History Main / AnachronicOrder

1st Oct '17 10:36:30 PM Theriocephalus
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The simplest form of this - [[SimultaneousArcs covering the same time frame from different perspectives]] - is equivalent to a RashomonStyle plot. One way of doing this is to have a "present" storyline going on as the "past" occasionally pops up and mixes things around as a variation of HowWeGotHere, or a character spends time using a WholeEpisodeFlashback as a FramingDevice. While they are related, there is still a dividing line as one of those storylines has still to be jumbled chronologically.

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The simplest form of this - -- [[SimultaneousArcs covering the same time frame from different perspectives]] - -- is equivalent to a RashomonStyle plot. One way of doing this is to have a "present" storyline going on as the "past" occasionally pops up and mixes things around as a variation of HowWeGotHere, or a character spends time using a WholeEpisodeFlashback as a FramingDevice. While they are related, there is still a dividing line as one of those storylines has still to be jumbled chronologically.



** In addition, individual stories are often anachronic - for instance, "The Rocket Men" has an interesting device where it starts at a single event, and then cuts between the events leading up to that event and the events resulting from that event, while telling a thematically coherent story with {{Cliffhanger}}s in all the right places. It begins with Ian, Barbara and Vicki being held hostage on a cruise spaceship by a bunch of {{Jetpack}}-equipped SpacePirates. The storytelling then flips back and forth between Ian recounting the events leading up to that event, and the events resulting from it.

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** In addition, individual stories are often anachronic - -- for instance, "The Rocket Men" has an interesting device where it starts at a single event, and then cuts between the events leading up to that event and the events resulting from that event, while telling a thematically coherent story with {{Cliffhanger}}s in all the right places. It begins with Ian, Barbara and Vicki being held hostage on a cruise spaceship by a bunch of {{Jetpack}}-equipped SpacePirates. The storytelling then flips back and forth between Ian recounting the events leading up to that event, and the events resulting from it.



* The Ultimate Thor miniseries was essentially three stories in one: Thor in Ancient Times, Baron Zemo - [[spoiler: who is actually Loki in disguise]] -'s plots involving Frost Giants in the middle of World War II, and Thor shortly before joining The Ultimates. The mini jumped between all three of these very sporadically.

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* The Ultimate Thor miniseries was essentially three stories in one: Thor in Ancient Times, Baron Zemo - -- [[spoiler: who is actually Loki in disguise]] -'s plots involving Frost Giants in the middle of World War II, and Thor shortly before joining The Ultimates. The mini jumped between all three of these very sporadically.



* ''Literature/TheTigersWife'' covers three storylines - one taking place in the early twentieth century, one throughout the twentieth century, and one in the present day - and jumps between them at random. In addition, there are detailed backstories given for many minor characters, which often take the story even further back in time, and the present-day storyline is itself told in anachronic order.

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* ''Literature/TheTigersWife'' covers three storylines - -- one taking place in the early twentieth century, one throughout the twentieth century, and one in the present day - -- and jumps between them at random. In addition, there are detailed backstories given for many minor characters, which often take the story even further back in time, and the present-day storyline is itself told in anachronic order.



* The novels in Creator/AlastairReynolds's ''[[Literature/RevelationSpaceSeries Revelation Space]]'' universe mostly do this to some degree--the catch is that, because of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity the way relativity works]], it's actually unavoidable.

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* The novels in Creator/AlastairReynolds's ''[[Literature/RevelationSpaceSeries Revelation Space]]'' universe mostly do this to some degree--the degree -- the catch is that, because of [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relativity_of_simultaneity the way relativity works]], it's actually unavoidable.



* Katherine Kerr's Literature/{{Deverry}} series. The date of each section in order, is, 1045, 1052, 643, 1058, 698, 1062, 773, 1063, 790-797, 1063, 833-845, 1063, 1096, 718-915, 918, 980, 1096, 843, 1098, 1112, 1116, 1063, 1116 - and that's just the first half of the series.

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* Katherine Kerr's Literature/{{Deverry}} series. The date of each section in order, is, 1045, 1052, 643, 1058, 698, 1062, 773, 1063, 790-797, 1063, 833-845, 1063, 1096, 718-915, 918, 980, 1096, 843, 1098, 1112, 1116, 1063, 1116 - -- and that's just the first half of the series.



* Common in the later entries of the Literature/{{Mithgar}} series - the first chapter will feature the heroes in the middle of a quest, then a lot of chapters jumping back and forth between what they're doing "now", how they met, what they were like as children, and relevant world events throughout the whole era, before finally settling in a time period and continuing forward towards the climax. Each chapter comes with a time-and-place heading to help you keep track of how it all fits together.

