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15th Jan '18 2:39:38 PM margdean56
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** The Omnian theocracy in the novel ''Discworld/SmallGods'' - combines the military-imperial aggression of medieval Islam with the paranoid doctrinal intolerance of medieval Catholicism. After the events of the book the religion mellows out somewhat, but is no less aggressively evangelical, so now Omnians travel door-to-door to distribute religious pamphlets and talk to people about Om. Most of their neighbors view this with equal dread, and end up [[TruthInTelevision hiding behind furniture]] when they see Omnian priests headed their way. This even extends to naming their children things like "Visit-The-Infidel-With-Explanatory-Pamphlets and "Smite-The-Unbeliever-With-Cunning-Arguments".

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** The Omnian theocracy in the novel ''Discworld/SmallGods'' - -- combines the military-imperial aggression of medieval Islam with the paranoid doctrinal intolerance of medieval Catholicism. After the events of the book the religion mellows out somewhat, but is no less aggressively evangelical, so now Omnians travel door-to-door to distribute religious pamphlets and talk to people about Om. Most of their neighbors view this with equal dread, and end up [[TruthInTelevision hiding behind furniture]] when they see Omnian priests headed their way. This even extends to naming their children things like "Visit-The-Infidel-With-Explanatory-Pamphlets "Visit-The-Infidel-With-Explanatory-Pamphlets" and "Smite-The-Unbeliever-With-Cunning-Arguments".



** ''Literature/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' (Volume Four), it is revealed that the Omnian church has the uniformed and martial ''Sanitary Legion'' - an UpToEleven version of the Salvation Army, operating out of a Citadel in Ankh-Morpork.

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** ''Literature/TheScienceOfDiscworld'' (Volume Four), it is revealed that the Omnian church has the uniformed and martial ''Sanitary Legion'' - -- an UpToEleven version of the Salvation Army, operating out of a Citadel in Ankh-Morpork.



** At one point Thom Merrilin's reaction to a statement by Elayne suggests that the Lord Captain Commander of the Whitecloaks, then Pedron Niall, was close to or more powerful than the Queen of Andor, one of the more powerful of the nations, as there are apparently Whitecloaks in and from every land. The 'from' bit is as close as indicating they have large scale support as exists one supposes.

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** At one point Thom Merrilin's reaction to a statement by Elayne suggests that the Lord Captain Commander of the Whitecloaks, then Pedron Niall, was close to or more powerful than the Queen of Andor, one of the more powerful of the nations, as there are apparently Whitecloaks in and from every land. The 'from' bit is as close as indicating they have large scale support as exists exists, one supposes.



** Also the SAS (Salvation Army Sisterhood). Hard-core nuns of military persuasion, that have been banned and condemned by every branch of Christian Church (though, they still hire SAS when all else has failed). SAS burns down satanist churches, perform exorcisms on politicians and they once skinned and ate a werewolf. Save them all and let God sort them out, so to speak.

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** Also the SAS (Salvation Army Sisterhood). Hard-core nuns of military persuasion, that have been banned and condemned by every branch of the Christian Church (though, they still hire SAS when all else has failed). SAS burns down satanist churches, perform performs exorcisms on politicians politicians, and they once skinned and ate a werewolf. Save them all and let God sort them out, so to speak.



* The Thirty, in Creator/DavidGemmell's Literature/{{Drenai}} novels. They're also ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin - there's 30 of them. And they are badass.

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* The Thirty, in Creator/DavidGemmell's Literature/{{Drenai}} novels. They're also ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin - -- there's 30 of them. And they are badass.



** Yet another example in ''Literature/TheWarGods'' Tomanak, the local war god's has the most notable on in his Order, but other deities are mentioned to have their own, smaller fighting forces, such as the Axes of Isvaria to name but one.

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** Yet another example in ''Literature/TheWarGods'' Tomanak, the local war god's god, has the most notable on ones in his Order, but other deities are mentioned to have their own, smaller fighting forces, such as the Axes of Isvaria to name but one.



* A character in Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProvostsDog'' series mentions "warrior [women] with sickles" from a temple who punish violations of the "Goddess's Law concerning women." Given that said priestesses are mentioned in reference to a [[DirtyOldMan man notorious for roving hands]], it's not hard to imagine the gist of the Law. The Goddess' temple warriors are mentioned in other [[Literature/TortallUniverse Tortall]] books, too.

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* A character in Creator/TamoraPierce's ''Literature/ProvostsDog'' series mentions "warrior [women] with sickles" from a temple who punish violations of the "Goddess's Law concerning women." Given that said priestesses are mentioned in reference to a [[DirtyOldMan man notorious for roving hands]], it's not hard to imagine the gist of the Law. The Goddess' Goddess's temple warriors are mentioned in other [[Literature/TortallUniverse Tortall]] books, too.
15th Jan '18 2:27:50 PM margdean56
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The world often notes that certain groups take {{God}} and Guns with equal fervor. The Church Militant takes this observation to the natural conclusion, a [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]] (or [[CrystalDragonJesus Catholic-like]]) superpower that is ''very'' heavily armed. This can be played in any number of ways- [[LightIsNotGood Light isn't always good]], and even when it is, [[GoodIsNotNice Good is not always nice]], and even when it is, [[GoodIsNotSoft Good isn't soft]].

