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5th Oct '17 8:53:23 PM Angeldeb82
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* '''You will see:''' The LittlestCancerPatient, desperate for the laboratory to come up with a miracle cure; those who owe their lives to the research in the lab; families of seriously ill patients; affable scientists dedicated to preserving human life; the AnimalWrongsGroup, possibly the scientists looking after the animals and a few [[YouDirtyRat rats]] pottering around their cages in some fairly benign experiments. Rarely, GodwinsLaw is invoked on those protesting against it (see below), [[FalseDichotomy equating that those who don't support animal testing must support experimentation on humans instead.]]

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* '''You will see:''' The LittlestCancerPatient, desperate for the laboratory to come up with a miracle cure; those who owe their lives to the research in the lab; families of seriously ill patients; affable scientists dedicated to preserving human life; the AnimalWrongsGroup, possibly the scientists looking after the animals and a few [[YouDirtyRat rats]] pottering around their cages in some fairly benign experiments. Rarely, GodwinsLaw is invoked on those protesting against it (see below), [[FalseDichotomy equating that those who don't support animal testing must support experimentation on humans instead.]]instead]].



* In ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Portal2}}'' animal testing is mentioned a little bit and is implied to happen at the end of the multiplier campaign in the sequel. The only stance on animal testing that game takes, however, is that it is less fun and scientifically productive than human testing.

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* In ''VideoGame/{{Portal}}'' and ''VideoGame/{{Portal2}}'' ''VideoGame/{{Portal 2}}'' animal testing is mentioned a little bit and is implied to happen at the end of the multiplier campaign in the sequel. The only stance on animal testing that game takes, however, is that it is less fun and scientifically productive than human testing. testing.
* Discussed and parodied in ''VideoGame/NightTrap'': In the second part of the bathroom, Megan criticizes Lisa for trying to prime herself with her makeup, telling her that scientists should use cosmetic testing with her makeup on rats "before they let people like [her] play with it". Megan then demonstrates by pretending her hand is a rat facing torture by cosmetic testing, all the while using her squeaky mouse voice, as a way to mock Lisa. [[SugarWiki/FunnyMoments It's pretty hilarious.]]
26th Sep '17 7:52:44 PM TheBen
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* Another cosmetics-testing example, back when it was making headlines: a ''ComicStrip/BloomCounty'' story arc had Opus thinking his mother was one of these for Mary Kay cosmetics. He ends up caught between the Mary Kay commandos and a terrorist animal-freedom group in a shootout.

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* Another cosmetics-testing example, back when it was making headlines: a ''ComicStrip/BloomCounty'' story arc had Opus thinking his mother was one of these a lab rat... er, penguin for Mary Kay cosmetics. He cosmetics, although Breathed took it as an opportunity to lampoon animal testing in general. Thumper-esque rabbits had their eyelids dipped in oven cleaner and were injected with Nyquil "until 50 percent of subjects die", in reference to [[ShownTheirWork real-life LD50 tests]]. In typical Bloom County fashion, Opus ends up caught in a shootout between the Mary pink Uzi-wielding "Mary Kay commandos commandos" and a terrorist animal-freedom group in who couldn't afford to take care of the animals they stole. According to Breathed, Mary Kay herself later sent him a shootout.letter [[SarcasmMode thanking him for all the attention]].
12th Jul '17 9:15:53 AM xcountryguy
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The actual term can cover a number of things, which raise different dilemmas...and different levels of controversy. Behavioral experiments, like that of rats in mazes or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_dogs Pavlov's dog]] don't tend to raise too many hackles unless physical or psychological trauma is involved (i.e. raising a baby animal in total isolation to see how its development is affected). Cutting animals open while still alive (vivisection) usually turns up in FreeTheFrogs plots and sci-fi/horror films, usually involving a degree of moral dilemma. Medical testing (using animals to test new drugs and procedures in order to benefit human patients) is probably the most contested minefield, with both staunch supporters and equally determined detractors. Cosmetic testing (using animals to test lipstick, shampoo, mascara etc.) rarely turns up in the media, unless the scientist is a villain in an animal-centric show. If it does show up, it is almost always exaggerated and even sometimes PlayedForLaughs, especially since using animals for cosmetics testing is falling out of favor--cultured human cell lines are turning out to be much more useful and better for PR.

