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19th Mar '17 9:09:28 AM Kaviiq
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**The ''Legion'' expansion fleshed out a few character backstories, giving us [[spoiler: Velen and his son, High General Rakeesh of the Burning Legion.]] In this case, neither parent nor child knew that they were at odds during their clash [[spoiler: as Rakeesh was kidnapped, renamed, and raised by [[MagnificentBastard Kil'jaeden]] when he was young, while Velen was led to believe that his son had been killed.]]
9th Mar '17 1:00:25 PM Pichu-kun
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* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', VillainProtagonist Light Yagami is a mass murderer, and his father Soichiro is the police chief trying to stop him. However, Soichiro is unaware of his son's secret life, [[spoiler:and he dies believing that his son is innocent.]]
** In the second live-action movie, Light actually wrote his father's name down. [[spoiler:Soichiro didn't die, but he did witness his son attempting to kill him.]]

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* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', VillainProtagonist Light Yagami is a mass murderer, and his father Soichiro is the police chief trying to stop him. However, Soichiro is unaware of his son's secret life, [[spoiler:and he dies believing that his son is innocent.]]
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]] In the second live-action movie, Light actually wrote his father's name down. [[spoiler:Soichiro didn't die, but he did witness his son attempting to kill him.]]



* In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', the [[BigBad main villain]], 'Father,' self-identified as Van Hohenheim's son back before he got godlike powers, and seems to have had a love-hate relationship with Hohenheim. For his part, Hohenheim had no idea about the hate until the Homunculus tricked the emperor into killing his entire country and funneling their souls into it, giving it the power to create a body. It shares half the souls with Hohenheim, then revels in his horror at his entire country being a DoomedHometown and [[IAmAMonster his new catchphrase]]. The next time they meet, they are enemies, with Hohenheim as the BigGood, and his son, mentor, EvilCounterpart, and creator as the BigBad.

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In ''Manga/FullmetalAlchemist'', the [[BigBad main villain]], 'Father,' self-identified as Van Hohenheim's son back before he got godlike powers, and seems to have had a love-hate relationship with Hohenheim. For his part, Hohenheim had no idea about the hate until the Homunculus tricked the emperor into killing his entire country and funneling their souls into it, giving it the power to create a body. It shares half the souls with Hohenheim, then revels in his horror at his entire country being a DoomedHometown and [[IAmAMonster his new catchphrase]]. The next time they meet, they are enemies, with Hohenheim as the BigGood, and his son, mentor, EvilCounterpart, and creator as the BigBad.



* Breezepelt in ''Literature/WarriorCats'': ''Power of Three'' and ''Omen of the Stars''. He's the son of [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Crowfeather]], but he [[spoiler: allies himself with the ghosts of the villains in an attempt to overthrow the society of the characters.]]

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Breezepelt in ''Literature/WarriorCats'': ''Power of Three'' and ''Omen of the Stars''. He's the son of [[JerkWithAHeartOfGold Crowfeather]], but he [[spoiler: allies himself with the ghosts of the villains in an attempt to overthrow the society of the characters.]]
12th Feb '17 9:47:12 AM Morgenthaler
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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter'', [[EvilSorcerer Death Eater]] Barty Crouch Jr. is this for his father, Ministry Official (and dark wizard hater) [[TheHunter Barty Crouch Sr]].

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* In ''Literature/HarryPotter'', [[EvilSorcerer Death Eater]] Barty Crouch Jr. is this for his father, Ministry Official (and dark wizard hater) [[TheHunter [[TheWitchHunter Barty Crouch Sr]].



* ''Series/{{Angel}}'': courtesy of a kidnapping by [[HeWhoFightsMonsters murderous]] [[VanHelsingHateCrimes vampire]] [[TheHunter hunter]] [[DiscOneFinalBoss Holtz]] and a subsequent stay in the hellish dimension of Quor-Toth, Angel's son Connor goes from baby to emotionally-stunted, angry [[TeensAreMonsters eighteen year old]] in the space of a few weeks, and carries a correspondingly huge grudge against his father, whom he blames for his situation and Holtz's murder ([[ThanatosGambit actually a frame job/suicide]]). He tries to kill Angel several times, even going so far as to trap the vampire in a steel box and sink him to the bottom of the ocean. He eventually pulls a HeelFaceTurn, but it's not until he's had his memories wiped (at Angel's request) that he is able to let go of his anger and find something approaching a normal life.

