History Main / CerebusRetCon

13th Aug '17 6:03:00 AM RedScharlach
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** Back in [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks the Silver Age]], Hal Jordan seemed to have the ''least'' dramatic backstory of any DC superhero: he was a cocky, handsome, all-American [[AcePilot test pilot]] who spent his free time trying to woo his boss' daughter, and was on uncannily good terms with his family. But Creator/GeoffJohns' post-Crisis run went into a bit more detail about Hal's background, and revealed that his arrogance actually masks [[SadClown some truly sad experiences]]. For starters, he saw his father die in a test flight when he was just a child, and [[IconicOutfit his brown bomber jacket]] is actually a memento of his father. For another thing, his mother disowned him after he ran away from home to join the Air Force on his 18th birthday, and refused to speak to Hal on her deathbed. This led a guilt-ridden Hal to intentionally get himself kicked out of the Air Force by punching his commanding officer so he could speak to her. But he arrived too late and she died of cancer. Hal's brother Jack blamed him for driving her to an early grave. [[MyGreatestFailure That mistake]] is the reason Hal got his job as a test pilot for Ferris Aircraft, since they were the only aviation company that would hire him after his dishonorable discharge.

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** Back in [[TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks the Silver Age]], Hal Jordan seemed to have the ''least'' dramatic backstory of any DC superhero: he was a cocky, handsome, all-American [[AcePilot test pilot]] who spent his free time trying to woo his boss' boss's daughter, and was on uncannily good terms with his family. But Creator/GeoffJohns' post-Crisis run went into a bit more detail about Hal's background, and revealed that his arrogance actually masks [[SadClown some truly sad experiences]]. For starters, he saw his father die in a test flight when he was just a child, and [[IconicOutfit his brown bomber jacket]] is actually a memento of his father. For another thing, his mother disowned him after he ran away from home to join the Air Force on his 18th birthday, and refused to speak to Hal on her deathbed. This led a guilt-ridden Hal to intentionally get himself kicked out of the Air Force by punching his commanding officer so he could speak to her. But he arrived too late and she died of cancer. Hal's brother Jack blamed him for driving her to an early grave. [[MyGreatestFailure That mistake]] is the reason Hal got his job as a test pilot for Ferris Aircraft, since they were the only aviation company that would hire him after his dishonorable discharge.



** Han Solo's ArbitrarySkepticism towards the Force and Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope'' take on new meaning after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where he goes through a similar pattern of a mentor that lost someone he cared for to the Dark Side [[spoiler: to the point of dying at the hands of Kylo Ren; who was once Ben Solo before he was corrupted by Supreme Leader Snoke]].

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** Han Solo's ArbitrarySkepticism towards the Force and Obi-Wan in ''A New Hope'' take on new meaning after ''Film/TheForceAwakens'', where he goes through a similar pattern of a mentor that lost someone he cared for to the Dark Side [[spoiler: to the point of dying at the hands of Kylo Ren; Ren, who was once Ben Solo before he was corrupted by Supreme Leader Snoke]].



* In Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory'', Willy Wonka always seems to stop short and becomes hesitate whenever he is about to say "parent", which is initially played up as one of his (multiple) [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} eccentricities]]. Then we find out about his [[spoiler: FreudianExcuse (which doesn't exist in the books): he is estranged from his father, a strict dentist who didn't allow him to even eat a single candy. This experience motivated him to start the whole chocolate business, actually.]]

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* In Creator/TimBurton's ''Film/CharlieAndTheChocolateFactory'', Willy Wonka always seems to stop short and becomes hesitate hesitant whenever he is about to say "parent", which is initially played up as one of his (multiple) [[{{Cloudcuckoolander}} eccentricities]]. Then we find out about his [[spoiler: FreudianExcuse (which doesn't exist in the books): he is estranged from his father, a strict dentist who didn't allow him to even eat a single candy. This experience motivated him to start the whole chocolate business, actually.]]



* Creator/JRRTolkien did this with ''Literature/TheHobbit''. Bilbo recovers a magic ring from Gollum's cave after winning a riddle contest. While the original story did make plain that Bilbo was riddling for his life, the ring he retrieves is later treated as a precious prize, saving his life several times and leading to his happy ending. Years later, when it was time to release ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', Tolkien retconned the story (actually ''[[ReWrite rewriting]]'' ''The Hobbit'') to tie in with the nature of the Ring as a malicious artifact made of pure evil that was using Bilbo to escape Gollum's ownership. The existence of the first edition of ''Literature/TheHobbit'' was even deconstructed: it records ''Bilbo's lies'' about how he got the Ring and what it was like.

