, since his obsession ruined his career and marriage.



* Robert, the little girl's father in ''Film/{{Enchanted}}'' has a similar attitude; he discourages his daughter's interest in fairy tales by playing up the heroic achievements of real women such as Eleanor Roosevelt and Harriet Tubman. Even with his disillusionment about "happily ever after", Robert's ideas actually make sense for raising a girl in these days.

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* Robert, the little girl's father in ''Film/{{Enchanted}}'' ''Film/{{Enchanted}},'' has a similar attitude; he discourages his daughter's interest in fairy tales by playing up the heroic achievements of real women such as Eleanor Roosevelt and Harriet Tubman. Even with his disillusionment about "happily ever after", Robert's ideas actually make sense for raising a girl in these days.



* The Dursleys throughout ''Literature/HarryPotter'', especially Uncle Vernon. He very specifically tried to crush the potential for magic out of Harry with all sorts of means.
* ''Literature/{{Matilda}}'': Matilda's parents not only don't understand her love of reading over watching brainless [[GameShow gameshows]] and [[SoapOpera soap operas]] all day. Her father even goes as far to rip to pieces a library book she'd borrowed in front of her. Then there is the scene where her mother explains to her teacher Miss Honey why she thinks being pretty is more important than education. They much prefer her brother who is being trained to take over his father's used car place.

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* The Dursleys throughout ''Literature/HarryPotter'', especially Uncle Vernon. He very specifically tried to crush the potential for magic out of Harry with all sorts of means.
means. Harry notes that his uncle disapproves of even innocuous things like cartoons and ''dreams''. This borders on horrifying when it's remembered that Vernon did all these magic-quashing things before Harry ever found out he was a wizard, meaning he had ''no idea'' why he was being treated this way.
* ''Literature/{{Matilda}}'': Matilda's parents not only don't understand her love of reading over watching brainless [[GameShow gameshows]] {{game show}}s and [[SoapOpera soap operas]] {{soap opera}}s all day. Her day, but her father even goes as far to rip to pieces a library book ''library book'' she'd borrowed in front of her. Then there is the scene where her mother explains to her teacher Miss Honey why she thinks being pretty is more important than education. They much prefer her brother who is being trained to take over his father's used car place.



* Yanus, Menolly's father in the Harper Hall Trilogy of ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' was this way. Because centuries-old cultural tradition held that women could not become Harpers, Menolly's musical talent inconvenienced and embarrassed him. She disgraced him and his Hold simply by existing. He once beat her with a belt across her back for playing ''one measure'' of her own creation when she was supposed to be playing a traditional ballad.

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* Yanus, Menolly's father in the Harper Hall Trilogy of ''Literature/DragonridersOfPern'' was is this way. Because centuries-old cultural tradition held holds that women could not become Harpers, Menolly's musical talent inconvenienced inconveniences and embarrassed embarrasses him. She disgraced disgraces him and his Hold simply by existing. He once beat beats her with a belt across her back for playing ''one measure'' of her own creation when she was she's supposed to be playing a traditional ballad.ballad. [[spoiler:When she runs away and becomes the personal apprentice of the [=MasterHarper=], her parents continue to ignore her existence; even after the rules are changed and she is elevated to the position of [=MasterComposer=], her brother notes that their only comments are thinly-veiled references to ungrateful children.]]



* Averted in ''Literature/TheEyesOfTheDragon''. King Roland's EvilChancellor Flagg warns him that allowing his son Peter to play with his late mother's dollhouse could turn him into a sissy. Roland, despite usually being an ExtremeDoormat when it comes to Flagg, observes Peter's play and decides that it is harmless as the fantasies he acts out [[DeliberateValuesDissonance tend to involve bloody battles rather than romance or other "girly" topics]].

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* Averted in ''Literature/TheEyesOfTheDragon''. King Roland's EvilChancellor Flagg warns him that allowing his son Peter to play with his late mother's dollhouse could turn him into a sissy. Roland, despite usually being an ExtremeDoormat when it comes to Flagg, observes Peter's play and decides that it is harmless harmless, as the fantasies he acts out [[DeliberateValuesDissonance tend to involve bloody battles rather than romance or other "girly" topics]].



