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18th Jan '18 5:58:37 PM nombretomado
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*** This tends to be zigzagged depending on location. Super Mutants in the Southwest (Fallout 2 and New Vegas) seem to run the full alignment spectrum pretty regularly, even without someone like Marcus influencing them. This appears to be the result of The Master selecting for highly intelligent individuals to be made into Super Mutants. In [[{{Fallout|3}} the Capital Wastelands]] and [[{{Fallout|4}} the Commonwealth]], Super Mutants appear to have been created much more haphazardly and are thus ''far'' more prone to playing this trope straight.

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*** This tends to be zigzagged depending on location. Super Mutants in the Southwest (Fallout 2 and New Vegas) seem to run the full alignment spectrum pretty regularly, even without someone like Marcus influencing them. This appears to be the result of The Master selecting for highly intelligent individuals to be made into Super Mutants. In [[{{Fallout|3}} [[VideoGame/Fallout3 the Capital Wastelands]] and [[{{Fallout|4}} [[VideoGame/Fallout4 the Commonwealth]], Super Mutants appear to have been created much more haphazardly and are thus ''far'' more prone to playing this trope straight.
17th Jan '18 3:35:06 AM LlamaAdventure
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* PlayedWith regarding Demons in ''Manga/{{Devilman}}''. While some demons like Sirene and Kaim are capable of displaying care for others, the vast majority are bloodthirsty, violent hedonists eager to destroy humanity and take their place as the dominant species, and only through being dominated by a human they attempt to possess and becoming a Devilman are they capable of displaying selflessness and compassion (and even then the Devilman still has to fight against their baser urges.)
5th Jan '18 5:11:16 PM MagBas
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For [[SubvertedTrope subversions]] of this trope, when it turns out that {{mooks}} or an enemy race are not necessarily bad, see NotAlwaysEvil. While this trope can apply to real or fictional nations of humans, it isn't especially prominent so {{Aversions}} of that aren't worth mentioning.

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For [[SubvertedTrope subversions]] of this trope, when it turns out that {{mooks}} or an enemy race are is not necessarily bad, see NotAlwaysEvil. While this trope can apply to real or fictional nations of humans, it isn't especially prominent so {{Aversions}} of that aren't worth mentioning.
NotAlwaysEvil.
5th Jan '18 4:43:16 PM Monsund
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For [[SubvertedTrope subversions]] of this trope, when it turns out that {{mooks}} or an enemy race are not necessarily bad, see NotAlwaysEvil.

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For [[SubvertedTrope subversions]] of this trope, when it turns out that {{mooks}} or an enemy race are not necessarily bad, see NotAlwaysEvil.
NotAlwaysEvil. While this trope can apply to real or fictional nations of humans, it isn't especially prominent so {{Aversions}} of that aren't worth mentioning.
1st Jan '18 1:56:17 PM CG-Druid
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* The German SF series ''Literature/{{Maddrax}}'' has the [[FishPeople hydrites]]. They are actually a peaceful and benign species, morally much more developed than humans. However, when they eat meat, they immediately become [[EvilFeelsGood vicious and aggressive]].
** The [[{{Ratmen}} taratzes]] were initially presented in this way, but you have seen again and again good taratzes. With them, it is more like a case of ''Mostly Chaotic Evil''.
31st Dec '17 9:23:49 PM VanHohenheimOfXerxes
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[[caption-width-right:350:They're all just [[SlasherSmile so happy]] to see you.[[note]]Not in ''[[OrAreYouJustHappyToSeeMe that]]'' way, pull your heads out of the gutter.[[/note]]]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:They're all just [[SlasherSmile so happy]] to see you.[[note]]Not in ''[[OrAreYouJustHappyToSeeMe that]]'' way, pull your heads head out of the gutter.[[/note]]]]
29th Dec '17 2:39:52 PM MagBas
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* [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in ''[[Film/Fury2014 Fury]]''. While Some of the solders clearly believe this is the case for all Germans, Wardaddy tells Norman early on that most of the enemy army are simply doing exactly what they are doing (which doesn't they should go easy on them). Wardaddy does have a special disdain for the SS for understandable reasons. [[spoiler: However, one of the only acts of Mercy (and the only one done outside of Geneva Convention regulations) is done by not only a German but by a member of the SS.]]

