History Main / CerebusRetCon

17th Nov '17 11:54:41 AM hullflyer
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** At the start of ''Film/{{Thor}}, Odin banished Thor and stripped him of his power after Thor nearly started a war. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' shows that Odin [[spoiler:had to imprison Hela after she grew out of control in her desire for conquest, meaning now OOdin banishing Thor had more to do with stopping Thor from becoming a monster like Hela was than merely trying to teach humility.]]

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** At the start of ''Film/{{Thor}}, ''Film/{{Thor}}'', Odin banished Thor and stripped him of his power after Thor nearly started a war. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' shows that Odin [[spoiler:had to imprison Hela after she grew out of control in her desire for conquest, meaning now OOdin Odin banishing Thor had more to do with stopping Thor from becoming a monster like Hela was than merely trying to teach humility.]]
14th Nov '17 6:47:13 PM Fireblood
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** Hodor has consistently been portrayed as a hulking simpleton with childlike intelligence, and his GentleGiant persona has always been used for comic relief--as has his [[PokemonSpeak inability to say anything but his own name]]. The books and the TV show had long cryptically hinted that there was ''something'' more to Hodor than the Starks suspected, with the eventual revelation that his birth name was actually "Walder" ([[AdaptationNameChange "Wylis" in the show]]). Then come the events of the WhamEpisode "The Door". It turns out that Hodor was once of perfectly normal intelligence, but suffered a massive seizure when [[spoiler: Bran [[MentalTimeTravel seized control of his younger self's mind]], inadvertently splitting his mind between two time periods]]. He can only say the word "Hodor" because [[spoiler: he heard Meera Reed shouting ''"Hold the door!"'' when he glimpsed into the future]].
** Jaqen H'ghar isn't exactly a comic relief character, but his odd speaking style initially comes off as a simple FunnyForeigner schtick. In particular, he doesn't seem to know how to use pronouns, [[VerbalTic consistently referring to himself as "a man" (never "I" or "me") and addressing Arya as "a girl" (never "you")]]. But as we delve further into the philosophy and worldview of the Faceless Men, we learn that there's a genuinely chilling reason that Jaqen talks like that: the Faceless Men believe in [[LossOfIdentity rejecting their sense of self]] so that they can better serve the organization, and they're expected to [[ThatManIsDead shed their old identities]] so that they can [[MasterOfDisguise adopt new ones]]. As a veteran Faceless Man, he's so detached from his own identity that he genuinely just sees himself as "a man".

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** Hodor has consistently been portrayed as a hulking simpleton with childlike intelligence, and his GentleGiant persona has always been used for comic relief--as has his [[PokemonSpeak inability to say anything but his own name]]. The books and the TV show had long cryptically hinted that there was ''something'' more to Hodor than the Starks suspected, with the eventual revelation that his birth name was actually "Walder" ([[AdaptationNameChange "Wylis" in the show]]). Then come the events of the WhamEpisode "The Door". It turns out that Hodor was once of perfectly normal intelligence, but suffered a massive seizure when [[spoiler: Bran [[MentalTimeTravel seized control of his younger self's mind]], inadvertently splitting his mind between two time periods]]. He can only say the word "Hodor" because [[spoiler: he heard Meera Reed shouting ''"Hold the door!"'' when he glimpsed into the future]].
future, and started to repeat that until it slurred into just being "Hodor" ]].
** Jaqen H'ghar isn't exactly a comic relief character, but his odd speaking style initially comes off as a simple FunnyForeigner schtick. In particular, he doesn't seem to know how to use pronouns, [[VerbalTic consistently referring to himself as "a man" (never "I" or "me") and addressing Arya as "a girl" (never "you")]]. But as we delve further into the philosophy and worldview of the Faceless Men, we learn that there's a genuinely chilling reason that Jaqen talks like that: the Faceless Men believe in [[LossOfIdentity rejecting their sense of self]] so that they can better serve the organization, and they're expected to [[ThatManIsDead shed their old identities]] so that they can [[MasterOfDisguise adopt new ones]]. As a veteran Faceless Man, he's so detached from his own identity that he genuinely just sees himself as "a man". Plus, "Jaqen H'ghar" is apparently a shared persona used by other Faceless Men too, so he's really ''not'' "Jaqen H'ghar", but just "a man" or "no one".
14th Nov '17 6:31:17 PM Fireblood
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** In a more minor example, in a early episode, Bashir mentions out that he confused a pre-ganglionic fiber with a post-ganglionic nerve during his medical finals. When fans pointed out that this is a mistake that no competent medical student would make, the explanation was retconned that he got the question wrong on purpose to avoid being valedictorian... [[spoiler:to cover up his genetic enhancements]].