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* Common in the later entries of the Literature/{{Mithgar}} series - -- the first chapter will feature the heroes in the middle of a quest, then a lot of chapters jumping back and forth between what they're doing "now", how they met, what they were like as children, and relevant world events throughout the whole era, before finally settling in a time period and continuing forward towards the climax. Each chapter comes with a time-and-place heading to help you keep track of how it all fits together.



** The Doctor's encounters with the Daleks during the black-and-white era are out-of-order - the Doctor's first meeting with them ([[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E2TheDaleks "The Daleks"]]) is supposed to be his last meeting with them chronologically (although this began as a HandWave to explain how he can meet them again before they were all wiped out). Other meetings are more ambiguous in order but can be {{Fan Wank}}ed enjoyably - for instance, the dead Dalek shell in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E7TheSpaceMuseum "The Space Museum"]] perhaps originated from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E4TheDaleksMasterPlan "The Daleks' Master Plan"]], at the end of which the Doctor made all Daleks on the planet evacuate their shells, leaving them standing.

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** The Doctor's encounters with the Daleks during the black-and-white era are out-of-order - -- the Doctor's first meeting with them ([[Recap/DoctorWhoS1E2TheDaleks "The Daleks"]]) is supposed to be his last meeting with them chronologically (although this began as a HandWave to explain how he can meet them again before they were all wiped out). Other meetings are more ambiguous in order but can be {{Fan Wank}}ed enjoyably - -- for instance, the dead Dalek shell in [[Recap/DoctorWhoS2E7TheSpaceMuseum "The Space Museum"]] perhaps originated from [[Recap/DoctorWhoS3E4TheDaleksMasterPlan "The Daleks' Master Plan"]], at the end of which the Doctor made all Daleks on the planet evacuate their shells, leaving them standing.



** The ExpandedUniverse book ''The Eye of Heaven'' starts with the chronologically earliest event in the book, then skips around in order to obscure details to the reader - in particular, one passenger on the ship is mentioned by Leela and the Doctor both before and after she executes her plan, but not shown to us until the end.

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** The ExpandedUniverse book ''The Eye of Heaven'' starts with the chronologically earliest event in the book, then skips around in order to obscure details to the reader - -- in particular, one passenger on the ship is mentioned by Leela and the Doctor both before and after she executes her plan, but not shown to us until the end.



** The pilot of ''Series/StargateUniverse'' also does this to a highly confusing degree, with no cinematographic or auditory hints - [[ViewersAreGeniuses relying instead on viewers to pick up the context]], which might take a few seconds or more.

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** The pilot of ''Series/StargateUniverse'' also does this to a highly confusing degree, with no cinematographic or auditory hints - -- [[ViewersAreGeniuses relying instead on viewers to pick up the context]], which might take a few seconds or more.



** It's made worse with ''Cataclysm'' as most of Azeroth has been updated in the world changing event, but Outland and Northrend are time-locked to ''The Burning Crusade'' and ''Lich King'' events; so new players start in a world ravaged by Deathwing, and go back in time when visiting Outland or Northrend. And draenei and blood elves, despite the updates to their starting monologues, start at the beginning of the Burning Crusade story - then emigrate to post-Cataclysm Azeroth before returning to the conflicts in Outlands and Northrend later on. [[MindScrew It could be said that players visiting the Exodar and Silvermoon City are also time travelling.]] Better not to think about it too much.
*** Lampshaded in ''Warlords of Draenor''. Outland is now only accessible by traveling into the past.

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** It's made worse with ''Cataclysm'' ''Cataclysm'', as most of Azeroth has been was updated in the world changing world-changing event, but Outland and Northrend are time-locked to ''The Burning Crusade'' and ''Lich King'' events; so new players start in a world ravaged by Deathwing, and go back in time when visiting Outland or Northrend. And draenei and blood elves, despite the updates to their starting monologues, start at the beginning of the Burning Crusade story - -- then emigrate to post-Cataclysm Azeroth before returning to the conflicts in Outlands and Northrend later on. [[MindScrew It could be said that players visiting the Exodar and Silvermoon City are also time travelling.]] travelling]]. Better not to think about it too much.
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much. This lampshaded in ''Warlords of Draenor''. Draenor'' -- Outland is now only accessible by traveling into the past.



