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21st Feb '18 9:52:00 AM nombretomado
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* The gods of Asgard (Elves) vs. the Nibelungs (Dwarves) but also the giants (Fasolt and Fafner) in ''Theatre/TheRingOfTheNibelung'' by RichardWagner. Alberich in particular is often interpreted as an embodyment of Capitalism, out to depose the old, feudal elites. The Gods are sometimes referred to as Light Elves, though ironically enough the Nibelung Dwarves are sometimes referred to as black elves. The name of the Nibelung, Alberich, even roughly means Elf King. This is from Norse Mythology, where there wasn't really a clear divide between the Black Elves and Dwarves.

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* The gods of Asgard (Elves) vs. the Nibelungs (Dwarves) but also the giants (Fasolt and Fafner) in ''Theatre/TheRingOfTheNibelung'' by RichardWagner.Music/RichardWagner. Alberich in particular is often interpreted as an embodyment of Capitalism, out to depose the old, feudal elites. The Gods are sometimes referred to as Light Elves, though ironically enough the Nibelung Dwarves are sometimes referred to as black elves. The name of the Nibelung, Alberich, even roughly means Elf King. This is from Norse Mythology, where there wasn't really a clear divide between the Black Elves and Dwarves.
24th Nov '17 10:16:18 AM nombretomado
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* The {{Theme Park Version}}s of the nations considered to be the principal founders of the EuropeanUnion: France and Germany, respectively Elves and Dwarves. France is the byword for European High Culture, ''Haute Couture'' Fashion, Aristocracy, Luxury and anything that could be crammed in the term ''Fancy'', whether it be its unrivalled fine cuisine, its Louvre museum, its many contributions to modern literary drama and the many sophisticated ''fancy'' terms in the English language, or the tropes on how EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench, and so on. However, they are also stereotyped as [[FrenchJerk annoyingly arrogant]] and [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys pathetic in physical combat]] (though [[BadassBookworm they had their own share of badasses]] e.g. the MagnificentBastard UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte). Germany, on the other hand, is the byword for Pragmatism, as exemplified by the trope: GermanicEfficiency. Whether it be the Protestant work ethic, or the military virtues of UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}, or their relentless dedication to [[HerrDoktor science]] and the most cutting-edge of modern engineering, Germany has become the byword for Austerity, [[WorkaHolic industriousness]], and ''really awesome'' super-technology. Their industry, however, also resulted in their stereotype as [[GermanicDepressives stern and ruthless in their achievements]] (though examples from UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker and [[OktoberFest the generally fun-loving region of Bavaria]] disprove the complete perception of German ruthlessness as more of a ThemeParkVersion). Even their ''drinks and religions'' are an Elf to Dwarf contrast: France is [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]], renowned for [[AltumVidetur Latin]], [[WineIsClassy Chateau Wine]], High Art, beautiful cathedrals, fancy costumes and elaborate rites, while Germany loves the more boorish [[BestBeerEver Beer]] (the archetypal Dwarven drink) and is more Protestant, hence their down-to-earth perception and their work ethic.

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* The {{Theme Park Version}}s of the nations considered to be the principal founders of the EuropeanUnion: UsefulNotes/TheEuropeanUnion: France and Germany, respectively Elves and Dwarves. France is the byword for European High Culture, ''Haute Couture'' Fashion, Aristocracy, Luxury and anything that could be crammed in the term ''Fancy'', whether it be its unrivalled fine cuisine, its Louvre museum, its many contributions to modern literary drama and the many sophisticated ''fancy'' terms in the English language, or the tropes on how EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench, and so on. However, they are also stereotyped as [[FrenchJerk annoyingly arrogant]] and [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys pathetic in physical combat]] (though [[BadassBookworm they had their own share of badasses]] e.g. the MagnificentBastard UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte). Germany, on the other hand, is the byword for Pragmatism, as exemplified by the trope: GermanicEfficiency. Whether it be the Protestant work ethic, or the military virtues of UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}, or their relentless dedication to [[HerrDoktor science]] and the most cutting-edge of modern engineering, Germany has become the byword for Austerity, [[WorkaHolic industriousness]], and ''really awesome'' super-technology. Their industry, however, also resulted in their stereotype as [[GermanicDepressives stern and ruthless in their achievements]] (though examples from UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker and [[OktoberFest the generally fun-loving region of Bavaria]] disprove the complete perception of German ruthlessness as more of a ThemeParkVersion). Even their ''drinks and religions'' are an Elf to Dwarf contrast: France is [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]], renowned for [[AltumVidetur Latin]], [[WineIsClassy Chateau Wine]], High Art, beautiful cathedrals, fancy costumes and elaborate rites, while Germany loves the more boorish [[BestBeerEver Beer]] (the archetypal Dwarven drink) and is more Protestant, hence their down-to-earth perception and their work ethic.
31st Oct '17 4:10:22 PM IamTheCaligula
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* A variation of sorts can be found in Japanese folklore where {{Kitsune}} and {{Tanuki}} have an infamous rivalry for the position of apex trickster going on. The Tanuki commonly take the form of short, fat and jolly old monks and employ both TricksterMentor behavior, petty pranks and [[TheDon mafia-like methods]] when interacting with humans. The Kitsune, on the other hand, favor the form of lean, seductive women and prefer setting humans up for their own downfall through sinful actions with an almost divine entitlement.
25th Oct '17 6:43:11 PM Game_Fan
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* Played absolutely straight in the ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' fantasy battle game. The Elves and Dwarfs have a long-standing mutual hatred for each other from the War of Vengeance[[note]]That's [[InsistentTerminology what the Dwarfs call it]]. Do ''[[BerserkButton not]]'' call it the [[SillyReasonForWar War of]] [[SeriousBusiness the Beard]] around them.[[/note]] from long ago. The Elves are magic-wielding Imperialists, while the Dwarfs miner-industrialists with relatively advanced technology (including firearms, cannons, and steam-punk helicopters). The conflict resulted because of the Dark Elves framing the elves for attacking a Dwarfen caravan, and the High Elven king at the time [[IdiotBall being a complete moron]] who had a Dwarfen emissary shaved, a dire insult to Dwarfs. So in a world where the forces of Chaos [[TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed constantly threaten to overcome the world]], [[WeAreStrugglingTogether naturally they went to war against each other]]. At the end of the war, several thousand on both sides were dead, the elven king was killed by the dwarves, etc. The Elves won't forgive the Dwarfs because they won't return his crown, and the Dwarfs won't forgive the Elves because Dwarfs keep a great big book where they write down every act anyone's ever done to annoy them, just to make sure they don't stop being mad about it. Incidentally, they have stated that they will return the crown if the Elves pay reparations for the original insult and the expenses involved in the multi-generation war to collect.

