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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', in the last episodes it is revealed that ancient aliens crashed on Gravity Falls long ago. And one character muses if the spaceship crash caused all the weird things that happen on the place, or if all the weird things there caused the spaceship to crash.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', in [[Recap/GravityFallsS2E17DipperAndMabelVsTheFuture "Dipper and Mabel vs. the last episodes Future"]] it is revealed that ancient aliens crashed on Gravity Falls long ago. And one character muses During a mision with Dipper, Ford starts pondering if the spaceship crash caused all the weird things that happen on the place, or if all the weird things there caused the spaceship to crash.
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* ''VideoGame/AlanWake'' has a big one. To escape an eldritch abomination called the Dark Presence beneath a small town lake, Alan, a professional writer, writes a story about his escape, and he finds manuscript pages throughout with describing events he has already experienced or is about to experience. A subplot involves a poet named Thomas Zane who was in the same scenario as Alan decades earlier who apparently wrote his writing out of existence to temporarily stop the Dark Presence. [[spoiler:Near the end of the game, Alan finds a manuscript page that apparently Zane wrote about Alan decades before Alan arrived but still matches what Alan is going through like his own manuscripts. It introduces the question of whether Alan is a creation of Zane to stop the Dark Presence once and for all, if Zane is a creation of Alan's that Alan somehow retroactively wrote into existence in his story, or possibly if they somehow wrote each other into existence.]] The sequel only adds more questions with the reveal that [[spoiler:Thomas Zane (or at least a person claiming to be Zane within the Dark Presence's realm) looks ''exactly'' like Alan (and is now known as a film maker for some reason) and that Zane (in NG+) meets a man with the same voice as Alan who teams up with Zane for some sort of project.]]
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** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleOfAges'' has a couple opportunities to combine it with TimeTravel to create a BootstrapParadox. One part of the ChainOfDeals to get the Noble Sword is to trade for a Goron's family heirloom; you then trade this vase to his ancestor in the past, which the ancestor then passes down to his descendants, creating a vase of infinite age with no point of origin.

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** ''VideoGame/TheLegendOfZeldaOracleOfAges'' ''Oracle of Ages'' has a couple opportunities to combine it with TimeTravel to create a BootstrapParadox. One part of the ChainOfDeals to get the Noble Sword is to trade for a Goron's family heirloom; you then trade this vase to his ancestor in the past, which the ancestor then passes down to his descendants, creating a vase of infinite age with no point of origin.
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* {{Exploited}} in ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries''. Joey tells Serenity to overload Super Giga Mecha Nesbitt's logic circuits and confuse him to death. She tries using this specific paradox on him as an attempted LogicBomb; [[TakeAThirdOption however, he responds with "The rocket powered fist,"]] which Serenity objects to, [[RocketPunch until he launches]] [[TalkToTheFist such a fist at her]].

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* {{Exploited}} {{Exploited|Trope}} in ''WebVideo/YuGiOhTheAbridgedSeries''. Joey tells Serenity to overload Super Giga Mecha Nesbitt's logic circuits and confuse him to death. She tries using this specific paradox on him as an attempted LogicBomb; [[TakeAThirdOption however, he responds with "The rocket powered fist,"]] which Serenity objects to, [[RocketPunch until he launches]] [[TalkToTheFist such a fist at her]].
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* ''WebVideo/ASAPScience'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a8pI65emDE This]] video takes the "chicken" question and [[LiteralMinded answers it literally]], determining that the egg came first. The reason is because centuries ago, two "proto-chickens" would have mated and, due to genetic mutations, produced the first chicken egg.
* Creator/JonBois discusses this in part 2 of his ''Dorktown'' series [[https://youtu.be/wSjf3AjM7jY?t=1285 "The Story of Dave Steib"]], alleging that sports journalists [[Main/AwardSnub denied Dave Stieb the Cy Young Award]] because he was rude and dismissive to them--and that Dave was rude to sports journalists because they robbed him of the Cy Young Award.

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* ''WebVideo/ASAPScience'': ''WebVideo/AsapSCIENCE'': [[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1a8pI65emDE This]] video takes the "chicken" question and [[LiteralMinded answers it literally]], determining that the [[spoiler:the egg came first. first]]. The reason is because centuries [[spoiler:centuries ago, two "proto-chickens" would have mated and, due to genetic mutations, produced the first chicken egg.
which hatched from an egg]].
* Creator/JonBois discusses this in part 2 of his ''Dorktown'' series [[https://youtu.be/wSjf3AjM7jY?t=1285 "The Story of Dave Steib"]], alleging that sports journalists [[Main/AwardSnub denied Dave Stieb the Cy Young Award]] because he was rude and dismissive to them--and them -- and that Dave was rude to sports journalists because they robbed him of the Cy Young Award.
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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(compilers) Bootstrapping]] refers to the creation of self-compiling compilers for a given UsefulNotes/ProgrammingLanguage: in other words, compilers able to compile their own source code. Methods include using an intermediate compiler made in another language[[note]]For example, Niklaus Wirth reported that he wrote the first Pascal compiler in Fortran[[/note]], writing intermediate compilers in a subset of the targeted language, compiling on another platform or even writing the compiler ''by hand'' in machine code.

