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20th Jun '16 2:49:32 PM Prime32
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* [[BigBAD The Claw]] in ''Anime/GunXSword abuses this, constantly taking about "dreams" and "world peace" to refer to his plan, when it is more or less an [[spoiler: AssimilationPlot]]. It got him quite a devoted fellowship.

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* [[BigBAD The Claw]] in ''Anime/GunXSword ''Anime/GunXSword'' abuses this, constantly taking about "dreams" and "world peace" to refer to his plan, when it is more or less an [[spoiler: AssimilationPlot]]. It got him quite a devoted fellowship.fellowship.
* In ''Anime/ConcreteRevolutioChoujinGensou'' this is a recurring theme with [[AntiVillain Sword Phantom Claude]], who has come to believe that while [[SuperHero superhumans]] may claim to fight for peace, justice and freedom for all mankind, it is impossible to be an IdealHero who truly fights for all three.
-->'''[[spoiler:Jiro:]]''' "You admired superhumans too! Those who do the right thing, not for themselves or their country, but for a single..." \\
'''Claude:''' "A single what? Justice? Peace? Freedom? Defending my freedom disturbs the peace! Pursuing your justice violates my freedom! There is no single answer!"
19th Apr '16 9:11:21 AM nighttrainfm
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** [[MessianicArchetype The Avatar]] must bring "balance" to the world, but every Avatar (and their friends/allies) have their own interpretations of what balance is, and inevitably, some people disagree and try to resist them. Avatar Wan thought it meant keeping humans and spirits separate for their own safety, Kuruk interpreted balance as letting people solve their own problems and not interfering unless absolutely necessary, Kyoshi believed in ruthlessly enforcing peace, Roku wanted total segregation between the nations, Aang eventually decided that balance meant accepting the changing world and encouraging unity and understanding between the nations, and [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra Korra]] reopened the spirit portals and is trying to rebuild the Air Nomads to heal the world after the War.

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** [[MessianicArchetype The Avatar]] must bring "balance" to the world, but every Avatar (and their friends/allies) have their own interpretations of what balance is, and inevitably, some people disagree and try to resist them. Avatar Wan thought it meant keeping humans and spirits separate for their own safety, Kuruk interpreted balance as letting people solve their own problems and not interfering unless absolutely necessary, Kyoshi believed in ruthlessly enforcing peace, Roku wanted total segregation between the nations, four nations to maintain their own distinct identities, Aang eventually decided that balance meant accepting the changing world and encouraging unity and understanding between the nations, and [[WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra Korra]] reopened the spirit portals and is trying to rebuild the Air Nomads to heal the world after the War.
18th Mar '16 11:09:06 PM Twentington
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* ''Comicbook/AngelaMarvelComics'''s main character Angela, and by extension all Angels of Heven (this is the in comic spelling), says her culture centres around materialism and EquivalentExchange. Justice? Honor? Family? All those big and important words they translate to '''Nothing''' or to put it more flowery:

