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11th Jul '17 1:21:30 PM SolidTwilight9398
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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', the Alicorns and Draconequi are the 'angels' side (as despite representing Order and Chaos respectively, they're both actively benevolent, with even Havoc, who rules [[Hell Tartarus]], being more of its prison warden than the devil), while Discord and Morning Star are the 'demons' side (with [[FallenAngel Fallen Alicorns and Draconequi]] being called Devils and Demons respectively). The Pain Monsters sealed deep within Tartarus also fit, being very demon-like. The 'Squids' are the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], a third family of gods born from their [[TopGod Elder]], Azerhorse. They're so completely alien that they're not only different from the Alicorns and Draconequi in every sense, but can't even relate to ''each other''. They collectively represent the Fear of the Unknown and exist to keep mortals from being too reckless in their progress. There's also a ''fourth'' variety of deity who are a part of none of the above families, which includes Mother Deer ([[spoiler:actually the Tree of Harmony, which is born of both order AND chaos]]), Queen Tiamat, and King Bahamut.

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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', the Alicorns and Draconequi are the 'angels' side (as despite representing Order and Chaos respectively, they're both actively benevolent, with even Havoc, who rules [[Hell [[{{Main/Hell}} Tartarus]], being more of its prison warden than the devil), while Discord and Morning Star are the 'demons' side (with [[FallenAngel Fallen Alicorns and Draconequi]] being called Devils and Demons respectively). The Pain Monsters sealed deep within Tartarus also fit, being very demon-like. The 'Squids' are the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], a third family of gods born from their [[TopGod Elder]], Azerhorse. They're so completely alien that they're not only different from the Alicorns and Draconequi in every sense, but can't even relate to ''each other''. They collectively represent the Fear of the Unknown and exist to keep mortals from being too reckless in their progress. There's also a ''fourth'' variety of deity who are a part of none of the above families, which includes Mother Deer ([[spoiler:actually the Tree of Harmony, which is born of both order AND chaos]]), Queen Tiamat, and King Bahamut.
11th Jul '17 1:21:07 PM SolidTwilight9398
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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', the Alicorns and Draconequi are the 'angels' side (as despite representing Order and Chaos respectively, they're both actively benevolent, with even Havoc, who rules Tartarus, being more of its prison warden than the devil), while Discord and Morning Star are the 'demons' side (with [[FallenAngel Fallen Alicorns and Draconequi]] being called Devils and Demons respectively). The Pain Monsters sealed deep within Tartarus also fit, being very demon-like. The 'Squids' are the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], a third family of gods born from their [[TopGod Elder]], Azerhorse. They're so completely alien that they're not only different from the Alicorns and Draconequi in every sense, but can't even relate to ''each other''. They collectively represent the Fear of the Unknown and exist to keep mortals from being too reckless in their progress. There's also a ''fourth'' variety of deity who are a part of none of the above families, which includes Mother Deer ([[spoiler:actually the Tree of Harmony, which is born of both order AND chaos]]), Queen Tiamat, and King Bahamut.

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* In the ''Fanfic/PonyPOVSeries'', the Alicorns and Draconequi are the 'angels' side (as despite representing Order and Chaos respectively, they're both actively benevolent, with even Havoc, who rules Tartarus, [[Hell Tartarus]], being more of its prison warden than the devil), while Discord and Morning Star are the 'demons' side (with [[FallenAngel Fallen Alicorns and Draconequi]] being called Devils and Demons respectively). The Pain Monsters sealed deep within Tartarus also fit, being very demon-like. The 'Squids' are the [[EldritchAbomination Outer Concepts]], a third family of gods born from their [[TopGod Elder]], Azerhorse. They're so completely alien that they're not only different from the Alicorns and Draconequi in every sense, but can't even relate to ''each other''. They collectively represent the Fear of the Unknown and exist to keep mortals from being too reckless in their progress. There's also a ''fourth'' variety of deity who are a part of none of the above families, which includes Mother Deer ([[spoiler:actually the Tree of Harmony, which is born of both order AND chaos]]), Queen Tiamat, and King Bahamut.
11th Jul '17 11:42:13 AM Bleazy02
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From a story perspective, it makes sense. You see it a lot in stories where GodAndSatanAreBothJerks. The angels serve as foils for the hero, allowing him to show off his rule-breaking attitude. The devils prove the hero's toughness and cleverness by [[TheWorfEffect giving him someone to beat]]. And the outsiders serve as the villains of the story. Also may be a consequence of an AllMythsAreTrue system, with angels, devils, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, TheFairFolk and Literature/{{the three Billy Goats Gruff}} all fighting with or over the protagonists.

