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29th Apr '18 3:14:11 AM LinTaylor
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*** The ''ComicBook/WhatIf'' version of ''Avengers Disassembled'' also took a shot at this, revealing that "Dr. Strange" was really an illusion cast by Scarlet Witch, with the real Dr. Strange explaining that chaos magic is totally a thing, but very few people use it because of ''how'' chaotic and unpredictable it is.
3rd Apr '18 6:42:55 PM Trooper924
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* After a long and well received run co-writing ''ComicBook/StrontiumDog'' with Alan Grant, John Wagner left the strip with Grant; who promptly killed off ''all the main characters''. Skip forward a few years and Wagner resurrected the strip, declaring the last twenty years of comic null and void. The official line is that hose stories were "the legends of [main character] Johnny Alpha and the new stories are what really happened". Cue lots of fans shouting [[BigNo Nooooo!]] in unison.

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* After a long and well received run co-writing ''ComicBook/StrontiumDog'' with Alan Grant, John Wagner left the strip with Grant; who promptly killed off ''all the main characters''. Skip forward a few years and Wagner resurrected the strip, declaring the last twenty years of comic null and void. The official line is that hose those stories were "the legends of [main character] Johnny Alpha and the new stories are what really happened". Cue lots of fans shouting [[BigNo Nooooo!]] in unison.
19th Mar '18 4:50:54 PM comicwriter
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* Speaking of Arsenal, the 90's ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' series had a story where the villain Haze gifted him with the Red Arrow costume from ''Comicbook/KingdomCome'' after entering his mind and realizing that it was Roy's deepest desire. Devin Grayson was not a fan of this development, so her later ''Arsenal'' mini-series had the new suit get destroyed during a fight. She then took it a step further by having Roy admit that he never really wanted to be Red Arrow or Ollie's successor, and was content to continue being his own man.

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* Speaking of Arsenal, the 90's ''Comicbook/TeenTitans'' series had a story where the villain Haze gifted him with the Red Arrow costume from ''Comicbook/KingdomCome'' after entering his mind and realizing that it was Roy's deepest desire.desire was to be Comicbook/GreenArrow's successor. Devin Grayson was not a fan of this development, so her later ''Arsenal'' mini-series had the new suit get destroyed during a fight. She then took it a step further by having Roy admit that he never really wanted to be Red Arrow or Ollie's successor, follow in Green Arrow's footsteps, and was content to continue being his own man.man. In reality, the mental hangup that Haze had witnessed was actually Roy's bitterness over not even having been approached to carry on his mentor's legacy, which added to his own sense of worthlessness.
-->'''Arsenal''': But dammit, just once, I wanted to get the chance to stand in front of him, worthy, and have him ask. I would've said no, but he could've ''asked''.
18th Feb '18 5:59:41 PM jormis29
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* Maxwell Lord. Back in ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', he was a LovableRogue who genuinely believed in his team, even if he'd only formed them because an evil computer forced him to. Then in ''Countdown To Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis'', it turns out he's a ranting [[FantasticRacism metahuman-hater]] who set his League up to fail. ''Then'', in ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'', Creator/GeoffJohns says "Remember that evil computer? Remember how it took over Max again after his apparent death, and he became the new Lord Havok in the post-''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' League that no one read? Yeah, ''that's'' when he [[HeelFaceTurn turned evil]]." And ''then'', in ''Justice League: Generation Lost'', Creator/JuddWinick says "Well, maybe. But he always disliked metahumans, even if he did grow to care about the particular ones in his team." Note that Johns and Winick were two of the three writers on ''Countdown'' in the first place!

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* Maxwell Lord. Back in ''Comicbook/JusticeLeagueInternational'', he was a LovableRogue who genuinely believed in his team, even if he'd only formed them because an evil computer forced him to. Then in ''Countdown To Comicbook/InfiniteCrisis'', it turns out he's a ranting [[FantasticRacism metahuman-hater]] who set his League up to fail. ''Then'', in ''ComicBook/BoosterGold'', Creator/GeoffJohns says "Remember that evil computer? Remember how it took over Max again after his apparent death, and he became the new Lord Havok in the post-''ComicBook/ZeroHour'' League that no one read? Yeah, ''that's'' when he [[HeelFaceTurn turned evil]]." And ''then'', in ''Justice League: Generation Lost'', ''ComicBook/JusticeLeagueGenerationLost'', Creator/JuddWinick says "Well, maybe. But he always disliked metahumans, even if he did grow to care about the particular ones in his team." Note that Johns and Winick were two of the three writers on ''Countdown'' in the first place!
18th Feb '18 10:57:10 AM StarSword
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* Appropriately enough, the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse contained a never-ending series of canonical combat:

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* Appropriately enough, the Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse Franchise/StarWarsLegends contained a never-ending series of canonical combat:



** This got so bad that when Disney acquired the rights to Star Wars, one of the first things they did was declare everything above noncanon. They've since worked on building up a new expanded canon and are keeping tight control to prevent stuff like it from happening again. Elements from the old EU have been brought back into canon (Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc pit, ''Literature/StarWarsTarkin'' making most of ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' canon again, etc.), but often in a BroadStrokes manner that sidesteps all the pissing matches between the old EU writers. For instance, a lot of Karen Traviss' ideas about Mandalorian culture are still canon, but the Mandalorians are '''not''' a MarySuetopia that's better than the Jedi in every way.

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** This got so bad that when Disney acquired the rights to Star Wars, one of the first things they did was declare everything above noncanon. They've since worked on building up a [[Franchise/StarWarsExpandedUniverse new expanded canon canon]] and are keeping tight control to prevent stuff like it from happening again. Elements from the old EU have been brought back into canon (Boba Fett surviving the Sarlacc pit, ''Literature/StarWarsTarkin'' making most of ''Literature/DarthPlagueis'' canon again, etc.), but often in a BroadStrokes manner that sidesteps all the pissing matches between the old EU writers. For instance, a lot of Karen Traviss' ideas about Mandalorian culture are still canon, but the Mandalorians are '''not''' a MarySuetopia that's better than the Jedi in every way.
16th Feb '18 4:58:58 PM WillKeaton
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* Creator/KurtBusiek's ''Comicbook/UntoldTalesOfSpiderMan'' featured stories set in between and around the early stories of Spider-Man by Lee and Ditko. It stuck closely as possible to the old continuity of those issues. Many fans considered it the most entertaining Spider-Man book, especially since the series appeared around the time all the regular Spider titles were entangled in ComicBook/TheCloneSaga mess.'''Then John Byrne came along.''' ''ComicBook/SpiderManChapterOne'' was his attempt to update the old Lee and Ditko stories and he pretty much disregarded most of what Busiek had done in his Untold Tales series.\\\
Not too long afterwards, Paul Jenkins penned a Chameleon story-arc in ''Webspinners: Tales of Spider-Man'' - explicitly referencing his first appearance in ''Amazing Spider-Man #1'' instead of ''Chapter One''. Note that Jenkins didn't do so based on his own opinions. He simply asked editorial which story he should reference, and they answered with the original. To add insult to injury, this went down while ''Chapter One'' was still in progress - Byrne's mini-series being disregarded months before the final issue was on the stands. Additionally, events and characters from ''Untold Tales'' have since been mentioned or referenced.

