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23rd Jan '16 4:51:30 PM nombretomado
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' series creators, Doc Hammer and Jackson Publick, actually discuss this trope when they hosted the season four finale ''Operation PROM'' on AdultSwim. They appeared in a series of videos leading into and coming back from commercial breaks during the initial airing of the episode, and in one of them, discussed how self-referential this episode in particular was. The series in general, at least after the first season, can have this effect as well, as the episodes are packed with references to things that happened previously, not to mention that it gets weirder and ''weirder'' with each passing season.
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheVentureBrothers'' series creators, Doc Hammer and Jackson Publick, actually discuss this trope when they hosted the season four finale ''Operation PROM'' on AdultSwim.Creator/AdultSwim. They appeared in a series of videos leading into and coming back from commercial breaks during the initial airing of the episode, and in one of them, discussed how self-referential this episode in particular was. The series in general, at least after the first season, can have this effect as well, as the episodes are packed with references to things that happened previously, not to mention that it gets weirder and ''weirder'' with each passing season.
10th Jan '16 5:54:33 AM IamTheCaligula
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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has this in spades, clubs, hearts ''and'' diamonds. It begins in the main games themselves; each game in the ''Touhou'' series has ''at least'' four endings; two bad endings and two good endings, one bad and one good for each playable character. If any other characters aside from the main character duo are playable, they, too, recieve one bad ending and one good ending each. Simple enough so far, right? Right... but oh so very wrong. See, the condition for getting one of the good endings is to clear the game without using a single continue. Did I mention that ''Touhou'' are NintendoHard BulletHell kinda games? There aren't all too many gamers with the sheer tenacity required to get all good endings. Well, no biggie, you can just check out the endings online, right? You wish. ZUN, the creator of the series, is amazingly encouraging when it comes to fan-creations, approves of online distribution of his games as [[NoExportForYou that's the only way for fans outside of Japan]] to enjoy them, and he's supportive of people uploading their playthroughs to the internet, too... BUT that last one comes with a compromise: People may not upload the endings of the games. If someone wants to see the endings, they'll have to earn the right to see them. And since ZUN is so accomidating on all other issues, most of his fans are accomidating enough to not upload the endings, so you're actually hard pressed to find them all online. And just to lock people even more out of the series' continuty there's the question "So what endings are canon?" The answer? "All of them are." The good endings and the bad endings of all the playable characters are all canon. Even the mutually exclusive endings. And unlike ''[=BlazBlue=]'', there are no alternate timelines at work in ''Touhou''; everything is canon within one and the same time-space continuity... Well, at least ''[=BlazBlue=]'' sorted its stuff out in supplemantary materials; maybe, you think, ''Touhou'' does the same? Hahaha-no. ''Touhou'' has numerous official mangas, but most of them are simple, character-centric, stand-alone SliceOfLife stories that, at best, provide some bare-boned WorldBuilding. ''Manga/SilentSinnerInBlue'', the only manga with a greater plot, which's entire point seems to be for [[ManipulativeBitch Yukari Yakumo]] to [[ScrewYouElves mess with]] [[SpaceElves the Lunarians]] anyway, comes across as nothing short of a ShaggyDogStory unless one also reads ''Manga/CageInLunaticRunagate''. And as for ''Touhou'''s {{Universe Compendium}}s, they are in-universe works authored and co-authored by {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, {{Unreliable Expositor}}s, {{Pretend Prejudice}}d {{Fantastic Racist}}s and more than one ShamelessSelfPromoter, most of them with [[KnowNothingKnowItAll little to no idea regarding what's actually going on]], provided ''they even care'' what's actually going on, and those who ''do'' know and care refuse to tell the whole truth anyway. The pretty much only question the supplementary materials answer is how all the endings of all the games can be canonical: They're all re-tellings of the events of the games from the POV of different characters, each one attempting to spin the story to make themselves look good and each one making it even harder to comprehensively puzzle together the actual events that have transpired... Comments by ZUN suggest that [[TrollingCreator he feels a certain level of inaccessibility]] [[GenreSavvy is core to the]] [[GenreSavvy ''Touhou'']] [[GenreSavvy experience]], regardless of medium, [[TropesAreNotBad and, sure enough]]; all of this Continuity Lock-Out and open-to-interpretation information has done its part in making ''Touhou'' the most prolific {{Doujin}} shooter series in the world with one of the most flourishing {{Fanon}}s you can find.
