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25th Aug '17 9:27:43 PM MiinU
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Often overlaps with the NonNonsenseNemesis, {{Anti Hero}}es, and especially {{Ninja}}. They almost never allow [[HonorBeforeReason honor or sentiment]] to cloud their judgement, will usually take measures to avoid [[DeathByPragmatism setbacks, or betrayal.]]. Sometimes WeakButSkilled or TooCleverByHalf, though the truly pragmatic former will constantly seek to increase his power level and hence advantage over his enemies. It can look like ConfusionFu in practice -- but it almost always isn't. If TheUnfettered fights, then he'll be one of these.

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Often overlaps with the NonNonsenseNemesis, NoNonsenseNemesis, {{Anti Hero}}es, and especially {{Ninja}}. They almost never allow [[HonorBeforeReason honor or sentiment]] to cloud their judgement, will usually take measures to avoid [[DeathByPragmatism setbacks, or betrayal.]]. Sometimes WeakButSkilled or TooCleverByHalf, though the truly pragmatic former will constantly seek to increase his power level and hence advantage over his enemies. It can look like ConfusionFu in practice -- but it almost always isn't. If TheUnfettered fights, then he'll be one of these.
25th Aug '17 9:25:27 PM MiinU
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These characters frequently turn out to be {{Anti Hero}}es and {{Rebellious Spirit}}s. {{Ninja}} are almost invariably these, with most exceptions belonging to the [[HighlyVisibleNinja highly visible variety]]. Definitely not the KnightInShiningArmor. They never suffer from HonorBeforeReason or DeathByPragmatism. Sometimes WeakButSkilled or TooCleverByHalf, though the truly pragmatic former will constantly seek to increase his power level and hence advantage over his enemies. It can look like ConfusionFu in practice -- but it almost always isn't. If TheUnfettered fights, then he'll be one of these.

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These characters frequently turn out to be Often overlaps with the NonNonsenseNemesis, {{Anti Hero}}es Hero}}es, and {{Rebellious Spirit}}s. {{Ninja}} are especially {{Ninja}}. They almost invariably these, with most exceptions belonging to the [[HighlyVisibleNinja highly visible variety]]. Definitely not the KnightInShiningArmor. They never suffer from HonorBeforeReason allow [[HonorBeforeReason honor or DeathByPragmatism.sentiment]] to cloud their judgement, will usually take measures to avoid [[DeathByPragmatism setbacks, or betrayal.]]. Sometimes WeakButSkilled or TooCleverByHalf, though the truly pragmatic former will constantly seek to increase his power level and hence advantage over his enemies. It can look like ConfusionFu in practice -- but it almost always isn't. If TheUnfettered fights, then he'll be one of these.
31st Jul '17 8:13:22 PM KingClark
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"Only a moron would bring a sword to a gun fight." ]]-] ]]

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"Only a moron would bring a sword to a gun fight." ]]-] ]]
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18th May '17 11:35:22 AM HighCrate
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These characters are characterized by an [[GenreSavvy extensive knowledge of tactics]] others may consider "dirty" fighting or just by a willingness to use those tactics to achieve their goal, often against more "honorable" opponents (i.e. {{Genre Blind|ness}} ones). They are likely to think of any adherence to rules or sporting combat as HonorBeforeReason.

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These characters are characterized by an [[GenreSavvy extensive knowledge of tactics]] tactics others may consider "dirty" fighting or just by a willingness to use those tactics to achieve their goal, often against more "honorable" opponents (i.e. {{Genre Blind|ness}} ones). They are likely to think of any adherence to rules or sporting combat as HonorBeforeReason.
5th Dec '16 2:46:49 AM DustSnitch
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This can be an EstablishingCharacterMoment. It can also be divisive, both among the audience and {{in-universe}}, due to MoralMyopia -- the hero is a resourceful {{Badass}}, while the villain is just a dirty cheater. This can lead to instances of BlackAndGrayMorality, showing that the hero and the villain are NotSoDifferent, and the difference between someone being [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters a terrorist or a freedom fighter]]. For heroes, it's possible for these tactics, if extreme enough, to lead to WhatTheHellHero moments or claims of IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim, sometimes resulting in responses of IDidWhatIHadToDo, and in extreme cases, can be a metaphor for SlowlySlippingIntoEvil that represents the start or conclusion of a FaceHeelTurn.

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This can be an EstablishingCharacterMoment. It can also be divisive, both among the audience and {{in-universe}}, due to MoralMyopia -- the hero is a resourceful {{Badass}}, badass, while the villain is just a dirty cheater. This can lead to instances of BlackAndGrayMorality, showing that the hero and the villain are NotSoDifferent, and the difference between someone being [[YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters a terrorist or a freedom fighter]]. For heroes, it's possible for these tactics, if extreme enough, to lead to WhatTheHellHero moments or claims of IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim, sometimes resulting in responses of IDidWhatIHadToDo, and in extreme cases, can be a metaphor for SlowlySlippingIntoEvil that represents the start or conclusion of a FaceHeelTurn.
11th Nov '16 10:42:35 AM Morgenthaler
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These characters frequently turn out to be {{Badass}}es, {{Anti Hero}}es, and {{Rebellious Spirit}}s. {{Ninja}} are almost invariably these, with most exceptions belonging to the [[HighlyVisibleNinja highly visible variety]]. Definitely not the KnightInShiningArmor. They never suffer from HonorBeforeReason or DeathByPragmatism. Sometimes WeakButSkilled or TooCleverByHalf, though the truly pragmatic former will constantly seek to increase his power level and hence advantage over his enemies. It can look like ConfusionFu in practice -- but it almost always isn't. If TheUnfettered fights, then he'll be one of these.

