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20th May '17 12:59:19 PM godzillavkk
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Compare with PiratesVersusNinjas--although the latter is a recent MemeticMutation while this trope is OlderThanTelevision. Likewise the horror-oriented [[FurAgainstFang werewolves vs. vampires]]. Comedy will show this one as SlobsVersusSnobs, BigGuyLittleGuy, or FatAndSkinny. It can sometimes manifest as a form of FantasticRacism. Don't expect to see a dwarf/elf hybrid due to HybridOverkillAvoidance and both sides being ''very'' {{squick}}ed at the prospect.

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Compare with PiratesVersusNinjas--although the latter is a recent MemeticMutation while this trope is OlderThanTelevision. Likewise the horror-oriented [[FurAgainstFang werewolves vs. vampires]]. For neighboring foil cities or countries, see AthensAndSparta. Comedy will show this one as SlobsVersusSnobs, BigGuyLittleGuy, or FatAndSkinny. It can sometimes manifest as a form of FantasticRacism. Don't expect to see a dwarf/elf hybrid due to HybridOverkillAvoidance and both sides being ''very'' {{squick}}ed at the prospect.
19th May '17 1:44:45 PM Shamrock95
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** In the series backstory, there did exist a race of "Dwarves", though this was a [[NonIndicativeName archeological misnomer]] for the [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]], who were actually a sub-race of [[OurElvesAreDifferent Mer (Elves)]]. Despite this, they did play the trope straight by warring with just about every other race of Mer they came into contact with. The Dwemer were a [[RealityWarper highly]] [[{{Magiteck}} technologically]] [[SteamPunk advanced]] [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens race]], and were extreme {{Naytheist}}s who believed that none of the setting's "divine" beings were truly gods worth worshiping. As each of the other races of Mer were highly religious and worshiped a variety of divine entities, this was the most common cause of conflict. Most famously, the Dwemer warred with the Chimer (ancestors of the modern Dunmer or 'Dark Elves') in what is now modern Morrowind. The Chimer were hardcore worshipers of what they called the three "good" [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] and considered much of what the Dwemer did as blasphemy. While the two races did form an EnemyMine alliance when the invading [[HornyVikings Nords]] threatened Morrowind, it broke down when the Chimer learned that the Dwemer had discovered the [[CosmicKeystone Heart of Lorkhan]] (the [[GodIsDead "dead" creator god]] of the mortal world) and planned to [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence tap into its power]]. The Chimer assaulted the Red Mountain stronghold of the Dwemer and, though there are [[TheRashomon many versions]] of what exactly happened next, the Dwemer disappeared from all known planes of existence. This plays a major part in the story of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' thousands of years later.

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** In the series backstory, there did exist a race of "Dwarves", though this was a [[NonIndicativeName archeological misnomer]] for the [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]], who were actually a sub-race of [[OurElvesAreDifferent Mer (Elves)]]. Despite this, they did play the trope straight by warring with just about every other race of Mer they came into contact with. The Dwemer were a [[RealityWarper highly]] [[{{Magiteck}} [[{{Magitech}} technologically]] [[SteamPunk advanced]] [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens race]], and were extreme {{Naytheist}}s who believed that none of the setting's "divine" beings were truly gods worth worshiping. As each of the other races of Mer were highly religious and worshiped a variety of divine entities, this was the most common cause of conflict. Most famously, the Dwemer warred with the Chimer (ancestors of the modern Dunmer or 'Dark Elves') in what is now modern Morrowind. The Chimer were hardcore worshipers of what they called the three "good" [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] and considered much of what the Dwemer did as blasphemy. While the two races did form an EnemyMine alliance when the invading [[HornyVikings Nords]] threatened Morrowind, it broke down when the Chimer learned that the Dwemer had discovered the [[CosmicKeystone Heart of Lorkhan]] (the [[GodIsDead "dead" creator god]] of the mortal world) and planned to [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence tap into its power]]. The Chimer assaulted the Red Mountain stronghold of the Dwemer and, though there are [[TheRashomon many versions]] of what exactly happened next, the Dwemer disappeared from all known planes of existence. This plays a major part in the story of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' thousands of years later.
15th May '17 11:43:44 AM BeerBaron
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* In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'':
** It exists within two ''types'' of elves: the dark elves of the series, Dunmer, are described as a traditionalistic, religious, racist, proud bunch. Some of them were also quite backstabbing, vicious, and nomadic, though that dependent on which house or tribe they belonged. They lived either out in the fields in tents for the tribes or preferred lavish houses grown via magic from super-mutated mushrooms and vines. The race of technology-minded "dwarves", the Dwemer, had all suffered a CriticalExistenceFailure after messing around with a CosmicKeystone long before even the first game in the series so we know little about their nature directly, but their method of lifestyle is well-documented in subterranean SteamPunk cities that repair themselves via a continuous automaton skeleton crew and security (which, notably, is a combination of both science and magic).
*** The two races also played classical Elves versus Dwarves diplomacy up the point the Dwemer disappeared: generally at loggerheads, but quite willing to bury the axe and work together when a greater enemy showed up.
** While the Dunmer/Dwemer case is more of a subversion, this trope is played straight with the human Empire playing the dwarves to the Dunmer elves.
** Played horrifically straight with the Dwemer and the Falmer. During the Merethic Era, the Ancient Nords and Snow Elves went to war, eventually leading to the Snow Elves nearing extinction and forced to seek refuge underground amongst the Dwarves. However, they were betrayed and enslaved by their brethren and twisted and mutilated into a slave-race. Nowadays, the Falmer exist as Morlock-like monstrosities, leaving them blind, feral and barely sentient.