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* ''Comicbook/AngelaMarvelComics'''s ''Comicbook/AngelaMarvelComics'': its main character Angela, and by extension all Angels of Heven (this is the in comic spelling), says her culture centres around materialism and EquivalentExchange. Justice? Honor? Family? All those big and important words they translate to '''Nothing''' or to put it more flowery:
3rd Mar '16 1:32:15 AM NNNnobody
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* [[BigBAD The Claw]] in ''Anime/GunXSword abuses this, constantly taking about "dreams" and "world peace" to refer to his plan, when it is more or less an [[spoiler: AssimilationPlot]]. It got him quite a devoted fellowship.
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* [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Back in the day]] Franchise/{{Superman}} spent a lot of time demolishing substandard ghetto housing, exposing political corruption and standing up for the rights of immigrants and the little guy. He was a New Deal superhero! But politics is bad for sales - even corrupt politicians buy comic books, after all. So Superman started to fight for the magnificent generality of "truth, justice and the American way" (the last part added in the 40s for the radio program), and as long as he limits himself to hitting supervillains in the jaw, it doesn't matter. No two people can agree on what Superman "really stands for" anymore, but they all agree it's ''very heroic''. "The American way" part is also often dropped in modern stories, although it's usually [[CaptainObvious only Americans who complain about this.]]
* ComicBook/SpiderMan fights crime for the grand glorious cause of Responsibility: he has the power to do it, so he has to do it. (It ''does'' spin out of his {{origin story}}, but still.) This may mean that he was doomed to become a superhero no matter what: he was introduced as a young genius almost on par with the other super scientists of the time like [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]], [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Reed Richards]] and [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]]. Thus, he had great power, and thus, great responsibility.
* Inverted by the morally gray characters of Creator/AlanMoore. V (''ComicBook/VForVendetta'') fights for "freedom" not in the form of a vague generality, but in the form of smashing the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Norsefire regime]] and creating a state of anarchy that may or may not be an improvement. In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', Rorschach and [[spoiler:Ozymandias]], in very different ways and results, devote their entire lives to their ideals, at the cost of distancing themselves from the morality (and, in Rorschach's case, hygiene standards) of everyday folk. [[spoiler:Ozymandias firmly believes that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans and that a few million deaths to prevent the ''rest'' of the global population from dying is an acceptable sacrifice, while Rorschach believes that ''not even Utopia'' justifies the means, and that global extinction under the truth is better than peace through a lie.]]
* Periodically, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica will become disillusioned when he realizes that even he doesn't really know what representing "America" really means. [[WriterOnBoard Usually when a Republican's in office.]]

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* ''Franchise/{{Superman}}'': [[EarlyInstallmentWeirdness Back in the day]] Franchise/{{Superman}} the title character spent a lot of time demolishing substandard ghetto housing, exposing political corruption and standing up for the rights of immigrants and the little guy. He was a New Deal superhero! But politics is bad for sales - even corrupt politicians buy comic books, after all. So Superman started to fight for the magnificent generality of "truth, justice and the American way" (the last part added in the 40s for the radio program), and as long as he limits himself to hitting supervillains in the jaw, it doesn't matter. No two people can agree on what Superman "really stands for" anymore, but they all agree it's ''very heroic''. "The American way" part is also often dropped in modern stories, although it's usually [[CaptainObvious only Americans who complain about this.]]
* ComicBook/SpiderMan ''ComicBook/SpiderMan'': Peter Parker fights crime for the grand glorious cause of Responsibility: he has the power to do it, so he has to do it. (It ''does'' spin out of his {{origin story}}, but still.) This may mean that he was doomed to become a superhero no matter what: he was introduced as a young genius almost on par with the other super scientists of the time like [[ComicBook/AntMan Hank Pym]], [[ComicBook/FantasticFour Pym from ''ComicBook/AntMan'', Reed Richards]] Richards from ''ComicBook/FantasticFour'' and [[ComicBook/IronMan Tony Stark]].Stark from ''ComicBook/IronMan''. Thus, he had great power, and thus, great responsibility.
* Inverted by the morally gray characters of Creator/AlanMoore.
** ''ComicBook/VForVendetta'':
V (''ComicBook/VForVendetta'') fights for "freedom" not in the form of a vague generality, but in the form of smashing the [[ANaziByAnyOtherName Norsefire regime]] and creating a state of anarchy that may or may not be an improvement. improvement.
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In ''ComicBook/{{Watchmen}}'', Rorschach and [[spoiler:Ozymandias]], in very different ways and results, devote their entire lives to their ideals, at the cost of distancing themselves from the morality (and, in Rorschach's case, hygiene standards) of everyday folk. [[spoiler:Ozymandias firmly believes that UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans and that a few million deaths to prevent the ''rest'' of the global population from dying is an acceptable sacrifice, while Rorschach believes that ''not even Utopia'' justifies the means, and that global extinction under the truth is better than peace through a lie.]]
* Periodically, ComicBook/CaptainAmerica will become disillusioned when he realizes that even he doesn't really know what representing "America" really means. [[WriterOnBoard Usually when a Republican's in office.]]