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* Creator/KurtBusiek's ''Comicbook/UntoldTalesOfSpiderMan'' featured stories set in between and around the early stories of Spider-Man by Lee and Ditko. It stuck closely as possible to the old continuity of those issues. Many fans considered it the most entertaining Spider-Man book, especially since the series appeared around the time all the regular Spider titles were entangled in ComicBook/TheCloneSaga mess.'''Then John Byrne came along.''' ''ComicBook/SpiderManChapterOne'' was his attempt to update the old Lee and Ditko stories and he pretty much disregarded most of what Busiek had done in his Untold Tales series.\\\
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Not too long afterwards, Paul Jenkins penned a Chameleon story-arc in ''Webspinners: Tales of Spider-Man'' - explicitly referencing his first appearance in ''Amazing Spider-Man #1'' instead of ''Chapter One''. Note that Jenkins didn't do so based on his own opinions. He simply asked editorial which story he should reference, and they answered with the original. To add insult to injury, this went down while ''Chapter One'' was still in progress - Byrne's mini-series being disregarded months before the final issue was on the stands. Additionally, events and characters from ''Untold Tales'' have since been mentioned or referenced.
12th Feb '18 10:20:34 PM LinTaylor
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* Franchise/KamenRider: The movie ''[[Film/HeiseiRiderVsShowaRiderKamenRiderWarsFeaturingSuperSentai Kamen Rider Taisen]]'' had the Showa Riders, lead by [[Series/KamenRider the original, Takeshi Hongo]], start attacking the Heisei Riders, declaring that they didn't agree with the new generation's methods and that they don't consider them worthy of the Kamen Rider name. Creator/HiroshiFujioka, Hongo's actor, was so displeased by this portrayal of his character that he co-authored [[Film/KamenRider1 another movie]] in which Hongo is much nicer and greatly respects all the Riders who came after him.
31st Jan '18 4:04:04 AM jormis29
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** A shipping example from the games themselves: Chris Metzen, one of the most prominent writers, hates the ''very'' popular Thrall/Jaina ship with an almighty passion, due to Thrall essentially being his CreatorsPet. He hated it so much that he used the ''Cataclysm'' expansion as an excuse to firmly sink this popular ship by introducing a SatelliteLoveInterest in the character of Aggra, involving the derailment of a major questline ''just so the player can watch her and Thrall get married''. The odd/funny bit is that Metzen ''also'' wrote during ''Warcraft III'', and voiced Thrall during that time - meaning the very ship he so despised was crafted from his material in the first place. One wonders how he didn't notice it earlier...

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** A shipping example from the games themselves: Chris Metzen, themselves:Creator/ChrisMetzen, one of the most prominent writers, hates the ''very'' popular Thrall/Jaina ship with an almighty passion, due to Thrall essentially being his CreatorsPet. He hated it so much that he used the ''Cataclysm'' expansion as an excuse to firmly sink this popular ship by introducing a SatelliteLoveInterest in the character of Aggra, involving the derailment of a major questline ''just so the player can watch her and Thrall get married''. The odd/funny bit is that Metzen ''also'' wrote during ''Warcraft III'', and voiced Thrall during that time - meaning the very ship he so despised was crafted from his material in the first place. One wonders how he didn't notice it earlier...
30th Jan '18 5:26:38 PM nombretomado
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* An odd real-world version exists in combat sports when regarding titles. Often, champions will walk away from organizations or be stripped for not defending their titles (due to injury or, some say, ducking competition). Also some champions have lost fights in non-title bouts. This has led many fans of boxing and MixedMartialArts to create unofficial "linear" champions based on who actually beat who for said title.

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* An odd real-world version exists in combat sports when regarding titles. Often, champions will walk away from organizations or be stripped for not defending their titles (due to injury or, some say, ducking competition). Also some champions have lost fights in non-title bouts. This has led many fans of boxing and MixedMartialArts UsefulNotes/MixedMartialArts to create unofficial "linear" champions based on who actually beat who for said title.
25th Jan '18 2:12:00 AM LondonKdS
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* The death of Ace in the final Seventh Doctor arc of the ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comic strip was widely seen as an aggressive attempt to prove that the comic was an AlternateContinuity to the Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures (the strip had tied into the [=NAs=] for a while beforehand, so they were retconning themselves with this as well). Following the series' return to TV, the comic's made mention of strips both during the tie-ins and after the split, but then "Who" ''is'' the series that gave us the TimeyWimeyBall...

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* The death of Ace in In the final Seventh Doctor arc of early 1990s, the ''Magazine/DoctorWhoMagazine'' comic strip had a period of Seventh Doctor strips explicitly sharing a continuity with the Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures spin-off novels, including the novels' original companion Bernice and darker aged-up version of Ace. However, when a new editor who strongly disliked the New Adventures was appointed, the strip moved to a run of stories featuring various earlier Doctor-companion teams. The last of these, the climax of a multi-story arc that led into the first major arc of the Eight Doctor strips, featured the Seventh Doctor and the younger Ace from the TV show, and shockingly killed her off at the climax. This was widely seen as an aggressive attempt to prove that knock the comic was an AlternateContinuity to the Literature/DoctorWhoNewAdventures (the strip had tied into the [=NAs=] for a while beforehand, so they were retconning themselves with this as well).New Adventures tie-in strips out of continuity. Following the series' return to TV, the comic's made mention of strips both during the tie-ins and after the split, but then "Who" ''is'' the series that gave us the TimeyWimeyBall...
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