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In ''VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind'':
** It exists within two ''types'' of elves: the dark elves of the series, Dunmer, are described as a traditionalistic, religious, racist, proud bunch. Some of them were also quite backstabbing, vicious, and nomadic, though that dependent on which house or tribe they belonged. They lived either out in the fields in tents for the tribes or preferred lavish houses grown via magic from super-mutated mushrooms and vines. The race of technology-minded "dwarves", the Dwemer, had all suffered a CriticalExistenceFailure after messing around with a CosmicKeystone long before even the first game in
the series so we know little backstory, there did exist a race of "Dwarves", though this was a [[NonIndicativeName archeological misnomer]] for the [[OurDwarvesAreDifferent Dwemer]], who were actually a sub-race of [[OurElvesAreDifferent Mer (Elves)]]. Despite this, they did play the trope straight by warring with just about their nature directly, but their method every other race of lifestyle is well-documented in subterranean SteamPunk cities Mer they came into contact with. The Dwemer were a [[RealityWarper highly]] [[{{Magiteck}} technologically]] [[SteamPunk advanced]] [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens race]], and were extreme {{Naytheist}}s who believed that repair themselves via a continuous automaton skeleton crew none of the setting's "divine" beings were truly gods worth worshiping. As each of the other races of Mer were highly religious and security (which, notably, worshiped a variety of divine entities, this was the most common cause of conflict. Most famously, the Dwemer warred with the Chimer (ancestors of the modern Dunmer or 'Dark Elves') in what is a combination now modern Morrowind. The Chimer were hardcore worshipers of both science what they called the three "good" [[OurGodsAreDifferent Daedra]] and magic).
*** The
considered much of what the Dwemer did as blasphemy. While the two races did form an EnemyMine alliance when the invading [[HornyVikings Nords]] threatened Morrowind, it broke down when the Chimer learned that the Dwemer had discovered the [[CosmicKeystone Heart of Lorkhan]] (the [[GodIsDead "dead" creator god]] of the mortal world) and planned to [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence tap into its power]]. The Chimer assaulted the Red Mountain stronghold of the Dwemer and, though there are [[TheRashomon many versions]] of what exactly happened next, the Dwemer disappeared from all known planes of existence. This plays a major part in the story of ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsIIIMorrowind Morrowind]]'' thousands of years later.
** The Dwemer of Skyrim
also played classical Elves versus Dwarves diplomacy up this trope straight when it came the point Falmer (Snow Elves). When the Atmorans, ancestors of the Nords, invaded Skyrim from the frozen continent of Atmora, they nearly drove the Falmer to extinction. Some of the Falmer turned to their Dwemer cousins for refuge. However, the Dwemer disappeared: generally at loggerheads, but quite willing to bury the axe and work together when a greater enemy showed up.
** While the Dunmer/Dwemer case is more of a subversion, this trope is played straight with the human Empire playing the dwarves to the Dunmer elves.
** Played horrifically straight with the Dwemer and the Falmer. During the Merethic Era, the Ancient Nords and Snow Elves went to war, eventually leading to the Snow Elves nearing extinction and forced to seek refuge underground amongst the Dwarves. However, they were
betrayed and enslaved by their brethren and twisted and mutilated [[EnslavedElves enslaved]] the Falmer, [[FuturePrimitive turning them into a slave-race. Nowadays, the Falmer exist as Morlock-like monstrosities, leaving them blind, feral feral, and barely sentient.sapient monstrosities little better than goblins]]. They play a role in several side quest lines in ''[[VideoGame/TheElderScrollsVSkyrim Skyrim]]''.
30th Apr '17 5:56:18 PM Gaming28
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* Elves are often masters of diplomacy, debate, rhetoric, PurpleProse, small talk and ''[[CantArgueWithElves doubletalk]]''. Dwarves generally prefer straightforward opinions and blunt facts, and aren't overly concerned when somebody's feelings get hurt.