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* Creator/JRRTolkien did this with ''Literature/TheHobbit''. Bilbo recovers a magic ring from Gollum's cave after winning a riddle contest. While the original story did make it plain that Bilbo was riddling for his life, the ring he retrieves is later treated as a precious prize, saving his life several times and leading to his happy ending. Years later, when it was time to release ''Literature/TheLordOfTheRings'', Tolkien retconned the story (actually ''[[ReWrite rewriting]]'' ''The Hobbit'') to tie in with the nature of the Ring as a malicious artifact made of pure evil that was using Bilbo to escape Gollum's ownership. The existence of the first edition of ''Literature/TheHobbit'' was even deconstructed: it records ''Bilbo's lies'' about how he got the Ring and what it was like.



** Thirteen year old girl Sophie tells a couple of stories about her grandfather Bompie. Most stories end with Bompie ending up in the water, where "he was frightened, was nearly pulled under, had to struggle hard and long to get out, after which his father gave him a whipping and his mother gave him a pie", which at that moment was more funny than actually scary. But in the end of the book, we learn that [[spoiler:this ending is imagined by Sophie. When she was four, her family was caught by a storm during sailing, their boat sunk, her parents died and she had to swim hours to reach the shore, all alone. For her, this wasn't funny, it was her PrimalFear]].

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** Thirteen year old Thirteen-year-old girl Sophie tells a couple of stories about her grandfather Bompie. Most stories end with Bompie ending up in the water, where "he was frightened, was nearly pulled under, had to struggle hard and long to get out, after which his father gave him a whipping and his mother gave him a pie", which at that moment was more funny than actually scary. But in the end of the book, we learn that [[spoiler:this ending is imagined by Sophie. When she was four, her family was caught by a storm during sailing, their boat sunk, her parents died and she had to swim hours to reach the shore, all alone. For her, this wasn't funny, it was her PrimalFear]].



* It isn't exactly comedy, but the subplot in the first episode of ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' about Angela Petrelli getting arrested for shoplifting socks and her sons bailing her out is certainly pretty lighthearted. That is, until Volume 4 rolls around. In the episode 1961, we learn that Angela had a sister who she left when she was a child, regretting it ever since. We also learn that whenever she finds herself missing her sister particularly bad, she, you guessed it, steals socks. Suddenly, that lighthearted moment in the series premier seems a lot more disturbing.

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* It isn't exactly comedy, but the subplot in the first episode of ''Series/{{Heroes}}'' about Angela Petrelli getting arrested for shoplifting socks and her sons bailing her out is certainly pretty lighthearted. That is, until Volume 4 rolls around. In the episode 1961, we learn that Angela had a sister who she left when she was a child, regretting it ever since. We also learn that whenever she finds herself missing her sister particularly bad, badly, she, you guessed it, steals socks. Suddenly, that lighthearted moment in the series premier seems a lot more disturbing.
12th Aug '17 6:30:09 PM Samothrace42
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* ''VideoGame/Fallout4'': When [[PlayerCharacter the Sole Survivor]] [[FishOutOfTemporalWater escapes from]] [[HumanPopsicle Vault 111]] and meets back up with their robotic butler [[TheJeeves Codsworth]] [[TheSlowPath after 210 years]], the reunion comes across as [[BlackComedy darkly hilarious]] and a relative [[BreatherEpisode Breather Episode]] after the ''exceptionally'' dark [[TraumaCongaLine intro sequence]]. To further elaborate, this reunion has Codsworth [[ComicallyMissingThePoint complaining about the futility of dusting a collapsed house]] and [[NeatFreak how he couldn't wax]] ''radioactive fallout'' [[AbsurdlyDedicatedWorker out of vinyl wood floors]] instead of [[GoMadFromTheIsolation going insane/psychotic]] [[AIIsACrapshoot like most other Pre-War robots in the series]]. However, if the Survivor has Codsworth join them as a companion throughout their journeys in the Commonwealth and sufficiently raises their affinity level, Codsworth will reflect [[HiddenDepths far more seriously]] on the intervening decades. He admits that he nearly gave up on the hope that ''anyone'' would've come out of Vault 111 while [[UndyingLoyalty he waited patiently for his master/master's family to return]]. [[StepfordSmiler Codsworth]] also claims to have seen [[ShaggyDogStory countless innocent people either get torn to shreds by the Wasteland]] or [[HeWhoFightsMonsters resort to truly horrific means to survive]]... and all of that only makes Codsworth [[SoProudOfYou more and more impressed]] with the Sole Survivor for staying a good person.



