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20th Jun '16 1:08:15 PM nielas
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* Averted in the ''Literature/PowderMageTrilogy''. The logistics of moving and supplying large armies of men play a key role in the war that is fought in the books. The major battles are fought over mountain passes that the invading army needs to supply its forces. When a group of corrupt officers steal gunpowder shipments and sell them on the civilian market, it causes serious issues for the army and the crime is treated as a form of treason.
** When an army is cut off behind enemy lines, supplies quickly become an issue. The army is able to forage food and horse feed from the countryside but its only a matter of time before that runs out and the army will have to surrender. It becomes a race as the army tries to fight its way back to its own territory before it runs out of supplied. In the final battle, gunpowder is so short that it is given out to only the best marksmen.
** The trope is played with in one instance when a general realizes that his army is spending less on food than it should but his soldiers seem better fed than before. When he investigates, he discovers that the army's new head chef is actually a god who makes high quality meals appear out of thin air.
18th Jun '16 8:14:22 PM nombretomado
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* Zig-zagged in the storyline to ''LegendOfTheFiveRings'', generally DependingOnTheWriter.

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* Zig-zagged in the storyline to ''LegendOfTheFiveRings'', ''TabletopGame/LegendOfTheFiveRings'', generally DependingOnTheWriter.
17th Jun '16 2:04:20 AM Doug86
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* General Halder (Chief of the General Staff) ensured that the Wehrmacht's planning for ''[[WorldWarTwo Unternehmen Barbarossa'']] played this trope straight. Having been informed that the petrol-reserve would only allow full-scale operations/warfare to a depth of 300km and for two months, [[ShapedLikeItself his team declared (at his prompting) that the war would be won in two months after they advanced to a depth of 300km]]. But they went on to assume that:

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* General Halder (Chief of the General Staff) ensured that the Wehrmacht's planning for ''[[WorldWarTwo ''[[UsefulNotes/WorldWarII Unternehmen Barbarossa'']] played this trope straight. Having been informed that the petrol-reserve would only allow full-scale operations/warfare to a depth of 300km and for two months, [[ShapedLikeItself his team declared (at his prompting) that the war would be won in two months after they advanced to a depth of 300km]]. But they went on to assume that:



* Half of Rommel's troubles in Africa during WorldWarII came from the fact logistics weren't easy for him (as the Italian merchant ships had to run the gauntlet of minefields and British ships and airplanes, the latter of which often ''knew'' where they would pass, while carrying insufficient supplies, and both the Italians and his Afrika Korps had too little trucks and carriages to bring them to the front) but, proportionally speaking, they ''were'' for the Eighth Army (as the Royal Navy was that much better defending the merchant ships, the merchant ships were always full with useful stuff coming from either Britain or America, and the American supplies included enough trucks to bring the stuff to the front). The other half came from him ''squandering'' his reserves of fuel and spare parts and sometimes neglecting to salvage damaged but repairable tanks from the battlefield and demolishing the British ones, thus making the logistic situation even worse.

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* Half of Rommel's troubles in Africa during WorldWarII UsefulNotes/WorldWarII came from the fact logistics weren't easy for him (as the Italian merchant ships had to run the gauntlet of minefields and British ships and airplanes, the latter of which often ''knew'' where they would pass, while carrying insufficient supplies, and both the Italians and his Afrika Korps had too little trucks and carriages to bring them to the front) but, proportionally speaking, they ''were'' for the Eighth Army (as the Royal Navy was that much better defending the merchant ships, the merchant ships were always full with useful stuff coming from either Britain or America, and the American supplies included enough trucks to bring the stuff to the front). The other half came from him ''squandering'' his reserves of fuel and spare parts and sometimes neglecting to salvage damaged but repairable tanks from the battlefield and demolishing the British ones, thus making the logistic situation even worse.
14th Jun '16 8:18:43 PM Alceister
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The US military also applies the overwhelming importance of logistics to its attack strategies. The ''enemies'' supply routes, manufacturing and distribution centers, storage facilities, transportation hubs, shipping ports, and sources of raw materials are all considered high priority targets and can count on getting thoroughly pounded. The reasoning is simple: Enemy forces can't attack your forces if they don't have fuel, ammunition, food, water, spare parts... Yamamota, after Pearl Harbor, considered it one of his greatest mistakes to not launch a 3rd attack wave...not against the warships, but against Pearl Harbors' maintenance yards and fuel storage depots. If he had done so, it would have added anywhere from eighteen months to two years before America would have been able to take the fight to the Japanese.

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The US military also applies the overwhelming importance of logistics to its attack strategies. The ''enemies'' supply routes, manufacturing and distribution centers, storage facilities, transportation hubs, shipping ports, and sources of raw materials are all considered high priority targets and can count on getting thoroughly pounded. The reasoning is simple: Enemy forces can't attack your forces if they don't have fuel, ammunition, food, water, spare parts... Yamamota, Yamamoto, after Pearl Harbor, considered it one of his greatest mistakes to not launch a 3rd attack wave...not against the warships, but wave against Pearl Harbors' Harbor's maintenance yards and fuel storage depots. If he had done so, it would have added anywhere from eighteen months to two years before America would have been able to take the fight to the Japanese.
14th Jun '16 8:17:20 PM Alceister
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** Two CO's even have this as part of their [[LimitBreak CO Powers]]. Jess (AW2 and AW:DS) and Greyfield (Days of Ruin) [[BoringButPractical instantly resupply all units.]]