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The actual term can cover a number of things, which raise different dilemmas... and different levels of controversy. Behavioral experiments, like that of rats in mazes or [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pavlov%27s_dogs Pavlov's dog]] don't tend to raise too many hackles unless physical or psychological trauma is involved (i.e. raising a baby animal in total isolation to see how its development is affected). Cutting animals open while still alive (vivisection) usually turns up in FreeTheFrogs plots and sci-fi/horror films, usually involving a degree of moral dilemma. Medical testing (using animals to test new drugs and procedures in order to benefit human patients) is probably the most contested minefield, with both staunch supporters and equally determined detractors. Cosmetic testing (using animals to test lipstick, shampoo, mascara etc.) rarely turns up in the media, unless the scientist is a villain in an animal-centric show. If it does show up, it is almost always exaggerated and even sometimes PlayedForLaughs, especially since using animals for cosmetics testing is falling out of favor--cultured human cell lines are turning out to be much more useful and better for PR.



** Not to mention the experiments Neville performs on the dark seekers, whom he doesn't see as humans. [[spoiler: At first.]]

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** Not to mention the experiments Neville performs on the dark seekers, whom he doesn't see as humans. [[spoiler: At [[spoiler:At first.]]



* Documentaries...well sort of. No matter how much they try to present a balanced argument, most end up on the "Animal Rights people are nuts/ Science is Good" side of the argument through the use of interview and commentary.

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* Documentaries... well sort of. No matter how much they try to present a balanced argument, most end up on the "Animal Rights people are nuts/ Science is Good" side of the argument through the use of interview and commentary.



* ''Literature/{{Felidae}}'' had a number of horrific experiments detailed in a researcher's journal. Said researcher, Dr. Pretarius, was attempting to create a sort of "glue" for injuries, using cats as test subjects. It's pretty gruesome (and involves questionable methodology), as the glue eats away at flesh and bone rather than binding wounds together, but there's no real malice from the scientists initially. The glue only works on a single cat named Claudandus, possibly due to a minor mutation. As the project hits more dead ends, money begins running out, and his assistants leave him, Pretarius goes mad and starts cutting Claudandus apart and gluing him back together in every way he can imagine, just for kicks. [[spoiler: He's eventually killed by the very same cat, who then goes on to try and wipe out humanity.]]

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* ''Literature/{{Felidae}}'' had a number of horrific experiments detailed in a researcher's journal. Said researcher, Dr. Pretarius, was attempting to create a sort of "glue" for injuries, using cats as test subjects. It's pretty gruesome (and involves questionable methodology), as the glue eats away at flesh and bone rather than binding wounds together, but there's no real malice from the scientists initially. The glue only works on a single cat named Claudandus, possibly due to a minor mutation. As the project hits more dead ends, money begins running out, and his assistants leave him, Pretarius goes mad and starts cutting Claudandus apart and gluing him back together in every way he can imagine, just for kicks. [[spoiler: He's [[spoiler:He's eventually killed by the very same cat, who then goes on to try and wipe out humanity.]]



** There's then the subplot, which involves D's "long-lost sister" being sent to visit him by her father...with the explicit purpose of him taking whatever organs or body parts he needs for an unspecified illness he's suffering from. When D refuses to accept that offer, she promptly attacks him, furious that her big brother doesn't "need" her as she was always told. [[spoiler:It turns out that the "sister" was actually an orangutan and D ultimately does use its blood as a cure, after his pets are forced to kill it.]]
* Another Akino manga, ''Genju No Seiza'', features a plotline where the animals killed via animal testing start possessing living animals in the area. Again, it's technically ambiguous -- Fuuto can hear the animals' torment as they die, frightened and in agony...but can also sense the lead doctor's desire/desperation to save people who otherwise face a slow death. The doctor pulls the "well, you eat meat, don't you?" card, stopping Fuuto in his tracks as he berates the doctor. However, the doctor appears to be operating illegally (using an AbandonedHospital), and his gene splicing results in an unnatural hell-beast that cannot be calmed by any of the Guardian Beasts, and which ultimately attacks Fuuto. Coupled with the test subjects' desperate cries for help that are repeated throughout the chapter...''Genju'' comes out slightly more on the animals' side than ''Petshop''.

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** There's then the subplot, which involves D's "long-lost sister" being sent to visit him by her father... with the explicit purpose of him taking whatever organs or body parts he needs for an unspecified illness he's suffering from. When D refuses to accept that offer, she promptly attacks him, furious that her big brother doesn't "need" her as she was always told. [[spoiler:It turns out that the "sister" was actually an orangutan and D ultimately does use its blood as a cure, after his pets are forced to kill it.]]
* Another Akino manga, ''Genju No Seiza'', features a plotline where the animals killed via animal testing start possessing living animals in the area. Again, it's technically ambiguous -- Fuuto can hear the animals' torment as they die, frightened and in agony... but can also sense the lead doctor's desire/desperation to save people who otherwise face a slow death. The doctor pulls the "well, you eat meat, don't you?" card, stopping Fuuto in his tracks as he berates the doctor. However, the doctor appears to be operating illegally (using an AbandonedHospital), and his gene splicing results in an unnatural hell-beast that cannot be calmed by any of the Guardian Beasts, and which ultimately attacks Fuuto. Coupled with the test subjects' desperate cries for help that are repeated throughout the chapter... ''Genju'' comes out slightly more on the animals' side than ''Petshop''.