** The Ratman's CompanionCube-related scrawlings in the first game are amusing (if a bit unsettling) because it's hard to imagine what sort of person would be that attached to an inanimate box. The ''Lab Rat'' [[ComicBookAdaptation tie-in comic]] reveals that Doug Rattmann was a [[TheWoobie formerly medicated schizophrenic,]] that his Companion Cube ''really was'' his [[AnimateInanimateObject only friend]], and that he ultimately sacrificed everything to save Chell's life.

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** The Ratman's CompanionCube-related scrawlings in the first game are amusing (if a bit unsettling) because it's hard to imagine what sort of person would be that attached to an inanimate box. The ''Lab Rat'' [[ComicBookAdaptation tie-in comic]] reveals that Doug Rattmann was a [[TheWoobie formerly medicated schizophrenic,]] that his Companion Cube ''really was'' his [[AnimateInanimateObject only friend]], and that he ultimately sacrificed everything to save Chell's [[TheHero Chell's]] life.
3rd Aug '17 11:27:49 AM hubakon1368
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* In the Mexican web animation ''WebAnimation/{{Negas}}'', the [[AxCrazy Pinchimono]] seems to exist solely to be an EvilCounterpart to Negas. A later OriginsEpisode reveals that a psychologist adviced Negas to bottle up his emotions instead of insulting people. Negas bottled up so much anger, that his blood intoxicated and mutated into the Pinchimono. Basically, the Pinchimono is an EldritchAbomination.

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* In the Mexican web animation ''WebAnimation/{{Negas}}'', the [[AxCrazy Pinchimono]] seems to exist solely to be an EvilCounterpart to Negas. A later OriginsEpisode reveals that a psychologist adviced advised Negas to bottle up his emotions instead of insulting people. Negas bottled up so much anger, that his blood intoxicated and mutated into the Pinchimono. Basically, the Pinchimono is an EldritchAbomination.
3rd Aug '17 11:26:16 AM hubakon1368
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* In the Mexican web animation '''WebAnimation/Negas''', the [[AxCrazy Pinchimono]] seems to exist solely to be an EvilCounterpart to Negas. A later OriginsEpisode reveals that a psychologist adviced Negas to bottle up his emotions instead of insulting people. Negas bottled up so much anger, that his blood intoxicated and mutated into the Pinchimono. Basically, the Pinchimono is an EldritchAbomination.

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* In the Mexican web animation '''WebAnimation/Negas''', ''WebAnimation/{{Negas}}'', the [[AxCrazy Pinchimono]] seems to exist solely to be an EvilCounterpart to Negas. A later OriginsEpisode reveals that a psychologist adviced Negas to bottle up his emotions instead of insulting people. Negas bottled up so much anger, that his blood intoxicated and mutated into the Pinchimono. Basically, the Pinchimono is an EldritchAbomination.
26th Jul '17 8:23:27 AM Anicomicgeek
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** In addition, several changes in certain supervillains' behavior were attributed to the effects of mindwiping. Most notably, this was used to explain how Dr. Light went from being a serious threat to the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Justice League to a [[HarmlessVillain joke villain constantly bested by the]] Comicbook/TeenTitans by revealing that he was given, not just a mindwipe, but a personality alteration after he brutally raped Sue Dibney in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.

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** In addition, several changes in certain supervillains' behavior were attributed to the effects of mindwiping. Most notably, this was used to explain how Dr. Light went from being a serious threat to the [[UsefulNotes/TheSilverAgeOfComicBooks Silver Age]] Justice League to a [[HarmlessVillain joke villain constantly bested by the]] Comicbook/TeenTitans by revealing that he was given, not just a mindwipe, but a personality alteration after he brutally raped Sue Dibney Dibny in ''ComicBook/IdentityCrisis''.
26th Jul '17 8:03:59 AM OptimumTaurus
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** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' has Yondu remark that Peter Quill's father was a "jackass" when one of the Ravagers laments they didn't deliver Quill to him. Come ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'', [[spoiler: Yondu is proven right when Quill meets his biological father Ego the Living Planet, who wants to eliminate all life in the universe by replacing it with extensions of his Celestial self. Yondu even dies trying to save Peter, meaning that he truly became Quill's father figure after he was abducted. It also has the effect of taking the RunningGag of Yondu going soft and making it so he was fiercely protective of Peter and helped him learn to survive on his own]].

