History Main / ContinuityLockout

19th Sep '17 9:46:04 AM nighttrainfm
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** The show could be somewhat guilty of this, especially during the fourth season and onwards. The most egregious example comes during "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You", where Faith re-appears. It's assumed that the viewer knows her history, and despite this being lampshaded by newcomer Riley ("Who's Faith?"), very little explanation is given, and you'd better be watching the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off]] too, 'cos otherwise you won't see the end of this mini-arc, to understand what to make of Angel's appearance a few episodes later.

to:

** The show could be somewhat guilty of this, especially during the fourth season and onwards. The most egregious example comes during "This Year's Girl"/"Who Are You", where Faith re-appears. It's assumed that the viewer knows her history, and despite this being lampshaded by newcomer Riley ("Who's Faith?"), very little explanation is given, and you'd better be watching the [[Series/{{Angel}} spin-off]] too, 'cos otherwise you won't see the end of this mini-arc, to understand mini-arc ''or'' know what to make of Angel's appearance a few episodes later.
13th Sep '17 7:04:34 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Playing a VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationGame, apart from the ''Lego Batman'' games (which are original stories) and the ''Lego Marvel Super Heroes'' game (also original), make very little sense if you haven't seen/read the source material they are based on, [[http://www.mytgn.co.uk/forum/content.php?67-Lego-Harry-Potter-as-Explained-by-Somone-Who-Has-Never-Read-Harry-Potter-Introduction as this blog demonstrates.]]

to:

* Playing a VideoGame/LEGOAdaptationGame, apart from the ''Lego Batman'' games (which are original stories) and the ''Lego Marvel Super Heroes'' game (also original), make very little sense if you haven't seen/read the source material they are based on, [[http://www.mytgn.co.uk/forum/content.php?67-Lego-Harry-Potter-as-Explained-by-Somone-Who-Has-Never-Read-Harry-Potter-Introduction [[http://archive.li/nXSGG as this blog demonstrates.]]
13th Sep '17 10:54:05 AM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Ditto for Jack's brief cameo in the ''Doctor Who'' special [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18TheEndOfTime "The End of Time"]]. You would have had to have seen ''Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth'' to understand why he was drinking away his sorrows on a space freighter rather than fighting aliens in Cardiff. This was an especial issue given how [[DownerEnding seriously]], [[KillEmAll seriously]] non-child-friendly ''Children of Earth'' was.

to:

** Ditto for Jack's brief cameo in the ''Doctor Who'' special [[Recap/DoctorWhoS30E17E18TheEndOfTime "The End of Time"]]. You would have had to have seen ''Series/TorchwoodChildrenOfEarth'' to understand why he was drinking away his sorrows on a space freighter rather than fighting aliens in Cardiff. This was especially an especial issue given how [[DownerEnding seriously]], [[KillEmAll seriously]] non-child-friendly ''Children of Earth'' was.
7th Sep '17 4:58:45 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* The second ''Film/MortalKombat'' film ''Film/MortalKombatAnnihilation'' has a huge number of plotholes unless the viewer knows the mythology of the video games. Sub-Zero and Scorpion both die in the first movie and they're back alive here. What the film doesn't explain is that Sub-Zero is merely a title and the Sub-Zero from the first film was the brother of the one in the second film. Scorpion is infact an undead ninja. Fans of the games on the other hand would most likely know all of this.

to:

* The second ''Film/MortalKombat'' film ''Film/MortalKombatAnnihilation'' has a huge number of plotholes unless the viewer knows the mythology of the video games. Sub-Zero and Scorpion both die in the first movie and they're back alive here. What the film doesn't explain is that Sub-Zero is merely a title title, and the Sub-Zero from the first film was the brother of the one in the second film. Scorpion is infact an undead ninja.is, in fact, undead. Fans of the games on the other hand would most likely know all of this.
7th Sep '17 4:50:29 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Creator/RalphBakshi's take on ''WesternAnimation/TheLordOfTheRings'' seem to assume you are already familiar with at least the bare bones of the story, since they refuse to explain anything beyond "And so it was that..."

to:

* Creator/RalphBakshi's take on ''WesternAnimation/TheLordOfTheRings'' seem seems to assume you are already familiar with at least the bare bones of the story, since they refuse to explain anything beyond "And so it was that..."
7th Sep '17 4:41:08 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsPart1'' relies heavily on a shard of a magical two-way mirror as a visual and plot device - despite the fact that said mirror had never appeared in the movies before. [[spoiler: Sirius had given a gift to Harry as a gift at the beginning of book 5, and Harry forgets about it because he is worried it is something that could get Sirius into worse trouble. Harry finds it again after Sirius's death and unwraps the mirror - one part of a two-way communication device which Harry could have used to verify Sirius was okay, thus potentially saving Sirius's life. Harry breaks the mirror in frustration and finds the shard as he cleans out his trunk two years later at the beginning of Book 7.]]