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* [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bootstrapping_(compilers) Bootstrapping]] refers to the creation of self-compiling compilers for a given UsefulNotes/ProgrammingLanguage: MediaNotes/ProgrammingLanguage: in other words, compilers able to compile their own source code. Methods include using an intermediate compiler made in another language[[note]]For example, Niklaus Wirth reported that he wrote the first Pascal compiler in Fortran[[/note]], writing intermediate compilers in a subset of the targeted language, compiling on another platform or even writing the compiler ''by hand'' in machine code.
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The TropeNamer, which has become a StockJoke, originated as an [[OlderThanFeudalism ancient thought experiment]] first recorded by Creator/{{Aristotle}}: the chicken lays the egg, but it also hatches from it, resulting in a seemingly infinite cycle of chicken ➡ egg ➡ chicken ➡ egg. Aristotle and his successors considered this a key ontological mystery of the nature of the universe; in later years people tended to invoke DivineIntervention to explain it. [[ScienceMarchesOn The advent of modern biology ruined the postulate]]: the [[LiteralMetaphor literal answer]] to the original question is that the egg came first, on the grounds that eggs predate the UsefulNotes/{{evolution}} of chickens.

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The TropeNamer, {{Trope Namer|s}}, which has become a StockJoke, originated as an [[OlderThanFeudalism ancient thought experiment]] first recorded by Creator/{{Aristotle}}: the chicken lays the egg, but it also hatches from it, resulting in a seemingly infinite cycle of chicken ➡ egg ➡ chicken ➡ egg. Aristotle and his successors considered this a key ontological mystery of the nature of the universe; in later years people tended to invoke DivineIntervention to explain it. [[ScienceMarchesOn The advent of modern biology ruined the postulate]]: the [[LiteralMetaphor literal answer]] to the original question is that the egg came first, on the grounds that eggs predate the UsefulNotes/{{evolution}} of chickens.
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The TropeNamer is an [[OlderThanFeudalism ancient thought experiment]] first recorded by Creator/{{Aristotle}}: the chicken lays the egg, but it also hatches from it, resulting in a seemingly infinite cycle of chicken ➡ egg ➡ chicken ➡ egg. Aristotle and his successors considered this a key ontological mystery of the nature of the universe; in later years people tended to invoke DivineIntervention to explain it. [[ScienceMarchesOn The advent of modern biology ruined the postulate]]: the [[LiteralMetaphor literal answer]] to the original question is that the egg came first, on the grounds that eggs predate the UsefulNotes/{{evolution}} of chickens.

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The TropeNamer is TropeNamer, which has become a StockJoke, originated as an [[OlderThanFeudalism ancient thought experiment]] first recorded by Creator/{{Aristotle}}: the chicken lays the egg, but it also hatches from it, resulting in a seemingly infinite cycle of chicken ➡ egg ➡ chicken ➡ egg. Aristotle and his successors considered this a key ontological mystery of the nature of the universe; in later years people tended to invoke DivineIntervention to explain it. [[ScienceMarchesOn The advent of modern biology ruined the postulate]]: the [[LiteralMetaphor literal answer]] to the original question is that the egg came first, on the grounds that eggs predate the UsefulNotes/{{evolution}} of chickens.
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* ''Anime/JuuniSenshiBakuretsuEtoRanger'': [[SillySimian Monk]] and [[HeroicDog Pochiro]] will turn literally anything into an argument, so when the unsolvable Trope Namer comes up, naturally they'd snap at each other about it. Their teammates suggest asking Tart, the Zodiac Chicken Spirit, might settle the debate. Of course she'd know about her own species's origins, right...? [[spoiler:She doesn't.]]
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->''"Words have meaning, and names have power. The universe begun with a word, you know. But which came first: the word, or the thought behind the word? You can't create language without thought, and you can't conceive a thought without language. So which created the other and, thus, created the universe?"''

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->''"Words have meaning, and names have power. The universe begun began with a word, you know. But which came first: the word, or the thought behind the word? You can't create language without thought, and you can't conceive a thought without language. So which created the other and, thus, created the universe?"''
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* Face it... nobody came until the rooster did.
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* ''PsycheWard'': When Taylor sees a "mental cobweb" in Basic Braining, she notes how it's another LiteralMetaphor and wonders if they pick their names for these phenomena based on what they are, or if they form in shapes based on how people think about mental processes. Oleander tells her that that's ''advanced'' Psychonaut business.

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* ''PsycheWard'': ''Fanfic/PsycheWard'': When Taylor sees a "mental cobweb" in Basic Braining, she notes how it's another LiteralMetaphor and wonders if they pick their names for these phenomena based on what they are, or if they form in shapes based on how people think about mental processes. Oleander tells her that that's ''advanced'' Psychonaut business.
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*''PsycheWard'': When Taylor sees a "mental cobweb" in Basic Braining, she notes how it's another LiteralMetaphor and wonders if they pick their names for these phenomena based on what they are, or if they form in shapes based on how people think about mental processes. Oleander tells her that that's ''advanced'' Psychonaut business.
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