History Main / DealwiththeDevil

4th Nov '17 10:15:01 PM memememememe
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* Usury, aka taking loans. The lender and borrower will pledge into well, a Loan Contract. The lender will lend his money at first, but some time in the future force the borrower to pay back more. Interest is where the debt multiplies over time. If the borrowers can no longer pay back the interest, then bad things (bankruptcy, seizing your bankrupt assets as collateral, or even debt slavery) happen. For a more profound example, taking a desperate loan out from the mafia, a MorallyBankruptBanker, or comparable organization of {{Loan Shark}}s. You can get a huge loan, no questions asked, or even access to something else you need... but you'll will be forced to pay back a LOT more than you otherwise would, sometimes with your possessions, life, organs, or forced service.

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* Usury, aka taking loans. The lender and borrower will pledge into well, a Loan Contract. The lender will lend his money at first, first so you can immediately use it, but some time in the future force the borrower to pay back more. Interest is where the debt multiplies over time. If the borrowers can no longer pay back the interest, then bad things (bankruptcy, seizing your bankrupt assets as collateral, or even debt slavery) happen. For a more profound example, taking a desperate loan out from the mafia, a MorallyBankruptBanker, or comparable organization of {{Loan Shark}}s. You can get a huge loan, no questions asked, or even access to something else you need... but you'll will be forced to pay back a LOT more than you otherwise would, sometimes with your possessions, life, organs, or forced service.
9th Sep '17 5:35:16 PM Prime32
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# Conversely, [[WowingCthulhu impress or entertain the devil so much]] that taking your soul would seem like a waste.
9th Aug '17 7:33:25 PM TheNerfGuy
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* ConspiracyTheories claim many celebrities make it big in show business and music by making a deal like this with UsefulNotes/TheIlluminati. They claim such artists can be identified by how they cover one eye and make triangular hand signals in their released works. Why an evil all-seeing cabal doesn't bother to change its methods or signals now that these folks are "on to them" is something they never explain.
8th Aug '17 7:21:36 AM Dravencour
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Deal With The Devil plots can overlap with WhatAnIdiot, as smart and rational people know to stay well the hell away from deals like these. Some writers try to defend the Faust by turning the deal into a LeonineContract - either the deal was made under some kind of duress, or the Mephistopheles made the offer when the victim had no time to think (e.g., offering to save him from the DeathTrap in return for something nasty). Others make the contract so long, complex and filled with Latin-esque legal jargon that no one will ReadTheFinePrint [[SevenDeadlySins (Sloth is a very undervalued sin)]]. Also expect ExactWords and YouDidntAsk to be employed against the Faust.

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Deal With The Devil plots can overlap with WhatAnIdiot, as smart and rational people know to stay well the hell away from deals like these. Some writers try to defend the Faust by turning the deal into a LeonineContract - either the deal was made when the Faust was in desperate straits or under some kind of duress, or the Mephistopheles made the offer when the victim had no time to think (e.g., offering to save him from the DeathTrap in return for something nasty). Others make the contract so long, complex and filled with Latin-esque legal jargon that no one will ReadTheFinePrint [[SevenDeadlySins (Sloth is a very undervalued sin)]]. Also expect ExactWords and YouDidntAsk to be employed against the Faust.
7th Aug '17 4:42:03 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* ConspiracyTheories claim many celebrities make it big in show business and music by making a deal like this with UsefulNotes/TheIlluminati. They claim such artists can be identified by how they cover one eye and make triangular hand signals in their released works. (Why an evil all-seeing cabal doesn't bother to change its methods or signals now that these folks are "on to them" is something they never explain.)

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* ConspiracyTheories claim many celebrities make it big in show business and music by making a deal like this with UsefulNotes/TheIlluminati. They claim such artists can be identified by how they cover one eye and make triangular hand signals in their released works. (Why Why an evil all-seeing cabal doesn't bother to change its methods or signals now that these folks are "on to them" is something they never explain.)
1st Aug '17 12:11:18 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* ConspiracyTheories claim many celebrities make it big in show business and music by making a deal like this with UsefulNotes/TheIlluminati. They claim such artists can be identified by how they cover one eye and make triangular hand signals in their released works. (Why an evil all-seeing cabal doesn't bother to change its methods or signals now that these folks are "on to them" is something they never explain.)
14th Jul '17 11:40:09 AM Dravencour
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You know how it works. Want to be a [[{{Fiction 500}} millionaire]], TakeOverTheWorld, gain [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity infinite power]], or just to get back at that obnoxious JerkJock? Well travel down to [[AtTheCrossroads those crossroads]] and [[LouisCypher Mr. S]] will [[YourHeartsDesire guarantee your wildest dreams]], if you just sign on the dotted line with your own blood. This trope is OlderThanSteam, and does not even require the Abrahamic Devil; any {{trickster|s}}, [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demon}}, or evil deity [[EverybodyHatesHades roughly equivalent]] to {{Satan}} can be used. It reached its current version in the 16th-century legend of {{Faust}} selling his soul to Mephistopheles (who technically isn't ''quite'' exactly Satan or Lucifer, but still a high-ranking demon).