* ''Literature/{{It}}'': Richie's mother loathes rock music, forbids her son from listening to it, and is aghast that he wants to play it. One can only imagine her reaction to Richie growing up to become the most popular rock DJ in the country.

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* ''Literature/{{It}}'': Richie's mother loathes rock music, forbids her son from listening to listen to it, and is aghast that he wants to play it. One can only imagine her reaction to Richie growing up to become the most popular rock DJ in the country.



* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': The end of the PilotMovie sets up the MonsterOfTheWeek for the next episode, a teenager who's really into bugs - collecting, classifying, etc. A budding entymologist. His mother dislikes his hobby, partially on the grounds that he can't make a living at it.

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* ''Series/{{Smallville}}'': The end of the PilotMovie sets up the MonsterOfTheWeek for the next episode, a teenager who's really into bugs - collecting, classifying, etc. A - a budding entymologist. His mother dislikes his hobby, partially on the grounds that he can't make a living at it.



* ''Series/{{Psych}}'' gives us an interesting example with Henry Spencer, Shawn's dad. As a child, he wasn't fond of Shawn reading comic books, as they usually depict cops as useless in order to justify vigilante justice meted out by superheroes. The more general case is subtle with him raising Shawn to be a cop. While Shawn had the aspiration, his dad's control issues along with other problems led to Shawn pursueing his own ideals, ending up as a psychic detectve, which his father initially disapproved of (dislking private investigators and psychics.)

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* ''Series/{{Psych}}'' gives us an interesting example with Henry Spencer, Shawn's dad. As a child, he wasn't fond of Shawn reading comic books, as they usually depict cops as useless in order to justify vigilante justice meted out by superheroes. The more general case is subtle with him raising Shawn to be a cop. While Shawn had the aspiration, his dad's control issues along with other problems led to Shawn pursueing pursuing his own ideals, ending up as a psychic detectve, detective, which his father initially disapproved of (dislking (disliking private investigators and psychics.)



** When he was a child Belial, Grand Master of the [[EliteArmy Deathwing]] from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'', wanted to participate in the tournament held to find recruits for the Dark Angels Chapter of [[SuperSoldier Adeptus Astartes]]. Belialís father however, forbade him from entering as he wanted his son to follow in his footsteps as the leader of their tribe. In defiance, Belial disguised himself and entered the contest and managed to duel a [[BadassPreacher Space Marine Chaplain]] for 7 minutes before being knocked out.

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** When he was a child child, Belial, Grand Master of the [[EliteArmy Deathwing]] from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'', wanted to participate in the tournament held to find recruits for the Dark Angels Chapter of [[SuperSoldier Adeptus Astartes]]. Belialís father however, forbade him from entering as he wanted his son to follow in his footsteps as the leader of their tribe. In defiance, Belial disguised himself and entered the contest and managed to duel a [[BadassPreacher Space Marine Chaplain]] for 7 minutes before being knocked out.



* The antagonist of ''[[Franchise/DisneyFairies Tinker Bell & The Great Fairy Rescue]]'' is Lizzy's father, an overly skeptical scientist who gives her grief for her 'flights of fancy'. When he learns she's filled her journal with everything she's learned about fairies, he starts ripping down all her pictures and throwing everything away, claiming it's 'high time she grows up'. Because being nine years old ''clearly'' equals adulthood.

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* The antagonist of ''[[Franchise/DisneyFairies Tinker Bell & The the Great Fairy Rescue]]'' is Lizzy's father, an overly skeptical scientist who gives her grief for her 'flights of fancy'. When he learns she's filled her journal with everything she's learned about fairies, he starts ripping down all her pictures and throwing everything away, claiming it's 'high time she grows up'. Because being nine years old ''clearly'' equals adulthood.
21st May '17 11:53:11 PM StrixObscuro
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* Played straight in the film adaptation of ''Film/TheNeverendingStory'' - Bastian's father in the opening scene tells his son to get his head out of the clouds because he's failing in school as a result. In the end, if not for Bastian's vivid imagination [[spoiler: Fantasia would have been destroyed forever.]]