to:

** ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsPart1'' relies heavily on a shard of a magical two-way mirror as a visual and plot device - despite the fact that said mirror had never appeared in the movies before. [[spoiler: Sirius had given a gift to Harry as a gift at the beginning of book 5, and Harry forgets about it because he is worried it is something that could get Sirius into worse trouble. Harry finds it again after Sirius's death and unwraps the mirror - one part of a two-way communication device which Harry could have used to verify Sirius was okay, thus potentially saving Sirius's life. Harry breaks the mirror in frustration and finds the shard as he cleans out his trunk two years a year and a half later at the beginning of Book 7.]]
7th Sep '17 4:23:01 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Archie Comics was forced to do this to ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' thanks to the ScrewedByTheLawyers that lead to the CosmicRetcon. However, [[WordOfGod Ian Flynn]] has said that while the first 251 issues have happened (and issues 248-251, part of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide'', will happen as it's part of the future) they have no bearing on the comic after #252.

to:

* Archie Comics was forced to do this to ''ComicBook/ArchieComicsSonicTheHedgehog'' thanks to the ScrewedByTheLawyers that lead to the CosmicRetcon. However, [[WordOfGod Ian Flynn]] has said that while the first 251 issues have happened (and issues 248-251, part of ''ComicBook/SonicTheHedgehogMegaManWorldsCollide'', will happen as it's part of the future) they have no bearing on the comic after #252. Just a few years later, the comic went into indefinite hiatus and was ultimately canceled entirely.
7th Sep '17 4:19:45 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* ''The New 52'' had this happen to many of the writers, who have talked in interviews about the lack of consistency on the editorial staff while it started up, with no creator able to learn about other book's upcoming plotlines, yet still having to work interactions between them in each month's CrisisCrossover. It happened in record time, too; ''The New 52'' is a continuity reboot less than 3 years old at this point.

to:

* ''The New 52'' had this happen to many of the writers, who have talked in interviews about the lack of consistency on the editorial staff while it started up, with no creator able to learn about other book's books' upcoming plotlines, yet still having to work interactions between them in each month's CrisisCrossover. It happened in record time, too; ''The New 52'' is a continuity reboot less than 3 years old at this point.too.
7th Sep '17 4:16:42 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


** Also, while it can be helpful, it's not necessary to watch the first ''Manga/DragonBall'' series before jumping into ''Dragon Ball Z''. It's important events are well-covered through flashbacks and verbal recollection. The series wasn't even properly exported to the US until ''DBZ'' became popular, and even now, only the more hardcore ''Dragon Ball'' fans are likely to have watched all of it. ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' however, is incomprehensible without prior knowledge of ''DBZ'''s storyline.
** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' has a minor case of this since the show starts on the assumption that the viewer is aware of the events of the Buu Saga. This has caused much confusion for many newer English fans who grew up watching ''Dragon Ball Kai'' which only went up to the Cell Games and ''Buu Kai'' didn't get an English premiere until ''Super'' was airing at the same time on Toonami. Also, since the show runs on nostalgia, all the {{Continuity Nod}}s and {{Call Back}}s can be hard to follow, especially the Future Trunks Saga that mixed important plot points from both the Cell and Buu Sagas. The show also assumes the viewer read or at least have passing knowledge of ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'', since it doesn't bother to explain where Jaco came from, how he knows the Briefs, when did Bulma get a sister, or who are the Galactic Patrol. Toei attempted to [[{{Averted}} avert]] some of this by retelling the movies written by Toriyama, so people didn't have to go out and buy the [=DVDs=] to catch up with the latest events. You can even skipped the retellings and jumped to Episode 28, the start of the Champa Saga, since Episode 30 is a RecapEpisode of everything that has happened up to the point. And though the Resurrection 'F' Saga draws a lot of parallels and plot points from the Namek/Frieza Saga, it's easy enough to follow since it is a basic revenge story.

to:

