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11th Mar '17 7:52:15 AM Jacce
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** In ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' the Vulcans and Andorians have a long-standing SpaceColdWar-style rivalry. The Vulcans of this era are a haughty ProudScholarRace, while the Andorians are a HotBlooded ProudSoldierRace with a severely regimented society and who often live underground due to the harsh conditions of their homeworld. The humans of the United Earth end up bringing them together, and together with the Tellarites and Rigelians they end up as founding members of the Federation.

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** In ''Series/StarTrekEnterprise'' the Vulcans and Andorians have a long-standing SpaceColdWar-style rivalry. The Vulcans of this era are a haughty ProudScholarRace, while the Andorians are a HotBlooded ProudSoldierRace with a severely regimented society and who often live underground due to the harsh conditions of their homeworld. The humans of the United Earth end up bringing them together, and together with the Tellarites and Rigelians they end up as founding members of the Federation.
25th Feb '17 2:23:38 PM nombretomado
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* In ''Franchise/LeDonjonDeNaheulbeuk'' (''Dungeon of Naheulbeuk'')), a French audio AffectionateParody of tabletop [=RPGs=] and particularly ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', elves and dwarves famously can't get along. Each race takes its defining characteristics far, far beyond its limits, making the following more or less the norm:

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* In ''Franchise/LeDonjonDeNaheulbeuk'' ''AudioPlay/LeDonjonDeNaheulbeuk'' (''Dungeon of Naheulbeuk'')), a French audio AffectionateParody of tabletop [=RPGs=] and particularly ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'', elves and dwarves famously can't get along. Each race takes its defining characteristics far, far beyond its limits, making the following more or less the norm:
20th Feb '17 6:21:58 PM Shadoboy
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** Early on the rivalry between the Jungle Trolls and the Forsaken was played up, particularly in the [[AllThereInTheManual manual]]. However later it got [[AbortedArc dropped]] without much explanation.

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** Early on the rivalry between the Jungle Trolls and the Forsaken was played up, particularly in the [[AllThereInTheManual manual]]. However later it got [[AbortedArc dropped]] without much explanation. There seems to be a minor animosity between Blood Elves and Darkspear Trolls, which stems from both races being ancestral enemies and with the Blood Elves joining the Horde, this is the first time they ever have to be allies.
7th Feb '17 11:47:50 PM HTD
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* In the TabletopGame/IronKingdoms setting (where ''WARMACHINE'' and ''HORDES'' are set), the highly-industrialized titular Iron Kingdoms (the WARMACHINE factions) often find themselves at odds with the much more naturalistic Primal Powers (the HORDES factions). Of course, there's plenty of infighting among the Iron Kingdoms and the Primal Powers as well. Notably, this trait is actually averted by the setting's ''actual'' elves and dwarves, as the elves are [[TheFairFolk rabid xenophobes]] who hate ''everyone'', and the dwarves, while isolationist, are on generally friendly terms with all the other races.
** Added to said avertion the Elves and Dwarves use to be fairly good trading partners.

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* In the TabletopGame/IronKingdoms setting (where ''WARMACHINE'' and ''HORDES'' are set), the highly-industrialized titular Iron Kingdoms (the WARMACHINE factions) often find themselves at odds with the much more naturalistic Primal Powers (the HORDES factions). Of course, there's plenty of infighting among the Iron Kingdoms and the Primal Powers as well. Notably, this trait is actually averted by the setting's ''actual'' elves and dwarves, as the elves are [[TheFairFolk rabid xenophobes]] who xenophobes and friendly with no one else but particularly hate ''everyone'', the skorne and humans, and the dwarves, while isolationist, are on generally friendly terms with all the other races.
** Added to said avertion the Elves and Dwarves use to be fairly good trading partners.
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* Averted in the ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' games. In ''Warcraft II'' and ''III'', High elves and Bronzebeard dwarves went along well, and Wildhammer dwarves were very good friends with the former. Dwarves in general don't seem to have any problem with night elves, and if they are enemies of the blood elves it's only because the latter joined the Horde (their rival faction) or the [[TheLegionsOfHell Burning Legion]] (who are enemies to [[OmnicidalManiac everybody]]).

