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24th Apr '17 12:55:50 AM angie710
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* SinsOfOurFathers, when the association is familial.

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* SinsOfOurFathers, SinsOfOurFathers and FamilyHonor, when the association is familial.
13th Feb '17 8:19:28 PM Fireblood
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** The role played by communists in civil rights movement in the US, especially in the 1930's, was quite large. Many prominent civil rights activists, like Paul Robeson, were either themselves communists or sympathized with them. More mainstream civil rights organizations [[DontShootTheMessage really went out of their way to avoid all communists or communist sympathizers]] to avoid being associated. Unfortunately, this also meant that the civil rights movement in the first half of 20th century [[WeAreStrugglingTogether was splintered badly]].

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** The role played by communists in the civil rights movement in the US, especially in the 1930's, was quite large. Many prominent civil rights activists, like Paul Robeson, were either themselves communists or sympathized with them. More mainstream civil rights organizations [[DontShootTheMessage really went out of their way to avoid all communists or communist sympathizers]] to avoid being associated. Unfortunately, this also meant that the civil rights movement in the first half of 20th century [[WeAreStrugglingTogether was splintered badly]].



* If one shows up at an event that featured pornography, they will be treated as if they did pornographic activities, even if they were not involved in any pornographic segments or if it was a video with pornographic segments added afterwards without the knowledge of the those involved, such as happened to some wrestlers who worked for Rob Black's XPW, such as Nicole Bass.

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* If one shows up at an event that featured pornography, they will be treated as if they did pornographic activities, even if they were not involved in any pornographic segments or if it was a video with pornographic segments added afterwards without the knowledge of the those involved, such as happened to some wrestlers who worked for Rob Black's XPW, such as like Nicole Bass.



:: A very common form of Guilt by Association is "Hitler did it, therefore it's bad." While persuasive, it's not always true, since while Hitler did a lot of evil things, he also was a massive advocate of animal rights (well, definitely more so than Jewish, gay, or Gypsy rights...), built motorways, painted pictures, hosted the Olympics, [[HitlerAteSugar ate sugar]], and breathed oxygen. This is related to the Fallacy of Division, since it assumes the evilness of the whole of Hitler also applies to any part of Hitler. Related to GodwinsLaw and HitlerAteSugar.

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:: A very common form of Guilt by Association is "Hitler did it, therefore it's bad." While persuasive, it's not always true, since while Hitler did a lot of evil things, he also was a massive advocate of animal rights (well, definitely more so than Jewish, gay, or Gypsy Roma rights...), built motorways, painted pictures, hosted the Olympics, [[HitlerAteSugar ate sugar]], and breathed oxygen. This is related to the Fallacy of Division, since it assumes the evilness of the whole of Hitler also applies to any part of Hitler. Related to GodwinsLaw and HitlerAteSugar.
7th Feb '17 6:35:39 PM garthvader
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** -->Scott: ''"All of these things link Terrance to the murder: hair fibers, blood samples, nail clippings, a piece of his shirt. A watch with his initials on it, a day planner with the murder scheduled, a haiku called "Time to Kill Dr. Jeffrey O'Dwyer." "Dr. O'Dwyer / time to have your head smashed in / with my new hammer." Terrance, you may be a famous surgeon, but you're not God. J'accuse, Terrance!"''\\

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** -->Scott: ''"All of these things link Terrance to the murder: hair fibers, blood samples, nail clippings, a piece of his shirt. A watch with his initials on it, a day planner with the murder scheduled, a haiku called "Time to Kill Dr. Jeffrey O'Dwyer." "Dr. O'Dwyer / time to have your head smashed in / with my new hammer." Terrance, you may be a famous surgeon, but you're not God. J'accuse, Terrance!"''\\
7th Feb '17 6:35:21 PM garthvader
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-->Scott: ''"All of these things link Terrance to the murder: hair fibers, blood samples, nail clippings, a piece of his shirt. A watch with his initials on it, a day planner with the murder scheduled, a haiku called "Time to Kill Dr. Jeffrey O'Dwyer." "Dr. O'Dwyer / time to have your head smashed in / with my new hammer." Terrance, you may be a famous surgeon, but you're not God. J'accuse, Terrance!"''\\

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-->Scott: **-->Scott: ''"All of these things link Terrance to the murder: hair fibers, blood samples, nail clippings, a piece of his shirt. A watch with his initials on it, a day planner with the murder scheduled, a haiku called "Time to Kill Dr. Jeffrey O'Dwyer." "Dr. O'Dwyer / time to have your head smashed in / with my new hammer." Terrance, you may be a famous surgeon, but you're not God. J'accuse, Terrance!"''\\




The argument here is that Terrance has done a thing associated with kind people, so he must be one. This is, of course, enough for the jury to acquit him on the spot (or as soon as farting allows).

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\nThe **The argument here is that Terrance has done a thing associated with kind people, so he must be one. This is, of course, enough for the jury to acquit him on the spot (or as soon as farting allows).
7th Feb '17 6:34:59 PM garthvader
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:The argument here is that Terrance has done a thing associated with kind people, so he must be one. This is, of course, enough for the jury to acquit him on the spot (or as soon as farting allows).