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The world often notes that certain groups take {{God}} and Guns with equal fervor. The Church Militant takes this observation to the natural conclusion, a [[ChristianityIsCatholic Catholic]] (or [[CrystalDragonJesus Catholic-like]]) superpower that is ''very'' heavily armed. This can be played in any number of ways- [[LightIsNotGood ways--[[LightIsNotGood Light isn't always good]], and even when it is, [[GoodIsNotNice Good is not always nice]], and even when it is, [[GoodIsNotSoft Good isn't soft]].



The most commonly associated troops for the Church Militant are its heavily armored, sword-slinging, holy-equipped special forces usually known as [[ThePaladin Paladins]]. Nuns with guns usually come halfway between this and AmazonBrigade. If there is a Fanatic branch of the Church Militant, expect the KnightTemplar, but also expect their zealotry to be tempered by the church hierarchy- orders with divine authority behind them are hard to ignore, and there is usually a larger war to win.

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The most commonly associated troops for the Church Militant are its heavily armored, sword-slinging, holy-equipped special forces usually known as [[ThePaladin Paladins]]. Nuns with guns usually come halfway between this and AmazonBrigade. If there is a Fanatic branch of the Church Militant, expect the KnightTemplar, but also expect their zealotry to be tempered by the church hierarchy- orders hierarchy--orders with divine authority behind them are hard to ignore, and there is usually a larger war to win.



In fantasy settings they'll probably also have [[ReligionIsMagic divine magic]], most often WhiteMagic. When a SaintlyChurch is involved, you can also expect the HolyHandGrenade, but when the Church militant is played as also being the CorruptChurch, BlackMagic may be used alongside or even substituted. Even in settings featuring a purely good church militant, the light side's magical bag of tricks isn't limited to HealingMagic, [[NonlethalWarfare stun spells]], and summoning puppies and rainbows- [[EnergyBall concentrated blasts of goodness]], [[LightEmUp cleansing light]], and [[BoltOfDivineRetribution Bolts of Divine Retribution]] are standard issue for The Order of Smiting. In the more liberal chapters, such as the Brothers of the Clandestine Operations, one might even find instances of TheSacredDarkness being put to work on the side of the faithful.

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In fantasy settings they'll probably also have [[ReligionIsMagic divine magic]], most often WhiteMagic. When a SaintlyChurch is involved, you can also expect the HolyHandGrenade, but when the Church militant is played as also being the CorruptChurch, BlackMagic may be used alongside or even substituted. Even in settings featuring a purely good church militant, the light side's magical bag of tricks isn't limited to HealingMagic, [[NonlethalWarfare stun spells]], and summoning puppies and rainbows- [[EnergyBall rainbows--[[EnergyBall concentrated blasts of goodness]], [[LightEmUp cleansing light]], and [[BoltOfDivineRetribution Bolts of Divine Retribution]] are standard issue for The Order of Smiting. In the more liberal chapters, such as the Brothers of the Clandestine Operations, one might even find instances of TheSacredDarkness being put to work on the side of the faithful.



The moral questions surrounding the idea of religious authorities advocating violence have been around since the beginning of monotheism. Polytheistic religions generally don't result in MoralDissonance, instead delegating war behavior to [[WarGod deities who are specifically devoted to kicking ass]]. Monotheistic religions, on the other hand, have always had the problem of reconciling a loving God (assuming He is loving to begin with) with the specifically unloving human behavior that is intrinsic to warfare. Sometimes it is based on the idea that wrongdoers and criminals, domestic or cosmic, [[Main/{{Criminals}} lose variably some or all of the protection of God and society because of their bad actions]] and therefore should come quietly or be defeated. There is the philosophy that [[MartialPacifist self defense and the defense of others from bad guys - out of love]] for others - is acceptable and just in God's sight. It must also be understood that soldiers face death every day, and naturally have a vested interest in spiritual pursuits. Also, in general, non-Christian religions portrayed as {{Church Militant}}s are usually [[UnfortunateImplications frowned upon]].

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The moral questions surrounding the idea of religious authorities advocating violence have been around since the beginning of monotheism. Polytheistic religions generally don't result in MoralDissonance, instead delegating war behavior to [[WarGod deities who are specifically devoted to kicking ass]]. Monotheistic religions, on the other hand, have always had the problem of reconciling a loving God (assuming He is loving to begin with) with the specifically unloving human behavior that is intrinsic to warfare. Sometimes it is based on the idea that wrongdoers and criminals, domestic or cosmic, [[Main/{{Criminals}} lose variably some or all of the protection of God and society because of their bad actions]] and therefore should come quietly or be defeated. There is the philosophy that [[MartialPacifist self defense and the defense of others from bad guys - out guys--out of love]] for others - is others--is acceptable and just in God's sight. It must also be understood that soldiers face death every day, and naturally have a vested interest in spiritual pursuits. Also, in general, non-Christian religions portrayed as {{Church Militant}}s are usually [[UnfortunateImplications frowned upon]].



