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24th Sep '16 3:48:57 AM Morgenthaler
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* The {{Theme Park Version}}s of the nations considered to be the principal founders of the EuropeanUnion: France and Germany, respectively Elves and Dwarves. France is the byword for European High Culture, ''Haute Couture'' Fashion, Aristocracy, Luxury and anything that could be crammed in the term ''Fancy'', whether it be its unrivalled fine cuisine, its Louvre museum, its many contributions to modern literary drama and the many sophisticated ''fancy'' terms in the English language, or the tropes on how EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench, and so on. However, they are also stereotyped as [[FrenchJerk annoyingly arrogant]] and [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys pathetic in physical combat]] (though [[BadassBookworm they had their own share of badasses]] e.g. the MagnificentBastard UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte). Germany, on the other hand, is the byword for Pragmatism, as exemplified by the trope: GermanicEfficiency. Whether it be the Protestant work ethic, or the military virtues of {{Prussia}}, or their relentless dedication to [[HerrDoktor science]] and the most cutting-edge of modern engineering, Germany has become the byword for Austerity, [[WorkaHolic industriousness]], and ''really awesome'' super-technology. Their industry, however, also resulted in their stereotype as [[GermanicDepressives stern and ruthless in their achievements]] (though examples from UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker and [[OktoberFest the generally fun-loving region of Bavaria]] disprove the complete perception of German ruthlessness as more of a ThemeParkVersion). Even their ''drinks and religions'' are an Elf to Dwarf contrast: France is [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]], renowned for [[AltumVidetur Latin]], [[WineIsClassy Chateau Wine]], High Art, beautiful cathedrals, fancy costumes and elaborate rites, while Germany loves the more boorish [[BestBeerEver Beer]] (the archetypal Dwarven drink) and is more Protestant, hence their down-to-earth perception and their work ethic.

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* The {{Theme Park Version}}s of the nations considered to be the principal founders of the EuropeanUnion: France and Germany, respectively Elves and Dwarves. France is the byword for European High Culture, ''Haute Couture'' Fashion, Aristocracy, Luxury and anything that could be crammed in the term ''Fancy'', whether it be its unrivalled fine cuisine, its Louvre museum, its many contributions to modern literary drama and the many sophisticated ''fancy'' terms in the English language, or the tropes on how EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench, and so on. However, they are also stereotyped as [[FrenchJerk annoyingly arrogant]] and [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys pathetic in physical combat]] (though [[BadassBookworm they had their own share of badasses]] e.g. the MagnificentBastard UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte). Germany, on the other hand, is the byword for Pragmatism, as exemplified by the trope: GermanicEfficiency. Whether it be the Protestant work ethic, or the military virtues of {{Prussia}}, UsefulNotes/{{Prussia}}, or their relentless dedication to [[HerrDoktor science]] and the most cutting-edge of modern engineering, Germany has become the byword for Austerity, [[WorkaHolic industriousness]], and ''really awesome'' super-technology. Their industry, however, also resulted in their stereotype as [[GermanicDepressives stern and ruthless in their achievements]] (though examples from UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker and [[OktoberFest the generally fun-loving region of Bavaria]] disprove the complete perception of German ruthlessness as more of a ThemeParkVersion). Even their ''drinks and religions'' are an Elf to Dwarf contrast: France is [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]], renowned for [[AltumVidetur Latin]], [[WineIsClassy Chateau Wine]], High Art, beautiful cathedrals, fancy costumes and elaborate rites, while Germany loves the more boorish [[BestBeerEver Beer]] (the archetypal Dwarven drink) and is more Protestant, hence their down-to-earth perception and their work ethic.
21st Aug '16 10:45:17 AM nombretomado
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* In ''{{Drowtales}}'', the Light and Dark elves were no longer able to survive on the surface and fled into the depths of their world. There they were faced with hordes and entire cities of dwarves who were none to happy about these new refugees and a war broke out... Which the dwarves lost entirely, whole cities slaughtered and their race pushed back to the barely habitable edges of the underworld. Now they are viewed as a passing pest and nuisance by the elven races and almost all small fights with them end in a one sided massacre by the elves.
* In ''[[Webcomic/EightBitTheater 8-bit Theater]]'':

