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3rd Apr '16 9:28:48 PM AdamNY
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A ToneShift that seeks to make a work of fiction more [[SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness serious]], [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical]] or [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty gritty]]. In theory, archetypes which we are usually accustomed to acting in a more noble setting will have to act in one where they must think and act grimly in order to make progress, [[{{Deconstruction}} thus forcing re-examination of the tropes involved]] or the ability to use new tropes and expand the setting making for different sorts of characters and stories. In practice however, writers can be too lazy to make use of what most of those words mean and ending up randomly "spicing up" a work with [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence gratuitous gore]], [[ClusterFBomb cursing]], and {{sex|IsCool}} to make the work "more adult" - often overdoing it in the process.

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A ToneShift that seeks to make a work of fiction more [[SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness serious]], [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical]] or [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty gritty]]. In theory, archetypes which we are usually accustomed to acting in a more noble setting will have to act in one where they must think and act grimly in order to make progress, [[{{Deconstruction}} thus forcing re-examination of the tropes involved]] or the ability to use new tropes and expand the setting making for different sorts of characters and stories. In practice however, writers can be too lazy to make use of what most of those words mean and ending up randomly "spicing up" a work with [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence gratuitous gore]], [[ClusterFBomb cursing]], and {{sex|IsCool}} to make the work "more adult" - often overdoing it in the process.
process. This is not to be confused with tough love.
26th Jan '16 3:59:29 PM Josef5678
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As one could predict, this is fairly easy to screw up and poor use of these tropes may just result in DarknessInducedAudienceApathy if the setting gets too depressing or {{Narm}} if the edginess becomes just silly. [[TropesAreTools This doesn't make it a bad trope though]]-- when this is used subtly such as in the HarryPotter series it can create the effect of a series growing up with its audience.

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As one could predict, this is fairly easy to screw up and poor use of these tropes may just result in DarknessInducedAudienceApathy if the setting gets too depressing or {{Narm}} if the edginess becomes just silly. [[TropesAreTools This doesn't make it a bad trope though]]-- when this is used subtly such as in the HarryPotter ''Literature/HarryPotter'' series it can create the effect of a series growing up with its audience.
20th Dec '15 7:58:20 PM nombretomado
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This trope became extremely popular in ComicBooks as a rebellion against the SilverAge but also led to more than a decade of clumsy attempts to show that comics are "[[MaturityIsSeriousBusiness not kid stuff anymore]]." See UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, UsefulNotes/{{the Dark Age|OfComicBooks}}, and NinetiesAntiHero for more details about how this worked.

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This trope became extremely popular in ComicBooks as a rebellion against the SilverAge UsefulNotes/{{the Silver Age|of Comic Books}} but also led to more than a decade of clumsy attempts to show that comics are "[[MaturityIsSeriousBusiness not kid stuff anymore]]." See UsefulNotes/{{the Bronze Age|OfComicBooks}}, UsefulNotes/{{the Dark Age|OfComicBooks}}, and NinetiesAntiHero for more details about how this worked.
21st Oct '15 12:02:17 AM RWDutton
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When a show uses this trope as a tagline, you can expect a mixture of: [[ColdBloodedTorture awful things]] [[BreakTheCutie happening to the characters]], [[DarkAndTroubledPast twisted backstories]] [[DeusAngstMachina giving them a reason to angst]], and the [[WorldHalfEmpty setting becoming]] [[CrapsackWorld much bleaker]].

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When a show uses this trope as a tagline, you can expect a mixture of: [[ColdBloodedTorture awful things]] [[BreakTheCutie happening to the characters]], [[DarkAndTroubledPast twisted backstories]] [[DeusAngstMachina giving them a reason to angst]], [[BlackAndGrayMorality good]] and [[GreyAndGreyMorality bad becoming less obvious]],and the [[WorldHalfEmpty setting becoming]] [[CrapsackWorld much bleaker]].
20th Oct '15 11:54:43 PM RWDutton
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In fact this is often the purpose of a Darker And Edgier turn. Just as a LighterAndSofter tone is typically part of an attempt to bring a fictional world to children or to younger children, a "darker" tone is often intended to make a setting appeal to older children or adults.