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* [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] Subverted in ''[[Film/Fury2014 Fury]]''. While Some of the solders clearly believe this is the case for all Germans, Wardaddy tells Norman early on that most of the enemy army are simply doing exactly what they are doing (which doesn't they should go easy on them). Wardaddy does have a special disdain for the SS for understandable reasons. [[spoiler: However, one of the only acts of Mercy (and the only one done outside of Geneva Convention regulations) is done by not only a German but by a member of the SS.]]
29th Dec '17 2:07:53 PM Caps-luna
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* [[DeconstructedTrope Deconstructed]] in ''[[Film/Fury2014 Fury]]''. While Some of the solders clearly believe this is the case for all Germans, Wardaddy tells Norman early on that most of the enemy army are simply doing exactly what they are doing (which doesn't they should go easy on them). Wardaddy does have a special disdain for the SS for understandable reasons. [[spoiler: However, one of the only acts of Mercy (and the only one done outside of Geneva Convention regulations) is done by not only a German but by a member of the SS.]]
29th Dec '17 12:23:19 PM CaptainCrawdad
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** The olfs are three billions of xenophobic assholes who get even worse when king Bouboulou comes back from the dead, as he removes the reforms such as capital punishment being abolished and break the treaty with the only race they are allied to with glee, as a bloodbath is the best way to celebrate his return.
** The invisibles are a race of EldritchAbomination who made the treaty with said olf. The treaty was simply: The invisibles get to live on the rooftops since they are quiet anyway and in exchange they mutilate every non olfs they spot in the city. They are also shown to be siding with the BigBad despite not needing to breath like the other conscripts (who'll lose their oxygen the moment the villain hear their treachery), implying they are just fine with a demon ruling the world.

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** The olfs are three billions of xenophobic assholes who get even worse when king King Bouboulou comes back from the dead, as he removes the reforms such as capital punishment being abolished and break the treaty with the only race they are allied to with glee, as a bloodbath is the best way to celebrate his return.
** The invisibles are a race of EldritchAbomination who made the treaty with said olf. King Bouboulou. The treaty was simply: The invisibles get to may live on the rooftops since they are quiet anyway and in exchange they mutilate for mutilating every non olfs non-olf they spot in the city. They are also shown to be siding with the BigBad despite not needing to breath like the other conscripts (who'll lose their oxygen the moment the villain hear their treachery), implying they are just fine with a demon ruling the world.



** When asked of Tohru's opinion, it comes between those of Jackie and Uncle he thinks that Jackie has a theory that has some evidence to support it, but he's unsure if it's worth the risks. He proposes that dark entities suffer from a functional disorder that makes them more inclined to darkness than light, making it hard to determine how much of their nature and actions are inherent or a matter of choice. He also suggests that the liberty of choice of said dark entities may be taken away when everyone, including themselves, thinks under the assumption that it doesn't even exist.

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** When asked of Tohru's opinion, it comes between those of Jackie and Uncle he thinks that Jackie has a theory that has some evidence to support it, but he's unsure if it's worth the risks. He proposes that dark entities suffer from a functional disorder that makes them more inclined to darkness than light, making it hard to determine how much of their nature and actions are inherent or a matter of choice. He also suggests that the their liberty of choice of said dark entities may be taken away when everyone, including themselves, thinks under the assumption that it doesn't even exist.