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* ''Series/{{Angel}}'': courtesy of a kidnapping by [[HeWhoFightsMonsters murderous]] [[VanHelsingHateCrimes vampire]] [[TheHunter [[VampireHunter hunter]] [[DiscOneFinalBoss Holtz]] and a subsequent stay in the hellish dimension of Quor-Toth, Angel's son Connor goes from baby to emotionally-stunted, angry [[TeensAreMonsters eighteen year old]] in the space of a few weeks, and carries a correspondingly huge grudge against his father, whom he blames for his situation and Holtz's murder ([[ThanatosGambit actually a frame job/suicide]]). He tries to kill Angel several times, even going so far as to trap the vampire in a steel box and sink him to the bottom of the ocean. He eventually pulls a HeelFaceTurn, but it's not until he's had his memories wiped (at Angel's request) that he is able to let go of his anger and find something approaching a normal life.
31st Jan '17 11:21:08 AM Doug86
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* Garrosh [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Hellscream]] becomes this through the plot of ''WorldOfWarcraft''. Son of Grom Hellscream, who grabbed the VillainBall and doomed the entire Orc race to be bound to demons, but later made up for it, Garrosh had one hell of a nasty legacy to live up to. A decent general and one hell of a warrior, Garrosh went further and further down into AntiVillain territory through the expansions as he got more and more responsibility he couldn't handle, and tried to make up for his father, his surrogate father's and his own mistakes the only way he knew; [[AxCrazy by the axe.]]

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* Garrosh [[NamesToRunAwayFromReallyFast Hellscream]] becomes this through the plot of ''WorldOfWarcraft''.''VideoGame/WorldOfWarcraft''. Son of Grom Hellscream, who grabbed the VillainBall and doomed the entire Orc race to be bound to demons, but later made up for it, Garrosh had one hell of a nasty legacy to live up to. A decent general and one hell of a warrior, Garrosh went further and further down into AntiVillain territory through the expansions as he got more and more responsibility he couldn't handle, and tried to make up for his father, his surrogate father's and his own mistakes the only way he knew; [[AxCrazy by the axe.]]
30th Jan '17 2:45:09 PM VicGeorge2011
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* Empath of ''Fanfic/EmpathTheLuckiestSmurf'' turns into this in "Papa Smurf & Mama Smurfette" when in an alternate timeline [[MayDecemberRomance Smurfette falls in love and marries Papa Smurf]], eventually leading Empath and his fellow Smurfs into a revolt where they force Papa Smurf, Smurfette, and all those loyal to the couple to leave the village.
8th Jan '17 5:19:49 PM nombretomado
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* ComicBook/{{Ultron}}, a [[AIIsACrapshoot homicidal robot]] created by [[Comicbook/AntMan Hank Pym]] of ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' refers to Pym as his father. It has also tried to kill him, ComicBook/TheAvengers, and [[KillAllHumans most of humanity]] at one point or another, and is rightly considered by Pym to be his {{Archenemy}}. Ironically, Ultron's attempts at creating its own offspring have also met with failure and {{Heel Face Turn}}s, making Ultron both an AntagonisticOffspring to Pym, and an ArchnemesisDad towards TheVision and [[ComicBook/{{Runaways}} Victor Mancha]].

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* ComicBook/{{Ultron}}, a [[AIIsACrapshoot homicidal robot]] created by [[Comicbook/AntMan Hank Pym]] of ''ComicBook/TheAvengers'' refers to Pym as his father. It has also tried to kill him, ComicBook/TheAvengers, and [[KillAllHumans most of humanity]] at one point or another, and is rightly considered by Pym to be his {{Archenemy}}. Ironically, Ultron's attempts at creating its own offspring have also met with failure and {{Heel Face Turn}}s, making Ultron both an AntagonisticOffspring to Pym, and an ArchnemesisDad towards TheVision ComicBook/TheVision and [[ComicBook/{{Runaways}} Victor Mancha]].
8th Jan '17 1:44:05 PM nombretomado
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* In ''UltimateMarvel'', Captain America's {{Archenemy}} The ComicBook/RedSkull, is his son by Gail Richards. Growing up on a military base following his father's apparent death, the Skull hid his resentment of Cap until he was [[TeensAreMonsters 17]]; when he finally attempted escape, killed upwards of two hundred people on the base, and, in a final act of rebellion against his father, [[SelfHarm mutilated his own face]] [[SkullForAHead by skinning it]]. He would go on to become a [[PsychoForHire hired]] [[ProfessionalKiller assassin]], undertaking numerous missions for terror groups like AIM--including [[WhoShotJFK assassinating JFK]]--before coming up against the resurrected Captain America after being hired to steal the [[ArtifactOfDoom Cosmic Cube]]. The battle between father and son left numerous people dead, and ultimately ended in the Skull's death, after he was hospitilised by Cap and then killed by the mother of one of his victims.

