History Main / EasyLogistics

7th Feb '16 7:43:29 PM Khathi
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* Half of Rommel's troubles in Africa during WorldWarII came from the fact logistics weren't easy for him (as the Italian merchant ships had to run the gauntlet of minefields and British ships and airplanes, the latter of which often ''knew'' where they would pass, while carrying insufficient supplies, and both the Italians and his Afrika Korps had too little trucks and carriages to bring them to the front) but, proportionally speaking, they ''were'' for the Eighth Army (as the Royal Navy was that much better defending the merchant ships, the merchant ships were always full with useful stuff coming from either Britain or America, and the American supplies included enough trucks to bring the stuff to the front). The other half came from him ''squandering'' his reserves of fuel and spare parts and sometimes neglecting to salvage damaged but repairable tanks from the battlefield and demolishing the British ones, thus making the logistic situation even worse. * In general it could be said that the Germans had never really understood logistics: the Germany being a compact and densely populated European country, the logistics kinda ''was'' easy for them most of the time (see below the UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar for an example), so they never had the need to ''feel'' it on a subconscious level, concentration more on the tactical side of warfare. The Allies, on the other hand, included ''four largest'' countries in the world (the Brits still kinda had their empire back then), and, moreover, linked by the various mutual supply agreements, which ''forced'' them to devote themselves to the matters of supply in earnest. It's often said that while Stalin never really understood warfare, he understood ''logistics'', up to personally allocating the scarce resources during the hardest month of 1941, and the Americans [[AwesomenessByAnalysis had to develop a whole scientific method]] to supply their forces through the Pacific war. This had led to Germans in the [=20th=] century often winning battles, but inevitably losing ''wars'' in the long run. * The UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar. All the participants' armies were a) mainly composed of mercenaries and paid professional troops and b) were living off the land and the spoils of war. This made for some ''very'' EasyLogistics indeed, which is the sole reason the war that bankrupted 17th century Europe was able to continue for as long as it did. Most campaigns were based around rivers as these were used to transport food to troops. The concept was called ''Bellum se ipsum alet'' - "the war will feed itself". It was also the reason why this war devastated the Europe so much all those lootings simply didn't leave anything to the civilians, and the level of shooty-killy spirit among all the sides meant that the Pope for some time allowed the poligamy in the Catholic parts of Germany simply to repopulate the land.

* The UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar. All the participants' armies were a) mainly composed of mercenaries and paid professional troops and b) were living off the land and the spoils of war. This made for some ''very'' EasyLogistics indeed, which is the sole reason the war that bankrupted 17th century Europe was able to continue for as long as it did. Most campaigns were based around rivers as these were used to transport food to troops. The concept was called ''Bellum se ipsum alet'' - "the war will feed itself". It was also the reason why this war devastated the Europe so much all those lootings simply didn't leave anything to the civilians, and the level of shooty-killy spirit among all the sides meant that the Pope for some time allowed the poligamy in the Catholic parts of Germany simply to repopulate the land.

* Half of Rommel's troubles in Africa during WorldWarII came from the fact logistics weren't easy for him (as the Italian merchant ships had to run the gauntlet of minefields and British ships and airplanes, the latter of which often ''knew'' where they would pass, while carrying insufficient supplies, and both the Italians and his Afrika Korps had too little trucks and carriages to bring them to the front) but, proportionally speaking, they ''were'' for the Eighth Army (as the Royal Navy was that much better defending the merchant ships, the merchant ships were always full with useful stuff coming from either Britain or America, and the American supplies included enough trucks to bring the stuff to the front). The other half came from him ''squandering'' his reserves of fuel and spare parts and sometimes neglecting to salvage damaged but repairable tanks from the battlefield and demolishing the British ones, thus making the logistic situation even worse.
7th Feb '16 7:26:45 PM Khathi
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## (Unstated assumption): The USSR will be unable to produce new military formations, weapons, and equipment to replace the losses they take.[[note]] This was untrue, with Soviet production of armaments in the latter half of 1941 exceeding German even when they were in the middle of transferring about half of all their manufacturing capacity to Sovet Asia. [[/note]]
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## (Unstated assumption): The USSR will be unable to produce new military formations, weapons, and equipment to replace the losses they take.[[note]] This was untrue, with Soviet production of armaments in the latter half of 1941 exceeding exceeded German even when they were in the middle of transferring about half of all their manufacturing capacity to Sovet Asia. And this doesn't even include the ''insane'' amount of materiel the Soviet Union received from the US through the Lend-Lease program: for example, more than two-thirds of the Soviet trucks and locomotives in WWII were American-built. Note that the US industrial capacity was roughly equal to the all other combatants ''combined''.[[/note]]