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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has this in spades, clubs, hearts ''and'' diamonds. It begins in the main games themselves; each game in the ''Touhou'' series has ''at least'' four endings; two bad endings and two good endings, one bad and one good for each playable character. If any other characters aside from the main character duo are playable, they, too, recieve one bad ending and one good ending each. Simple enough so far, right? Right... but oh so very wrong. See, the condition for getting one of the good endings is to clear the game without using a single continue. Did I mention that ''Touhou'' are NintendoHard BulletHell kinda games? There aren't all too many gamers with the sheer tenacity required to get all good endings. Well, no biggie, you can just check out the endings online, right? You wish. ZUN, the creator of the series, is amazingly encouraging when it comes to fan-creations, approves of online distribution of his games as [[NoExportForYou that's the only way for fans outside of Japan]] to enjoy them, and he's supportive of people uploading their playthroughs to the internet, too... BUT that last one comes with a compromise: People may not upload the endings of the games. If someone wants to see the endings, they'll have to earn the right to see them. And since ZUN is so accomidating on all other issues, most of his fans are accomidating enough to not upload the endings, so you're actually hard pressed to find them all online. And just to lock people even more out of the series' continuty there's the question "So what endings are canon?" The answer? "All of them are." The good endings and the bad endings of all the playable characters are all canon. Even [[LogicBomb Including the mutually exclusive endings. ones.]] And unlike ''[=BlazBlue=]'', there are no alternate timelines at work in ''Touhou''; everything is canon within one and the same time-space continuity... Well, at least ''[=BlazBlue=]'' sorted its stuff out in supplemantary materials; maybe, you think, ''Touhou'' does the same? Hahaha-no. ''Touhou'' has numerous official mangas, but most of them are simple, character-centric, stand-alone SliceOfLife stories that, at best, provide some bare-boned WorldBuilding. ''Manga/SilentSinnerInBlue'', the only manga with a greater plot, which's entire point seems to be for [[ManipulativeBitch Yukari Yakumo]] to [[ScrewYouElves mess with]] [[SpaceElves the Lunarians]] anyway, comes across as nothing short of a ShaggyDogStory unless one also reads ''Manga/CageInLunaticRunagate''. And as for ''Touhou'''s {{Universe Compendium}}s, they are in-universe works authored and co-authored by {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, {{Unreliable Expositor}}s, {{Pretend Prejudice}}d {{Fantastic Racist}}s and more than one ShamelessSelfPromoter, most of them with [[KnowNothingKnowItAll little to no idea regarding what's actually going on]], provided ''they even care'' what's actually going on, and those who ''do'' know and care [[TheMasquerade refuse to tell the whole truth anyway.anyway]]. The pretty much only question the supplementary materials answer is how all the endings of all the games can be canonical: They're all re-tellings of the events of the games from the POV of different characters, each one attempting to spin the story to make themselves look good and each one making it even harder to comprehensively puzzle together the actual events that have transpired... Comments by ZUN suggest that [[TrollingCreator he feels a certain level of inaccessibility]] [[GenreSavvy is core to the]] [[GenreSavvy ''Touhou'']] ''[[GenreSavvy Touhou]]'' [[GenreSavvy experience]], regardless of medium, [[TropesAreNotBad and, sure enough]]; all of this Continuity Lock-Out and open-to-interpretation information has done its part in making ''Touhou'' the most prolific {{Doujin}} shooter series in the world with one of the most flourishing {{Fanon}}s you can find.