For whatever it's worth, "Church Militant" is a Catholic term for the community of Christians usually meaning Catholics specifically currently engaged in spiritual "warfare" (in Latin, ''militant'' literally means "serving as a soldier") against sin and temptation on Earth i.e, living Christians as opposed to the Church Triumphant, who are enjoying their eternal reward in Heaven, and the Church Expectant or Penitent, who are undergoing temporary purification in Purgatory before upgrading their accommodations.
14th Jan '18 3:24:30 PM florianschild
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* The Payshmura Church in ''Literature/TheRifter'' trains all of their priests in combat forms, and occasionally weaponizes them against the populace. Once sect, the Kalirash'im, takes it to an even greater extreme, [[ScaryTeeth filing their teeth into points]], living in a temple that doubles as a fortress, and worshipping the Rifter, the destroyer aspect of the god Parfir.

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* The Payshmura Church in ''Literature/TheRifter'' trains all of their priests in combat forms, and occasionally weaponizes them against the populace. Once sect, the Kalirash'im, Kahlirash'im, takes it to an even greater extreme, [[ScaryTeeth filing their teeth into points]], living in a temple that doubles as a fortress, and worshipping the Rifter, the destroyer aspect of the god Parfir.
14th Jan '18 3:16:43 PM florianschild
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* The Payshmura Church in ''Literature/TheRifter'' trains all of their priests in combat forms, and occasionally weaponizes them against the populace. Once sect, the Kalirash'im, takes it to an even greater extreme, [[ScaryTeeth filing their teeth into points]], living in a temple that doubles as a fortress, and worshipping the Rifter, the destroyer aspect of the god Parfir.
5th Jan '18 9:18:28 PM nombretomado
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* The nuns from "Blood Sister: One Tough Nun", the fictional movie in the novel InfiniteJest by David Foster Wallace.

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* The nuns from "Blood Sister: One Tough Nun", the fictional movie in the novel InfiniteJest ''Literature/InfiniteJest'' by David Foster Wallace.
3rd Jan '18 7:00:04 PM DustSnitch
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* In ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', there's an entire planet of soldiers who died for God and his Church. Mars is inhabited with a giant squadron of dead martyrs and crusaders who eternally sing God's praise in a perfect formation shaped like the cross.

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* In ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', there's an entire planet of soldiers who died for God and his Church. Mars UsefulNotes/{{Mars}} is inhabited with a giant squadron of dead martyrs and crusaders who eternally sing God's praise in a perfect formation shaped like the cross.
3rd Jan '18 6:59:33 PM DustSnitch
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* In ''Literature/TheDivineComedy'', there's an entire planet of soldiers who died for God and his Church. Mars is inhabited with a giant squadron of dead martyrs and crusaders who eternally sing God's praise in a perfect formation shaped like the cross.
8th Dec '17 11:37:03 AM TheGreatConversation
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* Podcast/DiceFunk: Anne sees herself as this to the church of Avandra, although it is unclear if she is actually carrying out the will of the faith, or just overly eager and violent.

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* Podcast/DiceFunk: ''Podcast/DiceFunk'': Anne sees herself as this to the church of Avandra, although it is unclear if she is actually carrying out the will of the faith, or just overly eager and violent.violent.
* ''Wormwood: A Serialized Mystery'': He's Grail. [[TheNameIsBondJamesbond Bishop Elias Grail]] of the Roman Catholic Church. And he's here to drive all the evil from the town of Wormwood by whatever violent means necessary.
7th Dec '17 4:54:10 PM nombretomado
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* In ''[[{{Franchise/DeadSpace}} Dead Space]]'', by the time of [[{{DeadSpace3}} the third game]], some [[{{ChurchOfHappyology}} Unitologists]] have taken up arms and are activating [[{{ArtifactOfDoom}} Markers]] everywhere they can.

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* In ''[[{{Franchise/DeadSpace}} Dead Space]]'', ''Franchise/DeadSpace'', by the time of [[{{DeadSpace3}} [[VideoGame/DeadSpace3 the third game]], some [[{{ChurchOfHappyology}} [[ChurchOfHappyology Unitologists]] have taken up arms and are activating [[{{ArtifactOfDoom}} [[ArtifactOfDoom Markers]] everywhere they can.
22nd Nov '17 5:17:59 PM nombretomado
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* The Catholic organization Opus Dei as seen through the filter of ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode''. Various RealLife [[ConspiracyTheory conspiracy theories]] place Opus Dei as in league with the Mafia, usually as money-launderers.

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* The Catholic organization Opus Dei as seen through the filter of ''Literature/TheDaVinciCode''. Various RealLife [[ConspiracyTheory conspiracy theories]] UsefulNotes/ConspiracyTheories place Opus Dei as in league with the Mafia, usually as money-launderers.
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