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15th Apr '16 2:13:16 PM SSJMagus
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*** Darth Vader does in fact betray Starkiller shortly later.

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*** Darth Vader does in fact betray Starkiller shortly later. Despite the fact that it would've been very much in Vader's best interest ''not'' to.
14th Apr '16 2:36:30 PM wrm5
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* In the TabletopGame/YuGiOh TCG, some of the Archfiends have effects that destroy other Archfiends when summoned. This is usually a good thing since they have effects that activate when they get destroyed, but it still means your monsters will keep killing each other before turning their attention to the opponent.

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* In the TabletopGame/YuGiOh TCG, some TCG:
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of the Archfiends have effects that destroy other Archfiends when summoned. This is usually a good thing since they have effects that activate when they get destroyed, but it still means your monsters will keep killing each other before turning their attention to the opponent.opponent.
** There's also the Mark of the Rose card, which forces the equipping monster to switch sides every turn, so that it serves whoever's turn it is at the moment.
13th Apr '16 8:47:09 AM SSJMagus
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* ''Comicbook/XWingSeries'' Ysanne Isard. Nominally always working for the Empire, but after the Emperor died, she was just working for herself. Later in the series, Baron Soontir Fel and Gara Petothel are both accused of this. It's untrue on both counts.

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* ''Comicbook/XWingSeries'' Ysanne Isard. Nominally always working for the Empire, but after the Emperor died, she was just working for herself. Despite constantly insisting she had no desire to replace the Emperor, her actions made it clear that she was egotistical enough to consider working for herself and working for the Empire to be the same thing. Later in the series, Baron Soontir Fel and Gara Petothel are both accused of this. It's untrue on both counts.
11th Apr '16 11:56:24 AM Morgenthaler
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* Seems to be the natural state of behavior for the Eleint (dragons),both [[VoluntaryShapeshifting soultaken]] and true, in ''MalazanBookOfTheFallen''. [[spoiler:Several die as a direct result of both failed and successful betrayals.]]

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* Seems to be the natural state of behavior for the Eleint (dragons),both [[VoluntaryShapeshifting soultaken]] and true, in ''MalazanBookOfTheFallen''.''Literature/MalazanBookOfTheFallen''. [[spoiler:Several die as a direct result of both failed and successful betrayals.]]
1st Apr '16 10:18:54 AM ObsidianFire
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** Sasuke changes allegiances/betrays people so often and for so little reason that it's a wonder anyone trusts him anymore. In order, he betrayed [[spoiler:the Leaf Village (along with a personal betrayal of both his teammates); Orochimaru; Itachi's beliefs; Akatsuki; Jugo and Suigetsu; Karin; Sakura (again); White Zetsu; and, near the end of the series, the entire Shinobi world.]] Some of his betrayals are reasonable, but most go along the lines of "if I stay loyal, I don't get anything out of it". [[spoiler:Tobi]] seems to have [[GenreSavvy noticed this trend]] and beat him to the punch by [[spoiler:promising to hand him over to [[MadScientist Kabuto]].]]

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** Sasuke changes allegiances/betrays people so often and for so little reason that it's a wonder anyone trusts him anymore. In order, he betrayed [[spoiler:the Leaf Village (along with a personal betrayal of both his teammates); Orochimaru; Itachi's beliefs; Akatsuki; Jugo and Suigetsu; Karin; Sakura (again); White Zetsu; and, near the end of the series, the entire Shinobi world.]] Some of his betrayals are reasonable, but most go along the lines of "if I stay loyal, I don't get anything out of it". [[spoiler:Tobi]] seems to have [[GenreSavvy noticed this trend]] trend and beat him to the punch by [[spoiler:promising to hand him over to [[MadScientist Kabuto]].]]



