History Main / DarkAgeEurope

17th Aug '17 7:50:00 AM Mdumas43073
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7th Jun '17 1:02:10 PM Dragon101
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The notion of the "Dark Ages" is thus tied in inexorably with the notion of UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance, since it was Renaissance and later [[UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment Enlightenment]] and post-Enlightenment European thinkers who argued that the period after the fall of the Roman Empire was an age of backwardness and superstition where The Roman Catholic Church imposed it's theological narrative on the world and held back science and progress. In short, it can be argued that it is [[TheWarOnStraw a strawman]] set-up by [[KnowNothingKnowItAll misinformed intellectuals]], often from Protestant countries, and whether Protestant themselves or personally secular, were biased against Catholicism specifically and in some instances religion in general.

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The notion of the "Dark Ages" is thus tied in inexorably with the notion of UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance, since it was Renaissance and later [[UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment Enlightenment]] and post-Enlightenment European thinkers who argued that the period after the fall of the Roman Empire was an age of backwardness and superstition where The Roman Catholic Church imposed it's theological narrative on the world and held back science and progress. In short, it can be argued that it is [[TheWarOnStraw a strawman]] set-up by [[KnowNothingKnowItAll misinformed intellectuals]], often from Protestant countries, and whether Protestant themselves or personally secular, were biased against Catholicism specifically and in some instances religion in general. \n It also has somewhat [[UnfortunateImplications racist implications]] as the word "Europe" was usually not included at all, meaning that the achievements of Asian and Middle Eastern civilisations during this time were downplayed if not outright ignored as the only civilisation that mattered was ''Western'' civilisation, and as such the concept of the Dark Ages is often used to justify Western imperialism and white supremacy amongst other unpleasant ideas.
7th Jun '17 12:55:03 PM Dragon101
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A time of anarchy and chaos (roughly 500 - 900 AD), when people were [[TheDungAges disease-ridden and covered with filth]], unless one [[Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail happened to be king]]... at least, if you believe what ''Hollywood'' says about them -- according to real modern historians this is a load of cobblers based purely on the fact that we don't have many documents from that time.

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A time of anarchy and chaos (roughly 500 - 900 1500 AD), when people were [[TheDungAges disease-ridden and covered with filth]], unless one [[Film/MontyPythonAndTheHolyGrail happened to be king]]... at least, if you believe what ''Hollywood'' says about them -- according to real modern historians this is a load of cobblers based purely on the fact that we don't have many documents from that time.
7th Jun '17 12:53:52 PM Dragon101
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The term “Dark Ages” only makes sense if you understand the technical definition of the word “history”, which is: “The study of stuff people wrote about themselves back in the day.” The Dark Ages were dark not because they were DarkerAndEdgier, or because there was a shortage of candles, but because very few of their writings have survived to the present day, leaving History in the dark about what things were like. We cannot tell for certain whether the Dark Ages were darker and edgier than the eras that came before and after. In fact, there is absolutely no evidence at all that there was any kind of 'technological Dark Age', rather the evidence favors continued gradual development. According to several historians the reason we have writings from Pliny and other earlier writers at all is because they were dutifully copied by monks. The reason we tend to look down on this period is because in the Renaissance there was a massive upsurge in interest in ancient Greek, Roman, and Egyptian culture and a great deal of belittlement and scorn for the previous millennium. The fact that we have so few historical documents from the 'Dark Ages' could well be explained by the distaste for this time and the outright systematic destruction of many great Gothic buildings from the Middle Ages (aside from ones that were ''still under construction'', like the Cologne Cathedral). From a historical view point it would be more accurate to pinpoint this age from 661 (when the Europeans lost contact with Syria and Egypt due to Muslim invasions) to about 1100 (when the Crusades recovered lost information from the Classical Era). We know what happened during those times though, and it is for [[UsefulNotes/TheCrusades whatever reason]] a rather touchy subject, so fiction writers do not touch it.

