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26th Nov '17 12:19:35 PM Observance
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* In ''Literature/PerdidoStreetStation'', some of the characters [[spoiler:try making a pact with some [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions of Hell]] to help them fight an escaped abomination. It's a major OhCrap moment when they realize not even the devil wants to go near it, and they have to go find ''another abomination'']]. ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'', by the same author, also invokes this. Albeit with [[OurAngelsAreDifferent a different kind of angel]].

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* In ''Literature/PerdidoStreetStation'', some of the characters [[spoiler:try making a pact with some [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions of Hell]] to help them fight an escaped abomination. It's a major OhCrap moment when they realize not even the devil wants to go near it, and they have to go find ''another abomination'']]. ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'',
*''Literature/{{Kraken}}'',
by the same author, also invokes this. Albeit with Although in this case [[OurAngelsAreDifferent the angel is literally a different kind squid]]. The occult world revolves around various cults, which believe in and so create their own angels and devils, and one of angel]].them happens to worship krakens as their gods. (Giant squids are their miniscule offspring.)
17th Nov '17 10:27:40 PM jormis29
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* ''VideoGame/{{Dominions}}'' has a variety of celestial and infernal beings (given the variety of myths used, angels and demons might be a tad simplistic)... and the Starfallen R'lyeh, home to the madness-inducing illithid and their ilk. In general, "angels" (which can include things like Hindu divinities and Zoroastrian azatas) are summoned using astral magic, "demons" (including Japanese oni and the nastier sorts of Aztec divinities) are brought into the world with BloodMagic, and "squid" (almost entirely Lovecraftian, DungeonsAndDragons derived, or unique to Dominions) require [[YinYangBomb a mixture of blood and astral magics]].

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* ''VideoGame/{{Dominions}}'' has a variety of celestial and infernal beings (given the variety of myths used, angels and demons might be a tad simplistic)... and the Starfallen R'lyeh, home to the madness-inducing illithid and their ilk. In general, "angels" (which can include things like Hindu divinities and Zoroastrian azatas) are summoned using astral magic, "demons" (including Japanese oni and the nastier sorts of Aztec divinities) are brought into the world with BloodMagic, and "squid" (almost entirely Lovecraftian, DungeonsAndDragons ''TabletopGame/DungeonsAndDragons'' derived, or unique to Dominions) require [[YinYangBomb a mixture of blood and astral magics]].
12th Nov '17 7:50:44 PM neraz
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*** Weirdly, the God Machine that created the clear Angels and Demons is a Squid (well, Techno-Squid) to the rest of the world of darkness, being an esoteric mechanical eldritch horror in contrast to the more traditional World of Darkness fantasy creatures.
6th Nov '17 7:41:22 AM xcountryguy
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* This features notably in ''Anime/DigimonTamers''' finale, mixing with TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil. [[spoiler: The three most powerful entities during the climax are Dukemon: Crimson Mode, Beelzebumon: Blast Mode, and the D-Reaper]].

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* This features notably in ''Anime/DigimonTamers''' finale, mixing with TheGoodTheBadAndTheEvil. [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The three most powerful entities during the climax are Dukemon: Crimson Mode, Beelzebumon: Blast Mode, and the D-Reaper]].



* In ''Literature/PerdidoStreetStation'', some of the characters [[spoiler: try making a pact with some [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions of Hell]] to help them fight an escaped abomination. It's a major OhCrap moment when they realize not even the devil wants to go near it, and they have to go find ''another abomination'']]. ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'', by the same author, also invokes this. Albeit with [[OurAngelsAreDifferent a different kind of angel]].

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* In ''Literature/PerdidoStreetStation'', some of the characters [[spoiler: try [[spoiler:try making a pact with some [[TheLegionsOfHell Legions of Hell]] to help them fight an escaped abomination. It's a major OhCrap moment when they realize not even the devil wants to go near it, and they have to go find ''another abomination'']]. ''Literature/{{Kraken}}'', by the same author, also invokes this. Albeit with [[OurAngelsAreDifferent a different kind of angel]].