** Played with in ''Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis'' - Alex Luthor is GenreSavvy enough to leave the Joker out of his grand scheme, but does it ever come back to bite him in the end, especially when he's been defeated and the Joker's got him cornered in a dark alley...
** ComicBook/LexLuthor is DangerouslyGenreSavvy enough to bring Joker into his villain team-ups without actually trusting him (or anyone else really). Lex knows it's better to let the Joker have his fun while pointing him in the general direction of his enemies. That and Lex actually ''likes'' Joker's sick sense of humor, finding him "strangely compelling company". Lex, on the other hand, ''doesn't'' fit this trope. He does occasionally honor his bargains, which makes the times he doesn't that much harder to expect.

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** Played with in ''Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis'' - Alex Luthor is GenreSavvy smart enough to leave the Joker out of his grand scheme, but does it ever come back to bite him in the end, especially when he's been defeated and the Joker's got him cornered in a dark alley...
** ComicBook/LexLuthor is DangerouslyGenreSavvy smart enough to bring Joker into his villain team-ups without actually trusting him (or anyone else really). Lex knows it's better to let the Joker have his fun while pointing him in the general direction of his enemies. That and Lex actually ''likes'' Joker's sick sense of humor, finding him "strangely compelling company". Lex, on the other hand, ''doesn't'' fit this trope. He does occasionally honor his bargains, which makes the times he doesn't that much harder to expect.



* [[MeaningfulName Doubledealer]], especially in ''ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW'' is a (Power)master of constant, shameless treachery. Sell out his teammates and lead them to their deaths? Scam other Autobots, including Optimus Prime? Short-change the Decepticons by holding off giving up really important pieces of info as well as the all-knowing MacGuffin they're all after? Doubledealer's only loyalty is to himself and he has no qualms about cheating either side of the war. In the IDW run, Hot Rod is finally GenreSavvy enough to figure out that 'Dealer' isn't all he's cracked up to be and repays Doubledealer's treachery by shooting him off the mountain they're on, just moments before Doubledealer was going to literally shoot him in the back. Doubledealer falls down the ''entire'' height of the mountain and explodes when he hits the bottom.

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* [[MeaningfulName Doubledealer]], especially in ''ComicBook/TheTransformersIDW'' is a (Power)master of constant, shameless treachery. Sell out his teammates and lead them to their deaths? Scam other Autobots, including Optimus Prime? Short-change the Decepticons by holding off giving up really important pieces of info as well as the all-knowing MacGuffin they're all after? Doubledealer's only loyalty is to himself and he has no qualms about cheating either side of the war. In the IDW run, Hot Rod is finally GenreSavvy smart enough to figure out that 'Dealer' isn't all he's cracked up to be and repays Doubledealer's treachery by shooting him off the mountain they're on, just moments before Doubledealer was going to literally shoot him in the back. Doubledealer falls down the ''entire'' height of the mountain and explodes when he hits the bottom.



* Lu Bu of ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' manages this in truly appalling fashion. The Reader's Digest version would go: murdered his master for a horse, murdered his next master for a 16 year old girl, became a rebellious warlord, betrayed his friend Liu Bei, and finally tried to sell his services to his sworn enemy Cao Cao. Cao, being a MagnificentBastard and DangerouslyGenreSavvy, said simply, "Strangle and expose."

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* Lu Bu of ''Literature/RomanceOfTheThreeKingdoms'' manages this in truly appalling fashion. The Reader's Digest version would go: murdered his master for a horse, murdered his next master for a 16 year old girl, became a rebellious warlord, betrayed his friend Liu Bei, and finally tried to sell his services to his sworn enemy Cao Cao. Cao, being a MagnificentBastard and DangerouslyGenreSavvy, MagnificentBastard, said simply, "Strangle and expose."



*** "The Daleks' Master Plan" is an extreme example, where the inevitability of the Daleks' betrayal of Mavik Chen - the Daleks announce it to the audience and to each other every couple of episodes and [[GenreSavvy even Chen seems to know they're going to do it]] - leads to much of the tension being 'how long can Chen keep them convinced he's still useful?'

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*** "The Daleks' Master Plan" is an extreme example, where the inevitability of the Daleks' betrayal of Mavik Chen - the Daleks announce it to the audience and to each other every couple of episodes and [[GenreSavvy even Chen seems to know they're going to do it]] it - leads to much of the tension being 'how long can Chen keep them convinced he's still useful?'