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The term “Dark Ages” only makes sense if you understand the technical definition of the word “history”, which is: “The study of stuff people wrote about themselves back in the day.” The Dark Ages were dark not because they were DarkerAndEdgier, or because there was a shortage of candles, but because very few of their writings have survived to the present day, leaving History in the dark about what things were like. We cannot tell for certain whether the Dark Ages were darker and edgier than the eras that came before and after. In fact, there is absolutely no evidence at all that there was any kind of 'technological Dark Age', rather the evidence favors continued gradual development.

According to several historians the reason we have writings from Pliny and other earlier writers at all is because they were dutifully copied by monks. The reason we tend to look down on this period is because in the Renaissance there was a massive upsurge in interest in ancient Greek, Roman, and Egyptian culture and a great deal of belittlement and scorn for the previous millennium. The fact that we have so few historical documents from the 'Dark Ages' could well be explained by the distaste for this time and the outright systematic destruction of many great Gothic buildings from the Middle Ages (aside from ones that were ''still under construction'', like the Cologne Cathedral). From a historical view point it would be more accurate to pinpoint this age from 661 (when the Europeans lost contact with Syria and Egypt due to Muslim invasions) to about 1100 (when the Crusades recovered lost information from the Classical Era). We know what happened during those times though, and it is for [[UsefulNotes/TheCrusades whatever reason]] a rather touchy subject, so fiction writers do not touch it.
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The notion of the "Dark Ages" is thus tied in inexorably with the notion of UsefulNotes/TheRenaissance, since it was Renaissance and later [[UsefulNotes/TheEnlightenment Enlightenment]] and post-Enlightenment European thinkers who argued that the period after the fall of the Roman Empire was an age of backwardness and superstition where The Roman Catholic Church imposed it's theological narrative on the world and held back science and progress. In short, it can be argued that it is [[TheWarOnStraw a strawman]] set-up by [[KnowNothingKnowItAll misinformed intellectuals]], often from Protestant countries, and whether Protestant themselves or personally secular, were biased against Catholicism specifically and in some instances religion in general.
26th Apr '17 2:05:24 PM JulianLapostat
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-> ''"My fate is to live among varied and confusing storms. But for you perhaps, if as I hope and wish you will live long after me, there will follow a better age. This sleep of forgetfulness will not last for ever. When the darkness has been dispersed, our descendants can come again in the former pure radiance."''
-->-- '''Petrarch'''
5th Apr '17 6:58:12 PM TheMorlock
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* ''ComicStrip/PrinceValiant'' is set in a highly romanticized version of this setting.
27th Jan '17 2:36:16 PM jeez
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* AnachronismStew: It's fairly common to see things that invented in the [[TheHighMiddleAges High]] and [[TheLateMiddleAges Late Middle Ages]] such as castles and plate armor to pop up in fiction during this period. Myth/KingArthur is a particularly bad offender in this.

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* AnachronismStew: It's fairly common to see things that invented in the [[TheHighMiddleAges High]] and [[TheLateMiddleAges Late Middle Ages]] such as castles and plate armor to pop up in fiction during this period. Myth/KingArthur is a particularly bad offender in this.
9th Dec '16 12:55:43 AM DukeofFinland
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* AnachronismStew: It's fairly common to see things that invented in the [[TheHighMiddleAges High]] and [[TheLateMiddleAges Late Middle Ages]] such as castles and plate armor to pop up in fiction during this period. Myth/KingArthur is a particularly bad offender in this.
22nd Oct '16 7:08:56 AM StFan
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* ''Film/{{Beowulf 2007}}''

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14th Oct '16 11:03:38 AM PsychoGecko
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** The Carolignian dynasty of [[ManBehindTheMan Mayors of the Palace]], Kings, and finally Emperors helped another one explode on the mainland towards the end of this period, capping off with [[TheEmperor Charlemagne]] reconstructing the largest empire in continental Europe since Rome.

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** The Carolignian Carolingian dynasty of [[ManBehindTheMan Mayors of the Palace]], Kings, and finally Emperors helped another one explode on the mainland towards the end of this period, capping off with [[TheEmperor Charlemagne]] reconstructing the largest empire in continental Europe since Rome.Rome. This was just the first of three different such renaissance periods in Europe prior to the Italian Renaissance that is generally known by that name.
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