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You know how it works. Want to be a [[{{Fiction 500}} millionaire]], TakeOverTheWorld, gain [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity infinite power]], or just to get back at that obnoxious JerkJock? Well travel down to [[AtTheCrossroads those crossroads]] and [[LouisCypher Mr. S]] will [[YourHeartsDesire guarantee your wildest dreams]], if you just sign on the dotted line with your own blood. This trope is OlderThanSteam, and does not even require the Abrahamic Devil; any {{trickster|s}}, [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demon}}, demon]], or evil deity [[EverybodyHatesHades roughly equivalent]] to {{Satan}} can be used. It reached its current version in the 16th-century legend of {{Faust}} selling his soul to Mephistopheles (who technically isn't ''quite'' exactly Satan or Lucifer, but still a high-ranking demon).
14th Jul '17 11:39:44 AM Dravencour
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You know how it works. Want to be a [[{{Fiction 500}} millionaire]], TakeOverTheWorld, gain [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity infinite power]], or just to get back at that obnoxious JerkJock? Well travel down to [[AtTheCrossroads those crossroads]] and [[LouisCypher Mr. S]] will [[YourHeartsDesire guarantee your wildest dreams]], if you just sign on the dotted line with your own blood. This trope is OlderThanSteam, and does not even require the Abrahamic Devil; any {{trickster|s}}, {{demon}}, or evil deity [[EverybodyHatesHades roughly equivalent]] to {{Satan}} can be used. It reached its current version in the 16th-century legend of {{Faust}} selling his soul to Mephistopheles (who technically isn't ''quite'' exactly Satan or Lucifer, but still a high-ranking demon).

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You know how it works. Want to be a [[{{Fiction 500}} millionaire]], TakeOverTheWorld, gain [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity infinite power]], or just to get back at that obnoxious JerkJock? Well travel down to [[AtTheCrossroads those crossroads]] and [[LouisCypher Mr. S]] will [[YourHeartsDesire guarantee your wildest dreams]], if you just sign on the dotted line with your own blood. This trope is OlderThanSteam, and does not even require the Abrahamic Devil; any {{trickster|s}}, {{demon}}, [[OurDemonsAreDifferent demon}}, or evil deity [[EverybodyHatesHades roughly equivalent]] to {{Satan}} can be used. It reached its current version in the 16th-century legend of {{Faust}} selling his soul to Mephistopheles (who technically isn't ''quite'' exactly Satan or Lucifer, but still a high-ranking demon).
14th Jul '17 11:38:47 AM Dravencour
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You know how it works. Want to be a [[{{Fiction 500}} millionaire]], TakeOverTheWorld, gain [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity infinite power]], or just to get back at that obnoxious JerkJock? Well travel down to [[AtTheCrossroads those crossroads]] and [[LouisCypher Mr. S]] will [[YourHeartsDesire guarantee your wildest dreams]], if you just sign on the dotted line with your own blood. This trope is OlderThanSteam, and does not even require the Abrahamic Devil; any {{trickster|s}} or evil deity [[EverybodyHatesHades roughly equivalent]] to {{Satan}} can be used. It reached its current version in the 16th-century legend of {{Faust}} selling his soul to Mephistopheles (who technically isn't ''quite'' exactly Satan or Lucifer, but still a high-ranking demon).

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You know how it works. Want to be a [[{{Fiction 500}} millionaire]], TakeOverTheWorld, gain [[WithGreatPowerComesGreatInsanity infinite power]], or just to get back at that obnoxious JerkJock? Well travel down to [[AtTheCrossroads those crossroads]] and [[LouisCypher Mr. S]] will [[YourHeartsDesire guarantee your wildest dreams]], if you just sign on the dotted line with your own blood. This trope is OlderThanSteam, and does not even require the Abrahamic Devil; any {{trickster|s}} {{trickster|s}}, {{demon}}, or evil deity [[EverybodyHatesHades roughly equivalent]] to {{Satan}} can be used. It reached its current version in the 16th-century legend of {{Faust}} selling his soul to Mephistopheles (who technically isn't ''quite'' exactly Satan or Lucifer, but still a high-ranking demon).
23rd May '17 3:15:05 PM MrThorfan64
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An alternate form is a deal where the Mephistopheles offers the Faust exactly what he wants, if not more, but to get it, he has to undergo an ImpossibleTask that Mephistopheles obviously does not think the Faust can complete, with the Faust's soul as the penalty if he fails. Alternately, the deal truly has no strings attached, as it's a XanatosGambit where the Faust's good fortune or success will deliver the soul of another to Mephistopheles.

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An alternate form is a deal where the Mephistopheles offers the Faust exactly what he wants, if not more, but to get it, he has to undergo an ImpossibleTask that Mephistopheles obviously does not think the Faust can complete, with the Faust's soul as the penalty if he fails. In such occasions they can escape the Devil's trap. Alternately, the deal truly has no strings attached, as it's a XanatosGambit where the Faust's good fortune or success will deliver the soul of another to Mephistopheles.
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