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14th Aug '16 6:21:57 AM thatother1dude
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'' sees this happen to Gumball and Darwin in the episode "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS2E22TheHero The Hero]], when they unknowingly hurt Richard's feelings by making fun of his {{bumbling|Dad}} antics.
13th Aug '16 1:06:38 AM azul120
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* This happened to poor Fred twice on ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones''

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* This happened to poor Fred twice on ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'':


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* ''WesternAnimation/TheAmazingWorldOfGumball'' sees this happen to Gumball and Darwin in the episode "[[Recap/TheAmazingWorldOfGumballS2E22TheHero The Hero]], when they unknowingly hurt Richard's feelings by making fun of his {{bumbling|Dad}} antics.
12th Aug '16 2:57:20 PM Nire
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** Punishing an older animal for behaviors that were allowed when it was younger because it was "cute" at the time can also cause this, regardless of how fast the punishment is delivered.
4th Aug '16 8:08:52 PM LadyJaneGrey
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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' had Fred unintentionally switching places with a business tycoon and while Fred was doing the tycoon's job the tycoon was going around town being an asshole to everyone, and in the end Fred goes home and gets beaten up by Barney and chewed out by Wilma, Barney and Betty all the while Fred looks confused.

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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones'' This happened to poor Fred twice on ''WesternAnimation/TheFlintstones''
** One time
had Fred unintentionally switching places with a business tycoon and while Fred was doing the tycoon's job the tycoon was going around town being an asshole to everyone, and in the end Fred goes home and gets beaten up by Barney and chewed out by Wilma, Barney and Betty all the while Fred looks confused.confused.
** Anther time, aliens had been making clones of Fred, and ''they'' were acting like assholes and ruining his reputation. It had a happier ending though, because when Fred told them how it happened, Wilma, Barney and Betty simply thought he was under stress from his diet, and said he could go off it. (Fred was upset, until he realized he [[HellYesMoment was off his diet.]]
26th Jun '16 2:57:35 AM StFan
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-->-- '''One of the player's hoodlums''' after some "Bloody-knuckled discipline", ''Videogame/FallenLondon''

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-->-- '''One of the player's hoodlums''' after (after some "Bloody-knuckled discipline", discipline"), ''Videogame/FallenLondon''



Unless the character is showing ItsAllAboutMe or MoralMyopia or even worse ButForMeItWasTuesday -- which are possible -- this is a sympathetic characterization. An innocent character taken for a crime that no one will identify is common, especially in RevengeByProxy, SinsOfOurFathers, and CriminalDoppelganger, but not the only possibility. DisproportionateRetribution will often inspire it. Even if the crime was real, and the punishment not disproportionate, punishing an amnesiac character tends to come off as wrong. Those with ignorance of the law, stemming [[ChildrenAreInnocent child-like innocence]] or [[NaiveNewcomer unfamiliarity with the location]], generally come off almost as well. Especially if YouKnowWhatYouDid follows. GuiltByAssociationGag is related but generally involves the target genuinely not being involved at all.

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Unless the character is showing ItsAllAboutMe or MoralMyopia or even worse ButForMeItWasTuesday -- which are possible -- this is a sympathetic characterization. An innocent character taken for a crime that no one no-one will identify is common, especially in RevengeByProxy, SinsOfOurFathers, and CriminalDoppelganger, but not the only possibility. DisproportionateRetribution will often inspire it. Even if the crime was real, and the punishment not disproportionate, punishing an amnesiac character tends to come off as wrong. Those with ignorance of the law, stemming [[ChildrenAreInnocent child-like innocence]] or [[NaiveNewcomer unfamiliarity with the location]], generally come off almost as well. Especially if YouKnowWhatYouDid follows. GuiltByAssociationGag is related but generally involves the target genuinely not being involved at all.






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* In ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Han and Chewbacca are being tortured by Vader (Han by electricity and Chewie by sound), and think it's [[ForTheEvulz just petty revenge]] since they weren't asked any questions. Vader was counting on Luke psychically sensing their torture and coming to rescue them.
* In ''Film/{{Oldboy 2003}}'' the protagonist is kidnapped and held in a private prison. When released, he spends the rest of the movie trying to track down who did this to him and why.

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* In ''Film/TheEmpireStrikesBack'', Han and Chewbacca are being tortured by Vader (Han by electricity and Chewie by sound), and think it's [[ForTheEvulz just petty revenge]] since they weren't asked any questions. Vader was is counting on Luke psychically sensing their torture and coming to rescue them.
* In ''Film/{{Oldboy 2003}}'' ''Film/{{Oldboy|2003}}'' the protagonist is kidnapped and held in a private prison. When released, he spends the rest of the movie trying to track down who did this to him and why.



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* Series/TheInvisibleMan: After the Official is badly beaten Darien is bewildered when Hobbes attacks him, points a gun at him and starts ranting at him. Hobbes has assumed Darien did it while suffering from Quicksilver madness.
* ''Series/OnceUponATime'': Due to IdentityAmnesia preventing her from knowing that she's really Snow White, Mary Margaret has no idea why Regina has such a strong grudge against her that she'd [[FrameUp frame her for murder]].

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* Series/TheInvisibleMan: ''Series/TheInvisibleMan'': After the Official is badly beaten beaten, Darien is bewildered when Hobbes attacks him, points a gun at him and starts ranting at him. Hobbes has assumed Darien did it while suffering from Quicksilver madness.
* ''Series/OnceUponATime'': ''Series/OnceUponATime'':
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Due to IdentityAmnesia preventing her from knowing that she's really Snow White, Mary Margaret has no idea why Regina has such a strong grudge against her that she'd [[FrameUp frame her for murder]].



