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18th Aug '17 11:32:23 AM thatother1dude
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* Since the late 1990s, this has been played up frequently in ''Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}'', as his supporting cast start to notice that they're often the collateral damage that teaches [[WhatTheHellHero Matt Murdock]] a lesson about something or other.

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* Since the late 1990s, this has been played up frequently in ''Comicbook/{{Daredevil}}'', as his supporting cast start to notice that they're often the collateral damage that teaches [[WhatTheHellHero Matt Murdock]] Murdock a lesson about something or other.
18th Aug '17 11:30:26 AM thatother1dude
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* Happens on ''Series/MyNameIsEarl''. Earl develops a gambling addiction. He takes [[TheIllegal Catalina]] to a seedy underground "casino," and lends her his car because she's late for work. She ends up speeding to make up for lost time, gets pulled over, and the cops discover that her driver's license is a fake. She ends up getting deported back to her homeland (at this point, assumed to be Mexico, later called "Guadelatucky.") Earl has to go down there and bring her back to Camden.

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* Happens on ''Series/MyNameIsEarl''. ''Series/MyNameIsEarl'': Earl develops a gambling addiction. He takes [[TheIllegal Catalina]] to a seedy underground "casino," and lends her his car because she's late for work. She ends up speeding to make up for lost time, gets pulled over, and the cops discover that her driver's license is a fake. She ends up getting deported back to her homeland (at this point, assumed to be Mexico, later called "Guadelatucky.") Earl has to go down there and bring her back to Camden.
18th Aug '17 11:29:11 AM thatother1dude
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** There is King David having sex with the wife of one of his generals and [[UriahGambit getting said general killed in battle to get away with his adultery.]] God inflicts an illness on the child coming out of this affair. David repents and God forgives him. The king, that is. To really teach David that justice has to be done, the child however still has to die from the illness. David, and his new (stolen) wife have another son though, the future king Solomon, and seem to live happily ever after [[spoiler:until one of David's own sons goes to war against him]].
** And then there is the general Jephta, who arrogantly pledges to sacrifice the first creature he encounters after an upcoming battle if God helps him to win it. His army is victorious, but the price for his hubris is quite terrible: As he's returning home, [[CruelTwistEnding his daughter runs out to meet him]].
** On the other hand, the story of Job is ''not'' an example, though it might seem so -- it goes one step further, and beyond the trope, in that even the person who is "punished" by having his loved ones die is innocent. Job loses everything, including his family, but though his friends insist he must have done something to deserve it, he's in fact innocent and God is just (sort of) testing him. Still, the logic is much the same in terms of collateral damage -- he even gets a new wife and new children in the end. This is considered a happy ending, but not for Job's first kids. They're still dead.

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** There is King David having has sex with the wife of one of his generals and [[UriahGambit getting gets said general killed in battle to get away with his adultery.]] adultery]]. God inflicts an illness on the child coming out of this affair. David repents and God forgives him. The king, that is. To really teach David that justice has to be done, the child however still has to die from the illness. David, and his new (stolen) wife have another son though, the future king Solomon, and seem to live happily ever after [[spoiler:until one of David's own sons goes to war against him]].
** And then there is the The general Jephta, who Jephta arrogantly pledges to sacrifice the first creature he encounters after an upcoming battle if God helps him to win it. His army is victorious, but the price for his hubris is quite terrible: As he's returning home, [[CruelTwistEnding his daughter runs out to meet him]].
** On the other hand, the The story of Job is actually ''not'' an example, though it might seem so -- it goes one step further, and beyond the trope, in that even the person who is "punished" by having his loved ones die is innocent. Job loses everything, including his family, but though his friends insist he must have done something to deserve it, he's in fact innocent and God is just (sort of) testing him. Still, the logic is much the same in terms of collateral damage -- he even gets a new wife and new children in the end. This is considered a happy ending, but not for Job's first kids. They're still dead.