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** In a more minor example, in a early episode, Bashir mentions out that he confused a pre-ganglionic fiber with a post-ganglionic nerve during his medical finals. When fans pointed out that this is a mistake that no competent medical student would make, the explanation was retconned that he got the question wrong on purpose to avoid being valedictorian... [[spoiler:to cover up his genetic enhancements]].
14th Nov '17 8:57:52 AM PDL
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* ''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' reveals that the Mega Evolution mechanic ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' introduced isn't some benign power up. It turns Pokemon into mindless, heartless, fighting machines and causes some of them injurious amounts of pain if the trainer does not have a strong bond with the Pokémon.

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''VideoGame/PokemonSunAndMoon'' reveals that the [[SuperMode Mega Evolution Evolution]] mechanic ''VideoGame/PokemonXAndY'' introduced isn't some benign power up. up: It turns Pokemon some Pokémon into mindless, heartless, fighting machines (for example, Mega Salamence may accidentally ''slice its trainer in half'' with its wings) and causes some of them others injurious amounts of pain (Mega Scizor's body may ''melt'' if it stays Mega Evolved for too long). This may be the trainer does not have a strong bond with the Pokémon. reason why Mega Evolved Pokémon don't stay Mega Evolved indefinitely.



** Some Pokémon from previous generations are put in a new, and dark, light. The perceptually angry Mankey and Primeape from Gen 1, for example, were revealed to suffer constant loneliness both as a cause and result of their never ending uncontrollable anger, and they never get rest from it; they are woken up constantly because of it when sleeping. It only gets peace in death, which is often caused by getting so extremely angry it's body shuts down.

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** Some Pokémon from previous generations are put in a new, and dark, light. The perceptually perpetually angry Mankey and Primeape from Gen 1, for example, were revealed to suffer constant loneliness both as a cause and result of their never ending uncontrollable anger, and they never get rest from it; they are woken up constantly because of it when sleeping. It only gets peace in death, which is often caused by getting so extremely angry it's body shuts down.
14th Nov '17 8:45:06 AM Allronix
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* ''Series/TheOrville'': "Old Wounds" (the pilot) starts off with a PlotInducingInfidelity that turns into a series of dodgy jokes about Ed's discomfort at [[WorkingWithTheEd getting his ex-wife as a first officer]] and how Ed only got a low-level exploration ship due to his career going into a tailspin due to distraction over the divorce. But come "Cupid's Dagger," we meet the guy who broke up the marriage. His species secrete pheromones that are as good as a date rape drug, their culture (supposedly) has such an open attitude toward sex that refusing an offer of it is considered rude, and the guy either has a ''very'' dim concept of sexual consent or is an outright predator, meaning the whole thing that kicked off the plot may have been a whopper of DoubleStandardRapeSciFi.

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* ''Series/TheOrville'': "Old Wounds" (the pilot) starts off with a PlotInducingInfidelity PlotIncitingInfidelity that turns into a series of dodgy jokes about Ed's discomfort at [[WorkingWithTheEd [[WorkingWithTheEx getting his ex-wife as a first officer]] and how Ed only got a low-level exploration ship due to his career going into a tailspin due to distraction over the divorce. But come "Cupid's Dagger," we meet the guy who broke up the marriage. His species secrete pheromones that are as good as a date rape drug, their culture (supposedly) has such an open attitude toward sex that refusing an offer of it is considered rude, and the guy either has a ''very'' dim concept of sexual consent or is an outright predator, meaning the whole thing that kicked off the plot may have been a whopper of DoubleStandardRapeSciFi.
14th Nov '17 8:37:56 AM Allronix
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* ''Series/TheOrville'': "Old Wounds" (the pilot) starts off with a PlotInducingInfidelity that turns into a series of dodgy jokes about Ed's discomfort at [[WorkingWithTheEd getting his ex-wife as a first officer]] and how Ed only got a low-level exploration ship due to his career going into a tailspin due to distraction over the divorce. But come "Cupid's Dagger," we meet the guy who broke up the marriage. His species secrete pheromones that are as good as a date rape drug, their culture (supposedly) has such an open attitude toward sex that refusing an offer of it is considered rude, and the guy either has a ''very'' dim concept of sexual consent or is an outright predator, meaning the whole thing that kicked off the plot may have been a whopper of DoubleStandardRapeSciFi.
11th Nov '17 4:35:58 AM Anicomicgeek
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** At the start of ''Film/{{Thor}}, Odin banished Thor and stripped him of his power after Thor nearly started a war. ''Film/ThorRagnarok'' shows that Odin [[spoiler:had to imprison Hela after she grew out of control in her desire for conquest, meaning now OOdin banishing Thor had more to do with stopping Thor from becoming a monster like Hela was than merely trying to teach humility.]]
10th Nov '17 8:05:09 PM Everdream
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** Some Pokémon from previous generations are put in a new, and dark, light. The perceptually angry Mankey and Primeape from Gen 1, for example, were revealed to suffer constant loneliness both as a cause and result of their never ending uncontrollable anger, and they never get rest from it; are woken up constantly because of it when sleeping. It only gets peace in death, which is often caused by getting so extremely angry it's body shuts down.