* ''Franchise/StarWars'': The Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) are a very literal example of this; as far as the movies go, they never seemed to be portrayed as anything other than ChaoticEvil. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', they show up very briefly, and it's just to randomly shoot at podracers. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', they kidnap and torture Anakin's mother, killing her when Anakin finally shows up, though Anakin's massacre of them is treated as a KickTheDog moment [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim nonetheless]]. In ''Film/ANewHope'', they are shown to be [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savagely attacking]] random human beings into unconsciousness and [[KickTheDog stealing the vehicles of said unconscious human beings]]. In the ExpandedUniverse there is one Tusken Jedi (actually a human foundling [[RaisedByOrcs raised by them]]) who initially seems to be an exception. Then, after surviving Order 66, he becomes evil anyway when he embraces the Tuskens' ruthless culture. [[ComicBook/StarWarsLegacy Fast forward a few centuries]], and he's a BigBad in his own right. The Tuskens' way of life is RapePillageAndBurn incarnate, so it's understandable that good people don't appear among them.

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The Tusken Raiders (or Sand People) are a very literal example of this; as far as the movies go, they never seemed to be portrayed as anything other than ChaoticEvil. In ''Film/ThePhantomMenace'', they show up very briefly, and it's just to randomly shoot at podracers. In ''Film/AttackOfTheClones'', they kidnap and torture Anakin's mother, killing her when Anakin finally shows up, though Anakin's massacre of them is treated as a KickTheDog moment [[IfYouKillHimYouWillBeJustLikeHim nonetheless]]. In ''Film/ANewHope'', they are shown to be [[NoHoldsBarredBeatdown savagely attacking]] random human beings into unconsciousness and [[KickTheDog stealing the vehicles of said unconscious human beings]].their vehicles]]. In the ExpandedUniverse there is one Tusken Jedi (actually a human foundling [[RaisedByOrcs raised by them]]) who initially seems to be an exception. Then, after surviving Order 66, he becomes evil anyway when he embraces the Tuskens' ruthless culture. [[ComicBook/StarWarsLegacy Fast forward a few centuries]], and he's a BigBad in his own right. The Tuskens' way of life is RapePillageAndBurn incarnate, so it's understandable that good people don't appear among them.



* Played straight in ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'' with the Cavewights (though it is established that they weren't always evil), and subverted with the ur-viles. Despite their name, the latter are less evil than they are alien and inscrutable, and are allied with the BigBad only to advance their own ends. [[spoiler: In the second and third series, they apparently decide that helping the heroes advances said ends better. Unfortunately, as they either can't or won't speak English, we're not entirely sure what those ends ''are''...]]

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* Played straight in ''Literature/TheChroniclesOfThomasCovenant'' with the Cavewights (though it is established that they weren't always evil), and subverted with the ur-viles. Despite their name, the latter are less evil than they are alien and inscrutable, and are allied with the BigBad only to advance their own ends. [[spoiler: In the second and third series, they apparently decide that helping the heroes advances said their ends better. Unfortunately, as they either can't or won't speak English, we're not entirely sure what those ends ''are''...]]



*** Some fluff mentions their reproduction rates being tied into how much dark magic happens to be around. With an increase in dark magic, their populations can suddenly explode and their resources can't support them anymore, so they have to conquer the other races/each other or starve.



*** It's also worth noting in general that the Always Chaotic Evil races in ''Warhammer Fantasy'' (except the Orcs and the Beastmen) aren't ''just'' baby-eating demon-worshippers. Their respective background fluff shows remarkably rich and deep cultures, even in the places you would least expected. Said cultures ''do'' put a significant emphasis on eating babies and worshipping demons, but hey, you can't have everything.



* Werewolves in ''Webcomic/CryHavoc'' are inaccurately portrayed by the church as Always Chaotic Evil, although it is questionable to what degree this is inaccurate given that the werewolves' first actions were to shred and eat a large quantity of people...
* In ''Webcomic/LookingForGroup'', elves are supposedly this, but almost every elf we meet is actually pretty decent or has a FreudianExcuse to justify the alignment. The main character is actively trying to go against his race's reputation, and is ''the'' character most concerned with the morality of the group's actions. The undead may be this, but we only meet one group of them, and they are controlled by the TokenEvilTeammate. Although said evil teammate is also the only one to have claimed elves are evil and is not the most reliable source of information.
* ''Webcomic/SlightlyDamned'': {{Averted|Trope}} with Demons. Both WordOfGod and the story make it clear that while they may lean towards evil, and some are responsible for tormenting evil souls in Hell, it is just as much their own choice as it is innate nature, and that there are exceptions, like Buwaro. The same is applied to the idea of Angels being AlwaysLawfulGood.