10th Jan '16 5:46:04 AM IamTheCaligula
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* ''VideoGame/{{Touhou}}'' has this in spades, clubs, hearts ''and'' diamonds. It begins in the main games themselves; each game in the ''Touhou'' series has ''at least'' four endings; two bad endings and two good endings, one bad and one good for each playable character. If any other characters aside from the main character duo are playable, they, too, recieve one bad ending and one good ending each. Simple enough so far, right? Right... but oh so very wrong. See, the condition for getting one of the good endings is to clear the game without using a single continue. Did I mention that ''Touhou'' are NintendoHard BulletHell kinda games? There aren't all too many gamers with the sheer tenacity required to get all good endings. Well, no biggie, you can just check out the endings online, right? You wish. ZUN, the creator of the series, is amazingly encouraging when it comes to fan-creations, approves of online distribution of his games as [[NoExportForYou that's the only way for fans outside of Japan]] to enjoy them, and he's supportive of people uploading their playthroughs to the internet, too... BUT that last one comes with a compromise: People may not upload the endings of the games. If someone wants to see the endings, they'll have to earn the right to see them. And since ZUN is so accomidating on all other issues, most of his fans are accomidating enough to not upload the endings, so you're actually hard pressed to find them all online. And just to lock people even more out of the series' continuty there's the question "So what endings are canon?" The answer? "All of them are." The good endings and the bad endings of all the playable characters are all canon. Even the mutually exclusive endings. And unlike ''[=BlazBlue=]'', there are no alternate timelines at work in ''Touhou''; everything is canon within one and the same time-space continuity... Well, at least ''[=BlazBlue=]'' sorted its stuff out in supplemantary materials; maybe, you think, ''Touhou'' does the same? Hahaha-no. ''Touhou'' has numerous official mangas, but most of them are simple, character-centric, stand-alone SliceOfLife stories that, at best, provide some bare-boned WorldBuilding. ''Manga/SilentSinnerInBlue'', the only manga with a greater plot, which's entire point seems to be for [[ManipulativeBitch Yukari Yakumo]] to [[ScrewYouElves mess with]] [[SpaceElves the Lunarians]] anyway, comes across as nothing short of a ShaggyDogStory unless one also reads ''Manga/CageInLunaticRunagate''. And as for ''Touhou'''s {{Universe Compendium}}s, they are in-universe works authored and co-authored by {{Unreliable Narrator}}s, {{Unreliable Expositor}}s, {{Pretend Prejudice}}d {{Fantastic Racist}}s and more than one ShamelessSelfPromoter, most of them with [[KnowNothingKnowItAll little to no idea regarding what's actually going on]], provided ''they even care'' what's actually going on, and those who ''do'' know and care refuse to tell the whole truth anyway. The pretty much only question the supplementary materials answer is how all the endings of all the games can be canonical: They're all re-tellings of the events of the games from the POV of different characters, each one attempting to spin the story to make themselves look good and each one making it even harder to comprehensively puzzle together the actual events that have transpired... Comments by ZUN suggest that [[TrollingCreator he feels a certain level of inaccessibility]] [[GenreSavvy is core to the]] [[GenreSavvy ''Touhou'']] [[GenreSavvy experience]], regardless of medium, [[TropesAreNotBad and, sure enough]]; all of this Continuity Lock-Out and open-to-interpretation information has done its part in making ''Touhou'' the most prolific {{Doujin}} shooter series in the world with one of the most flourishing {{Fanon}}s you can find.
7th Jan '16 9:47:28 PM bowserbros
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* This was so prevalent with shonen anime & manga during the genre's boom in the late 90's and TheNoughties that it's viewed as a major factor in ending the craze. Because so many shonen series were LongRunners that heavily relied on continuity, trying to get into one of them midway through without any prior knowledge of the series's lore would be quite the hassle.
6th Jan '16 9:19:43 PM DynamiteXI
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* The ''Franchise/BackToTheFuture'' sequels get into this. ** If you haven't seen the first movie, ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartII'' is easy enough to get into in the first couple of acts (barring the occasional CallBack to events in the first movie), but the 1955 events in the third act are entirely dependent on the viewer's knowledge of events in the first movie. ** ''Film/BackToTheFuturePartIII'' gets snippets of exposition in the first few minutes in the forms of Marty screaming and Doc's letter, but it's a LOT tougher to get into if you aren't familiar with the first two movies. ''Especially'' the first movie's climax, which is reworked into Part III's intro.
30th Dec '15 11:00:48 AM Doug86
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* L. Frank Baum's LandOfOz books could get like this. Not only did he assume a lot of memory of Ozian geography and politics, any time he liked a character, he'd just keep them hanging around the Emerald City for later use. In the last few books in the series, there were entire chapters devoted to choosing which of the series' LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters would be going on the novel's adventure. There was Button-Bright, Ojo, Cap'n Bill, Uncle Henry, Tik-Tok, The Patchwork Girl, the Frogman, The Woggle-Bug, the Hungry Tiger... The Lion, Scarecrow, and Tin Man would almost always be there, and the Wizard usually put in an appearance, but anyone who knew the movie and wanted to give the books a shot could easily become very lost.