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* Averted in the ''VideoGame/{{Warcraft}}'' games. games.
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In ''Warcraft II'' and ''III'', High high elves and Bronzebeard dwarves went along well, and Wildhammer dwarves were very good friends with the former. Dwarves in general don't seem to have any problem with night elves, and if they are enemies of the blood elves it's only because the latter joined the Horde (their rival faction) or the [[TheLegionsOfHell Burning Legion]] (who are enemies to [[OmnicidalManiac everybody]]).



* The GDI and the Brotherhood of Nod of ''VideoGame/CommandAndConquerTiberium''.
6th Feb '17 6:03:52 AM ChronoLegion
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* The [[AllInTheManual backstory]] of the ''VideoGame/{{Disciples}}'' series has this start with a misunderstanding. When [[TheDevil Bethrezen]]'s [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions of the Damned]] first burst onto the surface of Nevendaar, they happen to come out in the elven woods, setting them on fire. The elves flee ''en masse'' towards higher ground, which is also where the Mountain Clans are located. Misinterpreting the massive rout as an invasion, the dwarves attack the "invaders", slaughtering many elves. The elven gods Gallean and Solonielle go to the dwarven god Wotan and demand that he punish his children for this. Outraged, Wotan kills Gallean (he gets better later, but the event also results in Solonielle becoming the fleshless goddess Mortis). This starts the feud. Then, during the elven campaign, a young oracle, possessed by Gallean (who may have gone insane by this point) urges the Elven Alliance to attack the Mountain Clans. The elves win and force the Clans back under their mountain. Then [[spoiler:the oracle kills the dwarven queen for no good reason]].
17th Jan '17 12:12:23 PM Monsund
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** There is a bit of this trope in ''Cataclysm'', with the dwarven Explorer's League coming to blows with the elven Reliquary.

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** There is a bit of this trope in ''Cataclysm'', with the dwarven Explorer's League coming to blows with the elven Reliquary.Reliquary, course they are on opposite factions so its to be expected.
** Early on the rivalry between the Jungle Trolls and the Forsaken was played up, particularly in the [[AllThereInTheManual manual]]. However later it got [[AbortedArc dropped]] without much explanation.
26th Dec '16 5:12:03 PM LentilSandEater
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Tolkien's ''The Lord of the Rings'' is also likely the source for this trope. Tolkien set many standards which have made their way into modern fantasy, especially after being further popularized by other pop culture phenomenon such as ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''. Prior to Tolkien's work elves and dwarves were not usually seen as being distinctly separate kinds of beings in most mythology. Often they were synonymous with other fey creatures who inhabited either the woods or the water or mountains. Tolkien created different categories for these beings and made them more humanoid than they were previously in mythology.
** Codifier for modern use and supplier of the actual terms "dwarf" and "elf", yes, but not source of the trope in general. Tolkien pulled the "tall, slender fae who hang around doing their own thing" vs "short, muscular fae that build stuff, mine, and interact with humanity to sell their awesome stuff" cultural rivalry pretty much straight out of Norse Mythology, specifically the Eddas, and corresponding Celtic and Germanic lore. It's older than steel, probably.
** Even in Middle-Earth the Elves and the Dwarves got along fairly well at times despite not always really understanding each other. Eregion and Khazad-dûm come to mind; the gate between them allowing entrance to the Dwarven kingdom opened to the word "friend" spoken in ''Elvish''. It was apparently intended as primarily symbolic (or to keep out weather and animals), not as an actual obstacle.