** In the mini-series "ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice", suddenly, every single major character becomes this. They spend the entire series demanding "justice" without ever bothering to define what it means or how it's different from what the other heroes are already doing. Their actions are also closer to that of [[{{Revenge}} another concept]] altogether.
* Marvel Comics' Comicbook/{{Angela|MarvelComics}}, and by extension all Angels of Heven (this is the in comic spelling), believe in this trope to a scary extent, half their culture centres around [[DefiedTrope defying]] it (the other half around materialism and EquivalentExchange). Justice? Honor? Family? All those big and important words they translate to '''Nothing''' or to put it more flowery:

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** In the mini-series "ComicBook/JusticeLeagueCryForJustice", suddenly, every single major character becomes this. They spend spends the entire series demanding "justice" without ever bothering to define what it means or how it's different from what the other heroes are already doing. Their actions are also closer to that of [[{{Revenge}} another concept]] altogether.
* Marvel Comics' Comicbook/{{Angela|MarvelComics}}, ''Comicbook/AngelaMarvelComics'''s main character Angela, and by extension all Angels of Heven (this is the in comic spelling), believe in this trope to a scary extent, half their says her culture centres around [[DefiedTrope defying]] it (the other half around materialism and EquivalentExchange).EquivalentExchange. Justice? Honor? Family? All those big and important words they translate to '''Nothing''' or to put it more flowery:



* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' tried to hang a lot important plot points off it too. Anakin is introduced as a slave: we don't see his performing any slave duties (working in a shop could just be his job for how he's treated), or the effects of slavery on him, or any motivations as a result of his experience, but it earns the tyke sympathy points. Obi-Wan declares his loyalty not to any political party or leader, but to 'democracy'. The Sith are dangerous moral relativists, except when they're rigid moral absolutists, but in the end they only seem to be whatever term the story can hang off them to make then [[CardCarryingVillain eeeevil]].

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* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' tried uses broad concepts to hang a lot important plot points off it too. help inform the audience who should seem sympathetic or disagreeable.
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Anakin is introduced as a slave: we don't see his performing any slave duties (working in a shop could just be his job for how he's treated), or the effects of slavery on him, or any motivations as a result of his experience, but it earns the tyke sympathy points. points.
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Obi-Wan declares his loyalty not to any political party or leader, but to 'democracy'. 'democracy'.
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The Sith are dangerous moral relativists, except when they're rigid moral absolutists, but in the end they only seem to be whatever term the story can hang off them to make then [[CardCarryingVillain eeeevil]].



* {{Franchise/Batman}} usually fights for an ill defined "Justice" like many of his contemporaries but in ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' much of the plot is about Bruce exploring, discovering and refining his concept of justice and his boundaries (for example, Lucius challenges him on his decision to implement a nigh-omnipresent security system throughout Gotham and Bruce decides to retire it after the current crisis.)

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* {{Franchise/Batman}} usually fights for an ill defined "Justice" like many of his contemporaries but in In ''Film/TheDarkKnightSaga'' much of the plot is about Bruce exploring, discovering and refining his concept of justice and his boundaries boundaries. (for example, Lucius challenges him on his decision to implement a nigh-omnipresent security system throughout Gotham and Bruce decides to retire it after the current crisis.)crisis).



** Remarked on in ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'' when Rincewind explains why he doesn't support "worthy causes".
** ''Discworld/NightWatch'', wherein a rant by Sir Samuel results in the rebels fighting for truth, justice, freedom, reasonably-priced love (the [[UnusualEuphemism seamstresses]] objected to the inclusion of "free love")... and a hard-boiled egg. The egg, at least, can be had by morning.

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** Remarked on in ''Discworld/InterestingTimes'' when Rincewind explains why he doesn't support "worthy causes".
causes". He says they're much easier to pick up than another chance at life is, so why would he lay down his life for a cause?
** ''Discworld/NightWatch'', wherein a rant by Sir Samuel results in the rebels fighting for truth, justice, freedom, reasonably-priced love (the [[UnusualEuphemism seamstresses]] objected to the inclusion of "free love")... and a hard-boiled egg. The egg, at least, can be had by morning. [[spoiler: Not that he even gets to eat the egg.]]



* Generally averted in works by BrandonSanderson, particularly ''Literature/TheStormlightArchive'' and ''{{Literature/Mistborn}}''. The heroes are frequently forced to grapple with what their high-minded ideals actually mean in practice, and implementing them tend to have all manner of unforeseen consequences.



