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24th Sep '17 5:49:32 PM nombretomado
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*** Rather notably the episode also deconstructs deconstructions by pointing out how a person completely ignoring the MST3KMantra or BellisariosMaxim would be widely viewed as an obnoxious, cynical {{Jerkass}} who judges everyone for [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike liking things they don't]] and spends all their time complaining about pointless stuff. Indeed most of Stan's problems come from the fact that he refuses to consider that ''other people'' could like the things he constantly bitches about.

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*** Rather notably the episode also deconstructs deconstructions by pointing out how a person completely ignoring the MST3KMantra or BellisariosMaxim would be widely viewed as an obnoxious, cynical {{Jerkass}} who judges everyone for [[ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike [[Administrivia/ComplainingAboutShowsYouDontLike liking things they don't]] and spends all their time complaining about pointless stuff. Indeed most of Stan's problems come from the fact that he refuses to consider that ''other people'' could like the things he constantly bitches about.
18th Sep '17 11:53:05 PM 4444jdm
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** Before it, ''Series/UltraQ: Dark Fantasy'' deconstructs its 1966 original, having elements later used in ''Ultraman Nexus''.
18th Sep '17 12:47:26 AM 4444jdm
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** ''Series/UltrasevenX'' took what Nexus did UpToEleven and combined it with ''Series/UltraSeven'', a more sci-fi series [[DarkerAndEdgier far more serious and thought-provoking]] than any Showa ''Ultra Series''.

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** ''Series/UltrasevenX'' took what Nexus did UpToEleven and combined it with ''Series/UltraSeven'', a more sci-fi series [[DarkerAndEdgier far more serious and thought-provoking]] than any Showa ''Ultra Series''. It also deconstructs SpyFiction genre since the defense team in the series turns out to be EvilAllAlong, and the Seven X's design is a [[{{Heel}} darker take]] on both the Ultramen and [[ProfessionalWrestling the professional wrestlers]].
17th Sep '17 10:23:42 AM KandC
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* ''VideoGame/PhantomBrave'' viciously deconstructs AllOfTheOtherReindeer. The power of a Chroma (which is what Marona is) is, for all intents and purposes, necromancy, and as such it is widely regarded as a dark, unholy power, and people react accordingly to her. This isn't simply general disdain or mocking of her, this is real, genuine fear and hatred. Listen to that woman who scolds her son for wanting to be friends with Marona in the opening chapter. You can feel the pure, unbridled barely contained ''rage'' she has at the mere ''mention'' of her name.

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* ''VideoGame/PhantomBrave'' viciously deconstructs AllOfTheOtherReindeer. The power of a Chroma (which is what Marona is) Marona's Chartreuse is, for all intents and purposes, necromancy, and as such it is widely regarded as a dark, unholy power, and people react accordingly to her. This isn't simply general disdain or mocking of her, this is real, genuine fear and hatred. Listen to that woman who scolds her son for wanting to be friends with Marona in the opening chapter. You can feel the pure, unbridled barely contained ''rage'' she has at the mere ''mention'' of her name.
17th Sep '17 10:05:27 AM JJHIL325
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** As the series goes on, Steven's AllLovingHero and ActualPacifist status gets deconstructed. Steven's methods of resolving things peacefully [[RealityEnsues only get him so far when getting enemies to see eye to eye with him]]. They work on certain Gems like [[spoiler: Peridot (who was only on Earth for a mission and didn't know about the history of the Crystal Gems and the rebellion), Lapis (who only wished to go home), or even the Cluster (a mindless mass of suffering Crystal Gem personalities who don’t want to destroy the Earth)]] because they’re able to see his viewpoints and react well to his kindness. However, against other Gems like [[spoiler: Bismuth (willing to violently assert her own beliefs) Jasper, (a ChildSoldier who has personal grudges against his mother for her actions during the rebellion), Eyeball Ruby (who also hates Rose for her actions during the war and is a SociopathicSoldier), some of them were so wrapped up in their beliefs that they couldn’t see other viewpoints and they outright reject and try to kill him when they’re given the chance]]. Those situations forced him to learn that [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop pacifism won't always mesh well]] with the [[GreyAndGrayMorality morally-complex world that he lives in]], because many threats can't simply be talked down and sometimes [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption there’s no choice but to resort to violence]]. In “Mindful Education” Steven admits that he blames himself for not being able to do anything to help them and [[HeroicBSOD finally breaks down after weeks of holding his stress in]].