* Largely averted in ''Roleplay/{{Adylheim}}'' where none of the playable races are defined by their race. Granted, this is partially a virtue of it being a GreyAndGrayMorality world. Some of the non-playable races, such as trolls, have a tendency to fall into this category though.



* Averted for many traditional "monster races" in ''Literature/TalesOfMU'', especially the subterranean elves (don't call them "Dark Elves", and "Drow" is a serious racial slur, up there with "spider jockey" and "cowl head") who simply have [[http://talesofmu.nfshost.com/story/bonus-stories/bonus-story-meditations a bad reputation due to cultural misunderstandings]]. Played more straight with Demons and Ogres, as well as [[spoiler: [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent mermaids]]]].
* The ktuvoks in [[http://www.zompist.com/virtuver.htm the world of Verduria]]. Their entire society is based on [[{{Brainwashed}} Brainwashing]] humans who are less advanced than they into obedient slaves, and they are so good at it that if humans are freed from their control, [[StockholmSyndrome the humans will ally themselves with the ktuvoks willingly]]. In addition, they attack all free human civilizations, using their slaves as [[{{Mooks}} Cannon Fodder]], laying everything to waste and committing every war crime in the book. They have no culture or learning to speak of, and merely steal the innovations of other races. And the worst part? The ktuvoks are severely restricted to where on the planet they can live; they cannot survive away from swamps. The only apparently reason apart from [[ForTheEvulz the Evulz]] that they take over much of the continent and turn humans into loyal slaves is to ''get female ktuvoks to mate with them.'''

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* Averted for many traditional "monster races" in ''Literature/TalesOfMU'', especially the subterranean elves (don't call them "Dark Elves", and "Drow" is a serious racial slur, up there with "spider jockey" and "cowl head") who simply have [[http://talesofmu.nfshost.com/story/bonus-stories/bonus-story-meditations a bad reputation due to cultural misunderstandings]]. Played more straight with Demons and Ogres, as well as [[spoiler: [[OurMermaidsAreDifferent mermaids]]]].
[[spoiler:mermaids]]. though ''not'' with some other traditional monster races.
* The ktuvoks in [[http://www.zompist.com/virtuver.htm the The world of Verduria]].Verduria]]:
** The ktuvoks.
Their entire society is based on [[{{Brainwashed}} Brainwashing]] humans who are less advanced than they into obedient slaves, and they are so good at it that if humans are freed from their control, [[StockholmSyndrome the humans will ally themselves with the ktuvoks willingly]]. In addition, they attack all free human civilizations, using their slaves as [[{{Mooks}} Cannon Fodder]], laying everything to waste and committing every war crime in the book. They have no culture or learning to speak of, and merely steal the innovations of other races. And the worst part? The ktuvoks are severely restricted to where on the planet they can live; they cannot survive away from swamps. The only apparently reason apart from [[ForTheEvulz the Evulz]] that they take over much of the continent and turn humans into loyal slaves is to ''get female ktuvoks to mate with them.'''
25th Dec '17 3:06:57 PM Fireblood
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* Already a SubvertedTrope in the eleventh century epic ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', written by Persian poet Ferdowsi and drawing from much older myths. Zal, the son of the Shah's Pehliva (king's champion) goes to Kabul, and is well-received by the royal family, despite the fact that they descend from an evil three-headed dragon who ate brains, learnt magic from the Zoroastrian devil equivalent and tried to TakeOverTheWorld. Zal was warned not to sleep in their home or eat their food, and complies, candidly saying why (he was raised by a bird and has NoSocialSkills). Deeply humiliated, king Mehrab... does nothing, and keeps treating him well, even innocently recounting the whole thing and praising him to his daughter Rudabeh behind closed doors. The proud Rudabeh he starts acting like TheVamp, seduces Zal, and they proclaim their desire to marry against the Shah and his father's advice... and nothing bad happens untill the shah and Zal's father march against Mehrab's kingdom. Then, Mehrab finally has enough... and asks his daughter if she would agree to be executed by the Shah, to save their people. At this point, Zal goes to his father and performs a guilt slingling over his abandonment of him as a child, and the girl's mother goes the Shah, convinces him to take a good look at her daughter, and proves him that she isn't a man-eating serpent. Everything ends well.