** Usually this describes whichever gods sponsor humans and halflings in any given setting, having vague concept philosophies like 'survival' and 'freedom' which don't actually demand specific behaviors. Painfully averted by whomever is in charge of Paladins, such as Cuthbert in 3rd edition, who tend to have a very explicit set of specific philosophical demands that are often enforced on even non-paladin worshipers by the universe itself.



*** The Imperium of Man and the Force of Chaos are both Deconstructions of this trope; they both over-emphasis high concepts (Daemons and the Chaos Gods basically ARE concepts given solid metaphysical forms) and encourage acting on them for their own sake. Naturally, both factions are ridiculously kill happy, anti-intellectual, fanatical, and short-sighted, unless they stray from dogma and adopt more practical ways.

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*** ** The Imperium of Man and the Force of Chaos are both Deconstructions of this trope; they both over-emphasis high concepts (Daemons and the Chaos Gods basically ARE concepts given solid metaphysical forms) and encourage acting on them for their own sake. Naturally, both factions are ridiculously kill happy, anti-intellectual, fanatical, and short-sighted, unless they stray from dogma and adopt more practical ways.



* ''MetalWolfChaos'' has propaganda broadcasts from the Policy Promotion Department, making pronouncements like "A heart of '''Justice''' is a heart that loves '''Freedom'''." This is when they're not promising to execute everyone who's even tangentially connected to Metal Wolf.

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* ''MetalWolfChaos'' ''VideoGame/MetalWolfChaos'' has propaganda broadcasts from the Policy Promotion Department, making pronouncements like "A heart of '''Justice''' is a heart that loves '''Freedom'''." This is when they're not promising to execute everyone who's even tangentially connected to Metal Wolf.



* ''WesternAnimation/TheTick'' doesn't let this worry him, being an IdiotHero. "Let's hang ten for Justice!"
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'': The Crimson Chin also uses "Justice!" as his vague but enthusiastic rallying cry.
* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'''s version of Batman also loves making pithy one-liners about "justice". This usually fits the show's tone, though it was rather jarring in the "Tornado Tyrant" episode where Red Tornado tried to explain good and evil to his son, when he could have just said "Evil people like stealing trucks and talking about crime, good people like punching those people and talking about justice, the end."

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheTick'' doesn't let this the abstract concepts worry him, being an IdiotHero. "Let's hang ten for Justice!"
Justice!" and "Spoon!" appear equivalent in his mind.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheFairlyOddParents'': The Crimson Chin also uses "Justice!" as his vague but enthusiastic rallying cry.
* ''WesternAnimation/BatmanTheBraveAndTheBold'''s version of Batman also loves making pithy one-liners about "justice". This usually fits the show's comic tone, though it was rather jarring in the "Tornado Tyrant" episode where Red Tornado tried to explain good and evil to his son, when he could have just said "Evil people like stealing trucks and talking about crime, good people like punching those people and talking about justice, the end."



* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' [[{{Troperiffic}} gleefully]] plays this straight with [[IdiotHero Finn]], who loves to boast about his defence of "honour" and "justice" without actually having any idea what those things mean ("I swear." "Swear to what?" "I swear ''to justice!''") and fighting evil monsters 'cuz they're "evil". CharacterDevelopment means he's a lot less prone to this in later seasons, but he still won't object to randomly punching monsters.

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* ''WesternAnimation/AdventureTime'' [[{{Troperiffic}} gleefully]] plays this straight with [[IdiotHero Finn]], who loves to boast about his defence defense of "honour" and "justice" without actually having any idea what those things mean ("I swear." "Swear to what?" "I swear ''to justice!''") and fighting evil monsters 'cuz they're "evil". CharacterDevelopment means he's a lot less prone to this in later seasons, but he still won't object to randomly punching monsters.



* More politicians than not, if not all politicians. It doesn't matter whether you're talking to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanGunPolitics National Rifle Association or Handgun Control Inc]], the American Civil Liberties Union or an attorney general, everyone is for the protection of rights and has no problem with reasonable regulation; those phrases mean ''exactly'' nothing. The real fun starts when all sides claim that ''their'' politicians back up their meaningless soundbites with actual policy and claim that everyone ''else's'' politicians have nothing but soundbites.