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Tolkien's ''The Lord of the Rings'' is also likely the source for this trope. Tolkien set many standards which have made their way into modern fantasy, especially after being further popularized by other pop culture phenomenon such as ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons''. Prior to Tolkien's work elves and dwarves were not usually seen as being distinctly separate kinds of beings in most mythology. Often they were synonymous with other fey creatures who inhabited either the woods or the water or mountains. Tolkien created different categories for these beings and made them more humanoid than they were previously in mythology.
** Codifier for modern use and supplier of the actual terms "dwarf" and "elf", yes, but not source of the trope in general. Tolkien pulled the "tall, slender fae who hang around doing their own thing" vs "short, muscular fae that build stuff, mine, and interact with humanity to sell their awesome stuff" cultural rivalry pretty much straight out of Norse Mythology, specifically the Eddas, and corresponding Celtic and Germanic lore. It's older than steel, probably.
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Even in Middle-Earth the Elves and the Dwarves got along fairly well at times despite not always really understanding each other. Eregion and Khazad-dûm come to mind; the gate between them allowing entrance to the Dwarven kingdom opened to the word "friend" spoken in ''Elvish''. It was apparently intended as primarily symbolic (or to keep out weather and animals), not as an actual obstacle.
26th Dec '16 5:08:31 PM LentilSandEater
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** [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] with Zevran and Oghren in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. At worst, they're VitriolicBestBuds. ''Awakening'' has this a bit, with Oghren and Sigrun pranking around uptight Dalish elf Velanna.

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** [[LampshadeHanging Lampshaded]] with Zevran and Oghren in ''VideoGame/DragonAgeOrigins''. At worst, they're VitriolicBestBuds. ''Awakening'' has this a bit, with Oghren and Sigrun pranking around uptight Dalish elf Velanna.
26th Dec '16 9:57:53 AM Gosicrystal
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* In ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'', Dwarves and Elves don't particularly understand each other, but they aren't enemies...[[spoiler: except that this misunderstanding was exploited by the Dark Elves, who got the Dwarves to banish one of their own clans for the humans' destruction of an "elven" forest.]] Culminates in a rather interesting ([[LostForever which has several opportunities to never be seen]]) conversation between Loghaire Thunder Stone (king of the dwarves) and Z'an Al'urin (a TrueNeutral Dark Elf), which humbles Loghaire but-quick.

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* In ''VideoGame/ArcanumOfSteamworksAndMagickObscura'', Dwarves and Elves don't particularly understand each other, but they aren't enemies...[[spoiler: except [[spoiler:except that this misunderstanding was exploited by the Dark Elves, who got the Dwarves to banish one of their own clans for the humans' destruction of an "elven" forest.]] Culminates in a rather interesting ([[LostForever ([[PermanentlyMissableContent which has several opportunities to never be seen]]) conversation between Loghaire Thunder Stone (king of the dwarves) and Z'an Al'urin (a TrueNeutral Dark Elf), which humbles Loghaire but-quick.
20th Dec '16 12:22:28 AM LBHills
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* Elves are often portrayed as being masters of diplomacy, debate, rhetoric, PurpleProse, small talk and ''[[CantArgueWithElves doubletalk]]''. Dwarves are typically as straightforward as the grille of an oncoming semi.
* Elves dress fancily, sing elaborate songs, write poetic literature in flowing script, and are the embodiment of beauty and style. Dwarves are often unkempt, sport long [[BadassBeard beards]] and hair, and dress in either simple leather, undyed wool--or steel--and write prose in runes, carved into the rock.

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* Elves are often portrayed as being masters of diplomacy, debate, rhetoric, PurpleProse, small talk and ''[[CantArgueWithElves doubletalk]]''. Dwarves are typically as generally prefer straightforward as the grille of an oncoming semi.
opinions and blunt facts, and aren't overly concerned when somebody's feelings get hurt.
* Elves dress fancily, sing elaborate songs, write poetic literature in flowing script, and are the embodiment of strive (or, in some cases, don't ''have'' to strive) to epitomize beauty and style. Dwarves are often unkempt, sport long [[BadassBeard beards]] and hair, and dress in either simple leather, undyed wool--or steel--and write prose prose. Usually in sticklike runes, carved into the rock.
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