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** Some Pokémon from previous generations are put in a new, and dark, light. The perceptually angry Mankey and Primeape from Gen 1, for example, were revealed to suffer constant loneliness both as a cause and result of their never ending uncontrollable anger, and they never get rest from it; they are woken up constantly because of it when sleeping. It only gets peace in death, which is often caused by getting so extremely angry it's body shuts down.
9th Nov '17 6:30:25 PM BoxerAndCrewSocks
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** A RunningGag in the ''Sun and Moon'' series is the character of Lillie not being able to touch Pokémon, which she slowly gets better with her time with her classmates. The gag stops being funny as of episode 47, [[spoiler: which reveals that she has repressed memories of an accident involving the Ultra Beast Nihilego, making her fear of Pokémon much more understandable and the desire to overcome it much stronger]].

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** A RunningGag in the ''Sun and Moon'' series is the character of Lillie not being able to touch Pokémon, which she slowly gets better with her time with her classmates. The gag stops being funny as of episode 47, [[spoiler: which reveals that she has repressed memories of an accident involving the Ultra Beast Nihilego, making her fear of Pokémon much more understandable and the desire to overcome it much stronger]]. This is further proven in episode 49, which not only has her regain those memories; but it also adds the detail [[spoiler: that Faba is responsible for the accident and tried to keep her from regaining her memory]]. Lillie is shocked when she realizes this [[spoiler: after Faba kept this from her all this time and deliberately drew out Nihilego from Ultra Space to prove his theories]].



* Anime/YugiohArcV: Early on, the series poked fun at Yuya's mom's habit of taking strays animals into their house, first by Yuya realizing one morning there are more pets whose names he doesn't even know, then after [[ImTakingHimHomeWithMe taking in Sora]]. He tells her that she can't just pick up people the same as animals. It's all played for laughs both at Yoko's weakness [[CutenessProximity for cuteness]] and [[DeliberatelyCuteChild Sora's antics]] in order to get what he wants. [[spoiler: Fast forward to episode 127 where it's revealed that Yuya's existence is due to him being the [[SealedInsideaPersonShapedCan fragment of Zarc's split soul]] and most definitely not Yusho's nor Yoko's biological son since the former realizes he has no memories of his son being born, meaning Yoko might have picked up Yuya long, ''long'' before Sora.]]

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* Anime/YugiohArcV: ''Anime/YugiohArcV'': Early on, the series poked fun at Yuya's mom's habit of taking strays animals into their house, first by Yuya realizing one morning there are more pets whose names he doesn't even know, then after [[ImTakingHimHomeWithMe taking in Sora]]. He tells her that she can't just pick up people the same as animals. It's all played for laughs both at Yoko's weakness [[CutenessProximity for cuteness]] and [[DeliberatelyCuteChild Sora's antics]] in order to get what he wants. [[spoiler: Fast forward to episode 127 where it's revealed that Yuya's existence is due to him being the [[SealedInsideaPersonShapedCan fragment of Zarc's split soul]] and most definitely not Yusho's nor Yoko's biological son since the former realizes he has no memories of his son being born, meaning Yoko might have picked up Yuya long, ''long'' before Sora.]]
27th Oct '17 9:18:06 PM BoxerAndCrewSocks
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** A RunningGag in the ''Sun and Moon'' series is the character of Lillie not being able to touch Pokémon, which she slowly gets better with her time with her classmates. The gag stops being funny as of episode 47, [[spoiler: which reveals that she has repressed memories of an accident involving the Ultra Beast Nihilego, making her fear of Pokémon much more understandable and the desire to overcome it much stronger]].
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