* The conflict between the Vorlons and Shadows in ''Series/Babylon5'' plays out like this. The Vorlons actually portray themselves as angels (or the nonhuman equivalent) to the younger races and insist on order ''[[WellIntentionedExtremist at any cost]]''. The Shadows are explicitly agents of chaos, seeing conflict and destruction as [[ForYourOwnGood the only way for the younger races to properly evolve]]. The squid [[spoiler: and specifically the Chief Squid, Lorien, turn out to be the ones to end the conflict and get the Vorlons and Shadows off the younger races' backs]].

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* The conflict between the Vorlons and Shadows in ''Series/Babylon5'' plays out like this. The Vorlons actually portray themselves as angels (or the nonhuman equivalent) to the younger races and insist on order ''[[WellIntentionedExtremist at any cost]]''. The Shadows are explicitly agents of chaos, seeing conflict and destruction as [[ForYourOwnGood the only way for the younger races to properly evolve]]. The squid [[spoiler: and [[spoiler:and specifically the Chief Squid, Lorien, turn out to be the ones to end the conflict and get the Vorlons and Shadows off the younger races' backs]].



* In ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'', the player character, Pit, is the Angel, the Devils are [[spoiler:[[CardCarryingVillain Hades]] and [[KnightTemplar Viridi]]]], and the Squid are [[spoiler: [[StarfishAliens the Aurum]]]].

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* In ''VideoGame/KidIcarusUprising'', the player character, Pit, is the Angel, the Devils are [[spoiler:[[CardCarryingVillain Hades]] and [[KnightTemplar Viridi]]]], and the Squid are [[spoiler: [[StarfishAliens [[spoiler:[[StarfishAliens the Aurum]]]].



* VideoGame/FallenLondon has devils walking the street and squid-faced citizens known as the Rubbery Men, although oddly there don't appear to be any angels. The Church does have a large presence in the city though.[[spoiler: The Rubbery Men are just regular aliens. The actual Squid role is played by [[LightIsNotGood the stars themselves.]]]]

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* VideoGame/FallenLondon has devils walking the street and squid-faced citizens known as the Rubbery Men, although oddly there don't appear to be any angels. The Church does have a large presence in the city though.[[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The Rubbery Men are just regular aliens. The actual Squid role is played by [[LightIsNotGood the stars themselves.]]]]
31st Oct '17 8:45:18 AM Dark_Lord_
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* Creator/JRRTolkien's '[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings verse]] has angels (the Valar) and devils (Morgoth and Sauron), the latter of whom are classic 'fallen angels' in their origins having started out as members of the angelic order. Dotted through Tolkien's creation, though, are weird primordial creatures like Ungoliant, a colossal dark spider-entity of pure blight and destruction, or the unnamed beings at earth's roots. The latter are more likely to be spiders than squid, due to the author's arachnophobia, but at least one squid (the Watcher in the Water) is confirmed.[[note]]Technically--except in the live-action movie, the Watcher never appears in full, and may well not be a singular entity, but its tentacles ''definitely'' evoke a cephalopod.[[/note]]

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* Creator/JRRTolkien's '[[Literature/TheLordOfTheRings verse]] has angels (the Valar) and devils (Morgoth and Sauron), the latter of whom are classic 'fallen angels' in their origins having started out as members of the angelic order. Dotted through Tolkien's creation, though, are weird primordial creatures like Ungoliant, a colossal dark spider-entity of pure blight and destruction, or the unnamed beings Nameless Things at earth's roots. The latter are more likely to be spiders than squid, due to roots mentioned by Gandalf during the author's arachnophobia, but at trip through Moria. At least one actual squid (the Watcher in the Water) is confirmed.[[note]]Technically--except in the live-action movie, the Watcher never appears in full, and may well not be a singular entity, but its tentacles ''definitely'' evoke a cephalopod.[[/note]]
29th Oct '17 7:39:36 PM KillerClowns
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* ''VideoGame/{{Dominions}}'' has a variety of celestial and infernal beings (given the variety of myths used, angels and demons might be a tad simplistic)... and the Starfallen R'lyeh, home to the madness-inducing illithid and their ilk.