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* Already a SubvertedTrope in the eleventh century epic ''Literature/TheShahnameh'', written by Persian poet Ferdowsi and drawing from much older myths. Zal, the son of the Shah's Pehliva (king's champion) goes to Kabul, and is well-received by the royal family, despite the fact that they descend from an evil three-headed dragon who ate brains, learnt magic from the Zoroastrian devil equivalent and tried to TakeOverTheWorld. Zal was warned not to sleep in their home or eat their food, and complies, candidly saying why (he was raised by a bird and has NoSocialSkills). Deeply humiliated, king Mehrab... does nothing, and keeps treating him well, even innocently recounting the whole thing and praising him to his daughter Rudabeh behind closed doors. The proud Rudabeh he starts acting like TheVamp, seduces Zal, and they proclaim their desire to marry against the Shah and his father's advice... and nothing bad happens untill the shah and Zal's father march against Mehrab's kingdom. Then, Mehrab finally has enough... and asks his daughter if she would agree to be executed by the Shah, to save their people. At this point, Zal goes to his father and performs a guilt slingling slinging over his abandonment of him as a child, and the girl's mother goes the Shah, convinces him to take a good look at her daughter, and proves him that she isn't a man-eating serpent. Everything ends well.



** Veil in ''[[Literature/{{Redwall}} The Outcast of Redwall]]'' [[spoiler:[[HeelFaceTurn turns good]] at the end of the book. However, he [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dies from it]]]]. Bryony's theory is that he turned bad precisely because it was expected of him; he was always accused of theft when something went missing and generally treated like a bomb about to go off by the rest of the Abbeydwellers, so he started living up to their expectations out of spite.

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** Veil in ''[[Literature/{{Redwall}} The Outcast of Redwall]]'' [[spoiler:[[HeelFaceTurn turns good]] at the end of the book. However, he [[RedemptionEqualsDeath dies from it]]]]. Bryony's theory is that he turned bad precisely because it was expected of him; he was always accused of theft when something went missing and generally treated like a bomb about to go off by the rest of the Abbeydwellers, Abbey dwellers, so he started living up to their expectations out of spite.spite. Oddly, at the end she decides he was evil all along, even after he'd saved her life.



** It doesn't help that Lovecraft treats actual human "races" in a very similar manner (read the descriptions of the cultists in "Literature/TheCallOfCthulhu" for a fine example), besides creating several inbred communities in rural America and the infamous fishmen of Innsmouth, who stand out as an ugly, racist metaphor concerning immigrants. The entire basis of Lovecraft's horror is set firmly upon the idea that anything alien or different is terrifyingly evil and he was apparently rather open about his xenophobia, even going so far as to tell his Jewish wife that he thought mixed marriages were a bad idea. To be fair, Lovecraft also had no trouble in writing about degenerate, barbaric white people, and did it with far greater frequency than writing against black people.

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** It doesn't help that Lovecraft treats actual human "races" in a very similar manner (read the descriptions of the cultists in "Literature/TheCallOfCthulhu" for a fine example), besides creating several inbred communities in rural America and the infamous fishmen of Innsmouth, who stand out as an ugly, racist metaphor concerning immigrants. The entire basis of Lovecraft's horror is set firmly upon the idea that anything alien or different is terrifyingly evil and he was apparently rather open about his xenophobia, even going so far as to tell his Jewish wife that he thought mixed marriages were a bad idea. To be fair, Lovecraft also had no trouble in writing about degenerate, barbaric white people, and did it with far greater frequency than writing against black people. As might be obvious from the above mention, Lovecraft also wasn't antisemitic, which was more than could be said for many racists in his time.
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