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* In ''{{Drowtales}}'', ''Webcomic/{{Drowtales}}'', the Light and Dark elves were no longer able to survive on the surface and fled into the depths of their world. There they were faced with hordes and entire cities of dwarves who were none to happy about these new refugees and a war broke out... Which the dwarves lost entirely, whole cities slaughtered and their race pushed back to the barely habitable edges of the underworld. Now they are viewed as a passing pest and nuisance by the elven races and almost all small fights with them end in a one sided massacre by the elves.
* In ''[[Webcomic/EightBitTheater 8-bit Theater]]'':''Webcomic/EightBitTheater'':
13th Aug '16 12:32:10 PM nombretomado
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* The {{Theme Park Version}}s of the nations considered to be the principal founders of the EuropeanUnion: France and Germany, respectively Elves and Dwarves. France is the byword for European High Culture, ''Haute Couture'' Fashion, Aristocracy, Luxury and anything that could be crammed in the term ''Fancy'', whether it be its unrivalled fine cuisine, its Louvre museum, its many contributions to modern literary drama and the many sophisticated ''fancy'' terms in the English language, or the tropes on how EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench, and so on. However, they are also stereotyped as [[FrenchJerk annoyingly arrogant]] and [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys pathetic in physical combat]] (though [[BadassBookworm they had their own share of badasses]] e.g. the MagnificentBastard UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte). Germany, on the other hand, is the byword for Pragmatism, as exemplified by the trope: GermanicEfficiency. Whether it be the Protestant work ethic, or the military virtues of {{Prussia}}, or their relentless dedication to [[HerrDoktor science]] and the most cutting-edge of modern engineering, Germany has become the byword for Austerity, [[WorkaHolic industriousness]], and ''really awesome'' super-technology. Their industry, however, also resulted in their stereotype as [[GermanicDepressives stern and ruthless in their achievements]] (though examples from DichterUndDenker and [[OktoberFest the generally fun-loving region of Bavaria]] disprove the complete perception of German ruthlessness as more of a ThemeParkVersion). Even their ''drinks and religions'' are an Elf to Dwarf contrast: France is [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]], renowned for [[AltumVidetur Latin]], [[WineIsClassy Chateau Wine]], High Art, beautiful cathedrals, fancy costumes and elaborate rites, while Germany loves the more boorish [[BestBeerEver Beer]] (the archetypal Dwarven drink) and is more Protestant, hence their down-to-earth perception and their work ethic.

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* The {{Theme Park Version}}s of the nations considered to be the principal founders of the EuropeanUnion: France and Germany, respectively Elves and Dwarves. France is the byword for European High Culture, ''Haute Couture'' Fashion, Aristocracy, Luxury and anything that could be crammed in the term ''Fancy'', whether it be its unrivalled fine cuisine, its Louvre museum, its many contributions to modern literary drama and the many sophisticated ''fancy'' terms in the English language, or the tropes on how EverythingSoundsSexierInFrench, and so on. However, they are also stereotyped as [[FrenchJerk annoyingly arrogant]] and [[CheeseEatingSurrenderMonkeys pathetic in physical combat]] (though [[BadassBookworm they had their own share of badasses]] e.g. the MagnificentBastard UsefulNotes/NapoleonBonaparte). Germany, on the other hand, is the byword for Pragmatism, as exemplified by the trope: GermanicEfficiency. Whether it be the Protestant work ethic, or the military virtues of {{Prussia}}, or their relentless dedication to [[HerrDoktor science]] and the most cutting-edge of modern engineering, Germany has become the byword for Austerity, [[WorkaHolic industriousness]], and ''really awesome'' super-technology. Their industry, however, also resulted in their stereotype as [[GermanicDepressives stern and ruthless in their achievements]] (though examples from DichterUndDenker UsefulNotes/DichterAndDenker and [[OktoberFest the generally fun-loving region of Bavaria]] disprove the complete perception of German ruthlessness as more of a ThemeParkVersion). Even their ''drinks and religions'' are an Elf to Dwarf contrast: France is [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]], renowned for [[AltumVidetur Latin]], [[WineIsClassy Chateau Wine]], High Art, beautiful cathedrals, fancy costumes and elaborate rites, while Germany loves the more boorish [[BestBeerEver Beer]] (the archetypal Dwarven drink) and is more Protestant, hence their down-to-earth perception and their work ethic.
20th Jul '16 12:42:18 AM RobTan
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* In the ''Literature/{{Corum}}'' series, the Vadhagh are extremely elf-like, and are eventually just identifed as elves. Their ancient enemies, the Nahdragh, are barely mentioned, but the one Nahdragh who does appear, is described as stocky, wearing furs and with a vaguely Neanderthal-like appearance.
23rd Jun '16 8:14:17 PM nombretomado
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We've given a lot of information here about the specific races, elves and dwarves, but the core of this trope isn't about them. It's about how that plays out in ''lots'' of stories that have no elves or dwarves in them at all. In historical fictions/fantasies, you'll find aristocrats versus barbarians, for example, which could be exchanged for elves and dwarves quite easily. Science Fiction will have some variation on [[TheTimeMachine Eloi and Morlocks]], or a CrystalSpiresAndTogas race versus a ProudWarriorRace, or a primitive but nature-oriented race versus humans. In a contemporary business setting, it'll be [[ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}} marketeers]] versus [[TheEngineer engineers]]. A lot of the modern retelling of the classic CowboysAndIndians western sagas has been presented as this sort of "spiritual barbarian vs. industrialized civilization" theme. ForceAndFinesse tends to describe their contrasting combat styles.

