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18th Sep '17 6:44:34 PM JustinNotSeen
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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "[[Lil and Put]]" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.

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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "[[Lil and Put]]" "ComicBook/LilAndPut" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.
18th Sep '17 6:43:50 PM JustinNotSeen
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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "Lil and Put" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.

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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "Lil "[[Lil and Put" Put]]" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.
18th Sep '17 6:42:51 PM JustinNotSeen
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* Up to elven (or maybe more) in the Polih "Lil and Put" ("Lil i Put")series. In this universe Dwarfs not only only, they first instinct when they see one is to charge and bit the crap out of him. Even all their songs appears to be center around the fact how much fun is to hurt them.
6th Sep '17 6:16:49 PM GrammarNavi
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** During UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, on the other hand, the colonists saw themselves as the tough, pragmatic and hardworking proletarian ones and the British as a bunch of [[UpperClassTwit posh decadent tea-drinking elitist snobs wasting their hard labor on art]], ([[QuintessentialBritishGentleman a stereotype which has never really gone away]]). Arguably, though, the American perception of the English is simply an internal British split carried over across the Atlantic--the early Americans were indeed mostly British, but they tended to come from the more provincial parts of the country (the same place where the Industrial Revolution was happening) and from [[UsefulNotes/ATouchOfClassEthnicityAndReligion Dissenting]] religious backgrounds (who were also the ones making industrialization happen): Puritans from UsefulNotes/EastAnglia settled New England, Quakers and Presbyterians from TheMidlands settled New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware; and [[OopNorth Northerners]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Scotland}} Scots]], and [[UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland Ulstermen]] settled the backcountry. The "English" of Revolutionary imagination were really Londoners and South-Eastern Anglicans--who settled the Tidewater South and were [[SouthernGentleman the most obsessed with being "courtly" and aristocratic]]. Most of Britain regarded the South-East as "where the aristocrats were" (since they all had to go up to London half the year) with ponceyness and doubletalk (Elves) and themselves as practical, hardworking, and simple (Dwarves); these translated to the Tidewater South being Elves and everywhere else being Dwarves. Things have of course changed since then.

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** During UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution, on the other hand, the colonists saw themselves as the tough, pragmatic and hardworking proletarian ones and the British as a bunch of [[UpperClassTwit posh decadent tea-drinking elitist snobs wasting their hard labor on art]], ([[QuintessentialBritishGentleman a stereotype which has never really gone away]]). Arguably, though, the American perception of the English is simply an internal British split carried over across the Atlantic--the early Americans were indeed mostly British, but they tended to come from the more provincial parts of the country (the same place where the Industrial Revolution was happening) and from [[UsefulNotes/ATouchOfClassEthnicityAndReligion Dissenting]] religious backgrounds (who were also the ones making industrialization happen): Puritans from UsefulNotes/EastAnglia settled New England, Quakers and Presbyterians from TheMidlands UsefulNotes/TheMidlands settled New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Delaware; and [[OopNorth Northerners]], [[UsefulNotes/{{Scotland}} Scots]], and [[UsefulNotes/NorthernIreland Ulstermen]] settled the backcountry. The "English" of Revolutionary imagination were really Londoners and South-Eastern Anglicans--who settled the Tidewater South and were [[SouthernGentleman the most obsessed with being "courtly" and aristocratic]]. Most of Britain regarded the South-East as "where the aristocrats were" (since they all had to go up to London half the year) with ponceyness and doubletalk (Elves) and themselves as practical, hardworking, and simple (Dwarves); these translated to the Tidewater South being Elves and everywhere else being Dwarves. Things have of course changed since then.
13th Aug '17 2:04:18 PM DVB
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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' features rather few elves and dwarves long enough for the two to meet -- except for the party members. Durkon, a proudly stereotypical dwarf cleric, and Vaarsuvius, TheSpock and InsufferableGenius wizard, constantly bicker but respect each others' abilities nonetheless, both being powerful spellcasters. [[spoiler:The two have a little spat when V goes round the bend, but the two do apologize to each other later, both admitting that they were in the wrong.]]

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* ''Webcomic/TheOrderOfTheStick'' features rather few elves and dwarves long enough for the two to meet -- except for the party members. Durkon, a proudly stereotypical dwarf cleric, and Vaarsuvius, TheSpock and InsufferableGenius wizard, constantly bicker but wizard have great respect each others' abilities nonetheless, both for one another for being powerful strong spellcasters. [[spoiler:The two have the problem arises from their personality traits; Durkon is [[TheReliableOne a little spat reliable]][[HumbleHero and humble individual who keeps calm]] while V is an InsufferableGenius who likes to show how smart they are and is flasy with hir attacks. [[spoiler:It comes to ahead when the party is split. Haley's absence as V's MoralityChain and V's InferioritySuperiorityComplex having grown worse to their guilt and failure with Azure City has made V utterly insufferable, even to [[TheHeart Elan.]] Eventually, when V goes round returns from their deal with the bend, but the two do apologize fiends and getting HumblePie served to each other later, both admitting that him, they were in patch up. V apologizes for hir arrogance while Durkon does the wrong.]]same, since V was able to do alot, (such as use his LawfulEvil soulbound companion's ability of MassTeleportation to transport the entire Azure City fleet to safety.)]]
24th Jul '17 5:44:52 PM kraas
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Even in Middle-Earth the Elves and the Dwarves got along fairly well at times despite not always really understanding each other. Eregion and Khazad-dûm come to mind; the gate between them allowing entrance to the Dwarven kingdom opened to the word "friend" spoken in ''Elvish''. It was apparently intended as primarily symbolic (or to keep out weather and animals), not as an actual obstacle.