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In fact this is often the purpose of a Darker And Edgier turn. Just as a LighterAndSofter tone is typically part of an attempt to bring a fictional world to children or to younger children, a "darker" tone is often intended to make a setting appeal to older children or adults. \n But unlike its opposite, a Darker And Edgier shift is often intended not to reach a new audience, but rather to keep an existing audience as it grows up. It can also be a result of child fans growing up, RunningTheAsylum as {{Promoted Fanboy}}s, and continuing to think of the setting as something aimed at themselves and their peers instead of the original target age group.

18th Oct '15 1:21:50 AM Anddrix
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-->-- '''SelfDemonstrating/TheRiddler''', "[[Creator/NeilGaiman When Is A Door]]"

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-->-- '''SelfDemonstrating/TheRiddler''', '''The Riddler''', "[[Creator/NeilGaiman When Is A Door]]"
13th Oct '15 4:50:32 PM Galacton
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A ToneShift that seeks to make a work of fiction "more adult". Usually, this is interpreted as "add more {{sex|IsCool}}, [[ClusterFBomb profanity]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence violence]], and controversial content" at its most extreme.

A show will attempt to shift towards [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynicism]], [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty grit]], and [[SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness seriousness]] (unless it's a BlackComedy). In theory, archetypes which we are usually accustomed to acting in a more noble setting will have to act in one where they must think and act grimly in order to make progress, [[{{Deconstruction}} thus forcing re-examination of the tropes involved]] or the ability to use new tropes and expand the setting making for different sorts of characters. In practice however, writers can be too lazy to make use of what most of those words mean, and ending up randomly "spicing up" a work with gratuitous gore, cursing, and sex - often overdoing it in the process.

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A ToneShift that seeks to make a work of fiction "more adult". Usually, this is interpreted as "add more {{sex|IsCool}}, [[ClusterFBomb profanity]], [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence violence]], and controversial content" at its most extreme.

A show will attempt to shift towards [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynicism]], [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty grit]], and
[[SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness seriousness]] (unless it's a BlackComedy). serious]], [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynical]] or [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty gritty]]. In theory, archetypes which we are usually accustomed to acting in a more noble setting will have to act in one where they must think and act grimly in order to make progress, [[{{Deconstruction}} thus forcing re-examination of the tropes involved]] or the ability to use new tropes and expand the setting making for different sorts of characters. characters and stories. In practice however, writers can be too lazy to make use of what most of those words mean, mean and ending up randomly "spicing up" a work with [[FamilyUnfriendlyViolence gratuitous gore, cursing, gore]], [[ClusterFBomb cursing]], and sex {{sex|IsCool}} to make the work "more adult" - often overdoing it in the process.
21st Sep '15 2:32:13 PM Art199
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A show will attempt to shift towards [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynicism]], [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty grit]], and [[SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness seriousness]] (unless it's a BlackComedy). In theory, archetypes which we are usually accustomed to acting in a more noble setting will have to act in one where they must think and act grimly in order to make progress, [[{{Deconstruction}} thus forcing re-examination of the tropes involved]] or the ability to use new tropes and expand the setting making for different sorts of characters. In practice however, writers often are too lazy to make use of what most of those words mean, and ending up randomly "spicing up" a work with gratuitous gore, cursing, and sex - often overdoing it in the process.

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A show will attempt to shift towards [[SlidingScaleOfIdealismVersusCynicism cynicism]], [[SlidingScaleOfShinyVersusGritty grit]], and [[SlidingScaleOfSillinessVersusSeriousness seriousness]] (unless it's a BlackComedy). In theory, archetypes which we are usually accustomed to acting in a more noble setting will have to act in one where they must think and act grimly in order to make progress, [[{{Deconstruction}} thus forcing re-examination of the tropes involved]] or the ability to use new tropes and expand the setting making for different sorts of characters. In practice however, writers often are can be too lazy to make use of what most of those words mean, and ending up randomly "spicing up" a work with gratuitous gore, cursing, and sex - often overdoing it in the process.