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** As the series goes on, Steven's AllLovingHero and ActualPacifist status gets deconstructed. Steven's methods of resolving things peacefully [[RealityEnsues only get him so far when getting enemies to see eye to eye with him]]. They work on certain Gems like [[spoiler: Peridot (who was only on Earth for a mission and didn't know about the history of the Crystal Gems and the rebellion), Lapis (who only wished to go home), or even the Cluster (a mindless mass of suffering Crystal Gem personalities who don’t want to destroy the Earth)]] because they’re able to see his viewpoints and react well to his kindness. However, against other Gems like [[spoiler: Bismuth (willing to violently assert her own beliefs) Jasper, (a ChildSoldier who has personal grudges against his mother for her actions during the rebellion), and Eyeball Ruby (who also hates Rose for her actions during the war and is a SociopathicSoldier), some of them were so wrapped up in their beliefs that SociopathicSoldier)]], they couldn’t see other viewpoints aren't too willing to side with Steven and they outright reject and try to kill him when they’re given the chance]].chance, even after he tries to save them. Those situations forced him to learn that [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop pacifism won't always mesh well]] with the [[GreyAndGrayMorality morally-complex world that he lives in]], because many threats can't simply be talked down and sometimes [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption there’s no choice but to resort to violence]]. In “Mindful Education” Steven admits that he blames himself for not being able to do anything to help them and [[HeroicBSOD finally breaks down after weeks of holding his stress in]].
17th Sep '17 9:58:15 AM JJHIL325
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** As the series goes on, Steven's AllLovingHero and ActualPacifist status gets deconstructed. Steven's methods of resolving things peacefully [[RealityEnsues only get him so far when getting enemies to see eye to eye with him]]. They work on certain Gems like [[spoiler: Peridot (who was only on Earth for a mission and didn't know about the history of the Crystal Gems and the rebellion), Lapis (who only wished to go home), or even the Cluster (a mindless mass of suffering Crystal Gem personalities who don’t want to destroy the Earth)]] because they’re able to see his viewpoints and react well to his kindness. However, against other Gems like [[spoiler: Bismuth (willing to violently assert her own beliefs) Jasper, (a ChildSoldier who has personal grudges against his mother for her actions during the rebellion), Eyeball Ruby (who also hates Rose for her actions during the war and is a SociopathicSoldier), some of them were so wrapped up in their beliefs that they couldn’t see other viewpoints and they outright reject and try to kill him when they’re given the chance]]. Those situations forced him to learn that [[FamilyUnfriendlyAesop pacifism won't always mesh well]] with the [[GreyAndGrayMorality morally-complex world that he lives in]], because many threats can't simply be talked down and sometimes [[ViolenceIsTheOnlyOption there’s no choice but to resort to violence]]. In “Mindful Education” Steven admits that he blames himself for not being able to do anything to help them and [[HeroicBSOD finally breaks down after weeks of holding his stress in]].
8th Sep '17 7:48:08 AM ChronoLegion
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* Creator/SergeyLukyanenko's ''Literature/TheStarsAreColdToys'' deconstructs the idealistic utopia of Creator/StrugatskyBrothers' Franchise/NoonUniverse with the [[HumanAlien Geometer]] society. On the surface, the world of the Geometers is a perfect utopia of what humanity might one day achieve: CrystalSpiresAndTogas, advanced technology, post-scarcity (to the point where they can waste resources on making their continents look like geometric shapes, hence the name for their race), everyone happily working towards the common good and enjoying life, the goal towards universal Friendship with other races. Then you dig deeper and find out that kids are taken from their parents at a young age and raised in boarding schools, anyone who starts doubting the wisdom of the Mentors or the philosophy of Friendship is deemed sick and placed in "sanatoriums" (basically, forced labor camps, who maintain those geometrically shaped coastlines), most of the food and drink on the planet is laced with tranquilizers to keep violence and base emotions down. Oh, and their current state of society was achieved after they have wiped out another sentient species on their planet (but they feel really bad about it, honest). And how do they turn ''non-friends'' (they don't have a word for "enemy") into friends? They send in agents to regress an alien culture to a more primitive state, then appear as emissaries from the heavens and offer their help to the primitives. As always, they believe that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans.
5th Sep '17 10:15:29 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** The BigBad [[spoiler:Lusamine deconstructs trainer themself. Claiming to love all pokemon and want to collect them all, just like the trainer. While treating them(as well as people) as little more than objects. Ignoring that which she does not find appealing and discarding ones that are no longer of use to her. Even keeping cryogenically frozen pokemon on display, asking how its any different from the player keeping their unused ones in a box. When a new and unknown pokemon, the ultrabeasts appear, she wants them for herself, just like the player does.]]

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** The BigBad [[spoiler:Lusamine deconstructs trainer themself. Claiming to love all pokemon and want to collect them all, just like the trainer. While treating them(as them (as well as people) as little more than objects. Ignoring that which she does not find appealing and discarding ones that are no longer of use to her. Even keeping cryogenically frozen pokemon on display, asking how its any different from the player keeping their unused ones in a box. When a new and unknown pokemon, the ultrabeasts appear, she wants them for herself, just like the player does.]]
29th Aug '17 12:41:13 PM HalcyonDayz
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This doesn't mean magic and other fantastic or futuristic elements, or any other tropes must be removed or attacked for failing to match up with their own pretentions of self-consistent reality, of course. While sometimes perceived as an aggressive attack on the meaning or entertainment value of a work or text, deconstruction is not properly about passing judgment (and in fact, the term "deconstruction" was picked over the German term "Dekonstruktion" to suggest careful attention to the detail within a text over violently emptying the work of all meaning). It means that all existing elements of a work are played without the RuleOfCool, RuleOfDrama, RuleOfFunny, [[RuleOfIndex and so on]], to see what hidden assumptions the work uses to make its point. Sometimes you will hear this referred to as "[[PlayingWithATrope played completely straight]]", and it can be thought of as taking a work more seriously on its own terms than even the work itself does, for the purpose of laying bare hidden meanings in the text.