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Even in Middle-Earth the Elves and the Dwarves got along fairly well at times despite not always really understanding each other. Eregion and Khazad-dûm come to mind; the gate between them allowing entrance to the Dwarven kingdom opened to the word "friend" spoken in ''Elvish''. It was apparently intended as primarily symbolic (or to keep out weather and animals), not as an actual obstacle. It should also be noted that the Elvish inhabitants of Eregion were mostly Noldor, the subgroup of Elves most associated with craftsmanship, something they had in common with the Dwarves which strengthened the friendship between the two groups.
23rd Jul '17 11:03:02 PM Nulono
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* There is definitely an undercurrent of this in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', between the unicorns (tend to be educated, higher class and have telekinesis to handle delicate tasks) and the earth ponies (strong, hard-working and with a "connection to the Earth"). Among the mane six characters, two of the character foil pairs follow this dynamic, with the dainty Rarity against down-to-Earth Applejack, and the logical Twilight Sparkle against the CloudCuckoolander Pinkie Pie.

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* There is definitely an undercurrent of this in ''WesternAnimation/MyLittlePonyFriendshipIsMagic'', between the unicorns (tend to be educated, higher class and have telekinesis to handle delicate tasks) and the earth ponies (strong, hard-working and with a "connection to the Earth").earth"). Among the mane six characters, two of the character foil pairs follow this dynamic, with the dainty Rarity against down-to-Earth Applejack, and the logical Twilight Sparkle against the CloudCuckoolander Pinkie Pie.
21st Jul '17 7:46:24 PM ANTMuddle
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Compare with PiratesVersusNinjas--although the latter is a recent MemeticMutation while this trope is OlderThanTelevision. Likewise the horror-oriented [[FurAgainstFang werewolves vs. vampires]]. For neighboring foil cities or countries, see AthensAndSparta. Comedy will show this one as SlobsVersusSnobs, BigGuyLittleGuy, or FatAndSkinny. It can sometimes manifest as a form of FantasticRacism. Don't expect to see a dwarf/elf hybrid due to HybridOverkillAvoidance and both sides being ''very'' {{squick}}ed at the prospect.

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Compare with PiratesVersusNinjas--although the latter is a recent MemeticMutation while this trope is OlderThanTelevision. Likewise the horror-oriented [[FurAgainstFang werewolves vs. vampires]]. For neighboring foil cities or countries, see AthensAndSparta. Comedy will show this one as SlobsVersusSnobs, BigGuyLittleGuy, or FatAndSkinny. It can sometimes manifest as a form of FantasticRacism. Don't expect to see a dwarf/elf hybrid due to HybridOverkillAvoidance and both sides being ''very'' {{squick}}ed at the prospect. However, it's always possible to have an OrcRaisedByElves, if not either of them being RaisedByOrcs.
6th Jul '17 10:07:07 AM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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A common subversion (or ending) is for the elf and the dwarf to better understand each other and their respective cultures. The dwarf may gain a new respect for the elf's culture and deep learning, while the elf comes to appreciate the dwarf's craftsmanship and hard work. Also expect both sides to put aside their differences and [[EnemyMine team up against a third enemy]], who's usually portrayed as primarily destructive (orcs, for example). The primary attribute shared by elves and dwarves is their resourcefulness.

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A One common subversion (or ending) outcome is for the elf and the dwarf to better understand each other and their respective cultures. The dwarf may gain a new respect for the elf's culture and deep learning, while the elf comes to appreciate the dwarf's craftsmanship and hard work. Also expect both sides to put aside their differences and [[EnemyMine team up against a third enemy]], who's usually portrayed as primarily destructive (orcs, for example). The primary attribute shared by elves and dwarves is their resourcefulness.
18th Jun '17 12:09:31 AM Ghidra15
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** Averted however with modern Russia and the United States, which are more amicable towards each other but hardly friends. American's still place the same priority on highly advanced technology and view themselves as Elves. Russia however doesn't care about technology and have a society where arts, culture, and especially literature are SeriousBuisness. In this light, Russia views themselves as the sophisticated Elves versus the crass building obsessed American Dwarves.

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** Averted however with modern Russia and the United States, which are more amicable towards each other but hardly friends. American's still place the same priority on highly advanced technology and view themselves as Elves. Russia however doesn't care about technology and have a society where arts, culture, and especially literature are SeriousBuisness.SeriousBusiness. In this light, Russia views themselves as the sophisticated Elves versus the crass building obsessed American Dwarves.
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