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18th Jun '16 1:30:05 AM Doug86
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* In the [[Franchise/ArchieComics Archie Comics]] ''[[ComicBook/MegaMan Mega Man]]'' series, this is the relationship between Dr. Light and [[FlawedPrototype Break Man/Proto Man/Blues.]] Blues has some serious daddy issues, combined with a childish assumption that Light built Rock (Mega Man) and Roll as his replacements (rather than his siblings, as Light intended), leaving him very vulnerable to manipulation by Dr. Wily. Eventually, he becomes more an AntiHero antagonist, one who [[PoorCommunicationKills refuses to go to Dr. Light and work things out.]]
* From the MarvelUniverse: The Blue Marvel Adam Brashear's older son Kevin was lost in the Neutral Zone in a battle with a supervillain. Adam's younger son Max resented his father for not saving his brother. Max eventually became a super villain and fell in with terrorist organization, all in a bid to bring his brother back. This brought father and son into conflict. Fortunately, they eventually reconciled.

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* In the [[Franchise/ArchieComics Archie Comics]] ''[[ComicBook/MegaMan Mega Man]]'' Franchise/ArchieComics ''ComicBook/MegaMan'' series, this is the relationship between Dr. Light and [[FlawedPrototype Break Man/Proto Man/Blues.]] Blues has some serious daddy issues, combined with a childish assumption that Light built Rock (Mega Man) and Roll as his replacements (rather than his siblings, as Light intended), leaving him very vulnerable to manipulation by Dr. Wily. Eventually, he becomes more an AntiHero antagonist, one who [[PoorCommunicationKills refuses to go to Dr. Light and work things out.]]
* From the MarvelUniverse: Franchise/MarvelUniverse: The Blue Marvel Adam Brashear's older son Kevin was lost in the Neutral Zone in a battle with a supervillain. Adam's younger son Max resented his father for not saving his brother. Max eventually became a super villain and fell in with terrorist organization, all in a bid to bring his brother back. This brought father and son into conflict. Fortunately, they eventually reconciled.
12th Jun '16 6:20:03 PM Doug86
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* In some versions of the KingArthur mythos, the treacherous [[{{Archenemy}} Mordred]] is Arthur's son as well as his [[BrotherSisterIncest nephew]]. This never [[MutualKill ends well]]. In fact, that final battle is one of the older parts of the Arthur legend. Before his and Merlin's stories fused, long before Gwenhwyfar and round tables and lake ladies and his having any ''particular'' knights, there's a record of that battle.

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* In some versions of the KingArthur Myth/KingArthur mythos, the treacherous [[{{Archenemy}} Mordred]] is Arthur's son as well as his [[BrotherSisterIncest nephew]]. This never [[MutualKill ends well]]. In fact, that final battle is one of the older parts of the Arthur legend. Before his and Merlin's stories fused, long before Gwenhwyfar and round tables and lake ladies and his having any ''particular'' knights, there's a record of that battle.
30th May '16 7:55:25 PM Berrenta
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** Continuing this trend, [[EvilUncle Stryfe]] later captured Cable's son by Aliya Summers, [[BlondGuysAreEvil Tyler]] [[MasterOfIllusion Dayspring]], [[spoiler: In fact it's heavily implied i.e. all but said, that Tyler is in fact Stryfe's son due to the time when he pretended to be his Cable (nobody realized the two were physically identical for years because Stryfe was never seen unmasked by anybody else until they both came to the 20th century) and tricked Aliya into having sex with him]] and raised him to hate his father. As one of Stryfe's soldiers, Tyler attempted to murder Cable's friend, Dawnsilk, and was shot by his father for his efforts. Tyler's hatred for Cable turned [[ItsPersonal personal]] after this, and he travelled back to the past, adopting the identities of "Mister Tolliver" and "Genesis". He forced his father's team, Six-Pack, into conflict with [[PersonOfMassDestruction Stryfe]], leading them to disband, attempted to infiltrate and subvert X-Force, which Cable was leading, and again confronted his father when the latter was [[DemonicPossession possessed]] by Stryfe, an altercation which led to Stryfe's "death" and left Cable very traumatised. Tyler later declared himself Apocalypse's [[TheDragon heir]] and was killed by {{Wolverine}}; his ghost meets with Cable during a near-death experience and the two seem to have reconciled.