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* Played straight in the film adaptation of ''Film/TheNeverendingStory'' - Bastian's father in the opening scene tells his son to get his head out of the clouds because he's failing in school as a result. In the end, if not for Bastian's vivid imagination [[spoiler: Fantasia [[spoiler:Fantasia would have been destroyed forever.]]


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* In ''Film/{{Paulie}}'', Marie's dad thinks that she already spends too much time fantasizing, blames her fantasies for her stutter, and thus takes it as a personal affront when she begins insisting that Paulie is helping her learn how to speak and thus convinces her mother to get rid of Paulie.
14th Apr '17 6:32:57 AM SebastianGray
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** In the background for ''TabletopGame/BloodBowl'', the Dragon Princes were a team made up of board young High Elf princes. Horrified that their children wished to participate in such an uncouth game, the playersí parents threatened to disinherit them if they played against any team that wasnít their social equal, resulting in the Dragon Princes disbanding without playing a single game.
** When he was a child Belial, Grand Master of the [[EliteArmy Deathwing]] from ''TabletopGame/Warhammer40000'', wanted to participate in the tournament held to find recruits for the Dark Angels Chapter of [[SuperSoldier Adeptus Astartes]]. Belialís father however, forbade him from entering as he wanted his son to follow in his footsteps as the leader of their tribe. In defiance, Belial disguised himself and entered the contest and managed to duel a [[BadassPreacher Space Marine Chaplain]] for 7 minutes before being knocked out.
25th Mar '17 4:01:04 PM rjd1922
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* Raz's father in ''VideoGame/{{Psychonauts}}'', who is opposed to him learning to use his psychic powers. [[spoiler:He's only trying to protect Raz from his family's enemies by keeping him out of the world of psychics, and is actually a psychic himself.]] While Raz sees his father's constant acrobatic training as oppressive, those skills turn out to be massively useful in psychonaut work. It is heavily implied that this was actually Raz's father's reasoning behind the training and Raz was misinterpreting things. When Raz's father meets Raz's mental image of him, he's visibly hurt.

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* Raz's father Augustus Aquato in ''VideoGame/{{Psychonauts}}'', who is opposed to him learning to use his psychic powers. [[spoiler:He's only trying to protect Raz from his family's enemies by keeping him out of the world of psychics, and is actually a psychic himself.]] While Raz sees his father's constant acrobatic training as oppressive, those skills turn out to be massively useful in psychonaut work. It [[spoiler:It is heavily implied that this was actually Raz's father's reasoning behind the training and Raz was misinterpreting things. When Raz's father meets Raz's mental image of him, he's visibly hurt.]]
23rd Mar '17 2:47:10 PM gb00393
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* In Season 6 of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', Tyrion Lannister recounts that he once asked for a dragon for his nameday. The entire family laughed at this, and then his father drilled it into his head that dragons were long extinct.

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In Season 6 of ''Series/GameOfThrones'', 6, Tyrion Lannister recounts that he once asked for a dragon for his nameday. The entire family laughed at this, and then his father drilled it into his head that dragons were long extinct.
** While Ned Stark loves his daughter Arya, and even appoints a tutor to teach her basic swordsmanship, Ned never sees it as more than a hobby and doesn't quite understand why Arya takes it as seriously as she does. He still expects that when she grows up she would become a ProperLady and have an ArrangedMarriage. Arya bluntly tells him, "That's not me!" and it's the only point on which she disagrees with her father.
18th Mar '17 4:33:10 PM Abodos
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* In one of the retrievable memories from ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaBreathOfTheWild'', Zelda is excitedly telling Link about all the progress Hyrule has made in controlling the Guardians. Things turn tense when her father King Rhoam shows up to scold her and forbid her from spending her time learning about the machines rather than figuring out how to unlock the [[RoyaltySuperPower Sealing Power]] that will let her defeat Calamity Ganon. What makes Zelda especially resentful is that she ''has'' been praying at the requisite fountains and doing all manner of other things to unlock this ability, all for naught.
15th Mar '17 10:34:26 PM Pichu-kun
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* In Creator/{{Disney}}'s ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', Mother Gothel kept Rapunzel's desire to leave the tower she was [[GildedCage living/prisoner in]] in check for most of her life by a combination of belittling her and telling terrifying tales of the outside. In this variation, however, Gothel has no interest in protecting Rapunzel's feelings or well-being, and keeping her in the tower is directly related to Gothel's own gain.
** This is reinforced by Gothel by attempting to limit her imagination; the only books in the tower are Botany, Geology, and Cooking, which Rapunzel has read hundreds of times before, two of which are fairly useless to her as she never goes outside and one can directly benefit Gothel.

