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6th Feb '16 11:46:04 AM SciFan
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* While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality", "citizenship", and "the republic" in the worst case (but that's from French Persident Sarkozy's administration, and that guy is very much into "American" methods). However, when talking about ''other'' countries, "democracy" and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad with "change" to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.
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* While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality", "citizenship", equality" and "the republic" in the worst case (but that's from French Persident Sarkozy's administration, and that guy is very much into "American" methods). "citizenship." However, when talking about ''other'' countries, "democracy" and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad with "change" to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.

* While the invocation of "freedom", "justice" and "liberty" tend ** YMMV on this. It was repeatedly pointed out Occupy's overall goal wasn't to be Americans' preference, European, politicians tend psuh through specific changes in public policy, but to make more understated speeches: they usually don't go further than "social equality", "citizenship", and "the republic" raise awareness there is a problem in the worst case (but that's from French Persident Sarkozy's administration, and that guy is very much into "American" methods). However, when talking first place. It came about ''other'' countries, "democracy" as a grassroots movement in the truest sense of the word as gradually people all over the world compared notes and "human rights" pop up very frequently. There was a fad realized they weren't the only ones stuck with "change" unacceptable social conditions created through the fact that 0.01% of the world's population own over a third of Earth's wealth. How could social reform take place if society denies there's a problem in the first place? Insofar Occupy succeeded in their mission to try to [[FollowTheLeader copy]] UsefulNotes/BarackObama's vibe, but it settled very quickly.educate the public.

* Blog/LessWrong [[http://lesswrong.com/lw/jb/applause_lights/ has an article]] on this trope as it appears in politics, using "democratic" as a specific example.
2nd Feb '16 9:49:50 PM Twentington
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* ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'' speaks alot about "OUR FREEDOM!" with only a couple of lines giving context they were fighting for ("beg forgiveness for a hundred years of theft, rape, and murder"[[note]]The thirteenth century was a fairly peaceful one for Anglo-Scots relations; shortly prior to the war, there had even been talks of uniting the two countries via royal marriage- 300 years before James VI/I. A few unfortunate deaths in the Scottish royal family changed that.[[/note]]). Although movie-Wallace's crusade just started out as an act of personal revenge against the man who killed his wife, then somehow morphed into "Freedom for Scotland".
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* ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'' speaks alot a lot about "OUR FREEDOM!" with only a couple of lines giving context they were fighting for ("beg forgiveness for a hundred years of theft, rape, and murder"[[note]]The thirteenth century was a fairly peaceful one for Anglo-Scots relations; shortly prior to the war, there had even been talks of uniting the two countries via royal marriage- 300 years before James VI/I. A few unfortunate deaths in the Scottish royal family changed that.[[/note]]). Although movie-Wallace's crusade just started out as an act of personal revenge against the man who killed his wife, then somehow morphed into "Freedom for Scotland".

** Then there are the villains and their interpretation of "balance". For Sozin it was a Fire Nation lead hegemony, for Amon it meant bender genocide, Unalaq believed in unified physical and spirit worlds ruled by him, Zaheer just wanted total chaos, while Kuvira sought complete control and subjugation under the guise of unity.
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** Then there are the villains and their interpretation of "balance". For Sozin it was a Fire Nation lead led hegemony, for Amon it meant bender genocide, Unalaq believed in unified physical and spirit worlds ruled by him, Zaheer just wanted total chaos, while Kuvira sought complete control and subjugation under the guise of unity.