*** The Doctor is very GenreSavvy about it in "Death to the Daleks", where he explains to the supporting characters that even though they're working with the Daleks, the Daleks are ''definitely'' going to try to stab them in the back at some point, because that's all they ever do.

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*** The Doctor is very GenreSavvy knows about it in "Death to the Daleks", where he explains to the supporting characters that even though they're working with the Daleks, the Daleks are ''definitely'' going to try to stab them in the back at some point, because that's all they ever do.
29th Mar '16 3:21:55 PM Escher
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* According to the histories of the Roman empire by Tacitus, Suitonius, Plutarch, and the others, the Roman general Aulus Caecina Alienus was a victim of this condition in the famous Year of Four Emperors. After the suicide of Emperor Nero, Caecina attached himself to the soon-to-be-Emperor Galba, hoping to ride that rising star. When Caecina was caught embezzling (and it turned out Galba's lack of public relations sense meant his star was going nowhere fast), he switched sides for Betrayal #1, and started backing Vitellius's uprising up in the Rhine lands. By the time Vitellius got his army to Italy, Galba had already been murdered and replaced by Otho, but Vitellius didn't see much point in stopping just for that, defeated Otho, and took Rome for himself, with Caecina right beside him. Vitellius then sent Caecina to Egypt to put down the uprising surrounding the future emperor Vespasian, at which point Caecina promptly switched sides again (Betrayal #2) to back Vespasian's attempt on Rome. But his own troops didn't flip with him, and threw him in chains instead. Eventually Vespasian did win, and released Caecina, who thanked him by almost immediately joining in on Eprius Marcellus's conspiracy to murder Vespasian (Betrayal #3), which failed and ended up with everyone involved being executed. Even the historians of the time said Caecina "could remain loyal to no man".

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* According to the histories of the Roman empire by Tacitus, Suitonius, Plutarch, and the others, the Roman general Aulus Caecina Alienus was a victim of this condition in the famous Year of Four Emperors. After the suicide of Emperor Nero, Caecina attached himself to the soon-to-be-Emperor Galba, hoping to ride that rising star. When Caecina was caught embezzling (and it turned out Emperor Galba's lack of public relations sense meant his star was going nowhere fast), more of a meteor), he switched sides for Betrayal #1, and started backing Vitellius's uprising up in the Rhine lands. By the time Vitellius got his army to Italy, Galba had already been murdered and replaced by Emperor Otho, but Vitellius didn't see much point in stopping just for that, defeated Otho, and took Rome for himself, with Caecina right beside him. Vitellius then sent Caecina to Egypt to put down the uprising surrounding the future emperor then-General Vespasian, at which point Caecina promptly switched sides again (Betrayal #2) to back Vespasian's attempt on Rome. But his own troops didn't flip with him, and threw him in chains instead. Eventually Vespasian did win, win and released Caecina, who thanked him by almost immediately joining in on Eprius Marcellus's conspiracy to murder Emperor Vespasian (Betrayal #3), which failed and ended up with everyone involved being executed. Even the historians of the time said Caecina "could remain loyal to no man".
29th Mar '16 3:18:45 PM Escher
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* According to the histories of the Roman empire by Tacitus, Suitonius, Plutarch, and the others, the Roman general Aulus Caecina Alienus was a victim of this condition in the famous Year of Four Emperors. After the suicide of Emperor Nero, Caecina attached himself to the soon-to-be-Emperor Galba, hoping to ride that rising star. When Caecina was caught embezzling (and it turned out Galba's lack of public relations sense meant his star was going nowhere fast), he switched sides for Betrayal #1, and started backing Vitellius's uprising up in the Rhine lands. By the time Vitellius got his army to Italy, Galba had already been murdered and replaced by Otho, but Vitellius didn't see much point in stopping just for that, defeated Otho, and took Rome for himself, with Caecina right beside him. Vitellius then sent Caecina to Egypt to put down the uprising surrounding the future emperor Vespasian, at which point Caecina promptly switched sides again (Betrayal #2) to back Vespasian's attempt on Rome. But his own troops didn't flip with him, and threw him in chains instead. Eventually Vespasian did win, and released Caecina, who thanked him by almost immediately joining in on Eprius Marcellus's conspiracy to murder Vespasian (Betrayal #3), which failed and ended up with everyone involved being executed. Even the historians of the time said Caecina "could remain loyal to no man".
13th Mar '16 10:37:20 PM MJC
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** Sasuke changes allegiances/betrays people so often and for so little reason that it's a wonder anyone trusts him anymore. In order, he betrayed [[spoiler:the Leaf Village (along with a personal betrayal of both his teammates); Orochimaru; Itachi's beliefs; Akatsuki; Jugo and Suigetsu; Karin; Sakura (again); and White Zetsu.]] Some of his betrayals are reasonable, but most go along the lines of "if I stay loyal, I don't get anything out of it". [[spoiler:Tobi]] seems to have [[GenreSavvy noticed this trend]] and beat him to the punch by [[spoiler:promising to hand him over to [[MadScientist Kabuto]].]]