*** c.2000 working trucks of more than 111 types[[note]] The Soviets, for contrast, used ''two models of truck''. These were both incorporated into the 18th Panzer Division and the ''Heer'' in general [[/note]]
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*** c.2000 working trucks of more than 111 types[[note]] The Soviets, for contrast, used ''two models of truck''.truck'' (not counting the American ones, of which there were ''three''). These were both incorporated into the 18th Panzer Division and the ''Heer'' in general [[/note]]
15th Jan '16 7:44:50 PM nombretomado
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* Used as a major plot point in TheStainlessSteelRat's Revenge, where interstellar conquest has long been seen as impossible because of logistics issues. It turns out that the conquerors were actually [[spoiler: setting up [[LaResistance revolutionary groups]] on each planet beforehand then marching in as they launched their revolutions]].
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* Used as a major plot point in TheStainlessSteelRat's Revenge, ''Literature/TheStainlessSteelRat's Revenge'', where interstellar conquest has long been seen as impossible because of logistics issues. It turns out that the conquerors were actually [[spoiler: setting up [[LaResistance revolutionary groups]] on each planet beforehand then marching in as they launched their revolutions]].
8th Jan '16 12:40:06 AM gadeel
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* Averted often in ''FanFic/AColdCalculus''. To give a few examples: ** Just after the Shinjuku incident, Ohgi's resistance cell runs low on supplies for everything to the point where they're unable to handle any major operations for a good while. Also, while Kallen loses her Glasgow and manages to steal a Pureblood's Sutherland, that actually makes things more difficult for them as they're unable to find an energy filler for it without drawing attention to themselves. ** During the Refrain arc, we see Inoue and Kallen do a supply run. ** [[AscendedExtra Inoue]] works at Keio Hospital, which lacks personnel, power and supplies due to being essentially a charity-funded operation in the ghettos. Part of Euphie's hearts-and-minds campaign has them send aid to there and like places while also reaching out to the Sumeragi House to get a start on uplifting the conditions, basic and economic, of the Japanese people. ** The author has also reduced the omnipresence Knightmare Frames had in canon due to the logistics needed to field (and lose) them in such numbers as we see in the show. This means that infantry, armor and jet fighters have beefed up roles. Also, no Knight Police.
2nd Jan '16 7:28:47 PM Doug86
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** ''Homeworld: Cataclysm'' {{Hand Wave}}s this [[AllInTheManual in the manual]] by claiming that the Somtaaw have acquired highly-efficient fusion engines from the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens Bentusi]].
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** ''Homeworld: Cataclysm'' {{Hand Wave}}s this [[AllInTheManual [[AllThereInTheManual in the manual]] by claiming that the Somtaaw have acquired highly-efficient fusion engines from the [[SufficientlyAdvancedAliens Bentusi]].

*** It makes sense that people would be careful about funding an organization like that. After all, the [[AllInTheManual manual mentions]] that the Japanese previously tried funding their own alien-hunting agency, which ended up failing to intercept a single UFO.
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*** It makes sense that people would be careful about funding an organization like that. After all, the [[AllInTheManual [[AllThereInTheManual manual mentions]] that the Japanese previously tried funding their own alien-hunting agency, which ended up failing to intercept a single UFO.
9th Dec '15 2:38:46 PM Korval
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*** When the opposing generals discuss the battle after the fact it is pointed out that the Preceptor Martial of Comstar won the battle almost entirely because he understood logistics in a way the Clans did not. The very few clan forces that brought enough supplies tended to win their individual contests.
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*** When the opposing generals discuss the battle after the fact it is pointed out that the Preceptor Precentor Martial of Comstar won the battle almost entirely because he understood logistics in a way the Clans did not. The very few clan forces that brought enough supplies tended to win their individual contests.
2nd Dec '15 6:16:18 PM nombretomado
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* ZigZagged in MegaDrive game ''DesertStrike''. Your Helicopter can run out of fuel, and will crash if fuel isn't kept topped up, and can only carry a limited amount of ammo, picking up more than maximum makes it go to waste. However, you can only get repairs at a landing zone, if you've got passengers on board, and the repairmen will only fix one sixth of your helicopters hit points per person. So if you land with five hundred of damage, but only two people, you have to continue onwards with half your health still missing. It's as if the rest of the air force wants you to fail.
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* ZigZagged in MegaDrive UsefulNotes/MegaDrive game ''DesertStrike''. Your Helicopter can run out of fuel, and will crash if fuel isn't kept topped up, and can only carry a limited amount of ammo, picking up more than maximum makes it go to waste. However, you can only get repairs at a landing zone, if you've got passengers on board, and the repairmen will only fix one sixth of your helicopters hit points per person. So if you land with five hundred of damage, but only two people, you have to continue onwards with half your health still missing. It's as if the rest of the air force wants you to fail.
15th Nov '15 5:25:34 PM nombretomado
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* Averted in ''VideoGame/{{R-Type}} Command'', mostly. All units have limited fuel, and units other than capitol ships cannot be moved if they run out. Units also have limited ammunition, and keeping your forces topped up is a major challenge even early in the game.
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* Averted in ''VideoGame/{{R-Type}} ''VideoGame/RType Command'', mostly. All units have limited fuel, and units other than capitol ships cannot be moved if they run out. Units also have limited ammunition, and keeping your forces topped up is a major challenge even early in the game.
31st Oct '15 6:15:59 PM Night
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* Averted for ''Fanfic/AFeddieStory'' has logistical problems surface in one form or another repeatedly. The Federation vehicles start to run out of ammunition in Iowa, and several vehicles break down at various points in the journey and have to be abandoned. By the time they reach Minneapolis supplies of ammunition are being airlifted to them from Winnipeg, without which they would have been useless during the Battle of Saint Paul. Zeon units by then are suffering a similar issue, as their own supply lines have been cut; one of the reasons they withdraw from Saint Paul is a belief they don't have enough ammunition left to fight a pitched battle. ** Basic fuel and food are rarely concerns, but the reason for this is actually valid: North America is populated enough that it's not hard to find gasoline or a convenience store when regular supply isn't available.
27th Oct '15 10:00:19 AM Saber15
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** ''Videogame/XRebirth'' takes some steps in alleviate the logistics nightmare of previous games, at least in regards to fleet resupply. In previous games, Carriers were a nightmare to manage without a carrier automation [[GameMod script]], as new fighters had to be acquired from a shipyard, new weapons and upgrades had to be sourced as fighters only came with half their max weapons loadout, then the fighters had to be docked to the carrier and typically assigned to a flight wing. And with the earlier games' signature ArtificialStupidity and WallBonking, fighter attrition rates could be atrocious and bring financial ruin. In ''Rebirth'', all capital ships now launch autonomous {{Attack Drone}}s which while weaker than fighters, are ''significantly'' easier and cheaper to replace.
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