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* L. Frank Baum's LandOfOz Literature/LandOfOz books could get like this. Not only did he assume a lot of memory of Ozian geography and politics, any time he liked a character, he'd just keep them hanging around the Emerald City for later use. In the last few books in the series, there were entire chapters devoted to choosing which of the series' LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters would be going on the novel's adventure. There was Button-Bright, Ojo, Cap'n Bill, Uncle Henry, Tik-Tok, The Patchwork Girl, the Frogman, The Woggle-Bug, the Hungry Tiger... The Lion, Scarecrow, and Tin Man would almost always be there, and the Wizard usually put in an appearance, but anyone who knew the movie and wanted to give the books a shot could easily become very lost.
28th Dec '15 1:43:08 PM SolidSonicTH
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** As of 2014, resulting from Disney's acquisition of Lucasfilm and the edict therein, the lock-out has been broken due to moving nearly every piece of media ever released for ''Star Wars'' into an AlternateContinuity. The Expanded Universe is being rebuilt under Disney's lead with new works and information that will align with their sequel trilogy and associated works.
23rd Dec '15 1:35:06 PM erforce
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' might be the quintessential example of this. Even on its own terms, the original 1977 film (''A New Hope'') has a fairly convoluted, confusing plot until Obi-Wan Kenobi shows up about a half-hour or so into the picture [[MrExposition to explain everything you need to know]], and even then there is much that [[TropesAreNotBad (necessarily)]] remains inaccessible to the viewer. The iconic character of Boba Fett, who is "officially" introduced in ''The Empire Strikes Back'' (1980) but had actually appeared earlier in the (now almost impossible-to-find) ''Star Wars Holiday Special'', is never even named on screen (except for a brief scene in ''Return of the Jedi'', and that is in the middle of a firefight where it's all but impossible to hear anything); therefore, when we meet that character's father, Jango Fett, in ''Attack of the Clones'' (2002), we have no way of knowing, outside of the immediate context, why this character and his son are so important, and must rely on the franchise's [[AllThereInTheManual large amount of supplementary material]]. In fact, you don't even learn the name of "The Emperor", the entire series' primary antagonist, until ''The Phantom Menace'' (1999), with the result that many first-time viewers had no inkling - until it was revealed at the climax - that [[ItWasHisSled "Senator Palpatine" is also Darth Sidious, let alone that he would become the head of the Galactic Empire]]. * The more recent ''Film/HarryPotter'' films have had this problem in an unusual way. Each individual movie became more or less incomprehensible without reading the books (or indeed, seeing the previous films). ** Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs. The movie never says who they are. Then, Harry calls Pettigrew "Wormtail" in the ''Goblet of Fire'' movie without explanation. And Sirius is called "Padfoot" in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]''. ** ''Deathly Hallows Part One'' relies heavily on a shard of a magical two-way mirror as a visual and plot device - despite the fact that said mirror had never appeared in the movies before. [[spoiler: Sirius had given a gift to Harry as a gift at the beginning of book 5, and Harry forgets about it because he is worried it is something that could get Sirius into worse trouble. Harry finds it again after Sirius's death and unwraps the mirror - one part of a two-way communication device which Harry could have used to verify Sirius was okay, thus potentially saving Sirius's life. Harry breaks the mirror in frustration and finds the shard as he cleans out his trunk two years later at the beginning of Book 7.]]