** Also, while it can be helpful, it's not necessary to watch the first ''Manga/DragonBall'' series before jumping into ''Dragon Ball Z''. It's Its important events are well-covered through flashbacks and verbal recollection. The series wasn't even properly exported to the US until ''DBZ'' became popular, and even now, only the more hardcore ''Dragon Ball'' fans are likely to have watched all of it. ''Anime/DragonBallGT'' however, is incomprehensible without prior knowledge of ''DBZ'''s storyline.
** ''Anime/DragonBallSuper'' has a minor case of this since the show starts on the assumption that the viewer is aware of the events of the Buu Saga. This has caused much confusion for many newer English fans who grew up watching ''Dragon Ball Z Kai'' which only went up to the Cell Games and ''Buu Kai'' didn't get an English premiere until ''Super'' was airing at the same time on Toonami. Also, since the show runs on nostalgia, all the {{Continuity Nod}}s and {{Call Back}}s can be hard to follow, especially the Future Trunks Saga that mixed important plot points from both the Cell and Buu Sagas. The show also assumes the viewer read or at least have passing knowledge of ''Manga/JacoTheGalacticPatrolman'', since it doesn't bother to explain where Jaco came from, how he knows the Briefs, when did Bulma get a sister, or who are the Galactic Patrol. Toei attempted to [[{{Averted}} avert]] some of this by retelling the movies written by Toriyama, so people didn't have to go out and buy the [=DVDs=] to catch up with the latest events. You can even skipped the retellings and jumped to Episode 28, the start of the Champa Saga, since Episode 30 is a RecapEpisode of everything that has happened up to the point. And though the Resurrection 'F' Saga draws a lot of parallels and plot points from the Namek/Frieza Saga, it's easy enough to follow since it is a basic revenge story.
7th Sep '17 12:25:42 PM DPsycho
Is there an issue? Send a Message


* Anybody introduced to the ''[[Franchise/DotHack .hack]]'' series as an anime can potentially run into a giant wall of Lock-Out. The two main anime series, ''Sign'' and ''Roots'', are actually ''prequels'' to the main stories of their respective MythArc which are told in two sets of [=PS2=] games, and thus (While the former does resolve it's main story) don't resolve many of the major story-arc singificant plot-points of the respective Era's. Made worse with the second Anime "Legend of the twilight bracelet" being the non-canon version of it's respective Manga, and Roots having been rendered Non-canon as most of it's depicted story (though not it's myth-arc events) events suffering from CanonDiscontinuity to the point it's recommended to just skip those two entries entirely. The effect is even worse if you read the novels or manga, which are generally side stories (or for the novelizations/adaptations of the video games AlternateContinuity), with huge references to the main plotlines that aren't well-explained at in that form. The games leave some things unexplained (the system restart during the climax of ''Quarantine'' comes off as an enormous DeusExMachina... unless you watch ''Liminality'', which explains why that happened), but left ambiguous enough that in that sect of the story such doens't seem necessary. And that's not even getting into .Hack//Link which has it's story tied to revisiting the stories of the past parts of the franchise, only for them to get many if not all of the details wrong. While The Franchise DOES to an extent explain enough events in Brief that are expanded more on in other material to not leaves a newer inductee completely lost or make such Impenetrable (you can pretty much just pick up each of the two PS2 game series stories and still get a complete story out of it), you may not fully appreciate this series unless you're prepared to read/watch/play ''all'' of it.

to:

* Anybody introduced to the ''[[Franchise/DotHack .hack]]'' series as an anime can potentially run into a giant wall of Lock-Out. The two main anime series, ''Sign'' and ''Roots'', are actually ''prequels'' to the main stories of their respective MythArc which are told in two sets of [=PS2=] games, and thus (While the former does resolve it's main story) don't resolve many of the major story-arc singificant plot-points of the respective Era's. Eras. Made worse with the second Anime "Legend of the twilight bracelet" being the non-canon version of it's its respective Manga, and Roots having been rendered Non-canon as most of it's its depicted story (though not it's myth-arc events) its myth-arc) events suffering from CanonDiscontinuity to the point it's recommended to just skip those two entries entirely. The effect is even worse if you read the novels or manga, which are generally side stories (or for the novelizations/adaptations of the video games AlternateContinuity), with huge references to the main plotlines that aren't well-explained at in that form. The games leave some things unexplained (the system restart during the climax of ''Quarantine'' comes off as an enormous DeusExMachina... unless you watch ''Liminality'', which explains why that happened), but left ambiguous enough that in that sect section of the story such doens't seem necessary. And that's not even getting into .Hack//Link which has it's its story tied to revisiting the stories of the past parts of the franchise, only for them to get many if not all of the details wrong. While The Franchise DOES to an extent explain enough events in Brief brief that are expanded more on in other material to not leaves leave a newer inductee completely lost or make such Impenetrable impenetrable (you can pretty much just pick up each of the two PS2 game series stories and still get a complete story out of it), you may not fully appreciate this series unless you're prepared to read/watch/play ''all'' of it.
This list shows the last 10 events of 411. Show all.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/article_history.php?article=Main.ContinuityLockout