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* In ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'',

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* In ''Webcomic/{{Sinfest}}'',



* The ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Proper Condom Use" has some of this, wherein Cartman shows the other boys how to "milk a dog". Stan shows this off to his parents in front of company without knowing what he's doing, which results in this.
--> '''Sharon Marsh:''' Stanley, do you know why you're being grounded for 10 months?!
--> '''Stan Marsh:''' No!
** "Sexual Harassment Panda" played Stan's trial for sexually harassing Cartman in this fashion (it was probably meant as a commentary on a real-life case of a grade schooler being charged with sexual harassment for kissing a girl in his class)
-->'''Judge:''' What do you have to say in your defense?\\

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* ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'';
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The ''WesternAnimation/SouthPark'' episode "Proper Condom Use" has some of this, wherein Cartman shows the other boys how to "milk a dog". Stan shows this off to his parents in front of company without knowing what he's doing, which results in this.
--> '''Sharon -->'''Sharon Marsh:''' Stanley, do you know why you're being grounded for 10 months?!
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months?!\\
'''Stan Marsh:''' No!
** "Sexual Harassment Panda" played Stan's trial for sexually harassing Cartman in this fashion (it was probably meant as a commentary on a real-life case of a grade schooler being charged with sexual harassment for kissing a girl in his class)
-->'''Judge:'''
class).
--->'''Judge:'''
What do you have to say in your defense?\\
3rd Jun '16 3:19:17 PM ZeldaQueen64
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* In ''Film/TheManInTheIronMask'', Philippe had no clue why he was taken from the farm he grew up on, forced into the iron mask, and locked away. He recalls how when he was first imprisoned, all he did was shout for someone to say what he did. He eventually realized it must have something to do with his face. It isn't until the Musketeers rescue him that he learns it was because he's the identical twin of the king.


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* In ''Webcomic/{{Weregeek}}'', this is one of the reasons why Sarah was so upset over [[spoiler:Mark and Jesse breaking up]]. She hadn't realized what had happened (specifically that [[spoiler:Jesse believed Mark was cheating on her with Sarah]]) and had no clue what was going on when she innocently approached [[spoiler:Jesse]], only to be screamed at.


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* An episode of ''WesternAnimation/{{Rugrats}}'' has Angelica overhear a DepravedKidsShowHost using a curse word to describe the children she works with and, thinking it's the show's new special phrase, [[InnocentSwearing repeats it to her parents]]. She gets in trouble for it repeatedly, including when she tries to get her dad to tell her exactly which word in the sentence is the "bad" one. [[spoiler:By the end of the episode, she's still not entirely sure why the word's bad. Her dad just says that it "makes people feel bad".]]
29th Apr '16 5:56:22 PM eroock
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Unless the character is showing ItsAllAboutMe or MoralMyopia or even worse ButForMeItWasTuesday-- which are possible -- this is a sympathetic characterization. An innocent character taken for a crime that no one will identify is common, especially in RevengeByProxy, SinsOfOurFathers, and CriminalDoppelganger, but not the only possibility. DisproportionateRetribution will often inspire it. Even if the crime was real, and the punishment not disproportionate, punishing an amnesiac character tends to come off as wrong. Those with ignorance of the law, stemming [[ChildrenAreInnocent child-like innocence]] or [[NaiveNewcomer unfamiliarity with the location]], generally come off almost as well. Especially if YouKnowWhatYouDid follows. GuiltByAssociationGag is related but generally involves the target genuinely not being involved at all.

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Unless the character is showing ItsAllAboutMe or MoralMyopia or even worse ButForMeItWasTuesday-- ButForMeItWasTuesday -- which are possible -- this is a sympathetic characterization. An innocent character taken for a crime that no one will identify is common, especially in RevengeByProxy, SinsOfOurFathers, and CriminalDoppelganger, but not the only possibility. DisproportionateRetribution will often inspire it. Even if the crime was real, and the punishment not disproportionate, punishing an amnesiac character tends to come off as wrong. Those with ignorance of the law, stemming [[ChildrenAreInnocent child-like innocence]] or [[NaiveNewcomer unfamiliarity with the location]], generally come off almost as well. Especially if YouKnowWhatYouDid follows. GuiltByAssociationGag is related but generally involves the target genuinely not being involved at all.
29th Apr '16 5:55:47 PM eroock
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->''All right guv! All right! Whatever I did, I'm sorry! And if you tell me what it was I won't do it again!''

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->''All ->''"All right guv! All right! Whatever I did, I'm sorry! And if you tell me what it was I won't do it again!''again!"''
16th Apr '16 5:41:33 AM JackG
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* An Eastern European film taking place in an unnamed state had a communist functionary being reassigned. She thinks she's been promoted, but instead ends up in a frozen rat-infested hovel with an old man who says only, "They sent you here, so you could think about why they sent you here."
7th Apr '16 7:28:44 AM erforce
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-->''All right guv! All right! Whatever I did, I'm sorry! And if you tell me what it was I won't do it again!''
-->--'''One of the player's hoodlums''' after some "Bloody-knuckled discipline", ''Videogame/FallenLondon''

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-->''All ->''All right guv! All right! Whatever I did, I'm sorry! And if you tell me what it was I won't do it again!''
-->--'''One -->-- '''One of the player's hoodlums''' after some "Bloody-knuckled discipline", ''Videogame/FallenLondon''



* In ''Film/{{Oldboy}}'' the protagonist is kidnapped and held in a private prison. When released, he spends the rest of the movie trying to track down who did this to him and why.

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* In ''Film/{{Oldboy}}'' ''Film/{{Oldboy 2003}}'' the protagonist is kidnapped and held in a private prison. When released, he spends the rest of the movie trying to track down who did this to him and why.
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