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This doesn't mean magic and other fantastic or futuristic elements, or any other tropes must be removed or attacked for failing to match up with their own pretentions pretensions of self-consistent reality, of course. While sometimes perceived as an aggressive attack on the meaning or entertainment value of a work or text, deconstruction is not properly about passing judgment (and in fact, the term "deconstruction" was picked over the German term "Dekonstruktion" to suggest careful attention to the detail within a text over violently emptying the work of all meaning). It means that all existing elements of a work are played without the RuleOfCool, RuleOfDrama, RuleOfFunny, [[RuleOfIndex and so on]], to see what hidden assumptions the work uses to make its point. Sometimes you will hear this referred to as "[[PlayingWithATrope played completely straight]]", and it can be thought of as taking a work more seriously on its own terms than even the work itself does, for the purpose of laying bare hidden meanings in the text.



** ''Videogame/DragonAgeII'' is way worse in this regard because it deconstructs Western RPGs as a whole. There is no BigBad to speak of, the main character cares more for his loved ones than saving the world, and the major conflict of the story is between two opposing factions that [[BothSidesHaveAPoint both have very good reasons for being the way they are towards each other]].

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** ''Videogame/DragonAgeII'' is way worse in this regard because it deconstructs Western RPGs [=RPGs=] as a whole. There is no BigBad to speak of, the main character cares more for his loved ones than saving the world, and the major conflict of the story is between two opposing factions that [[BothSidesHaveAPoint both have very good reasons for being the way they are towards each other]].



* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' is quite a big example of Deconstruction. In fact, it's an entire DeconstructionGame. The deconstructed element is the save/restart game file element in [[RolePlayingGame RPGs]], and you can see why. Once you complete 1 run, you'll feel the need to complete others. However, [[spoiler:once you play the game again for a different ending, things will be very different. The 2 most mysterious characters, Flowey & Sans, will both react the most different after different runs, as they're the [[FourthWallObserver observers of the 4th wall]]. But of course, many other characters (including you) will react differently. However, this causes great distress for Sans since he knows that constantly starting, saving, and stopping will scatter & end his and others lives, then restarting them all over again, thus deconstructing the trope of saving/restarting your game files]].

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* ''VideoGame/{{Undertale}}'' is quite a big example of Deconstruction. In fact, it's an entire DeconstructionGame. The deconstructed element is the save/restart game file element in [[RolePlayingGame RPGs]], [{{Role Playing Game}}s, and you can see why. Once you complete 1 run, you'll feel the need to complete others. However, [[spoiler:once you play the game again for a different ending, things will be very different. The 2 most mysterious characters, Flowey & Sans, will both react the most different after different runs, as they're the [[FourthWallObserver observers of the 4th wall]]. But of course, many other characters (including you) will react differently. However, this causes great distress for Sans since he knows that constantly starting, saving, and stopping will scatter & end his and others lives, then restarting them all over again, thus deconstructing the trope of saving/restarting your game files]].
24th Aug '17 3:15:02 PM JJHIL325
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* ''Liteature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' similarly takes a harsher look at the KidHero. Every Half-blood is cursed to live a miserable life. They're all seen as problem kids and trouble makers due to the dyslexia caused by their divine blood, and never fit in among mortals. While living in constant fear of monsters attacking them anytime they're not at camp or another guarded place. They're lucky to reach maturity and its almost unheard of for any of them to settle down and live a happy life outside of camp.
** ParentalAbandonment is brutally taken apart as the struggle of the hero's mortal parent's to raise a child alone is made very clear. Even after reaching Camp Half-blood it can take weeks, months, and sometimes, ''years'' before a demi-god's divine parent will take notice and claim them. With the driving force behind Luke and his follower's rebellion against the gods being the neglect and seeming abandonment they've suffered.

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* ''Liteature/PercyJacksonAndTheOlympians'' similarly takes a harsher look at the KidHero. Every Half-blood is cursed to live a miserable life. They're all seen as problem kids and trouble makers due to the dyslexia and ADHD caused by their divine blood, and never fit in among mortals. While living in constant fear of monsters attacking them anytime they're not at camp or another guarded place. They're lucky to reach maturity and its almost unheard of for any of them to settle down and live a happy life outside of camp.
** ParentalAbandonment is brutally taken apart as the struggle of the hero's mortal parent's to raise a child alone is made very clear. Even after reaching Camp Half-blood it can take weeks, months, and sometimes, ''years'' before a demi-god's divine parent will take notice and claim them. With the The driving force behind Luke and his follower's rebellion against the gods being is the neglect and seeming abandonment they've suffered.suffered. And even though Percy hates Luke out of most of the good guys, [[JerkassHasAPoint he acknowledges that Luke does have every right to be angry with the gods]].
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