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22nd Jul '16 10:14:02 PM superboy313
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From a theological perspective, it's a bit muddled. (Oftentimes you can end up with situations where the angels and demons ''are'' squid. Those go here too.) Can result in TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil--angels, demons, and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, respectively. If the angels are rarely seen expect EvilVersusOblivion (devils and squid, respectively). If GodAndSatanAreBothJerks and the squid match the usual reputation, you've got yourself a thoroughly CrapsackWorld. If the setting doesn't limit itself to just the Abrahamic and Lovecraftian pantheons, then you've got a full-fledged FantasyKitchenSink on your hands. The Lovecraftian monstrosities may not actually be squidlike; that's just a stereotype. Of course it could follow the classic type of alignment, with the angels being good, the devils being evil, and the squid running on BlueAndOrangeMorality.

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From a theological perspective, it's a bit muddled. (Oftentimes you can end up with situations where the angels and demons ''are'' squid. Those go here too.) Can result in TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil--angels, demons, and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, respectively. If the angels are rarely seen expect EvilVersusOblivion (devils and squid, respectively). If GodAndSatanAreBothJerks and the squid match the usual reputation, you've got yourself a thoroughly CrapsackWorld. If the setting doesn't limit itself to just the Abrahamic and Lovecraftian pantheons, then you've got a full-fledged FantasyKitchenSink on your hands. The Lovecraftian monstrosities may not actually be squidlike; that's just a stereotype. Of course it could follow the classic a more traditional type of alignment, with the angels being good, the devils being evil, and the squid running on BlueAndOrangeMorality.
13th Jul '16 6:21:09 PM superboy313
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From a theological perspective, it's a bit muddled. (Oftentimes you can end up with situations where the angels and demons ''are'' squid. Those go here too.) Can result in TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil--angels, demons, and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, respectively. If the angels are rarely seen expect EvilVersusOblivion (devils and squid, respectively). If GodAndSatanAreBothJerks and the squid match the usual reputation, you've got yourself a thoroughly CrapsackWorld. If the setting doesn't limit itself to just the Abrahamic and Lovecraftian pantheons, then you've got a full-fledged FantasyKitchenSink on your hands. The Lovecraftian monstrosities may not actually be squidlike; that's just a stereotype.

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From a theological perspective, it's a bit muddled. (Oftentimes you can end up with situations where the angels and demons ''are'' squid. Those go here too.) Can result in TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil--angels, demons, and {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, respectively. If the angels are rarely seen expect EvilVersusOblivion (devils and squid, respectively). If GodAndSatanAreBothJerks and the squid match the usual reputation, you've got yourself a thoroughly CrapsackWorld. If the setting doesn't limit itself to just the Abrahamic and Lovecraftian pantheons, then you've got a full-fledged FantasyKitchenSink on your hands. The Lovecraftian monstrosities may not actually be squidlike; that's just a stereotype.
stereotype. Of course it could follow the classic type of alignment, with the angels being good, the devils being evil, and the squid running on BlueAndOrangeMorality.
2nd Jul '16 5:01:57 PM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', the Alicorns and Draconequi are the 'angels' side (as despite representing Order and Chaos respectively, they're both actively benevolent, with even Havoc, who rules Tartarus, being more of its prison warden than the devil), while Discord and Morning Star are the 'demons' side (with [[[FallenAngel Fallen Alicorns and Draconequi]] being called Devils and Demons respectively). The Pain Monsters sealed deep within Tartarus also fit, being very demon-like. The 'Squids' are the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], a third family of gods born from their [[TopGod Elder]], Azerhorse. They're so completely alien that they're not only different from the Alicorns and Draconequi in every sense, but can't even relate to ''each other''. They collectively represent the Fear of the Unknown and exist to keep mortals from being too reckless in their progress. There's also a ''fourth'' variety of deity who are a part of none of the above families, which includes Mother Deer ([[spoiler:actually the Tree of Harmony, which is born of both order AND chaos]]), Queen Tiamat, and King Bahamut.

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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', the Alicorns and Draconequi are the 'angels' side (as despite representing Order and Chaos respectively, they're both actively benevolent, with even Havoc, who rules Tartarus, being more of its prison warden than the devil), while Discord and Morning Star are the 'demons' side (with [[[FallenAngel [[FallenAngel Fallen Alicorns and Draconequi]] being called Devils and Demons respectively). The Pain Monsters sealed deep within Tartarus also fit, being very demon-like. The 'Squids' are the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], a third family of gods born from their [[TopGod Elder]], Azerhorse. They're so completely alien that they're not only different from the Alicorns and Draconequi in every sense, but can't even relate to ''each other''. They collectively represent the Fear of the Unknown and exist to keep mortals from being too reckless in their progress. There's also a ''fourth'' variety of deity who are a part of none of the above families, which includes Mother Deer ([[spoiler:actually the Tree of Harmony, which is born of both order AND chaos]]), Queen Tiamat, and King Bahamut.
2nd Jul '16 4:54:01 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' turns this trope on its head a bit. The heavenly host and the armies of hell play the squids, working in tandem but not together to bring about the apocalypse, with a lot of talk about an "ineffable" plan that none of the humans and not even the angels or demons can understand. A third faction consisting of a single angel, a single demon, and a few humans (including a witch, a witch hunter, and the AntiChrist) is trying to prevent the apocalypse. This third faction alternates between playing the role of the demons and the angels, thanks to having nominal members of the other two factions, and various humans trying to uphold or subvert the order around them.