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** Continuing this trend, [[EvilUncle Stryfe]] later captured Cable's son by Aliya Summers, [[BlondGuysAreEvil Tyler]] [[MasterOfIllusion Tyler Dayspring]], [[spoiler: In fact it's heavily implied i.e. all but said, that Tyler is in fact Stryfe's son due to the time when he pretended to be his Cable (nobody realized the two were physically identical for years because Stryfe was never seen unmasked by anybody else until they both came to the 20th century) and tricked Aliya into having sex with him]] and raised him to hate his father. As one of Stryfe's soldiers, Tyler attempted to murder Cable's friend, Dawnsilk, and was shot by his father for his efforts. Tyler's hatred for Cable turned [[ItsPersonal personal]] after this, and he travelled back to the past, adopting the identities of "Mister Tolliver" and "Genesis". He forced his father's team, Six-Pack, into conflict with [[PersonOfMassDestruction Stryfe]], leading them to disband, attempted to infiltrate and subvert X-Force, which Cable was leading, and again confronted his father when the latter was [[DemonicPossession possessed]] by Stryfe, an altercation which led to Stryfe's "death" and left Cable very traumatised. Tyler later declared himself Apocalypse's [[TheDragon heir]] and was killed by {{Wolverine}}; his ghost meets with Cable during a near-death experience and the two seem to have reconciled.
27th May '16 6:14:55 PM WillKeaton
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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has the current Earth Queen, Hou-Ting, daughter of Earth King Kuei from the predecessor series ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Her dad was initially ineffective, being deceived by EvilChancellor Long Feng who kept himself the power behind the throne, he didn't have an evil bone in his body, and did a great deal of good afterward. Junior, on the other hand? She is [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen bad to the bone]]. She basically undid all the good things her father had done for Ba Sing Se, reducing it into a mess and overtaxing her people just so she could live a luxurious lifestyle. Plus, she hates animals while her father loved them, bounty hunters having hinted that she had probably eaten Bosco. And she had been capturing Airbenders to make them into her army to capture Republic City... at least, until [[spoiler:Zaheer kills her by airbending the oxygen out of her lungs]]. Fans all agree that it's the most NightmareFuel death in either series... and that she deserved it 100%.

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* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has the current Earth Queen, Hou-Ting, daughter of Earth King Kuei from the predecessor series ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Her dad was initially ineffective, being deceived by EvilChancellor Long Feng who kept himself the power behind the throne, but he didn't have an evil bone in his body, body and did a great deal of good afterward. Junior, on the other hand? She is [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen bad to the bone]]. She basically undid all the good things her father had done for Ba Sing Se, reducing it into a mess and overtaxing her people just so she could live a luxurious lifestyle. Plus, she hates animals while her father loved them, bounty hunters having hinted that she had probably eaten Bosco. And she had been capturing Airbenders to make them into her army to capture Republic City... at least, until [[spoiler:Zaheer kills her by airbending the oxygen out of her lungs]]. Fans all agree that it's the most NightmareFuel death in either series... and that she deserved it 100%.
27th May '16 6:13:08 PM WillKeaton
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* In the [[ComicBook/MegaMan Archie Comics Mega Man]] series, this is the relationship between Dr. Light and [[FlawedPrototype Break Man/Proto Man/Blues.]] Blues has some serious daddy issues, combined with a childish assumption that Light built Rock (Mega Man) and Roll as his replacements (rather than his siblings, as Light intended), leaving him very vulnerable to manipulation by Dr. Wily. Eventually, he becomes more an AntiHero antagonist, one who [[PoorCommunicationKills refuses to go to Dr. Light and work things out.]]

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* In the [[ComicBook/MegaMan [[Franchise/ArchieComics Archie Comics Comics]] ''[[ComicBook/MegaMan Mega Man]] Man]]'' series, this is the relationship between Dr. Light and [[FlawedPrototype Break Man/Proto Man/Blues.]] Blues has some serious daddy issues, combined with a childish assumption that Light built Rock (Mega Man) and Roll as his replacements (rather than his siblings, as Light intended), leaving him very vulnerable to manipulation by Dr. Wily. Eventually, he becomes more an AntiHero antagonist, one who [[PoorCommunicationKills refuses to go to Dr. Light and work things out.]]
14th May '16 1:28:08 AM Doug86
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* David Haller, aka Legion, is the son of ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' founder Charles Xavier and Holocaust survivor Gabrielle Haller. He's also a deeply disturbed young man with vast psionic powers and multiple personality disorder, including an alt that is modelled on a crazed terrorist who tried to kidnap him as a child. Institutionalised as a child, David eventually broke out, clashing frequently with both the X-Men and the ComicBook/NewMutants, both of whom were led by Xavier. David eventually integrated his personalities and tried to redeem himself, but this only created worse problems, as his attempted assassination of ComicBook/{{Magneto}} in the past resulted in Xavier's death and the creation of the Comicbook/AgeOfApocalypse timeline. David was briefly killed by Bishop following this. He's since turned up alive, trying to find peace in a Tibetan monastery, which he accidentally destroyed when he learned of [[spoiler:his father's death.]]