* John Stuart Mill supported freedom. G.W.F. Hegel supported Freedom. What is meant by freedom in each case is VERY different from the other. This sometimes leads to leads to political BlueAndOrangeMorality between the two factions.
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* John Stuart Mill supported freedom. G.W.F. Hegel supported Freedom. What is meant by freedom in each case is VERY different from the other. This sometimes leads to leads to political BlueAndOrangeMorality between the two factions.
5th Jan '16 6:51:15 AM Bruxist
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** After their overwhelming success in 2015 elections, the Polish ruling party PiS (Law and Justice) went to work on a series of reforms and other operations under the common name of "The Good Change". Several loud anti-government manifestations and badly received reforms later, they still haven't dropped the name.
19th Dec '15 5:18:00 AM Ajardoor
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*** The Imperium of Man and the Force of Chaos are both Deconstructions of this trope; they both over-emphasis high concepts (Daemons and the Chaos Gods basically ARE concepts given solid metaphysical forms) and encourage acting on them for their own sake. Naturally, both factions are ridiculously kill happy, anti-intellectual, fanatical, and short-sighted, unless they stray from dogma and adopt more practical ways.
14th Dec '15 1:31:27 PM FF32
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* Periodically, CaptainAmerica will become disillusioned when he realizes that even he doesn't really know what representing "America" really means. [[AuthorOnBoard Usually when a Republican's in office.]]
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* Periodically, CaptainAmerica will become disillusioned when he realizes that even he doesn't really know what representing "America" really means. [[AuthorOnBoard [[WriterOnBoard Usually when a Republican's in office.]]
17th Nov '15 1:29:01 PM ChaoticNovelist
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Deleted a tangent that bitched about two entire genres. Another deleted was to focus the entry on Braveheart. We dont' clumb two stories togeher like that. Please try not to bitch too much.
* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels abused this a lot, which might be forgiveable in a free-wheeling SpaceOpera story, except that they tried to hang a lot important plot points off it too. Anakin is introduced as a slave: we don't see his performing any slave duties (working in a shop could just be his job for how he's treated), or the effects of slavery on him, or any motivations as a result of his experience, but it earns the tyke sympathy points. Obi-Wan declares his loyalty not to any political party or leader, but to 'democracy'. The Sith are dangerous moral relativists, except when they're rigid moral absolutists, but in the end they only seem to be whatever term the story can hang off them to make then [[CardCarryingVillain eeeevil]]. It also goes to show you that a lot of fantasy and SpaceOpera [[{{Backstory}} backstories]] ''[[FridgeLogic do not make sense]]''. * ''{{Music/Evita}}'' had a bit of this. Late in the film, when Eva [[spoiler:is dying]], she and her fascist dictator husband Juan start talking about how their "dream" may never come to pass. It's never really revealed what this dream was supposed to be, unless it turns out it was "Enjoy and abuse the Presidential office" (in which case, Mission Accomplished). * The films ''Film/ThePatriot'' (with Mel Gibson, not Steven Seagal) and ''KingArthur'' (2004) threw the word "freedom" around, which just made the weak scripts all the more apparent. Even ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'' nearly fell into this, were it not for at least a couple of lines giving context they were fighting for ("beg forgiveness for a hundred years of theft, rape, and murder"[[note]]The thirteenth century was a fairly peaceful one for Anglo-Scots relations; shortly prior to the war, there had even been talks of uniting the two countries via royal marriage- 300 years before James VI/I. A few unfortunate deaths in the Scottish royal family changed that, though.[[/note]]). Although movie-Wallace's crusade just started out as an act of personal revenge against the man who killed his wife, then somehow morphed into "Freedom for Scotland". * One of the worst offenders has to be Christian in ''Film/MoulinRouge'', who seems to basically think that because he and Satine believe in Freedom and Art and Love, the universe has to bend around them and everyone is obliged to give them stuff for free. Neither does it ever seem to occur to him that these concepts aren't always compatible with each other, such as Art having to make a sacrifice for Love or Satine being free to love someone other than him. * Patrick Bateman in TheFilmOfTheBook ''Literature/AmericanPsycho'' gives a monologue on the important problems that we need to face, eventually dissolving into a bunch of vacuous rhetoric. Naturally, he doesn't actually care about these things (being a shallow sociopath, a racist, and a serial killer), so his speech is just a huge Lampshade hung on the use of this trope.
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* The ''Franchise/StarWars'' prequels abused this a lot, which might be forgiveable in a free-wheeling SpaceOpera story, except that they tried to hang a lot important plot points off it too. Anakin is introduced as a slave: we don't see his performing any slave duties (working in a shop could just be his job for how he's treated), or the effects of slavery on him, or any motivations as a result of his experience, but it earns the tyke sympathy points. Obi-Wan declares his loyalty not to any political party or leader, but to 'democracy'. The Sith are dangerous moral relativists, except when they're rigid moral absolutists, but in the end they only seem to be whatever term the story can hang off them to make then [[CardCarryingVillain eeeevil]]. It also goes to show you that a lot of fantasy and SpaceOpera [[{{Backstory}} backstories]] ''[[FridgeLogic do not make sense]]''.\n * ''{{Music/Evita}}'' had a bit of this. ''{{Music/Evita}}'': Late in the film, when Eva [[spoiler:is dying]], she and her fascist dictator husband Juan start talking about how their "dream" may never come to pass. It's never really revealed what this dream was supposed to be, unless it turns out it was "Enjoy and abuse the Presidential office" (in which case, Mission Accomplished). * The films ''Film/ThePatriot'' (with Mel Gibson, not Steven Seagal) and ''KingArthur'' (2004) threw the word "freedom" around, which just made the weak scripts all the more apparent. Even ''Film/{{Braveheart}}'' nearly fell into this, were it not for at least speaks alot about "OUR FREEDOM!" with only a couple of lines giving context they were fighting for ("beg forgiveness for a hundred years of theft, rape, and murder"[[note]]The thirteenth century was a fairly peaceful one for Anglo-Scots relations; shortly prior to the war, there had even been talks of uniting the two countries via royal marriage- 300 years before James VI/I. A few unfortunate deaths in the Scottish royal family changed that, though.that.[[/note]]). Although movie-Wallace's crusade just started out as an act of personal revenge against the man who killed his wife, then somehow morphed into "Freedom for Scotland". * One of the worst offenders has to be *''Film/MoulinRouge'', Christian in ''Film/MoulinRouge'', who seems to basically think thinks that because he and Satine believe in Freedom and Art and Love, the universe has to bend around them and everyone is obliged to give them stuff for free. Neither does it ever seem to occur to him that these concepts aren't always compatible with each other, such as Art having to make a sacrifice for Love or Satine being free to love someone other than him. * ''Literature/AmericanPsycho'': Patrick Bateman in TheFilmOfTheBook ''Literature/AmericanPsycho'' gives a monologue on the important problems that we need to face, eventually dissolving into a bunch of vacuous rhetoric. Naturally, he doesn't actually care about these things (being a shallow sociopath, a racist, and a serial killer), so his speech is just a huge Lampshade hung on the use of this trope.