*** Though this does actually result in at least one case of something being out of order. In both the Hero and Dark Stories, Knuckles and Rouge's confrontation over the Master Emerald which ends up with Knuckles shattering it to keep it away from Eggman occurs immediately before Stage 2--yet, as mentioned above, Sonic's first meeting with Shadow happens right after Stage 1 of the Hero Story (there's a boss fight in between Stages 1 and 2 which separate these two events), while in the Dark Story the same cutscene occurs after Stage 4. Beyond that, the overlaps all occur in chronological order, though there's definitely some skipping involved--the boss fight right after Dark Stage 9 mirrors the one following Hero Stage 4, but then Dark Stage 10 itself is pretty much happening simultaneously to Hero Stage 9.

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*** Though this does actually result in at least one case of something being out of order. In both the Hero and Dark Stories, Knuckles and Rouge's confrontation over the Master Emerald which ends up with Knuckles shattering it to keep it away from Eggman occurs immediately before Stage 2--yet, 2 -- yet, as mentioned above, Sonic's first meeting with Shadow happens right after Stage 1 of the Hero Story (there's a boss fight in between Stages 1 and 2 which separate these two events), while in the Dark Story the same cutscene occurs after Stage 4. Beyond that, the overlaps all occur in chronological order, though there's definitely some skipping involved--the involved -- the boss fight right after Dark Stage 9 mirrors the one following Hero Stage 4, but then Dark Stage 10 itself is pretty much happening simultaneously to Hero Stage 9.



** The main characters are introduced out of order, going backward in time for each character after Rose, and the perspectives jump around every few pages to progress each character and give the readers information. For example, time was skipped chronologically [[spoiler:to Act 1 when John opens Dave's present and reads the letter, which makes him reconsider following gC's commands.]]

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** The main characters are introduced out of order, going backward in time for each character after Rose, and the perspectives jump around every few pages to progress each character and give the readers information. For example, time was skipped chronologically [[spoiler:to Act 1 when John opens Dave's present and reads the letter, which makes him reconsider following gC's commands.]]commands]].



*** The troll intermission especially - Hussie was frequently skipping over large tracts of time just to speed things along, but just as frequently revisiting things that happened during those time periods - such that we're still experiencing parts of the troll's adventures.

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*** The troll intermission especially - -- Hussie was frequently skipping over large tracts of time just to speed things along, but just as frequently revisiting things that happened during those time periods - -- such that we're still experiencing parts of the troll's adventures.



* Similar to above examples, ''Script/AHDotComTheSeries'' premiered with its cast of LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters with no explanation or backstory for how the eclectic crew had come together aboard the ship. Starting from the end of Season 1, occasional episodes go on to tell the cast's origin stories in flashback - particularly anachronic because sometimes episodes about crewmen who joined chronologically later on are premiered before those about those who joined earlier.

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* Similar to above examples, ''Script/AHDotComTheSeries'' premiered with its cast of LoadsAndLoadsOfCharacters with no explanation or backstory for how the eclectic crew had come together aboard the ship. Starting from the end of Season 1, occasional episodes go on to tell the cast's origin stories in flashback - -- particularly anachronic because sometimes episodes about crewmen who joined chronologically later on are premiered before those about those who joined earlier.



* ''WebVideo/MarbleHornets'' uses this (via ScrapbookStory) to ''terrifying'' effect. The first season is split between the events surrounding the original student film (which are themselves out of order) and the way these events begin to creep into Jay's life in the present. Season two is split between the present and the events of the seven month real-time gap between seasons, [[spoiler: with at least one jump back to the student film.]]

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* ''WebVideo/MarbleHornets'' uses this (via ScrapbookStory) to ''terrifying'' effect. The first season is split between the events surrounding the original student film (which are themselves out of order) and the way these events begin to creep into Jay's life in the present. Season two is split between the present and the events of the seven month real-time gap between seasons, [[spoiler: with at least one jump back to the student film.]]film]].
1st Oct '17 3:58:10 AM RoccondilRinon
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* ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' doesn't do this, but [[Music/TheSilmarillion its operatic adaptation]] does, with the first act of part IV happening chronologically between parts I and II, and the second half of part III overlapping chronologically with the rest of part IV. A handful of individual scenes are also presented out of strict chronological order. The reason for this is that the four parts are really four separate stories.

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* ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' doesn't do this, but [[Music/TheSilmarillion [[Theatre/TheSilmarillion its operatic adaptation]] does, with the first act of part IV happening chronologically between parts I and II, and the second half of part III overlapping chronologically with the rest of part IV. A handful of individual scenes are also presented out of strict chronological order. The reason for this is that the four parts are really four separate stories.
9th Sep '17 8:28:26 AM Malady
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* Chapters 24 and 25 of ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality''.

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* ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality'': Chapters 24-26. Chapters 24 and 25 proceed in numbered acts 3, 2, 1, 5, 6, and 4; act 6 takes place in the middle of ''Fanfic/HarryPotterAndTheMethodsOfRationality''.chapter 26.