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** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' has Yondu remark that Peter Quill's father was a "jackass" when one of the Ravagers laments they didn't deliver Quill to him. Come ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'', [[spoiler: Yondu is proven right when Quill meets his biological father Ego the Living Planet, who wants to eliminate all life in the universe by replacing it with extensions of his Celestial self. Ego had even killed hundreds of his own children after they were delivered to him by Yondu and didn't have his Celestial gene. Yondu even dies trying to save Peter, meaning that he truly became Quill's father figure after he was abducted. It also has the effect of taking the RunningGag of Yondu going soft and making it so he was fiercely protective of Peter and helped him learn to survive on his own]].
15th Jul '17 5:17:58 AM rufusluciusivan
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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', resident AlphaBitch (later revealed to be a LonelyRichKid and a JerkassWoobie) Pacifica Northwest often accompanies her parents during public events, [[Recap/GravityFallsS1E8IrrationalTreasure such as "Pioneer Day"]], in which she promotes the Northwests' accomplishments. However, ''Quest for the Northwest'', the first part of ''WebVideo/GravityFallsDeepWoods'' gives a different interpretation of Pacifica's feelings about being used as a mere tool to boost her family's reputation.

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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', resident AlphaBitch (later revealed to be a LonelyRichKid and a JerkassWoobie) Pacifica Northwest often accompanies her parents during public events, [[Recap/GravityFallsS1E8IrrationalTreasure such as "Pioneer Day"]], in which she promotes the Northwests' accomplishments. However, ''Quest for the Northwest'', the first part of ''WebVideo/GravityFallsDeepWoods'' ''WebVideo/GravityFallsDeepWoods'', gives a different interpretation of Pacifica's feelings about being used as a mere tool to boost her family's reputation.
15th Jul '17 5:16:59 AM rufusluciusivan
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* In ''WesternAnimation/GravityFalls'', resident AlphaBitch (later revealed to be a LonelyRichKid and a JerkassWoobie) Pacifica Northwest often accompanies her parents during public events, [[Recap/GravityFallsS1E8IrrationalTreasure such as "Pioneer Day"]], in which she promotes the Northwests' accomplishments. However, ''Quest for the Northwest'', the first part of ''WebVideo/GravityFallsDeepWoods'' gives a different interpretation of Pacifica's feelings about being used as a mere tool to boost her family's reputation.
-->'''Pacifica:''' "And my parents drag me to these big publicity things where all I'm supposed to do is wave and watch everyone else have fun... Dad wants me to take over the family's business someday, but I'm not sure if I want to do that, you know?"
10th Jul '17 5:07:05 PM dragonfire5000
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* One of DLC chapters in ''VideoGame/FireEmblemFates'' allowed the player to earn an item that could change one female character's class to Witch, a powerful spellcaster with ability to teleport. Said class previously only appeared in [[NoExportForYou Japanese-only]] ''VideoGame/FireEmblemGaiden'', so many players were eager to change their units into Witches... until the next game, which happened to be [[VideoGameRemake remake]] of ''Gaiden'', revealed how they gain their power: [[DealWithTheDevil by sacrificing their souls to the Fell God Duma]]. And to make it even worse, ''[[HumanSacrifice not all of them did it of their own will]]''. Suddenly, giving that Witch's Mark to your in-game little sister doesn't seem like a good idea...
8th Jul '17 4:55:22 PM BoxerAndCrewSocks
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** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' has Yondu remark that Peter Quill's father was a "jackass" when one of the Ravagers laments they didn't deliver Quill to him. Come ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'', [[spoiler: Yondu is proven right when Quill meets his biological father Ego the Living Planet, who wants to eliminate all life in the universe by replacing it with extensions of his Celstial self. Yondu even dies trying to save Peter, meaning that he truly became Quill's father figure after he was abducted. It also has the effect of taking the RunningGag of Yondu going soft and making it so he was fiercely protective of Peter and helped him learn to survive on his own]].

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** ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxy'' has Yondu remark that Peter Quill's father was a "jackass" when one of the Ravagers laments they didn't deliver Quill to him. Come ''Film/GuardiansOfTheGalaxyVol2'', [[spoiler: Yondu is proven right when Quill meets his biological father Ego the Living Planet, who wants to eliminate all life in the universe by replacing it with extensions of his Celstial Celestial self. Yondu even dies trying to save Peter, meaning that he truly became Quill's father figure after he was abducted. It also has the effect of taking the RunningGag of Yondu going soft and making it so he was fiercely protective of Peter and helped him learn to survive on his own]].
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