** In ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', the scientist uses the results of his research to help his dementia-addled father, but the drug company he works for is really only in it [[MoneyDearBoy for the money]] to start off with, and Cesear's heightened intelligence does little more than alienate him from both apes and humans [[spoiler: until he infects the other apes with the virus]].

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** In ''Film/RiseOfThePlanetOfTheApes'', the scientist uses the results of his research to help his dementia-addled father, but the drug company he works for is really only in it [[MoneyDearBoy for the money]] to start off with, and Cesear's heightened intelligence does little more than alienate him from both apes and humans [[spoiler: until [[spoiler:until he infects the other apes with the virus]].



* In ''Literature/AStudyInScarlet'', Sherlock Holmes tests what he believes to be poison by feeding it to a dog. [[spoiler: He's right, and the dog dies]]. However, it's pointed out in detail that the dog is very old, is suffering, is nearly about to die of natural causes anyway, and the landlady had asked Watson yesterday to put it out of its misery.

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* In ''Literature/AStudyInScarlet'', Sherlock Holmes tests what he believes to be poison by feeding it to a dog. [[spoiler: He's [[spoiler:He's right, and the dog dies]]. However, it's pointed out in detail that the dog is very old, is suffering, is nearly about to die of natural causes anyway, and the landlady had asked Watson yesterday to put it out of its misery.



* Professor Farnsworth of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' is not above the using occasional animal test subject. In one episode, he creates a hat that turns a monkey into a super-genius, which of course causes the monkey to be miserable [[spoiler: until the hat is damaged, leaving him with just average human intelligence]].

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* Professor Farnsworth of ''WesternAnimation/{{Futurama}}'' is not above the using occasional animal test subject. In one episode, he creates a hat that turns a monkey into a super-genius, which of course causes the monkey to be miserable [[spoiler: until [[spoiler:until the hat is damaged, leaving him with just average human intelligence]].
16th Jun '17 10:46:56 AM nombretomado
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* ''Literature/ThePlagueDogs'' seems to oppose animal testing in crushingly depressing, gory, [[Creator/IngmarBergman Bergman]]-esque watercolor animation. Just in case any kiddies are watching this film because of ''WatershipDown'', you have a ShoutOut: in the first 5 minutes the dogs walk through a room full of immobilized rabbit heads in the dark. Apparently [[WordOfGod the author stated]] that he wasn't looking to make the message against vivisection, but a story about the brutality of modern society and humanity in general. Whether or not it supports anything, one of the dogs does comment about the testing, that "It must do ''some'' good..." The book is much different and that example is under the "ambiguous" sections.

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* ''Literature/ThePlagueDogs'' seems to oppose animal testing in crushingly depressing, gory, [[Creator/IngmarBergman Bergman]]-esque watercolor animation. Just in case any kiddies are watching this film because of ''WatershipDown'', ''WesternAnimation/WatershipDown'', you have a ShoutOut: in the first 5 minutes the dogs walk through a room full of immobilized rabbit heads in the dark. Apparently [[WordOfGod the author stated]] that he wasn't looking to make the message against vivisection, but a story about the brutality of modern society and humanity in general. Whether or not it supports anything, one of the dogs does comment about the testing, that "It must do ''some'' good..." The book is much different and that example is under the "ambiguous" sections.
23rd Mar '17 1:44:13 AM Carnel
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It's pretty obvious that even in fiction, there are no easy answers. For a start, whichever side of the debate that the show/book/comic falls in, it will probably caricature the other side - either scientists are evil animal killers who will do anything ForScience, or anyone who has anything to do with animal rights is a misinformed and fanatical vigilante or a NaziByAnyOtherName. It would be extremely unusual for a scientist and an animal rights person to sit down and have a civil conversation about their differing points of view (for a start, it makes for [[RuleOfDrama pretty bad drama]].)

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It's pretty obvious that even in fiction, there are no easy answers. For a start, whichever side of the debate that the show/book/comic falls in, it will probably caricature the other side - either scientists are evil animal killers who will do anything ForScience, or anyone who has anything to do with animal rights is a misinformed and fanatical vigilante or a NaziByAnyOtherName.ANaziByAnyOtherName. It would be extremely unusual for a scientist and an animal rights person to sit down and have a civil conversation about their differing points of view (for a start, it makes for [[RuleOfDrama pretty bad drama]].)
23rd Mar '17 1:43:48 AM Carnel
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* '''You will probably NOT see''': the people whose lives have been saved via medical research; their families; the actual point of the procedures themselves; the ordinary lives of the scientists; the animals being looked after in any way; proposals for a viable alternative ([[ThoseWackyNazis some]] tried [[TestedOnHumans less acceptable ones]]).