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These characters frequently turn out to be {{Badass}}es, {{Anti Hero}}es, Hero}}es and {{Rebellious Spirit}}s. {{Ninja}} are almost invariably these, with most exceptions belonging to the [[HighlyVisibleNinja highly visible variety]]. Definitely not the KnightInShiningArmor. They never suffer from HonorBeforeReason or DeathByPragmatism. Sometimes WeakButSkilled or TooCleverByHalf, though the truly pragmatic former will constantly seek to increase his power level and hence advantage over his enemies. It can look like ConfusionFu in practice -- but it almost always isn't. If TheUnfettered fights, then he'll be one of these.
12th Sep '16 12:20:17 PM ACW
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They do ''not'' suffer from a ComplexityAddiction, are never afraid to use a MundaneSolution (nor do they need it to be [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointed out to them]]), ''never'' assume that the other person will fight "honorably", have no interest in a SelfImposedChallenge, don't care if their opponent is a [[WorthyOpponent worthy one]], and will not hesitate to KickThemWhileTheyAreDown. They almost always have their {{weapon of choice}} either on them or near them at all times, and possibly a spare or two. If not, they're willing to use absolutely ''anything'' as a weapon and only resort to GoodOldFisticuffs if there's no weapon nearby.

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They do ''not'' suffer from a ComplexityAddiction, are never afraid to use a MundaneSolution (nor do they need it to be [[StatingTheSimpleSolution pointed out to them]]), ''never'' assume that the other person will fight "honorably", have no interest in a SelfImposedChallenge, don't care if their opponent is a [[WorthyOpponent worthy one]], and will not hesitate to KickThemWhileTheyAreDown. They almost always have their {{weapon of choice}} either on them or near them at all times, and possibly a spare or two. If not, [[ImprobableWeaponUser they're willing willing]] to use absolutely ''anything'' ''[[ImprovisedWeapon anything]]'' as a weapon and only resort to GoodOldFisticuffs if there's no weapon nearby.
9th Sep '16 11:21:00 AM radnick104
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Characters are often deliberately not put into this trope due to RuleOfCool. If everyone took this approach to combat who could, key characters would be dead or defeated too soon and the story would be over a little too quickly. Plus, it's often just way cooler to show off more complicated tactics than simple ones. Additionally, MoralGuardians and {{Media Watchdog}}s sometimes make having this type of character difficult by ensuring that they can't do certain actions. On the other hand, when drawn-out straight fights are impractical, excitement can be created by GenreShift away from pure action to espionage, planning, intrigue and the thrill of the hunt, with clever heroes and villains alike who avoid the IdiotBall and unnecessary flash, and any open violence being quick and decisive, however, this character can come as a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that is right, "Cheating in a fight with no rules is not cheating" and "If you want to defeat the bad guys, you don't have to fight fair with them".

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Characters are often deliberately not put into this trope due to RuleOfCool. If everyone took this approach to combat who could, key characters would be dead or defeated too soon and the story would be over a little too quickly. Plus, it's often just way cooler to show off more complicated tactics than simple ones. Additionally, MoralGuardians and {{Media Watchdog}}s sometimes make having this type of character difficult by ensuring that they can't do certain actions. On the other hand, when drawn-out straight fights are impractical, excitement can be created by GenreShift away from pure action to espionage, planning, intrigue and the thrill of the hunt, with clever heroes and villains alike who avoid the IdiotBall and unnecessary flash, and any open violence being quick and decisive, however, this character can come as a FamilyUnfriendlyAesop that is right, "Cheating in a fight with no rules is not cheating" and "If you want to defeat the bad guys, you don't have to fight fair with them".
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29th Aug '16 5:52:30 AM AnotherGuy
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->'''Will Turner:''' You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I'd kill you.\\
'''Jack Sparrow:''' Then that's not much incentive for me to fight fair, now is it?

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->'''Will Turner:''' You didn't beat me. You ignored the rules of engagement. In a fair fight, I'd kill you.\\
'''Jack Sparrow:''' Then that's That's not much incentive for me to fight fair, now then, is it?it?
10th Aug '16 8:20:31 PM Mhazard
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These characters are characterized by an extensive knowledge of tactics others may consider "dirty" fighting or just by a willingness to use those tactics to achieve their goal, often against more "honorable" opponents (i.e. {{Genre Blind|ness}} ones). They are likely to think of any adherence to rules or sporting combat as HonorBeforeReason.

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These characters are characterized by an [[GenreSavvy extensive knowledge of tactics tactics]] others may consider "dirty" fighting or just by a willingness to use those tactics to achieve their goal, often against more "honorable" opponents (i.e. {{Genre Blind|ness}} ones). They are likely to think of any adherence to rules or sporting combat as HonorBeforeReason.



Villains can also be pragmatic, though it usually takes on a [[PragmaticVillainy different form]]. Villains being normal Combat Pragmatists is usually averted, or at least not played out completely straight, as it can possibly even lead to them [[TheBadGuyWins being victorious]]. If they are, it means they avert BondVillainStupidity and [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim actually kill the hero]] instead of [[NoMrBondIExpectYouToDine having dinner with him]]. Depending on the context, using these tactics can be their KickTheDog moment or even their crossing of the MoralEventHorizon.

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Villains can also be pragmatic, though it usually takes on a [[PragmaticVillainy different form]]. Villains being normal Combat Pragmatists is usually averted, or at least not played out completely straight, as it can possibly even lead to them [[TheBadGuyWins being victorious]]. If they are, it means they avert BondVillainStupidity and [[WhyDontYouJustShootHim [[HeroKiller actually kill the hero]] instead of [[NoMrBondIExpectYouToDine having dinner with him]]. Depending on the context, using these tactics can be their KickTheDog moment or even their crossing of the MoralEventHorizon.
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