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* More politicians than not, if not all politicians.
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It doesn't matter whether you're talking to the [[UsefulNotes/AmericanGunPolitics National Rifle Association or Handgun Control Inc]], the American Civil Liberties Union or an attorney general, everyone is for the protection of rights and has no problem with reasonable regulation; those phrases mean ''exactly'' nothing. The real fun starts when all sides claim that ''their'' politicians back up their meaningless soundbites with actual policy and claim that everyone ''else's'' politicians have nothing but soundbites.



* While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality" and "citizenship." However, when talking about ''other'' countries, "democracy" and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad with "change" to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.
** On that note, many of Obama's critics contend that his famous slogans of "Hope" and "Change" and "Yes We Can" were a little too vague.

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* ** While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality" and "citizenship." However, when talking about ''other'' countries, "democracy" and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad with "change" to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.
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quickly. On that note, many of Obama's critics contend that his famous slogans of "Hope" and "Change" and "Yes We Can" were a little too vague.



* The Occupy Wall Street movement has been criticized by people from all over the political spectrum for seemingly having little more of a goal than making rich people feel bad. The organizers (and their counterparts all over the globe) stated that they didn't want to elaborate on their stances too much because they didn't want [[WeAreStrugglingTogether to divide the movement along factional lines]], instead opting to unite as many people as possible by getting them all to agree that the rich being greedy was a bad thing that needed to change. The result was very large crowds and very little clarity. Also, if you dug a little you would find that these different factions already existed beneath the surface, they just all found it in their interest (and no doubt belief) to imagine that each of them represented the 99% rather than a tiny proportion of a broad but ultimately not very effectual movement.
** YMMV on this. It was repeatedly pointed out Occupy's overall goal wasn't to psuh through specific changes in public policy, but to raise awareness there is a problem in the first place. It came about as a grassroots movement in the truest sense of the word as gradually people all over the world compared notes and realized they weren't the only ones stuck with unacceptable social conditions created through the fact that 0.01% of the world's population own over a third of Earth's wealth. How could social reform take place if society denies there's a problem in the first place? Insofar Occupy succeeded in their mission to educate the public.

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* The Occupy Wall Street movement has been criticized by people from all over the political spectrum for seemingly having little more of a goal than making rich people feel bad. The organizers (and their counterparts all over the globe) stated that they didn't want to elaborate on their stances too much because they didn't want [[WeAreStrugglingTogether to divide the movement along factional lines]], instead opting to unite as many people as possible by getting them all to agree that the rich being greedy was a bad thing that needed to change. The result was very large crowds and very little clarity. Also, if you dug a little you would find that these different factions already existed beneath the surface, they just all found it in their interest (and no doubt belief) to imagine that each of them represented the 99% rather than a tiny proportion of a broad but ultimately not very effectual movement.
** YMMV on this.
movement. It was repeatedly pointed out Occupy's overall goal wasn't to psuh push through specific changes in public policy, but to raise awareness there is a problem in the first place. It came about as a grassroots movement in the truest sense of the word as gradually people all over the world compared notes and realized they weren't the only ones stuck with unacceptable social conditions created through the fact that 0.01% of the world's population own over a third of Earth's wealth. How could social reform take place if society denies there's a problem in the first place? Insofar Occupy succeeded in their mission to educate the public.



* Roman writers noticed [[BreadAndCircuses and discussed]] it, making this trope OlderThanFeudalism.

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* Roman writers noticed [[BreadAndCircuses and discussed]] it, used BreadAndCircuses to discuss the vagueness of many political actions, making this trope OlderThanFeudalism.
28th Feb '16 7:51:01 PM nombretomado
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* Periodically, CaptainAmerica will become disillusioned when he realizes that even he doesn't really know what representing "America" really means. [[WriterOnBoard Usually when a Republican's in office.]]