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We've given a lot of information here about the specific races, elves and dwarves, but the core of this trope isn't about them. It's about how that plays out in ''lots'' of stories that have no elves or dwarves in them at all. In historical fictions/fantasies, you'll find aristocrats versus barbarians, for example, which could be exchanged for elves and dwarves quite easily. Science Fiction will have some variation on [[TheTimeMachine [[Literature/TheTimeMachine Eloi and Morlocks]], or a CrystalSpiresAndTogas race versus a ProudWarriorRace, or a primitive but nature-oriented race versus humans. In a contemporary business setting, it'll be [[ComicStrip/{{Dilbert}} marketeers]] versus [[TheEngineer engineers]]. A lot of the modern retelling of the classic CowboysAndIndians western sagas has been presented as this sort of "spiritual barbarian vs. industrialized civilization" theme. ForceAndFinesse tends to describe their contrasting combat styles.
21st Jun '16 9:52:11 AM Quanyails
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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]],[[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]] or if the setting allows for it, [[CoolGuns guns]], which are primarily about direct, mechanical (in the case of the crossbow) or chemical (for guns) application of force. Force is power.

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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]],[[AutomaticCrossbows hammers]], [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]] or if the setting allows for it, [[CoolGuns guns]], which are primarily about direct, mechanical (in the case of the crossbow) or chemical (for guns) application of force. Force is power.
17th Jun '16 4:32:16 PM Exxolon
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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]],[[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]] and if the setting allows for it, [[CoolGuns guns]], which are primarily about direct, mechanical (in the case of the crossbow) or chemical (for guns) application of force. Force is power.

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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]],[[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]] and or if the setting allows for it, [[CoolGuns guns]], which are primarily about direct, mechanical (in the case of the crossbow) or chemical (for guns) application of force. Force is power.
17th Jun '16 4:31:50 PM Exxolon
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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]] and [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]], which are primarily about direct (or in the case of the crossbow, mechanical) application of force. Force is power.

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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]] hammers]],[[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]] and [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]], if the setting allows for it, [[CoolGuns guns]], which are primarily about direct (or in direct, mechanical (in the case of the crossbow, mechanical) crossbow) or chemical (for guns) application of force. Force is power.
1st Jun '16 4:14:41 AM Quanyails
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* Essentially there in Julian May's Literature/SagaOfTheExiles with the Tanu and Firvulag. Tanu are tall and beautiful, while the normal Firvulag is short and stocky, although their heroes can be equal or better than the Tanu.

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* Essentially there in Julian May's Literature/SagaOfTheExiles ''Literature/SagaOfTheExiles'' with the Tanu and Firvulag. Tanu are tall and beautiful, while the normal Firvulag is short and stocky, although their heroes can be equal or better than the Tanu.
1st Jun '16 4:11:32 AM Quanyails
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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]] and [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]], which are primarily about direct (or in the case of the crossbow, mechanical) application of force. Strength is power.

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* Elves use [[CoolSword swords]] or [[ArcherArchetype bows]] (or [[BowAndSwordInAccord both]]), weapons requiring flexibility and precision, representations of elegance. Elegance is power. Dwarves use [[AnAxeToGrind axes]], [[DropTheHammer hammers]] and [[AutomaticCrossbows crossbows]], which are primarily about direct (or in the case of the crossbow, mechanical) application of force. Strength Force is power.
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