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* In Creator/{{Disney}}'s ''Disney/{{Tangled}}'', Mother Gothel kept Rapunzel's desire to leave the tower she was [[GildedCage living/prisoner in]] in check for most of her life by a combination of belittling her and telling terrifying tales of the outside. In this variation, however, Gothel has no interest in protecting Rapunzel's feelings or well-being, and keeping her in the tower is directly related to Gothel's own gain.
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gain. This is reinforced by Gothel by attempting to limit her imagination; the only books in the tower are Botany, Geology, and Cooking, which Rapunzel has read hundreds of times before, two of which are fairly useless to her as she never goes outside and one can directly benefit Gothel.



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* Willy Wonka's dad from the 2000's ''Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory'' movie was like this. He opposed candymaking since he was [[spoiler: a dentist]].
** In the however, it's revealed that he has kept newspaper clippings regarding the growing success of Wonka's factory.

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* Willy Wonka's dad from the 2000's ''Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory'' movie was like this. He opposed candymaking since he was [[spoiler: a dentist]].
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dentist]]. In the end however, it's revealed that he has kept newspaper clippings regarding the growing success of Wonka's factory.



* Bianca's father in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' is this until Elesa sets him straight.
* Raz's father in ''VideoGame/{{Psychonauts}}'', who is opposed to him learning to use his psychic powers. [[spoiler:He's only trying to protect Raz from his family's enemies by keeping him out of the world of psychics, and is actually a psychic himself.]]
** While Raz sees his father's constant acrobatic training as oppressive, those skills turn out to be massively useful in psychonaut work. It is heavily implied that this was actually Raz's father's reasoning behind the training and Raz was misinterpreting things. When Raz's father meets Raz's mental image of him, he's visibly hurt.

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* Bianca's father in ''VideoGame/PokemonBlackAndWhite'' is this until Elesa sets him straight.
straight. He refuses to let his daughter become a trainer due to worries about the danger.
* Raz's father in ''VideoGame/{{Psychonauts}}'', who is opposed to him learning to use his psychic powers. [[spoiler:He's only trying to protect Raz from his family's enemies by keeping him out of the world of psychics, and is actually a psychic himself.]]
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]] While Raz sees his father's constant acrobatic training as oppressive, those skills turn out to be massively useful in psychonaut work. It is heavily implied that this was actually Raz's father's reasoning behind the training and Raz was misinterpreting things. When Raz's father meets Raz's mental image of him, he's visibly hurt.


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* Riot's father in ''WesternAnimation/{{Jem}}'' wouldn't allow his son to be a "sissy" who played music. He spanked him for even playing the piano and broke his guitar. Riot tried to appeal to his dad by joining the army like him, however after he left to join a band and was given a dishonorable discharge his dad disowned him.
12th Mar '17 11:17:02 PM Paireon
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* In ''DoomRepercussionsOfEvil'', John Stalvern has a flashback to when he was a child, where he tells his father about wanting to "be on the spaceship" and fight monsters. His father tells him not to, as he "will BE KILL BY DEMONS". Though this is somewhat justified, as his forbidding was more out of concern for his son's well-being. He grows up to fight monsters anyway.

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* In ''DoomRepercussionsOfEvil'', John Stalvern has a flashback to when he was a child, where he tells his father about wanting to "be on the spaceship" and fight monsters. His father tells him not to, as he "will BE KILL BY DEMONS". Though this is somewhat justified, as his forbidding was more out of concern for his son's well-being. He grows up to fight monsters anyway. [[AndThenJohnWasAZombie It doesn't end well for him]].
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