It's pretty obvious that even in fiction, there are no easy answers. For a start, whichever side of the debate that the show/book/comic falls in, it will probably caricature the other side - either scientists are evil animal killers who will do anything ForScience, or anyone who has anything to do with animal rights is a misinformed and fanatical vigilante. It would be extremely unusual for a scientist and an animal rights person to sit down and have a civil conversation about their differing points of view (for a start, it makes for [[RuleOfDrama pretty bad drama]].)

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* '''You will probably NOT see''': the people whose lives have been saved via medical research; their families; the actual point of the procedures themselves; the ordinary lives of the scientists; the animals being looked after in any way; proposals for a viable alternative ([[ThoseWackyNazis some]] tried [[TestedOnHumans less acceptable ones]]).

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It's pretty obvious that even in fiction, there are no easy answers. For a start, whichever side of the debate that the show/book/comic falls in, it will probably caricature the other side - either scientists are evil animal killers who will do anything ForScience, or anyone who has anything to do with animal rights is a misinformed and fanatical vigilante.vigilante or a NaziByAnyOtherName. It would be extremely unusual for a scientist and an animal rights person to sit down and have a civil conversation about their differing points of view (for a start, it makes for [[RuleOfDrama pretty bad drama]].)
4th Mar '17 6:10:13 PM Carnel
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* '''You will see:''' The LittlestCancerPatient, desperate for the laboratory to come up with a miracle cure; those who owe their lives to the research in the lab; families of seriously ill patients; affable scientists dedicated to preserving human life; the AnimalWrongsGroup, possibly the scientists looking after the animals and a few [[YouDirtyRat rats]] pottering around their cages in some fairly benign experiments.

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* '''You will see:''' The LittlestCancerPatient, desperate for the laboratory to come up with a miracle cure; those who owe their lives to the research in the lab; families of seriously ill patients; affable scientists dedicated to preserving human life; the AnimalWrongsGroup, possibly the scientists looking after the animals and a few [[YouDirtyRat rats]] pottering around their cages in some fairly benign experiments. Rarely, GodwinsLaw is invoked on those protesting against it (see below), [[FalseDichotomy equating that those who don't support animal testing must support experimentation on humans instead.]]



* '''You will probably NOT see''': the people whose lives have been saved via medical research; their families; the actual point of the procedures themselves; the ordinary lives of the scientists; the animals being looked after in any way; proposals for a viable alternative ([[ThoseWackyNazis some]] tried less acceptable ones).

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* '''You will probably NOT see''': the people whose lives have been saved via medical research; their families; the actual point of the procedures themselves; the ordinary lives of the scientists; the animals being looked after in any way; proposals for a viable alternative ([[ThoseWackyNazis some]] tried [[TestedOnHumans less acceptable ones).ones]]).



See also AnimalWrongsGroup and ScienceIsBad for in-universe negative connotations towards this.

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See also AnimalWrongsGroup and ScienceIsBad for in-universe negative connotations towards this.
this. See TestedOnHumans for the ''much maligned'' [[TakeAThirdOption third option]].
18th Jan '17 4:52:59 AM thatawesomedude13
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* ''VideoGame/Whiplash''.You play as two animals attempting to escape a lab.Note the sheer ridiculousness of the experiments being performed

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* ''VideoGame/Whiplash''.''VideoGame/{{Whiplash}}''.You play as two animals attempting to escape a lab.Note the sheer ridiculousness of the experiments being performed
18th Jan '17 4:52:01 AM thatawesomedude13
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* ''VideoGame/Whiplash''.You play as two animals attempting to escape a lab.Note the sheer ridiculousness of the experiments being performed
27th Dec '16 5:44:41 PM Dravencour
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* '''You will see:''' The LittlestCancerPatient, desperate for the laboratory to come up with a miracle cure; those who owe their lives to the research in the lab; familes of seriously ill patients; affable scientists dedicated to preserving human life; the Animal Wrongs Group, possibly the scientists looking after the animals and a few [[YouDirtyRat rats]] pottering around their cages in some fairly benign experiments.

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* '''You will see:''' The LittlestCancerPatient, desperate for the laboratory to come up with a miracle cure; those who owe their lives to the research in the lab; familes families of seriously ill patients; affable scientists dedicated to preserving human life; the Animal Wrongs Group, AnimalWrongsGroup, possibly the scientists looking after the animals and a few [[YouDirtyRat rats]] pottering around their cages in some fairly benign experiments. experiments.
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