* After the BigBad Zorg in ''Film/TheFifthElement'' is failed by a group of warrior aliens and forced to compromise on a deal, he launches into a monologue about his dislike for warriors and their causes.
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* ''Film/TheFifthElement'': After the BigBad Zorg in ''Film/TheFifthElement'' is failed by a group of warrior aliens and forced to compromise on a deal, he launches into a monologue about his dislike for warriors and their causes.
17th Nov '15 1:16:22 PM ChaoticNovelist
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ValuesDissonance can hit with some of these concepts. ForScience was a cheap concept in TheFifties (positive or negative, depending on [[MadScientist the sanity of the scientist]]), but these days there are enough people real and fictional who claim that ScienceIsBad that taking a stand for it does mean something (again, for good or ill).
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ValuesDissonance can hit with some of these concepts. ForScience was a cheap concept in TheFifties (positive or negative, depending on [[MadScientist the sanity of the scientist]]), but these days there are enough people real and fictional who claim that ScienceIsBad that taking a stand for it does mean something (again, for good or ill).
7th Nov '15 5:20:06 PM nombretomado
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* Abraham Reyes from ''RedDeadRedemption'' gives speeches that have him throwing around rabble-rousing buzzwords such as "Freedom" and "For the people!" And while the people drink it up, it's obvious to Marston and the player that he's nothing more than a self-important blowhard. [[spoiler:You only get to see how fake he really is in the epilogue, when a newspaper blurb spells out to you that he's become a dictator.]]
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* Abraham Reyes from ''RedDeadRedemption'' ''VideoGame/RedDeadRedemption'' gives speeches that have him throwing around rabble-rousing buzzwords such as "Freedom" and "For the people!" And while the people drink it up, it's obvious to Marston and the player that he's nothing more than a self-important blowhard. [[spoiler:You only get to see how fake he really is in the epilogue, when a newspaper blurb spells out to you that he's become a dictator.]]
6th Sep '15 5:05:37 PM Alucard
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* Makoto Naegi in ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'' genuinely believed in hope as a valuable concept, and it payed off in the final trial against the BigBad's DespairGambit. [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 The second game]]'s Ultimate/SHSL Luckster Nagito Komaeda, Naegi's OddballDoppelganger, seems intended to satirize the idea by using the word in the context of doing horrible things like arranging for a murder to occur or helping the culprit to see who's hope was "stronger" under the guise of fighting for all hope. All while proving again and again that the he's more infatuated by the idea of hope, rather than having any hope of his own; Naegi may have been a HumbleHero, but he never went around calling himself 'trash' the way Komaeda does, nor did he ever revel in seeing followers of despair get punished.
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* Makoto Naegi in ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'' genuinely believed in hope as a valuable concept, and it payed off in the final trial against the BigBad's DespairGambit. [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 The second game]]'s Ultimate/SHSL Luckster Nagito Komaeda, Naegi's OddballDoppelganger, seems intended to satirize the idea by using the word in the context of doing horrible things like arranging for a murder to occur or helping the culprit to see who's hope was "stronger" under the guise of fighting for all hope. hope in general (instead of some specific hope). All while proving again and again that the he's more infatuated by the idea of hope, rather than having any hope of his own; Naegi may have been a HumbleHero, but he never went around calling himself 'trash' the way Komaeda does, nor did and while while he ever revel was always sure to TurnTheOtherCheek by sending blame for people's misconduct towards The Mastermind, he never reveled in seeing followers of despair get punished.
6th Sep '15 4:56:54 PM Alucard
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* Makoto Naegi in ''VisualNovel/{{Danganronpa}}'' genuinely believed in hope as a valuable concept, and it payed off in the final trial against the BigBad's DespairGambit. [[VisualNovel/SuperDanganronpa2 The second game]]'s Ultimate/SHSL Luckster Nagito Komaeda, Naegi's OddballDoppelganger, seems intended to satirize the idea by using the word in the context of doing horrible things like arranging for a murder to occur or helping the culprit to see who's hope was "stronger" under the guise of fighting for all hope. All while proving again and again that the he's more infatuated by the idea of hope, rather than having any hope of his own; Naegi may have been a HumbleHero, but he never went around calling himself 'trash' the way Komaeda does, nor did he ever revel in seeing followers of despair get punished.
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