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* Played absolutely straight in the ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer}}'' fantasy battle game. The Elves and Dwarfs have a long-standing mutual hatred for each other from the War of Vengeance[[note]]That's [[InsistentTerminology what Vengeance/War of the Dwarfs call it]]. Do ''[[BerserkButton not]]'' call it Beard/War of the [[SillyReasonForWar War of]] [[SeriousBusiness the Beard]] around them.[[/note]] Ancients from long ago. The Once they were great allies and worked together to save the world from Chaos. However the Elves are magic-wielding Imperialists, while the Dwarfs miner-industrialists with relatively advanced technology (including firearms, cannons, underwent a civil war and steam-punk helicopters). The conflict resulted because of the Dark Elves framing the elves for attacking a Dwarfen caravan, and framed the High Elven king Elves for a series of attacks on Dwarf caravans. The Dwarfs, who are normally so obsessed with vengeance that they have a giant book that enumerates every slight wrong against them, were such good friends with the Elves at the time [[IdiotBall that they sent emissaries to ask for answers rather than go to war. The Phoenix King of the elves, apparently unwilling to lose face by admitting that they had suffered a civil war, had the lead ambassador ''shaved''. This being a complete moron]] who had a Dwarfen emissary shaved, a dire grave insult on top of their refusal to Dwarfs. So in explain what was happening immediately triggered a world where gigantic war. The war irrevocably ruined both empires (allowing for the forces rise of Chaos [[TheWorldIsAlwaysDoomed constantly threaten humanity and [[NiceJobBreakingItHero increased influence of Chaos]]) and lead to overcome the world]], [[WeAreStrugglingTogether naturally they went to war against each other]]. At the end death of the war, several thousand on both sides were dead, the elven king was killed by the dwarves, etc. Phoenix King. The Elves won't forgive refuse to put it behind them because the Dwarfs because they won't return his crown, and stole the Phoenix Crown from their king. The Dwarfs won't forgive the Elves because Dwarfs keep refuse to put it behind them because, again, they literally have a great big giant book where they write down listing every act anyone's ever done grudge in the whole history of their race to annoy them, just to make sure ensure they don't never stop being mad about it. Incidentally, they have stated that they will return the crown if the Elves pay reparations for the original insult and the expenses involved in the multi-generation war to collect.them.
18th Sep '17 6:44:34 PM JustinNotSeen
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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "[[Lil and Put]]" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.

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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "[[Lil and Put]]" "ComicBook/LilAndPut" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.
18th Sep '17 6:43:50 PM JustinNotSeen
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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "Lil and Put" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.