* Used in the [[{{Fanfiction}} fanfic]] ''Fanfic/KyonBigDamnHero'', in [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the Anachronic Order Explanation Arc]].

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* Used in the [[{{Fanfiction}} fanfic]] {{fanfic|tion}} ''Fanfic/KyonBigDamnHero'', in [[ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin the Anachronic Order Explanation Arc]].



* This is used throughout ''Fanfic/GhostsOfEvangelion''. The first published episode happens in 2020. The second one happens in September, 2018. The third in October, 2018. The fourth and fith in 2016. And so on.

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* This is used throughout ''Fanfic/GhostsOfEvangelion''. The first published episode happens in 2020. The second one happens in September, 2018. The third in October, 2018. The fourth and fith fifth in 2016. And so on.
8th Sep '17 2:23:05 PM RedScharlach
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* ''Film/DistantVoicesStillLives'' runs it a close second, though; about all you can say is that scenes in the first half of the film chronologically precede scenes in the second half. Otherwise, the film operates in a kind of free-associative manner, slipping backwards and forwards through the years, mimicing the mechanisms of memory.

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* ''Film/DistantVoicesStillLives'' runs it a close second, though; about all you can say is that scenes in the first half of the film chronologically precede scenes in the second half. Otherwise, the film operates in a kind of free-associative manner, slipping backwards and forwards through the years, mimicing mimicking the mechanisms of memory.



** ''Film/TheHatefulEight'' has events that happen before the film's start close to the end of the film. [[spoiler:This scene reveals who's working with Daisy Domergue.]]

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** ''Film/TheHatefulEight'' has events that happen before the film's start shown close to the end of the film. [[spoiler:This scene reveals who's working with Daisy Domergue.]]



* The Creator/AkiraKurosawa classic ''Film/{{IKIRU}}'' (Japanese for "to live") spends it's first half being very straight forward and chronological with the main character learning that he has a terminal illness and trying to find a way to make some kind of meaning out of his life. When he lands on the idea of spear heading a movement to turn a hazardous landfill into a play ground the movie shifts narrative style. [[spoiler:The latter half takes place at his funeral as various people recount stories about the man's last days and how he badgered other departments into working on the idea and cutting through the usual bureaucratic system to get the job done.]]

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* The Creator/AkiraKurosawa classic ''Film/{{IKIRU}}'' (Japanese for "to live") spends it's its first half being very straight forward straightforward and chronological with the main character learning that he has a terminal illness and trying to find a way to make some kind of meaning out of his life. When he lands on the idea of spear heading a movement to turn a hazardous landfill into a play ground the movie shifts narrative style. [[spoiler:The latter half takes place at his funeral as various people recount stories about the man's last days and how he badgered other departments into working on the idea and cutting through the usual bureaucratic system to get the job done.]]



* ''Film/MrNobody'' -- Not only does it jump backwards and forwards at different ages of the main character, but is also jumps sideways to alternate timelines.

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* ''Film/MrNobody'' -- Not only does it jump backwards and forwards at different ages of the main character, but is it also jumps sideways to alternate timelines.



* ''Film/ManOfSteel'' starts out with the destruction of Krypton, then jumps ahead to Clark in his thirties, followed by various flashbacks of his life. Of course, the Superman mythos have become so ingrained in pop culture that audience members will probably understand the flashbacks easily. The flashbacks also help the film's overall pacing since the audience isn't treated to a big info dump at the beginning of the movie.

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* ''Film/ManOfSteel'' starts out with the destruction of Krypton, then jumps ahead to Clark in his thirties, followed by various flashbacks of his life. Of course, the Superman mythos have has become so ingrained in pop culture that audience members will probably understand the flashbacks easily. The flashbacks also help the film's overall pacing since the audience isn't treated to a big info dump at the beginning of the movie.



* A lot of big influential Hispanic writers were fond of using this one, probably ever since Creator/JulioCortazar wrote his book ''[[Literature/{{Hopscotch}} Rayuela]]'', which has effectively two stories in one book: one which is found reading the book from front to back, another reading the book in the order given by the author. Creator/GabrielGarciaMarquez also used the Anachronic Order in quite a bit of his stories.

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* A lot of big influential Hispanic writers were fond of using this one, probably ever since Creator/JulioCortazar wrote his book ''[[Literature/{{Hopscotch}} Rayuela]]'', which has effectively two stories in one book: one which is found reading the book from front to back, another reading the book in the order given by the author. Creator/GabrielGarciaMarquez also used the Anachronic Order in quite a bit few of his stories.



* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'' chronologically starts with ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenIV IV]]'' (IS 302-07 of the in-universe calendar), the first game of the series with ''VideoGame/SuikodenTactics'' occuring during ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', followed by ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' (IS 449), ''[[VideoGame/{{Suikoden}} Suikoden I]]'' (IS 455-57), Suikoden Card Stories (IS 459), ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'' (IS 460) and then ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'' (IS 475).

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* ''VideoGame/{{Suikoden}}'' chronologically starts with ''[[VideoGame/SuikodenIV IV]]'' (IS 302-07 of the in-universe calendar), the first game of the series with ''VideoGame/SuikodenTactics'' occuring occurring during ''VideoGame/SuikodenIV'', followed by ''VideoGame/SuikodenV'' (IS 449), ''[[VideoGame/{{Suikoden}} Suikoden I]]'' (IS 455-57), Suikoden Card Stories (IS 459), ''VideoGame/SuikodenII'' (IS 460) and then ''VideoGame/SuikodenIII'' (IS 475).
8th Sep '17 5:07:09 AM RoccondilRinon
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* ''Literature/TheSilmarillion'' doesn't do this, but [[Music/TheSilmarillion its operatic adaptation]] does, with the first act of part IV happening chronologically between parts I and II, and the second half of part III overlapping chronologically with the rest of part IV. A handful of individual scenes are also presented out of strict chronological order. The reason for this is that the four parts are really four separate stories.
29th Aug '17 8:58:26 PM mela
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* ''Webcomic/WeAreTheWyrecats'' slips between the past and present nearly every chapter.
25th Aug '17 5:26:58 PM Dere
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**** By extension Sonic Advance 3 (2004), which is a sequel of sorts to Sonic Battle, can only take place after Shadow the Hedgehog as well.
6th Aug '17 5:53:53 PM nombretomado
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* The storylines of the ''Film/{{Juon}}'' series, as well as the US remake series, ''TheGrudge'', are told in this fashion.

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* The storylines of the ''Film/{{Juon}}'' series, as well as the US remake series, ''TheGrudge'', ''Film/TheGrudge'', are told in this fashion.
1st Aug '17 2:51:09 AM KiwiMaxim
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* Episodes in ''Anime/PrincessPrincipal'' aren't in chronological order, but instead have case numbers indicating where they fall on the timeline relative to each other. For example, in the first episode, Case 13, the main team is already fully assembled and has their dynamics down pat. Episode 2, Case 1, only has [[TheHero Ange]] and [[TheSmartGuy Dorothy]] on the team, and shows how [[TheLancer the Princess]] joined them, and episode 3, Case 2, shows the immediate aftermath. Then they jump to Case 9...
24th Jul '17 8:44:25 PM ImpudentInfidel
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* Creator/SandyMitchell's ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' novels are presented as edited pieces of his rambles about his history, ordered thematically rather than chronologically. The first three books are in chronological order, the fourth is a prequel, the fifth takes place between books two and three, and the sixth takes place in the ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' universe's "present day" long after the events of the rest. Book seven is between books four and one, eight is between three and six, nine is between eight and six, and the short stories and audio dramas range in time from Cain's first ever act of alleged heroism to a few years before book six, with several of them lacking sufficient information to be possible to reliably date them at all beyond "sometime in a twenty year period starting around the end of book 5". According to the in-universe editor of the books (Inquisitor Amberly Veil), this is because Cain's way of telling the stories was to cram all of it in a spectacularly disorganized datapad with no regard for what order things should go in, and she's publishing them in the order in which she can get the individual stories compiled into a coherent narrative.

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* Creator/SandyMitchell's ''Literature/CiaphasCain'' novels are presented as edited pieces of his rambles about his history, ordered thematically rather than chronologically. The first three books are in chronological order, the fourth is a prequel, the fifth takes place between books two and three, and the sixth takes place in the ''TabletopGame/{{Warhammer 40000}}'' universe's "present day" long after the events of the rest. Book seven is between books four and one, eight is between three and six, nine is between eight and six, and the short stories and audio dramas range in time from Cain's first ever act of alleged heroism to a few years before book six, with several of them lacking sufficient information to be possible to reliably date them at all beyond "sometime in a twenty year period starting around the end of book 5". According to the in-universe editor of the books (Inquisitor Amberly Veil), this is because Cain's way of telling the stories was to cram all of it in a spectacularly disorganized datapad with no regard for what order things should go in, and she's publishing them in the order in which she can get the individual stories compiled into a coherent narrative. That said, each "trilogy" is in internal order following a common thread.
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