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* In ''UltimateMarvel'', ''ComicBook/UltimateMarvel'', Captain America's {{Archenemy}} The ComicBook/RedSkull, is his son by Gail Richards. Growing up on a military base following his father's apparent death, the Skull hid his resentment of Cap until he was [[TeensAreMonsters 17]]; when he finally attempted escape, killed upwards of two hundred people on the base, and, in a final act of rebellion against his father, [[SelfHarm mutilated his own face]] [[SkullForAHead by skinning it]]. He would go on to become a [[PsychoForHire hired]] [[ProfessionalKiller assassin]], undertaking numerous missions for terror groups like AIM--including [[WhoShotJFK assassinating JFK]]--before coming up against the resurrected Captain America after being hired to steal the [[ArtifactOfDoom Cosmic Cube]]. The battle between father and son left numerous people dead, and ultimately ended in the Skull's death, after he was hospitilised by Cap and then killed by the mother of one of his victims.
16th Dec '16 12:00:58 AM memememememe
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Since most heroes in fiction are younger, this trope isn't as common as the ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch tropes. See OffingTheOffspring and SelfMadeOrphan for what this might lead to, and cranking it UpToEleven may result in GenocideFromTheInside. Can easily overlap with EnfanteTerrible and TeensAreMonsters, although it doesn't have to. If one party is unaware of the relationship, it might lead to a LukeIAmYourFather[=/=]LukeYouAreMyFather moment when the secret is outed. In fantasy works, this character stands a good chance of being a BastardBastard or TheEvilPrince. See EvilOrphan, for when the kid isn't actually yours, and CainAndAbel, for when they go gunning for their siblings instead of mom and dad. If the offspring finds allies, you have a dark version of FriendsAreChosenFamilyArent. See also APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil for mentor relationships.

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Since most heroes in fiction are younger, this trope isn't as common as the ArchnemesisDad and EvilMatriarch tropes. [[AllPsychologyIsFreudian Freudian psychology]] often justifies this through a theory known as the OedipusComplex. See OffingTheOffspring and SelfMadeOrphan for what this might lead to, and cranking it UpToEleven may result in GenocideFromTheInside. Can easily overlap with EnfanteTerrible and TeensAreMonsters, although it doesn't have to. If one party is unaware of the relationship, it might lead to a LukeIAmYourFather[=/=]LukeYouAreMyFather moment when the secret is outed. In fantasy works, this character stands a good chance of being a BastardBastard or TheEvilPrince. See EvilOrphan, for when the kid isn't actually yours, and CainAndAbel, for when they go gunning for their siblings instead of mom and dad. If the offspring finds allies, you have a dark version of FriendsAreChosenFamilyArent. See also APupilOfMineUntilHeTurnedToEvil for mentor relationships.
27th Nov '16 1:47:46 PM rafi
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* In ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'', with its NationsAsPeople cast, [[LoveFreak America]] is this to [[BritishStuffiness England]]. Unsurprisingly.
-->'''America''': At least I don't have to eat your ''scones'' [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution anymore]].\\
'''England:''' ''[furious]'' Those scones were a recipe passed down from my Mumsie!
* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', VillainProtagonist Light Yagami is a mass murderer, and his father Soichiro is the police chief trying to stop him. However, Soichiro is unaware of his son's secret life, [[spoiler:and he dies believing that his son is innocent.]]
** In the second live-action movie, Light actually wrote his father's name down. [[spoiler:Soichiro didn't die, but he did witness his son attempting to kill him.]]
* ''Manga/FairyTail'': After being excommunicated from Fairy Tail for unspecified reasons, the guild master's son, Ivan, forms his own guild called Raven Tail. They exists almost entirely to antagonize Fairy Tail.
** [[spoiler:It's revealed that this is the ''true'' purpose of the Etherious -- to kill their creator, [[DeathSeeker Zeref]]. Only Mard Geer and E.N.D. know this, the former because he is acting in the place of the latter as guild master of Tartoros, and the latter because he is the only demon with the power to do the deed]].
* In ''Manga/FruitsBasket'', Akito, who has a HUGE FreudianExcuse for [[spoiler:her]] behavior, tried to strangle AbusiveParent Ren for claiming that the Zodiac members will leave Akito behind. Thankfully for Ren, Hatori pulled Akito away before she was killed.



* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has a variation. While Lady Chiyo's son and daughter-in-law were lovely people, her grandson Sasori (whom she raised after his parents' deaths) is a homicidal maniac who murdered his village's leader and turned him into a puppet. He later joins up with the Akatsuki, and helps to kidnap the village's new leader, resulting in a lethal confrontation between himself and his grandmother.



* In ''Manga/FruitsBasket'', Akito, who has a HUGE FreudianExcuse for [[spoiler:her]] behavior, tried to strangle AbusiveParent Ren for claiming that the Zodiac members will leave Akito behind. Thankfully for Ren, Hatori pulled Akito away before she was killed.
* In ''Manga/DeathNote'', VillainProtagonist Light Yagami is a mass murderer, and his father Soichiro is the police chief trying to stop him. However, Soichiro is unaware of his son's secret life, [[spoiler:and he dies believing that his son is innocent.]]
** In the second live-action movie, Light actually wrote his father's name down. [[spoiler:Soichiro didn't die, but he did witness his son attempting to kill him.]]
* ''Manga/FairyTail'': After being excommunicated from Fairy Tail for unspecified reasons, the guild master's son, Ivan, forms his own guild called Raven Tail. They exists almost entirely to antagonize Fairy Tail.
** [[spoiler:It's revealed that this is the ''true'' purpose of the Etherious -- to kill their creator, [[DeathSeeker Zeref]]. Only Mard Geer and E.N.D. know this, the former because he is acting in the place of the latter as guild master of Tartoros, and the latter because he is the only demon with the power to do the deed]].
* In ''Webcomic/AxisPowersHetalia'', with its NationsAsPeople cast, [[LoveFreak America]] is this to [[BritishStuffiness England]]. Unsurprisingly.
-->'''America''': At least I don't have to eat your ''scones'' [[UsefulNotes/TheAmericanRevolution anymore]].\\
'''England:''' ''[furious]'' Those scones were a recipe passed down from my Mumsie!
* ''Manga/{{Naruto}}'' has a variation. While Lady Chiyo's son and daughter-in-law were lovely people, her grandson Sasori (whom she raised after his parents' deaths) is a homicidal maniac who murdered his village's leader and turned him into a puppet. He later joins up with the Akatsuki, and helps to kidnap the village's new leader, resulting in a lethal confrontation between himself and his grandmother.



* Korinna and Jupiter Ducklair of ''Pk2'', the sequel of ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'', have a deep hatred for their father because they feel [[spoiler:robbed them of their destiny to become rulers of the planet Corona]].

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* Korinna and Jupiter Ducklair of ''Pk2'', ''[=PK2=]'', the sequel of ''ComicBook/PaperinikNewAdventures'', have a deep hatred for their father because they feel [[spoiler:robbed them of their destiny to become rulers of the planet Corona]].



* ''WesternAnimation/ElTigre'': Manny Rivera's Granpapi wants him to become this. Granpapi himself was this to his own father, whose father was this to ''his'' father. The Rivera family is a chain of this.
* PlayedForLaughs by ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'''s [[EnfantTerrible Stewie Griffin]] (source of our page image), a sociopathic ChildProdigy and SissyVillain who antagonises both his mother and father with varying results.
* On ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}},'' [[EvilTwin Thailog]], a clone, has this relationship to his "father" [[TheHero Goliath]], and to a lesser extent his other creators, [[MagnificentBastard Xanatos]] and [[EvilutionaryBiologist Dr. Sevarius]]. While he considers Goliath "weak," he rejects the latter two for trying to control him, but he certainly inherits their propensities for [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] and evil.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has the current Earth Queen, Hou-Ting, daughter of Earth King Kuei from the predecessor series ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Her dad was initially ineffective, being deceived by EvilChancellor Long Feng who kept himself the power behind the throne, but he didn't have an evil bone in his body and did a great deal of good afterward. Junior, on the other hand? She is [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen bad to the bone]]. She basically undid all the good things her father had done for Ba Sing Se, reducing it into a mess and overtaxing her people just so she could live a luxurious lifestyle. Plus, she hates animals while her father loved them, bounty hunters having hinted that she had probably eaten Bosco. And she had been capturing Airbenders to make them into her army to capture Republic City... at least, until [[spoiler:Zaheer kills her by airbending the oxygen out of her lungs]]. Fans all agree that it's the most NightmareFuel death in either series... and that she deserved it 100%.
** Baatar Jr. grows into one for his mother, Suyin, assisting [[KnightTemplar Kuvira]] in taking over the Earth Kingdom and him declaring that he's all but eager to take Zaofu by force.
* ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' features an adaptation of the Carnage storyline. When Dormammu returns TheSymbiote to Venom, a part of it attaches to his cellmate, Kletus Cassady (who in this adaptation is a MadBomber rather than a SerialKiller), creating [[PsychoForHire Carnage]]. The two of them briefly work together as Dormammu's CoDragons, referring to one another as "offspring" and "dad". Following Carnage's attack on Venom's crush, however, and the latter's subsequent capture by Spider-Man, Venom undergoes a HeelFaceTurn and ultimately sacrifices himself to destroy Carnage and end Dormammu's EvilPlan.