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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "Lil "[[Lil and Put" Put]]" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.
18th Sep '17 6:42:51 PM JustinNotSeen
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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "Lil and Put" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.
6th Sep '17 6:16:49 PM GrammarNavi
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** During UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, on the other hand, the colonists saw themselves as the tough, pragmatic and hardworking proletarian ones and the British as a bunch of [[UpperClassTwit posh decadent tea-drinking elitist snobs wasting their hard labor on art]], ([[QuintessentialBritishGentleman a stereotype which has never really gone away]]). Arguably, though, the American perception of the English is simply an internal British split carried over across the Atlantic--the early Americans were indeed mostly British, but they tended to come from the more provincial parts of the country (the same place where the Industrial Revolution was happening) and from [[UsefulNotes/ATouchOfClassEthnicityAndReligion Dissenting]] religious backgrounds (who were also the ones making industrialization happen): Puritans from UsefulNotes/EastAnglia settled New England, Quakers and Presbyterians from TheMidlands settled New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware; and [[OopNorth Northerners]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Scotland}} Scots]], and [[UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland Ulstermen]] settled the backcountry. The "English" of Revolutionary imagination were really Londoners and South-Eastern Anglicans--who settled the Tidewater South and were [[SouthernGentleman the most obsessed with being "courtly" and aristocratic]]. Most of Britain regarded the South-East as "where the aristocrats were" (since they all had to go up to London half the year) with ponceyness and doubletalk (Elves) and themselves as practical, hardworking, and simple (Dwarves); these translated to the Tidewater South being Elves and everywhere else being Dwarves. Things have of course changed since then.

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** During UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, on the other hand, the colonists saw themselves as the tough, pragmatic and hardworking proletarian ones and the British as a bunch of [[UpperClassTwit posh decadent tea-drinking elitist snobs wasting their hard labor on art]], ([[QuintessentialBritishGentleman a stereotype which has never really gone away]]). Arguably, though, the American perception of the English is simply an internal British split carried over across the Atlantic--the early Americans were indeed mostly British, but they tended to come from the more provincial parts of the country (the same place where the Industrial Revolution was happening) and from [[UsefulNotes/ATouchOfClassEthnicityAndReligion Dissenting]] religious backgrounds (who were also the ones making industrialization happen): Puritans from UsefulNotes/EastAnglia settled New England, Quakers and Presbyterians from TheMidlands UsefulNotes/TheMidlands settled New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware; and [[OopNorth Northerners]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Scotland}} Scots]], and [[UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland Ulstermen]] settled the backcountry. The "English" of Revolutionary imagination were really Londoners and South-Eastern Anglicans--who settled the Tidewater South and were [[SouthernGentleman the most obsessed with being "courtly" and aristocratic]]. Most of Britain regarded the South-East as "where the aristocrats were" (since they all had to go up to London half the year) with ponceyness and doubletalk (Elves) and themselves as practical, hardworking, and simple (Dwarves); these translated to the Tidewater South being Elves and everywhere else being Dwarves. Things have of course changed since then.
13th Aug '17 2:04:18 PM DVB
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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' features rather few elves and dwarves long enough for the two to meet -- except for the party members. Durkon, a proudly stereotypical dwarf cleric, and Vaarsuvius, TheSpock and InsufferableGenius wizard, constantly bicker but respect each others' abilities nonetheless, both being powerful spellcasters. [[spoiler:The two have a little spat when V goes round the bend, but the two do apologize to each other later, both admitting that they were in the wrong.]]

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' features rather few elves and dwarves long enough for the two to meet -- except for the party members. Durkon, a proudly stereotypical dwarf cleric, and Vaarsuvius, TheSpock and InsufferableGenius wizard, constantly bicker but wizard have great respect each others' abilities nonetheless, both for one another for being powerful strong spellcasters. [[spoiler:The two have the problem arises from their personality traits; Durkon is [[TheReliableOne a little spat reliable]][[HumbleHero and humble individual who keeps calm]] while V is an InsufferableGenius who likes to show how smart they are and is flasy with hir attacks. [[spoiler:It comes to ahead when the party is split. Haley's absence as V's MoralityChain and V's InferioritySuperiorityComplex having grown worse to their guilt and failure with Azure City has made V utterly insufferable, even to [[TheHeart Elan.]] Eventually, when V goes round returns from their deal with the bend, but the two do apologize fiends and getting HumblePie served to each other later, both admitting that him, they were in patch up. V apologizes for hir arrogance while Durkon does the wrong.]]same, since V was able to do alot, (such as use his LawfulEvil soulbound companion's ability of MassTeleportation to transport the entire Azure City fleet to safety.)]]
24th Jul '17 5:44:52 PM kraas
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Even in Middle-Earth the Elves and the Dwarves got along fairly well at times despite not always really understanding each other. Eregion and Khazad-dûm come to mind; the gate between them allowing entrance to the Dwarven kingdom opened to the word "friend" spoken in ''Elvish''. It was apparently intended as primarily symbolic (or to keep out weather and animals), not as an actual obstacle.

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Even in Middle-Earth the Elves and the Dwarves got along fairly well at times despite not always really understanding each other. Eregion and Khazad-dûm come to mind; the gate between them allowing entrance to the Dwarven kingdom opened to the word "friend" spoken in ''Elvish''. It was apparently intended as primarily symbolic (or to keep out weather and animals), not as an actual obstacle. It should also be noted that the Elvish inhabitants of Eregion were mostly Noldor, the subgroup of Elves most associated with craftsmanship, something they had in common with the Dwarves which strengthened the friendship between the two groups.
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