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17th Sep '16 4:29:52 AM Morgenthaler
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* This was discussed in a video of ''AndrewKlavanOnTheCulture'' where the opposing argument can supposedly be defeated simply by telling them to shut up, as if preventing them from speaking their point of view immediately invalidates it.

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* This was discussed in a video of ''AndrewKlavanOnTheCulture'' ''WebVideo/AndrewKlavanOnTheCulture'' where the opposing argument can supposedly be defeated simply by telling them to shut up, as if preventing them from speaking their point of view immediately invalidates it.
14th Sep '16 6:24:42 PM PugBuddies
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* In his defense of James "Jimmy Youngblood" Smith, on trial for the murder of Ian Campbell, [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irving_Kanarek defense attorney Irving Kanarek]] frequently attempted to end debates and questioning by asking the same question over and over, in hopes the judge would grow exasperated and back down. His antics not only drove at least one prosecutor from his profession in disgust, but led Charles Manson to request him as an attorney during his own trial.
5th Sep '16 3:04:39 PM woohooligan
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* Being hit rapid-fire with so many bogus arguments that you can't keep up unless you write them all down and painstakingly address them one at a time. This lets the other debater claim your failure to answer a few points as proof that you ''couldn't'' answer. Also known as a "Gish Gallop". It is named after Duane Gish, a debater who was known for using this tactic.

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* Being hit rapid-fire with so many bogus arguments that you can't keep up unless you write them all down and painstakingly address them one at a time. This lets the other debater claim your failure to answer a few points as proof that you ''couldn't'' answer. Also known as a [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop "Gish Gallop". Gallop"]]. It is named after [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Gish#Debates Duane Gish, Gish]], a debater who was known for using this tactic.



* Among the atheist and agnostic community, this kind of argument is often referred to as a [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop Gish Gallop]], named after Creationist, biochemist, and professional debater Duane Gish, who was well known for using the Chewbacca Defense against evolutionists. His typical method of winning a debate was making sure he was first to speak, rapidly firing off a massive number of points of questionable scientific validity which his opponent couldn't possibly have time to address individually, and claiming a win if as few as one of his arguments remain unaddressed. Worth noting, he still tried this in his debate against Michael Shermer. Shermer went first when debating him and not only explained why all Gish's questions were wrong and how his quotes were all out of context, he even stole all his jokes. Gish then gave the same speech he always gave and declared himself the winner.

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* Among the atheist and agnostic community, this kind of argument is often referred to as a [[http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Gish_Gallop Gish Gallop]], "Gish Gallop"]], named after Creationist, biochemist, and professional debater [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duane_Gish#Debates Duane Gish, Gish]], who was well known for using the Chewbacca Defense against evolutionists. His typical method of winning a debate was making sure he was first to speak, rapidly firing off a massive number of points of questionable scientific validity which his opponent couldn't possibly have time to address individually, and claiming a win if as few as one of his arguments remain unaddressed. Worth noting, he still tried this in his debate against Michael Shermer. Shermer went first when debating him and not only explained why all Gish's questions were wrong and how his quotes were all out of context, he even stole all his jokes. Gish then gave the same speech he always gave and declared himself the winner.
29th Aug '16 8:41:18 AM VVK
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* [[WontTakeYesForAnAnswer Interrupting your opponent and/or talking about nonsense purely to delay and lengthen the debate (a.k.a. "filibustering")]]. Common in democratic debate, but dictatorships only bother when they're too weak to silence their opposition outright.[[note]]The only thing dictatorships have in common is their ability, and ''need'', to control their own public image. Even the weakest and most corrupt BananaRepublic can at least intimidate their conventional news-media into self-censorship -- a little intimidation goes a long way when you know where to find these people and are free to do whatever you like to them.[[/note]]

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* [[WontTakeYesForAnAnswer Interrupting your opponent and/or talking about nonsense purely to delay and lengthen the debate (a.k.a. "filibustering")]]."filibustering"). Common in democratic debate, but dictatorships only bother when they're too weak to silence their opposition outright.[[note]]The only thing dictatorships have in common is their ability, and ''need'', to control their own public image. Even the weakest and most corrupt BananaRepublic can at least intimidate their conventional news-media into self-censorship -- a little intimidation goes a long way when you know where to find these people and are free to do whatever you like to them.[[/note]]
8th Aug '16 9:42:53 AM Morgenthaler
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* ''AmericaTheBook'' lampshades this process with one of the most interesting moments in Senate history.

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* ''AmericaTheBook'' ''Literature/AmericaTheBook'' lampshades this process with one of the most interesting moments in Senate history.
3rd Aug '16 9:01:16 AM ironballs16
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'''Nick''': Whoa, Joey I'm never wrong.\\

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'''Nick''': Whoa, Joey Well Joey, I'm never wrong.\\
3rd Aug '16 8:56:29 AM ironballs16
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-->'''Joey Naylor''': ...so what happens when you're wrong?\\

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-->'''Joey Naylor''': ...-->'''Joey''': ...so what happens when you're wrong?\\
3rd Aug '16 8:56:20 AM ironballs16
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-->'''Nick:''' Okay, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavor of ice cream', you'd say:\\

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-->'''Nick:''' -->'''Joey Naylor''': ...so what happens when you're wrong?\\
'''Nick''': Whoa, Joey I'm never wrong.\\
'''Joey''': But you can't always be right...\\
'''Nick''': Well, if it's your job to be right, then you're never wrong.\\
'''Joey''': But what if you are wrong?\\
'''Nick:'''
Okay, let's say that you're defending chocolate, and I'm defending vanilla. Now if I were to say to you: 'Vanilla is the best flavor of ice cream', you'd say:\\
22nd Jun '16 6:50:39 PM delightfulCheshire
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** This is not only limited to TheOtherWiki: because they are edited by users who inevitably don't all share the same opinions, any wiki can devolve into a shouting match where the most opinionated side is deemed the right one.

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** This is not only limited to TheOtherWiki: because they are edited by users who inevitably don't all share the same opinions, [[RuleOfCautiousEditingJudgement any wiki wiki]] can devolve into a shouting match where the most opinionated side is deemed the right one.
26th May '16 3:11:35 AM PF
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* ''Film/ThankYouForSmoking'' provides an excellent example of this trope when the protagonist, a pro-tobacco lobbyist, demonstrates this debate technique to his son.

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* ''Film/ThankYouForSmoking'' provides an excellent example of this trope when the protagonist, a pro-tobacco lobbyist, demonstrates this debate technique to his son.son:



** While still on ''Series/TheDailyShow'', the ''Even Stevens'' bits which he performed along with Creator/SteveCarell were excellent parodies of this trope. The bits would begin with one of the Stevens saying the question under debate, followed by both alternating ''YES!'' or ''NO!'' as loudly as possible.

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** While still on ''Series/TheDailyShow'', the ''Even Stevens'' bits which he performed along with Creator/SteveCarell were excellent parodies of this trope.this. The bits would begin with one of the Stevens saying the question under debate, followed by both alternating ''YES!'' or ''NO!'' as loudly as possible.



** Earning a discount, Renegade style.

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** Earning a discount, Renegade style.style:
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