In fact this is often the purpose of a Darker And Edgier turn. Just as a LighterAndSofter tone is typically part of an attempt to bring a fictional world to children or to younger children, a "darker" tone is often intended to make a childrens' setting appeal to older children or adults. But unlike its opposite, a Darker And Edgier shift is often intended not to reach a new audience, but rather to keep an existing audience as it grows up. It can also be a result of child fans growing up, RunningTheAsylum as {{Promoted Fanboy}}s, and continuing to think of the setting as something aimed at themselves and their peers instead of the original target age group.

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In fact this is often the purpose of a Darker And Edgier turn. Just as a LighterAndSofter tone is typically part of an attempt to bring a fictional world to children or to younger children, a "darker" tone is often intended to make a childrens' setting appeal to older children or adults. But unlike its opposite, a Darker And Edgier shift is often intended not to reach a new audience, but rather to keep an existing audience as it grows up. It can also be a result of child fans growing up, RunningTheAsylum as {{Promoted Fanboy}}s, and continuing to think of the setting as something aimed at themselves and their peers instead of the original target age group.
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The poorly used, excessive version is often mocked as "Grimdark" (one word), derived from the tagline of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. ("In the grim darkness of the far future, there is ''only war.''") Sometimes justified with the phrase "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids". Usually shows up in DarkFic. If a pre-existing show undergoes a {{Retool}} under the guise of making things Darker And Edgier, expect JumpingTheShark, especially if there was ExecutiveMeddling involved. Blog/TheUnitedFederationOfCharles wrote an essay called, [[http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2015/07/what-is-grimdark.html What is Grimdark?]] which explains some of the history of the subject.

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The poorly used, excessive version is often mocked known as "Grimdark" (one word), derived from the tagline of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. ("In the grim darkness of the far future, there is ''only war.''") Sometimes justified with the phrase "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids". Usually shows up in DarkFic. If a pre-existing show undergoes a {{Retool}} under the guise of making things Darker And Edgier, expect JumpingTheShark, especially if there was ExecutiveMeddling involved. Blog/TheUnitedFederationOfCharles wrote an essay called, [[http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2015/07/what-is-grimdark.html What is Grimdark?]] which explains some of the history of the subject.
2nd Sep '15 3:15:57 PM MarqFJA
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In fact this is often the purpose of a Darker And Edgier turn. Just as a LighterAndSofter tone is typically part of an attempt to bring a fictional world to children or to younger children, a "darker" tone is often intended to make a childrens' setting appeal to older children or adults. But unlike its opposite, a Darker And Edgier shift is often intended not to reach a new audience, but rather to keep an existing audience as it grows up. It can also be a result of child fans growing up, RunningTheAsylum as {{PromotedFanboy}}s, and continuing to think of the setting as something aimed at themselves and their peers instead of the original target age group.

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In fact this is often the purpose of a Darker And Edgier turn. Just as a LighterAndSofter tone is typically part of an attempt to bring a fictional world to children or to younger children, a "darker" tone is often intended to make a childrens' setting appeal to older children or adults. But unlike its opposite, a Darker And Edgier shift is often intended not to reach a new audience, but rather to keep an existing audience as it grows up. It can also be a result of child fans growing up, RunningTheAsylum as {{PromotedFanboy}}s, {{Promoted Fanboy}}s, and continuing to think of the setting as something aimed at themselves and their peers instead of the original target age group.
31st Jul '15 3:22:06 PM CharlesPhipps
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The poorly used, excessive version is often mocked as "Grimdark" (one word), derived from the tagline of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. ("In the grim darkness of the far future, there is ''only war.''") Sometimes justified with the phrase "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids". Usually shows up in DarkFic. If a pre-existing show undergoes a {{Retool}} under the guise of making things Darker And Edgier, expect JumpingTheShark, especially if there was ExecutiveMeddling involved.

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The poorly used, excessive version is often mocked as "Grimdark" (one word), derived from the tagline of ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}''. ("In the grim darkness of the far future, there is ''only war.''") Sometimes justified with the phrase "SillyRabbitIdealismIsForKids". Usually shows up in DarkFic. If a pre-existing show undergoes a {{Retool}} under the guise of making things Darker And Edgier, expect JumpingTheShark, especially if there was ExecutiveMeddling involved. \n Blog/TheUnitedFederationOfCharles wrote an essay called, [[http://unitedfederationofcharles.blogspot.com/2015/07/what-is-grimdark.html What is Grimdark?]] which explains some of the history of the subject.
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