* PlayedForLaughs by ''WesternAnimation/FamilyGuy'''s [[EnfantTerrible Stewie Griffin]] (source of our page image), a sociopathic ChildProdigy and SissyVillain who antagonises both his mother and father with varying results.
* On ''WesternAnimation/{{Gargoyles}},'' [[EvilTwin Thailog]], a clone, has this relationship to his "father" [[TheHero Goliath]], and to a lesser extent his other creators, [[MagnificentBastard Xanatos]] and [[EvilutionaryBiologist Dr. Sevarius]]. While he considers Goliath "weak," he rejects the latter two for trying to control him, but he certainly inherits their propensities for [[ManipulativeBastard manipulation]] and evil.
* ''WesternAnimation/SpiderManTheAnimatedSeries'' features an adaptation of the Carnage storyline. When Dormammu returns TheSymbiote to Venom, a part of it attaches to his cellmate, Kletus Cassady (who in this adaptation is a MadBomber rather than a SerialKiller), creating [[PsychoForHire Carnage]]. The two of them briefly work together as Dormammu's CoDragons, referring to one another as "offspring" and "dad". Following Carnage's attack on Venom's crush, however, and the latter's subsequent capture by Spider-Man, Venom undergoes a HeelFaceTurn and ultimately sacrifices himself to destroy Carnage and end Dormammu's EvilPlan.
* ''WesternAnimation/ElTigre'': Manny Rivera's Granpapi wants him to become this. Granpapi himself was this to his own father, whose father was this to ''his'' father. The Rivera family is a chain of this.
* ''WesternAnimation/TheLegendOfKorra'' has the current Earth Queen, Hou-Ting, daughter of Earth King Kuei from the predecessor series ''WesternAnimation/AvatarTheLastAirbender''. Her dad was initially ineffective, being deceived by EvilChancellor Long Feng who kept himself the power behind the throne, but he didn't have an evil bone in his body and did a great deal of good afterward. Junior, on the other hand? She is [[GodSaveUsFromTheQueen bad to the bone]]. She basically undid all the good things her father had done for Ba Sing Se, reducing it into a mess and overtaxing her people just so she could live a luxurious lifestyle. Plus, she hates animals while her father loved them, bounty hunters having hinted that she had probably eaten Bosco. And she had been capturing Airbenders to make them into her army to capture Republic City... at least, until [[spoiler:Zaheer kills her by airbending the oxygen out of her lungs]]. Fans all agree that it's the most NightmareFuel death in either series... and that she deserved it 100%.
** Baatar Jr. grows into one for his mother, Suyin, assisting [[KnightTemplar Kuvira]] in taking over the Earth Kingdom and him declaring that he's all but eager to take Zaofu by force.
12th Nov '16 9:05:01 PM DustSnitch
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* Myth/RussianMythologyAndTales include the tale of Sokolnik, a [[BastardBastard bastard]] son of Ilya Muromets (the {{badass}} among badasses), who turned to a life of crime and eventually tried CallingTheOldManOut, with less than pretty results.

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* Myth/RussianMythologyAndTales include the tale of Sokolnik, a [[BastardBastard bastard]] son of Ilya Muromets (the {{badass}} badass among badasses), who turned to a life of crime and eventually tried CallingTheOldManOut, with less than pretty results.
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