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** Sasuke changes allegiances/betrays people so often and for so little reason that it's a wonder anyone trusts him anymore. In order, he betrayed [[spoiler:the Leaf Village (along with a personal betrayal of both his teammates); Orochimaru; Itachi's beliefs; Akatsuki; Jugo and Suigetsu; Karin; Sakura (again); and White Zetsu.Zetsu; and, near the end of the series, the entire Shinobi world.]] Some of his betrayals are reasonable, but most go along the lines of "if I stay loyal, I don't get anything out of it". [[spoiler:Tobi]] seems to have [[GenreSavvy noticed this trend]] and beat him to the punch by [[spoiler:promising to hand him over to [[MadScientist Kabuto]].]]
13th Mar '16 11:05:46 AM nombretomado
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* ''HisDarkMaterials'' - Marisa Coulter. Spends an awful lot of time trying to capture her daughter, Lyra. Then it turns out that she was trying to protect her. Then she finds out about the prophecy. Then she starts trying to capture her again, with the help of some old guy. Then she poisons him and kidnaps Lyra to protect her from the Church, who want to kill her. Then Lyra escapes and Marisa goes over to Lord Asriel's side (the people who want to destroy the Church). Then she betrays him and defects back to the Church. Then she stops the Church from destroying Lyra and it turns out that her only intention was to stab them in the back. Then she helps kill the angel who has taken God's place, overthrowing the Authority in all worlds forever. Then she dies.

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* ''HisDarkMaterials'' ''Literature/HisDarkMaterials'' - Marisa Coulter. Spends an awful lot of time trying to capture her daughter, Lyra. Then it turns out that she was trying to protect her. Then she finds out about the prophecy. Then she starts trying to capture her again, with the help of some old guy. Then she poisons him and kidnaps Lyra to protect her from the Church, who want to kill her. Then Lyra escapes and Marisa goes over to Lord Asriel's side (the people who want to destroy the Church). Then she betrays him and defects back to the Church. Then she stops the Church from destroying Lyra and it turns out that her only intention was to stab them in the back. Then she helps kill the angel who has taken God's place, overthrowing the Authority in all worlds forever. Then she dies.



* ''ConanTheBarbarian'': How does Conan justifies himself in Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/TheValeOfLostWomen"? Everyone does it here:

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* ''ConanTheBarbarian'': ''Literature/ConanTheBarbarian'': How does Conan justifies himself in Creator/RobertEHoward's "Literature/TheValeOfLostWomen"? Everyone does it here:
9th Mar '16 10:00:23 AM PlasmaTalon
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** Roodaka, especially because she betrayed BOTH SIDES in the Makuta/Dark Hunters war.

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** Roodaka, especially because she betrayed BOTH SIDES in the Makuta/Dark Hunters war. Her name has actually become Matoran slang for betrayal.
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