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* David Haller, aka Legion, is the son of ''Comicbook/{{X-Men}}'' ''Comicbook/XMen'' founder Charles Xavier and Holocaust survivor Gabrielle Haller. He's also a deeply disturbed young man with vast psionic powers and multiple personality disorder, including an alt that is modelled on a crazed terrorist who tried to kidnap him as a child. Institutionalised as a child, David eventually broke out, clashing frequently with both the X-Men and the ComicBook/NewMutants, both of whom were led by Xavier. David eventually integrated his personalities and tried to redeem himself, but this only created worse problems, as his attempted assassination of ComicBook/{{Magneto}} in the past resulted in Xavier's death and the creation of the Comicbook/AgeOfApocalypse timeline. David was briefly killed by Bishop following this. He's since turned up alive, trying to find peace in a Tibetan monastery, which he accidentally destroyed when he learned of [[spoiler:his father's death.]]
11th May '16 12:49:55 AM Spindriver
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Since most heroes in fiction are younger, this trope isn't as common as the ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch tropes. See OffingTheOffspring and SelfMadeOrphan for what this might lead to, and cranking it UpToEleven may result in GenocideFromTheInside. Can easily overlap with EnfanteTerrible and TeensAreMonsters, although it doesn't have to. If one party is unaware of the relationship, it might lead to a LukeIAmYourFather[=/=]LukeYouAreMyFather moment when the secret is outed. In fantasy works, this character stands a good chance of being a BastardBastard or TheEvilPrince. See EvilOrphan, for when the kid isn't actually yours, and CainAndAbel, for when they go gunning for their siblings instead of mom and dad. See also APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil for mentor relationships.

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Since most heroes in fiction are younger, this trope isn't as common as the ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch tropes. See OffingTheOffspring and SelfMadeOrphan for what this might lead to, and cranking it UpToEleven may result in GenocideFromTheInside. Can easily overlap with EnfanteTerrible and TeensAreMonsters, although it doesn't have to. If one party is unaware of the relationship, it might lead to a LukeIAmYourFather[=/=]LukeYouAreMyFather moment when the secret is outed. In fantasy works, this character stands a good chance of being a BastardBastard or TheEvilPrince. See EvilOrphan, for when the kid isn't actually yours, and CainAndAbel, for when they go gunning for their siblings instead of mom and dad. If the offspring finds allies, you have a dark version of FriendsAreChosenFamilyArent. See also APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil for mentor relationships.
19th Jan '16 10:21:55 AM Premonition45
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* In ''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens]]'', Kylo Ren [[spoiler: aka Ben Solo]] is this to his father [[spoiler: Han.]] This reaches the peak when Kylo [[spoiler: kills Han]].

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* In ''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens]]'', Kylo Ren [[spoiler: aka Ben Solo]] is this to his father parents [[spoiler: Han.Han Solo and Leia Organa.]] This reaches the peak when Kylo [[spoiler: kills Han]].
26th Dec '15 7:35:53 PM PrinceConor
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* In ''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens]]'', Kylo Ren [[spoiler: aka Ben Solo]] is this to his father [[spoiler: Han.]]

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* In ''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens]]'', Kylo Ren [[spoiler: aka Ben Solo]] is this to his father [[spoiler: Han.]]]] This reaches the peak when Kylo [[spoiler: kills Han]].
18th Dec '15 5:07:48 PM kquinn0830
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* In ''[[Film/TheForceAwakens Star Wars Episode VII The Force Awakens]]'', Kylo Ren [[spoiler: aka Ben Solo]] is this to his father [[spoiler: Han.]]
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