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* ''Franchise/StarWars'' might be the quintessential example of this. Even on its own terms, the original 1977 film (''A New Hope'') (''Film/ANewHope'') has a fairly convoluted, confusing plot until Obi-Wan Kenobi shows up about a half-hour or so into the picture [[MrExposition to explain everything you need to know]], and even then there is much that [[TropesAreNotBad (necessarily)]] remains inaccessible to the viewer. The iconic character of Boba Fett, who is "officially" introduced in ''The Empire Strikes Back'' ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'' (1980) but had actually appeared earlier in the (now almost impossible-to-find) ''Star Wars Holiday Special'', ''Film/TheStarWarsHolidaySpecial'', is never even named on screen (except for a brief scene in ''Return of the Jedi'', ''Film/ReturnOfTheJedi'', and that is in the middle of a firefight where it's all but impossible to hear anything); therefore, when we meet that character's father, Jango Fett, in ''Attack of the Clones'' ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'' (2002), we have no way of knowing, outside of the immediate context, why this character and his son are so important, and must rely on the franchise's [[AllThereInTheManual large amount of supplementary material]]. In fact, you don't even learn the name of "The Emperor", the entire series' primary antagonist, until ''The Phantom Menace'' ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'' (1999), with the result that many first-time viewers had no inkling - until it was revealed at the climax - that [[ItWasHisSled "Senator Palpatine" is also Darth Sidious, let alone that he would become the head of the Galactic Empire]]. * The more recent ''Film/HarryPotter'' films have had this problem in an unusual way. Each individual movie became more or less incomprehensible without reading the books (or indeed, seeing the previous films). ** Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs. The movie never says who they are. Then, Harry calls Pettigrew "Wormtail" in the ''Goblet ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndTheGobletOfFire Goblet of Fire'' Fire]]'' movie without explanation. And Sirius is called "Padfoot" in ''[[Literature/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix ''[[Film/HarryPotterAndTheOrderOfThePhoenix Order of the Phoenix]]''. ** ''Deathly Hallows Part One'' ''Film/HarryPotterAndTheDeathlyHallowsPart1'' relies heavily on a shard of a magical two-way mirror as a visual and plot device - despite the fact that said mirror had never appeared in the movies before. [[spoiler: Sirius had given a gift to Harry as a gift at the beginning of book 5, and Harry forgets about it because he is worried it is something that could get Sirius into worse trouble. Harry finds it again after Sirius's death and unwraps the mirror - one part of a two-way communication device which Harry could have used to verify Sirius was okay, thus potentially saving Sirius's life. Harry breaks the mirror in frustration and finds the shard as he cleans out his trunk two years later at the beginning of Book 7.]]

** Insurrection averted this trope. According to Michael Piller's unreleased book, ''Fade In: The Making of Star Trek Insurrection'', at least one plan was to have Picard and his crew look for a Federation traitor (a la Heart of Darkness) against the backdrop of the Dominion War (during the point when the Federation was losing ground against the Jem'Hadar). This plan was scrapped due to concerns that theatregoers wouldn't understand the references (which didn't stop them from referencing the aforementioned Deep Space Nine and "Best of Both Worlds").
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** Insurrection ''Film/StarTrekInsurrection'' averted this trope. According to Michael Piller's unreleased book, ''Fade In: The Making of Star Trek Insurrection'', at least one plan was to have Picard and his crew look for a Federation traitor (a la Heart of Darkness) against the backdrop of the Dominion War (during the point when the Federation was losing ground against the Jem'Hadar). This plan was scrapped due to concerns that theatregoers wouldn't understand the references (which didn't stop them from referencing the aforementioned Deep Space Nine and "Best of Both Worlds").

** ''The Wrath of Khan'' can be a little confusing for viewers not familiar with the episode "Space Seed," which introduced Khan and established his rivalry with Kirk. The movie does give a basic overview of their history, but it's in tiny chunks scattered throughout several different scenes, so a first-time viewer would be excused for not totally grasping why they hate each other.
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** ''The Wrath of Khan'' ''Film/StarTrekIITheWrathOfKhan'' can be a little confusing for viewers not familiar with the episode "Space Seed," which introduced Khan and established his rivalry with Kirk. The movie does give a basic overview of their history, but it's in tiny chunks scattered throughout several different scenes, so a first-time viewer would be excused for not totally grasping why they hate each other.

* This is definitely one of the reasons why the second and third chapters of ''Film/TheMatrix Trilogy'' are so polarizing. It is [[ItMakesSenseInContext better]] to watch [[BetterOnDVD all three movies on consecutive nights]] rather than four years between the first and second movie.
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* This is definitely one of the reasons why the second and third chapters of ''Film/TheMatrix ''Franchise/TheMatrix Trilogy'' are so polarizing. It is [[ItMakesSenseInContext better]] to watch [[BetterOnDVD all three movies on consecutive nights]] rather than four years between the first and second movie.
23rd Dec '15 1:03:10 PM CheeseDogX
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** JMS was one of the first people to realize the Internet's potential in directly communicating with fans. Among other things, he would sometimes post messages stating "If you've got friends who you've been trying to talk into watching the show, the block of episodes coming up should help catch them up on events."
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