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* ''VideoGame/{{Dominions}}'' has a variety of celestial and infernal beings (given the variety of myths used, angels and demons might be a tad simplistic)... and the Starfallen R'lyeh, home to the madness-inducing illithid and their ilk. In general, "angels" (which can include things like Hindu divinities and Zoroastrian azatas) are summoned using astral magic, "demons" (including Japanese oni and the nastier sorts of Aztec divinities) are brought into the world with BloodMagic, and "squid" (almost entirely Lovecraftian, DungeonsAndDragons derived, or unique to Dominions) require [[YinYangBomb a mixture of blood and astral magics]].
29th Sep '17 5:28:12 PM shiro_okami
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* Myth/NorseMythology (as it is recorded, anyways) has three sets of deities: the Aesir, the Vanir and the Jotunn. The three factions have been at war, though the Aesir and Vanir made peace. The former two were the worshiped gods and so considered benevolent, while the later were primordial forces of nature and evil in some cases.

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* Myth/NorseMythology (as it is recorded, anyways) has three two sets of deities: deities, the Aesir, the Vanir Aesir and Vanir, and the monstrous Jotunn. The three factions have been at war, though the Aesir and Vanir made peace. The former two were the worshiped gods and so considered benevolent, while the later were primordial forces of nature and evil in some cases.
23rd Sep '17 3:11:09 PM Carliro
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* Myth/NorseMythology (as it is recorded, anyways) has three sets of deities: the Aesir, the Vanir and the Jotunn. The three factions have been at war, though the Aesir and Vanir made peace. The former two were the worshiped gods and so considered benevolent, while the later were primordial forces of nature and evil in some cases.
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20th Aug '17 2:16:26 AM CountDorku
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* ''TabletopGame/SentinelsOfTheMultiverse'' has a mystic landscape where these factor in. Angels seem to exist: the hero Fanatic is a white-winged woman who deals lots of radiant damage and is devoutly religious, and her arch-enemy Apostate appears to be a fallen angel. Demons exist: Gloomweaver is a human sorcerer who became one. As for the Squid, there's the Void, also known as [[Franchise/CthulhuMythos R'lyeh]], the power source for the hero Nightmist and the minor villain Ruin.
9th Aug '17 12:18:59 PM BeerBaron
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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' have a loose version in their universe's mythology. Aedra and the more friendly Daedra, such as Azura, roughly equate to the angels while the more hostile Daedra, such as Mehrunes Dagon, equate to the devils. The squid are the more alien of the Daedra, such as Hermaeus Mora, and the primal force of chaos and void lurking outside existence known as Sithis.

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* ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls'' have a loose version in their universe's mythology. Aedra and ''Franchise/TheElderScrolls''
** This is loosely
the more friendly Daedra, such as Azura, roughly equate to case with the angels while series' primary deities, [[OurGodsAreDifferent the more hostile Daedra, such as Mehrunes Dagon, equate to the devils. The squid are the more alien of Aedra, the Daedra, such and Sithis]], respectively. The Aedra are the et'Ada ("original spirits") who participated in the creation of Mundus, the mortal plane, and thus sacrificed much of their divine power and very beings to create it. They are the primary deities worshiped by the religion of the [[SaintlyChurch Eight (later Nine) Divines]]. The Daedra are the et'Ada who did not participate, and thus maintain their CompleteImmortality. While technically beings AboveGoodAndEvil who operate on their own scale of BlueAndOrangeMorality defined by the [[AnthropomorphicPersonification spheres over which they govern]], they are generally considered evil, or at least malevolent toward mortals, by most denizens of Mundus. Finally, Sithis is the "[[PowerOfTheVoid great void]]" embodiment of the primordial force of chaos, and is easily the "squid" of the group.
** Within the ranks of the Daedric Princes, this trope is also in play. Some of the more benevolent Princes (such
as Azura or Meridia) fit the "angels" part, though GoodIsNotNice can be very much in effect for them. Some of the more malevolent Princes (such as Molag Bal and Mehrunes Dagon) fit the "devils" part, with them trying to [[TheCorrupter corrupt]] or [[OmnicidalManiac destroy]] mortal life. Hermaeus Mora, Mora is the "squid", not even bothering with [[AFormYouAreComfortableWith a humanoid form]] like the others, preferring to take shape as an infinite mass of tentacles and the primal force of chaos and void lurking outside existence known as Sithis.eyes.
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