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From a story perspective, it makes sense. You see it a lot in stories where GodAndSatanAreBothJerks. The angels serve as foils for the hero, allowing him to show off his rule-breaking attitude. The devils prove the hero's toughness and cleverness by [[TheWorfEffect giving him someone to beat]]. And the outsiders serve as the villains of the story. Also may be a consequence of an AllMythsAreTrue system, with angels, devils, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, TheFairFolk and Literature/{{the three Billy Goats Gruff}} all fighting with or over the protagonists.
protagonists. Alternatively, you may have a situation of the {{Eldritch Abomination}}s and either of the other two being on the ''[[OurAngelsAreDifferent same]] [[OurDemonsAreDifferent side]]'', vying against the third and whatever's left of humanity in the wake of the subsequent Armageddon.
19th May '17 8:39:34 PM karstovich2
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** Middle-Earth also, intriguingly, contains something of an inverse 'squid' in the shape of the being known to hobbits as Tom Bombadil: an ancient elemental force with no specific aims or objectives that simply loves existence, he seems not to be an angelic figure and takes no part in the battles between conventional good and evil, in the sure knowledge that before and after all of it he will be there still doing what he does. His only intervention is against Old Man Willow, another primordial entity that loosely fits under the 'squid' category, making Bombadil seem more akin to a 'good' counterbalance to mindless oblivion than anything.

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** Middle-Earth also, intriguingly, contains something of an inverse 'squid' in the shape of the being known to hobbits as Tom Bombadil: an ancient elemental force with no specific aims or objectives that simply loves existence, he seems not to be an angelic figure and takes no part in the battles between conventional good and evil, in the sure knowledge that before and after all of it he will be there still doing what he does. His only intervention is against Old Man Willow, another primordial entity that loosely fits under the 'squid' category, making Bombadil seem more akin to a 'good' counterbalance to mindless oblivion than anything. Nobody knows what exactly he is; some early readers thought he was an incarnation of Eru Ilúvatar (i.e. {{God}}), but Tolkien {{Jossed}} that theory. However, he gave no alternative category for Tom, so readers started to guess that he was a Maia (lower-order deity) who "went natively
10th May '17 3:06:03 AM Yozzy
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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' actually ''does'' feature angels, devils, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, TheFairFolk, and the three Billy Goats Gruff.[[note]]They're Titania's personal assassins, since you asked.[[/note]] This means they have to take time to specify the difference between ordinary demons and {{Fallen Angel}}s, and why demon-summoning is allowed under the Laws of Magic but summoning Outsiders is most certainly ''not''.
** Demon-summoning (as in calling up demons for information) is technically allowed, as is bargaining to get, for example, a squad of mercenary pixies for the day in exchange for a dozen pizzas. Enthralling (as in crushing free will) is one of the few laws that protects nonhuman entities, mostly because people who enslave demons do not make them volunteer at the soup kitchen. But even trying to ''learn'' about the things beyond the Outer Gates is an instant death penalty, because while it's theoretically possible to employ demons for benign means (as Harry had done a couple times), no good can ''ever'' come of tangling with Outsiders.

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* ''Literature/TheDresdenFiles'' actually ''does'' feature angels, devils, {{Eldritch Abomination}}s, Abomination}}s called Outsiders, TheFairFolk, and the three Billy Goats Gruff.[[note]]They're Titania's personal assassins, part of the Fairy Summer Court, since you asked.[[/note]] This means they have to take [[Creator/JimButcher The author]] took the time to specify the difference between ordinary demons and {{Fallen Angel}}s, and why demon-summoning is allowed under the Laws of Magic but summoning Outsiders is most certainly ''not''.
** Demon-summoning (as in calling up demons for information) information or services) is technically allowed, as is bargaining to get, for example, a squad of mercenary pixies for the day in exchange for a dozen pizzas. Enthralling (as in crushing free will) is one of the few laws that protects nonhuman entities, mostly because people who enslave demons do not make them volunteer at the soup kitchen.kitchen; and dominating the will of another being is considered a [[EvilIsNotAToy form of black magic]] that makes [[JumpingOffTheSlipperySlope further black magic easier]]. But even trying to ''learn'' about the things beyond the Outer Gates is an instant death penalty, because while it's theoretically possible to employ demons for benign means (as Harry had done a couple times), no good can ''ever'' come of tangling with Outsiders.



* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has the God-Emperor of Man and the Living Saints as the Angels, the Chaos Gods and daemons as the Devils, and the C'Tan and Tyranid HiveMind as the Squid.

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* ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' has ZigZags this trope a bit.
** The [[TheEmpire Imperium of Man]] approaches from
the "angel" side with [[CrystalDragonJesus God-Emperor of Man Man]] and the [[AscendToAHigherPlaneOfExistence Living Saints as Saints]] and the Angels, [[DarkIsNotEvil Legion of the Damned]]. It's an authoritarian, xenophobic, heavily militarized society which is just short of being outright stated to be a bastardized version of what the Emperor's vision. While they can't be accurately described as either [[LightIsNotGood "good"]] or [[GoodIsNotNice "nice"]], the Imperium is humanity's best hope for continued survival.
** [[GodOfEvil
Chaos Gods Gods]] and daemons as [[TheHeartless daemons]] are unambiguously the Devils, and sometimes also the C'Tan Squid.
** The [[OurOrcsAreDifferent Ork]] Gods of [[WarGod Gork
and Tyranid HiveMind as Mork]] are Angels for the [[BloodKnight Greenskins]], but Devils to everybody else.
** The Eldar Pantheon was essentially one of Angels and at least one Devil, but most died when the newest Chaos God was born and attacked them. There were only three survivors: [[GodOfGood Isha]], who was taken as a trophy and eventually captured by a rival Chaos God; [[WarGod Khaine]], who narrowly survived by [[LiterallyShatteredLives breaking into pieces]] and escaping into the material realm; and [[TricksterArchetype Cegorach]], who [[ScrewThisImOuttaHere peaced out]] and fled into another dimension.
** The [[PhysicalGod C'Tan]] with how weird they were, could reasonably serve as Squid until the Necrons, their followers, [[RageAgainstTheHeavens killed or shattered them and sealed away the shards]]. The newly arrived [[BugWar Tyranids]] brought their HiveMind, savagely intelligent and ruthlessly Darwinian and driven only by unending hunger, serves as a new and different
Squid.
3rd May '17 2:35:34 PM TheNerevarine
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* ''VideoGame/{{Darksiders}}'': Angels and Demons share the same existence with a multitude of other races that are collectively known as Abyssal Creatures, that are older than both races and they come in many shapes and sizes though they are mostly {{animalistic| abomination}}. The Chosen from the first game were beings summoned by [[BigBad the Destroyer]] to serve as his generals in the End War and were initially thought to be demons themselves, but its [[RetCon clarified]] in the second game that they don't belong to either race and came from the Abyss rather than Heaven or Hell.
1st May '17 2:19:50 PM henry42
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* The SCPFoundation sometimes deals with entities that are religious in nature, with Biblical entities including what is assumed to be God himself and a crater that leads to hell. Of course, the site is mostly known for Lovecraftian entities that are barley contained.

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* The SCPFoundation Wiki/SCPFoundation sometimes deals with entities that are religious in nature, with Biblical entities including what is assumed to be God himself and a crater that leads to hell. Of course, the site is mostly known for Lovecraftian entities that are barley barely contained.
11th Feb '17 1:14:38 AM Arachnos
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* Comes up in ''ComicBook/RequiemChevalierVampire''. There are two factions of powerful entities that exist beyond the world of Resurrection and seek control over it: the Masters of the Infinite, which seem to be [[EldritchAbomination rather eldritch]] and thus fill the role of the squid, and the Lords of Limbo, which are the devils. Angels also exist, though they have pretty much no influence on Resurrection whatsoever and the only one ever seen is captured and used as a WMD.
3rd Jan '17 10:22:19 PM Terran117
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* TheSCPFoundation sometimes deals with entities that are religious in nature, with Biblical entities including what is assumed to be God himself and a crater that leads to hell. Of course, the site is mostly known for Lovecraftian entities that are barley contained.

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* TheSCPFoundation The SCPFoundation sometimes deals with entities that are religious in nature, with Biblical entities including what is assumed to be God himself and a crater that leads to hell. Of course, the site is mostly known for Lovecraftian entities that are barley contained.
3rd Jan '17 10:22:03 PM Terran117
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* TheSCPFoundation sometimes deals with entities that are religious in nature, with Biblical entities including what is assumed to be God himself and a crater that leads to hell. Of course, the site is mostly known for Lovecraftian entities that are barley contained.
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