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argument here is that Terrance has done a thing associated with kind people, so he must be one. This is, of course, enough for the jury to acquit him on the spot (or as soon as farting allows).
7th Feb '17 6:34:31 PM garthvader
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:The argument here is that Terrance has done a thing associated with kind people, so he must be one. This is, of course, enough for the jury to acquit him on the spot (or as soon as farting allows).
7th Feb '17 6:26:59 PM garthvader
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** This is also often done with Hitler; adding insult to injury, Hitler also often gets used for the reverse.[[note]]It's unclear what exactly Hitler's religious views were. He was RaisedCatholic, though what his public statements favoring Catholicism meant versus private ones disparaging it (and Christianity) mean is hard to say. At the very least we can say he wasn't an atheist, often invoking God in his speeches, private statements and writings (the regime persecuted atheists, along with religious dissidents). Whether or not he was Christian in later life (and if so, how orthodox) is an open question, particularly since sources close to him at that time like Martin Bormann, a notoriously militant atheist himself, are not particularly reliable.[[/note]] Also see HitlerAteSugar.

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** This is also often done with Hitler; adding insult to injury, Hitler also often gets used for the reverse.[[note]]It's unclear what exactly Hitler's religious views were. He was RaisedCatholic, though what his public statements favoring Catholicism meant versus private ones disparaging it (and Christianity) mean is hard to say. At the very least we can say he wasn't an atheist, often invoking God in his speeches, private statements and writings (the regime persecuted atheists, along with religious dissidents). Whether or not he was Christian in later life (and if so, how orthodox) is an open question, particularly since sources close to him at that time like Martin Bormann, a notoriously militant atheist himself, atheist, are not particularly reliable.[[/note]] Also see HitlerAteSugar.
7th Feb '17 6:26:46 PM garthvader
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:: Guilt By Association assumes that two separate things share a negative factor because they share a different, unrelated factor. (See also StopBeingStereotypical, DontShootTheMessage)

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:: Guilt By Association assumes that two separate things share a negative factor because they share a different, unrelated factor.factor, usually a relation to some undesirable person or ideology. (See also StopBeingStereotypical, DontShootTheMessage)



** This is also often done with Hitler; adding insult to injury, Hitler also often gets used for the reverse.[[note]]It's unclear what exactly Hitler's religious views were. He was RaisedCatholic, though what his public statements favoring Catholicism meant versus private ones disparaging it (and Christianity) mean is hard to say. At the very least we can say he wasn't an atheist, often invoking God in his speeches, private statements and writings (the regime persecuted atheists, along with religious dissidents). Whether or not he was Christian in later life (and if so, how orthodox) is an open question.[[/note]] Also see HitlerAteSugar.

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** This is also often done with Hitler; adding insult to injury, Hitler also often gets used for the reverse.[[note]]It's unclear what exactly Hitler's religious views were. He was RaisedCatholic, though what his public statements favoring Catholicism meant versus private ones disparaging it (and Christianity) mean is hard to say. At the very least we can say he wasn't an atheist, often invoking God in his speeches, private statements and writings (the regime persecuted atheists, along with religious dissidents). Whether or not he was Christian in later life (and if so, how orthodox) is an open question.question, particularly since sources close to him at that time like Martin Bormann, a notoriously militant atheist himself, are not particularly reliable.[[/note]] Also see HitlerAteSugar.
7th Feb '17 6:23:50 PM garthvader
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Claiming a quality of one thing is also a quality of another thing because they have some other thing in common, e.g. "Water is a liquid. Water will put out most fires. Therefore, any liquid will put out most fires." And then you pour on the olive oil. Or the high-proof vodka. Or [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the napalm...]]

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Claiming a quality of one thing is also a quality of another thing because they have some other thing in common, e.g. "Water is a liquid. Water will put out most fires. Therefore, any liquid will put out most fires." And then you pour on the olive oil. Or the high-proof vodka. Or [[UsefulNotes/TheVietnamWar the napalm...]]
As it turns out, liquid oxygen tends to encourage rather than extinguish a fire.
7th Feb '17 6:21:42 PM garthvader
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-->Scott: ''"All of these things link Terrance to the murder: hair fibers, blood samples, nail clippings, a piece of his shirt. A watch with his initials on it, a day planner with the murder scheduled, a haiku called "Time to Kill Dr. Jeffrey O'Dwyer." "Dr. O'Dwyer / time to have your head smashed in / with my new hammer." Terrance, you may be a famous surgeon, but you're not God. J'accuse, Terrance!"''

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-->Scott: ''"All of these things link Terrance to the murder: hair fibers, blood samples, nail clippings, a piece of his shirt. A watch with his initials on it, a day planner with the murder scheduled, a haiku called "Time to Kill Dr. Jeffrey O'Dwyer." "Dr. O'Dwyer / time to have your head smashed in / with my new hammer." Terrance, you may be a famous surgeon, but you're not God. J'accuse, Terrance!"''Terrance!"''\\
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