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* Elves are often masters of diplomacy, debate, rhetoric, PurpleProse, small talk and ''[[CantArgueWithElves doubletalk]]''. Dwarves generally prefer straightforward opinions and blunt facts, and [[BrutalHonesty aren't overly concerned when somebody's feelings get hurt.hurt]].
16th Apr '17 1:11:37 PM nombretomado
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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[{{Eagleland}} United States of America]] and the [[GloriousMotherRussia Union of Soviet Socialist Republics]]. The Americans won TheSpaceRace (though not by much), had [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks a high-tech but expensive volunteer army]] that relied heavily on precision weaponry (smart bombs, et al.), used information technology and a freedom of speech-based consumerist culture to spread their ideals far and wide, and were stereotyped as rich but selfish and decadent (Elves). The Soviets had [[UsefulNotes/FromRussiaWithNukes more and much bigger nuclear weapons]] (to destroy more area in one blow and make up for inaccuracy) and a [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets much larger standing army]] that would probably have overrun Western Europe (before the nukes came out, at least) through overwhelming force and [[ZergRush numbers]] had WorldWarIII broken out, followed an ideology that extolled the working classes, and were stereotyped as poor and oppressed, but industrialized and hard-working (Dwarves).

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* During the UsefulNotes/ColdWar, the [[{{Eagleland}} United States of America]] and the [[GloriousMotherRussia Union of Soviet Socialist Republics]]. The Americans won TheSpaceRace UsefulNotes/TheSpaceRace (though not by much), had [[UsefulNotes/YanksWithTanks a high-tech but expensive volunteer army]] that relied heavily on precision weaponry (smart bombs, et al.), used information technology and a freedom of speech-based consumerist culture to spread their ideals far and wide, and were stereotyped as rich but selfish and decadent (Elves). The Soviets had [[UsefulNotes/FromRussiaWithNukes more and much bigger nuclear weapons]] (to destroy more area in one blow and make up for inaccuracy) and a [[UsefulNotes/RedsWithRockets much larger standing army]] that would probably have overrun Western Europe (before the nukes came out, at least) through overwhelming force and [[ZergRush numbers]] had WorldWarIII broken out, followed an ideology that extolled the working classes, and were stereotyped as poor and oppressed, but industrialized and hard-working (Dwarves).
8th Apr '17 11:37:42 AM nombretomado
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* ''Roleplay/RecordOfLodossWar'' makes good use of this trope in playing up the initial dislike between the aged, bitter dwarf Ghim and the flighty elven princess Deedlit. CharacterDevelopment leads them both to understand the other better.

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* ''Roleplay/RecordOfLodossWar'' ''Anime/RecordOfLodossWar'' makes good use of this trope in playing up the initial dislike between the aged, bitter dwarf Ghim and the flighty elven princess Deedlit. CharacterDevelopment leads them both to understand the other better.
8th Apr '17 11:37:23 AM nombretomado
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* ''RecordOfLodossWar'' makes good use of this trope in playing up the initial dislike between the aged, bitter dwarf Ghim and the flighty elven princess Deedlit. CharacterDevelopment leads them both to understand the other better.

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* ''RecordOfLodossWar'' ''Roleplay/RecordOfLodossWar'' makes good use of this trope in playing up the initial dislike between the aged, bitter dwarf Ghim and the flighty elven princess Deedlit. CharacterDevelopment leads them both to understand the other better.
5th Apr '17 12:17:59 AM MadAnthony94
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* ''ThorTheDarkWorld'': We have Dark Elves with Asgardians playing the part of dwarves. The traditional earmarks are played with, though: both are pretty advanced but the Dark Elves' tech is visibly "spacey" (starships, laser guns, grenades) while Asgardian tech looks medieval, and the "dwarves" have fancier clothes (by virtue of wearing colors other than black).
26th Mar '17 4:39:02 PM ANTMuddle
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* Elves dress fancily, sing elaborate songs, write poetic literature in flowing script, and strive (or, in some cases, don't ''have'' to strive) to epitomize beauty and style. Dwarves are often unkempt, sport long [[BadassBeard beards]] and hair, and dress in either simple leather, undyed wool--or steel--and write prose. Usually in sticklike runes, carved into the rock.

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* Elves dress fancily, sing elaborate songs, write poetic literature in flowing script, and strive (or, in some cases, don't ''have'' to strive) to epitomize beauty and style. Dwarves are often unkempt, sport long [[BadassBeard beards]] and hair, and dress in either simple leather, undyed wool--or steel--and write prose.BeigeProse. Usually in sticklike runes, carved into the rock.
26th Mar '17 4:36:04 PM ANTMuddle
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A common subversion is for the elf and the dwarf to better understand each other and their respective cultures. The dwarf may gain a new respect for the elf's culture and deep learning, while the elf comes to appreciate the dwarf's craftsmanship and hard work. Also expect both sides to put aside their differences and [[EnemyMine team up against a third enemy]], who's usually portrayed as primarily destructive (orcs, for example). The primary attribute shared by elves and dwarves is their resourcefulness.

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A common subversion (or ending) is for the elf and the dwarf to better understand each other and their respective cultures. The dwarf may gain a new respect for the elf's culture and deep learning, while the elf comes to appreciate the dwarf's craftsmanship and hard work. Also expect both sides to put aside their differences and [[EnemyMine team up against a third enemy]], who's usually portrayed as primarily destructive (orcs, for example). The primary attribute shared by elves and dwarves is their resourcefulness.
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