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* Periodically, CaptainAmerica ComicBook/CaptainAmerica will become disillusioned when he realizes that even he doesn't really know what representing "America" really means. [[WriterOnBoard Usually when a Republican's in office.]]
6th Feb '16 11:46:04 AM SciFan
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* While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality", "citizenship", and "the republic" in the worst case (but that's from French Persident Sarkozy's administration, and that guy is very much into "American" methods). However, when talking about ''other'' countries, "democracy" and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad with "change" to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.

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* While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality", "citizenship", equality" and "the republic" in the worst case (but that's from French Persident Sarkozy's administration, and that guy is very much into "American" methods). "citizenship." However, when talking about ''other'' countries, "democracy" and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad with "change" to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.



** YMMV on this. It was repeatedly pointed out Occupy's overall goal wasn't to psuh through specific changes in public policy, but to raise awareness there is a problem in the first place. It came about as a grassroots movement in the truest sense of the word as gradually people all over the world compared notes and realized they weren't the only ones stuck with unacceptable social conditions created through the fact that 0.01% of the world's population own over a third of Earth's wealth. How could social reform take place if society denies there's a problem in the first place? Insofar Occupy succeeded in their mission to educate the public.



* Blog/LessWrong [[http://lesswrong.com/lw/jb/applause_lights/ has an article]] on this trope as it appears in politics, using "democratic" as a specific example.
2nd Feb '16 9:49:50 PM Twentington
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* ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'' speaks alot about "OUR FREEDOM!" with only a couple of lines giving context they were fighting for ("beg forgiveness for a hundred years of theft, rape, and murder"[[note]]The thirteenth century was a fairly peaceful one for Anglo-Scots relations; shortly prior to the war, there had even been talks of uniting the two countries via royal marriage- 300 years before James VI/I. A few unfortunate deaths in the Scottish royal family changed that.[[/note]]). Although movie-Wallace's crusade just started out as an act of personal revenge against the man who killed his wife, then somehow morphed into "Freedom for Scotland".

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* ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'' speaks alot a lot about "OUR FREEDOM!" with only a couple of lines giving context they were fighting for ("beg forgiveness for a hundred years of theft, rape, and murder"[[note]]The thirteenth century was a fairly peaceful one for Anglo-Scots relations; shortly prior to the war, there had even been talks of uniting the two countries via royal marriage- 300 years before James VI/I. A few unfortunate deaths in the Scottish royal family changed that.[[/note]]). Although movie-Wallace's crusade just started out as an act of personal revenge against the man who killed his wife, then somehow morphed into "Freedom for Scotland".



** Then there are the villains and their interpretation of "balance". For Sozin it was a Fire Nation lead hegemony, for Amon it meant bender genocide, Unalaq believed in unified physical and spirit worlds ruled by him, Zaheer just wanted total chaos, while Kuvira sought complete control and subjugation under the guise of unity.

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** Then there are the villains and their interpretation of "balance". For Sozin it was a Fire Nation lead led hegemony, for Amon it meant bender genocide, Unalaq believed in unified physical and spirit worlds ruled by him, Zaheer just wanted total chaos, while Kuvira sought complete control and subjugation under the guise of unity.



* John Stuart Mill supported freedom. G.W.F. Hegel supported Freedom. What is meant by freedom in each case is VERY different from the other. This sometimes leads to leads to political BlueAndOrangeMorality between the two factions.

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* John Stuart Mill supported freedom. G.W.F. Hegel supported Freedom. What is meant by freedom in each case is VERY different from the other. This sometimes leads to leads to political BlueAndOrangeMorality between the two factions.
5th Jan '16 6:51:15 AM Bruxist
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** After their overwhelming success in 2015 elections, the Polish ruling party PiS (Law and Justice) went to work on a series of reforms and other operations under the common name of "The Good Change". Several loud anti-government manifestations and badly received reforms later, they still haven't dropped the name.
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*** The Imperium of Man and the Force of Chaos are both Deconstructions of this trope; they both over-emphasis high concepts (Daemons and the Chaos Gods basically ARE concepts given solid metaphysical forms) and encourage acting on them for their own sake. Naturally, both factions are ridiculously kill happy, anti-intellectual, fanatical, and short-sighted, unless they stray from dogma and adopt more practical ways.
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