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** Two CO's even have this as part of their [[LimitBreak CO Powers]]. Jess (AW2 ([=AW2=] and AW:DS) and Greyfield (Days of Ruin) [[BoringButPractical instantly resupply all units.]]
14th Jun '16 8:15:37 PM Alceister
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* Averted in ''VideoGame/WargameEuropeanEscalation''. All vehicles have limited ammunition and fuel, and can only be repaired and resupplied when in range of a logistics vehicle or Forward Operating Base. However, even the logistics vehicles and FOBs have (very) limited supplies, making it impossible to keep your units well-stocked for too long. FOBs are a bit less limited in their supplies, but they can't be deployed after the pregame. Reinforcements also come from outside the map through predetermined paths that are only available when you control the entry territory, allowing ambushes and blockades.

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* Averted in ''VideoGame/WargameEuropeanEscalation''. All vehicles have limited ammunition and fuel, and can only be repaired and resupplied when in range of a logistics vehicle or Forward Operating Base. However, even the logistics vehicles and FOBs [=FOBs=] have (very) limited supplies, making it impossible to keep your units well-stocked for too long. FOBs [=FOBs=] are a bit less limited in their supplies, but they can't be deployed after the pregame. Reinforcements also come from outside the map through predetermined paths that are only available when you control the entry territory, allowing ambushes and blockades.
14th Jun '16 8:14:53 PM Alceister
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* [[VideoGame/NintendoWars Advance Wars]] requires you to keep your units supplied with fuel and ammunition. However, resupplying can be done with a single [=APC=] that is capable of resupplying any unit, including naval vessels and aircraft. Even on the same turn. [=APCs=] also never run out of supplies themselves, except their own fuel supply.

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* [[VideoGame/NintendoWars Advance Wars]] requires you to keep your units supplied with fuel and ammunition. However, resupplying can be done with a single [=APC=] that is capable of resupplying any unit, including naval vessels and aircraft. Even on the same turn. [=APCs=] also never run out of supplies themselves, except their own fuel supply.supply, and even that can be alleviated by merely having ''two'' [=APCs=], which can restore each other indefinitely.
14th Jun '16 7:44:31 PM Alceister
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** This was the norm in Napoleon's day, hence the famous quote. You would have roaming bands of soldiers raiding homesteads for food leaving the civilians meager rations; and that was in allied territory. The British were slightly-less hated than other armies because their army was considerably smaller (and thus less raid-y) than everyone else's, and they tended to hand out receipts for the stuff they looted. While one the one hand they rarely actually paid out on these receipts, on the other hand there were times when they actually paid for the stuff they'd taken - something ''no-one else'' did (if only because the British banking system was so ridiculously advanced compared to everyone else's).
** During the peninsular war, paying for supplies was one of the requirement imposed by the Duke of Wellington. He figured it helped prevent the civilians from murdering the soldiers. This allowed him to free up soldiers that would normally be protecting the supply lines.

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** This was the norm in Napoleon's day, hence the famous quote. You would have roaming bands of soldiers raiding homesteads for food leaving the civilians meager rations; and that was in allied territory. The British were slightly-less hated than other armies because their army was considerably smaller (and thus less raid-y) than everyone else's, and they tended to hand out receipts for the stuff they looted. While one the one hand they rarely actually paid out on these receipts, on the other hand there were times when they actually paid for the stuff they'd taken - something ''no-one else'' did (if only because the British banking system was so ridiculously advanced compared to everyone else's).
** During the peninsular war, Peninsular War, paying for supplies was one of the requirement imposed by the Duke of Wellington. He figured it helped prevent the civilians from murdering the soldiers. This allowed him to free up soldiers that would normally be protecting the supply lines.
14th Jun '16 7:43:26 PM Alceister
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* The UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar. All the participants' armies were a) mainly composed of mercenaries and paid professional troops and b) were living off the land and the spoils of war. This made for some ''very'' EasyLogistics indeed, which is the sole reason the war that bankrupted 17th century Europe was able to continue for as long as it did. Most campaigns were based around rivers as these were used to transport food to troops. The concept was called ''Bellum se ipsum alet'' - "the war will feed itself". It was also the reason why this war devastated the Europe so much all those lootings simply didn't leave anything to the civilians, and the level of shooty-killy spirit among all the sides meant that the Pope for some time allowed the poligamy in the Catholic parts of Germany simply to repopulate the land.

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* The UsefulNotes/ThirtyYearsWar. All the participants' armies were a) mainly composed of mercenaries and paid professional troops and b) were living off the land and the spoils of war. This made for some ''very'' EasyLogistics indeed, which is the sole reason the war that bankrupted 17th century Europe was able to continue for as long as it did. Most campaigns were based around rivers as these were used to transport food to troops. The concept was called ''Bellum se ipsum alet'' - "the war will feed itself". It was also the reason why this war devastated the Europe so much all those lootings simply didn't leave anything to the civilians, and the level of shooty-killy spirit among all the sides meant that the Pope for some time allowed the poligamy polygamy in the Catholic parts of Germany simply to repopulate the land.
9th Jun '16 2:45:44 PM Scolopendra
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** Since then, played perfectly straight in Mechwarrior Online's "Community Warfare" mode. A strategic map of the Inner Sphere is provided for factions to fight over, but the factions are not constrained by such bean-counter things as 'industrial output,' 'transit time,' or 'transport capacity.' This leads to all sorts of wacky salients as each reset season progresses, and as there's no death penalty, much less a requirement for players to pay for repairs and expended ammunition, the faction with the most players (and thus the most competent players) easily wins.
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