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* ''Literature/GoodOmens'' turns this trope on its head a bit. The heavenly host and the armies of hell play the squids, working in tandem but not together to bring about the apocalypse, with a lot of talk about an "ineffable" plan that none of the humans and not even the angels or demons can understand. A third faction consisting of a single angel, a single demon, and a few humans (including a witch, a witch hunter, and the AntiChrist) is trying to prevent the apocalypse. This third faction alternates between playing the role of the demons and the angels, thanks to having nominal members of the other two factions, and various humans trying to uphold or subvert the order around them. Ultimately subverted when the rebel angel and demon realize after it's all over that there's only one player, Big G himself, and the whole thing went JustAsPlanned.
2nd Jul '16 4:50:08 PM ImpudentInfidel
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** The very first Discworld novel ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' speaks of Bel-Shamharoth, a very squidy Lovecraftian horror described as "the opposite side of a coin where good and evil are the same side."

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** The very first Discworld novel ''Discworld/TheColourOfMagic'' speaks of Bel-Shamharoth, a very squidy Lovecraftian horror described as "the opposite side of a coin where good and evil are the same side."" Things like it were apparently fairly common in an earlier age when there was more magic around.
1st Jun '16 7:57:01 AM Snarf
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* The conflict between the Vorlons and Shadows in ''Series/Babylon5'' plays out like this. The Vorlons actually portray themselves as angels (or the nonhuman equivalent) to the younger races and insist on order ''at any cost''. The Shadows are explicitly agents of chaos, seeing conflict and destruction as [[ForYourOwnGood the only way for the younger races to properly evolve]]. The squid [[spoiler: nd specifically the Chief Squid, Lorien, turn out to be the ones to end the conflict and get the Vorlons and Shadows off the younger races' backs]].

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* The conflict between the Vorlons and Shadows in ''Series/Babylon5'' plays out like this. The Vorlons actually portray themselves as angels (or the nonhuman equivalent) to the younger races and insist on order ''at ''[[WellIntentionedExtremist at any cost''.cost]]''. The Shadows are explicitly agents of chaos, seeing conflict and destruction as [[ForYourOwnGood the only way for the younger races to properly evolve]]. The squid [[spoiler: nd and specifically the Chief Squid, Lorien, turn out to be the ones to end the conflict and get the Vorlons and Shadows off the younger races' backs]].
1st Jun '16 7:55:16 AM Snarf
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* The conflict between the Vorlons and Shadows in ''Series/Babylon5'' plays out like this. The Vorlons actually portray themselves as angels (or the nonhuman equivalent) to the younger races and insist on order ''at any cost''. The Shadows are explicitly agents of chaos, seeing conflict and destruction as [[ForYourOwnGood the only way for the younger races to properly evolve]]. The squid [[spoiler: nd specifically the Chief Squid, Lorien, turn out to be the ones to end the conflict and get the Vorlons and Shadows off the younger races' backs]].
13th May '16 7:32:54 PM Woggs123
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* VideoGame/FallenLondon has devils walking the street and squid-faced citizens known as the Rubbery Men, although oddly there don't appear to be any angels. The Church does have a large presence in the city though.[[Spoiler: The Rubbery Men are just regular aliens. The actual Squid role is played by [[LightIsNotGood the stars themselves.]]]]

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* VideoGame/FallenLondon has devils walking the street and squid-faced citizens known as the Rubbery Men, although oddly there don't appear to be any angels. The Church does have a large presence in the city though.[[Spoiler: [[spoiler: The Rubbery Men are just regular aliens. The actual Squid role is played by [[LightIsNotGood the stars themselves.]]]]
13th May '16 7:32:24 PM Woggs123
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* VideoGame/FallenLondon has devils walking the street and squid-faced citizens known as the Rubbery Men, although oddly there don't appear to be any angels. The Church does have a large presence in the city though.

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* VideoGame/FallenLondon has devils walking the street and squid-faced citizens known as the Rubbery Men, although oddly there don't appear to be any angels. The Church does have a large presence in the city though.[[Spoiler: The Rubbery Men are just regular aliens. The actual Squid role is played by [[LightIsNotGood the stars themselves.]]]]
7th May '16 4:06:57 PM nombretomado
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* ''GoodOmens'' turns this trope on its head a bit. The heavenly host and the armies of hell play the squids, working in tandem but not together to bring about the apocalypse, with a lot of talk about an "ineffable" plan that none of the humans and not even the angels or demons can understand. A third faction consisting of a single angel, a single demon, and a few humans (including a witch, a witch hunter, and the AntiChrist) is trying to prevent the apocalypse. This third faction alternates between playing the role of the demons and the angels, thanks to having nominal members of the other two factions, and various humans trying to uphold or subvert the order around them.

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* ''GoodOmens'' ''Literature/GoodOmens'' turns this trope on its head a bit. The heavenly host and the armies of hell play the squids, working in tandem but not together to bring about the apocalypse, with a lot of talk about an "ineffable" plan that none of the humans and not even the angels or demons can understand. A third faction consisting of a single angel, a single demon, and a few humans (including a witch, a witch hunter, and the AntiChrist) is trying to prevent the apocalypse. This third faction alternates between playing the role of the demons and the angels, thanks to having nominal members of the other two factions, and various humans trying to uphold or subvert the order around them.
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