** Niobe and her children is another example from Greek mythology. She boasted about them, compared herself to Leto and condemned people for worshiping Leto, and Leto's two children (the deities Apollo and Artemis) slay all 14 of hers by shooting them with arrows. Niobe's husband Amphion either committed suicide or was also killed by Apollo for wanting to avenge his children's deaths; Niobe herself so grieved that she turned to stone with a stream flowing from it said to be caused by her tears.
** Also from Greek mythology is the story of King Midas, who wished for everything he touched to turn to gold, which culminated in accidentally turning his daughter to gold, as shown in the page image.
** Again from the Greeks is Laocoön, who interfered with the original TrojanHorse because he was smart enough not to trust it. For jeopardising their plan, the gods sent a serpent to kill him and, inexplicably, his two sons.

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** Niobe and her children is another example from Greek mythology. She boasted about them, her children, compared herself to Leto Leto, and condemned people for worshiping Leto, and Leto. Leto's two children (the deities Apollo and Artemis) slay all 14 of hers by shooting them with arrows. Niobe's husband Amphion either committed suicide or was also killed by Apollo for wanting to avenge his children's deaths; Niobe herself so grieved that she turned to stone with a stream flowing from it said to be caused by her tears.
** Also from Greek mythology is the story of King Midas, who Midas wished for everything he touched to turn to gold, which culminated in accidentally turning his daughter to gold, as shown in the page image.
** Again from the Greeks is Laocoön, who Laocoön interfered with the original TrojanHorse because he was smart enough not to trust it. For jeopardising jeopardizing their plan, the gods sent a serpent to kill him and, inexplicably, his two sons.
29th Jun '17 6:48:54 PM Gravidef
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** One of the biggest examples in Greek mythology comes from the House of Atreus. Tantalus, the family's patriarch, was a demigod who got along with his divine relatives rather well until he decided to test the limits of their omniscience by [[ImAHumanitarian killing his son Pelops and baking him into a pie]], which he then served on Mount Olympus. Nearly all the gods immediately saw through the ruse (with the exception of Demeter, who had recently lost her daughter Persephone to Hades and thus took a small bite before she too stopped) and were absolutely furious. The gods gave Tantalus his famous punishment--[[AndIMustScream to be cursed with a burning hunger and thirst and forever trapped in a pool of water with a fruit tree right above his head, with the water and fruit always moving just out of reach]]--but that apparently wasn't enough retribution for what he'd done. His ''entire family line'' was cursed: Pelops (who the gods revived) had three children who did horrible things including murder, incest, and and forced cannibalism, while his grandchildren included Agamemnon and Menelaus, who you might know for their involvement in that whole Trojan War thing. And Agamemnon himself also killed one of his daughters to appease the gods and ended up murdered himself (as did the psychic Cassandra, who he'd taken as a war prize), which led two of his remaining children--Orestes and Electra--to cause even more death and destruction until Orestes ''finally'' begged Athena for forgiveness, at which point the curse was broken. So to recap: wars were fought and raged, innocent children were killed, rape and incest occurred on a grand scale, and countless people died...all because ''one person'' decided to test the power of the gods.
13th Jun '17 6:28:39 AM Az_Tech341
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This is quite common in many mythologies, where the gods teach someone a lesson by cursing his entire family -- but not necessarily them -- or setting up his descendants for misery. Sometimes this is the result of severe ValuesDissonance. In comic books and the like, in StuffedIntoTheFridge's purest form, female supporting characters die so that male heroes can learn vague lessons about the price of heroism, after which said heroes usually find new love interests and generally move on. It's also a part of ItsAWonderfulPlot stories, as the people around the hero have to suffer in the alternate timeline to persuade him that he needs to return to existence.

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This is quite common in many mythologies, where the gods teach someone a lesson by cursing his entire family -- but not necessarily them -- or setting up his descendants for misery. Sometimes this is the result of severe ValuesDissonance. In comic books and the like, in StuffedIntoTheFridge's purest form, female supporting characters die so that male heroes can learn vague lessons about the price of heroism, after which said heroes usually find new love interests and generally move on.get on with their lives. It's also a part of ItsAWonderfulPlot stories, as the people around the hero have to suffer in the alternate timeline to persuade him that he needs to return to existence.
3rd May '17 12:21:14 PM Kereea1
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* ''Film/BeautyAndTheBeast2017'' tries to deal with the implications in the Disney version by having the servants take some blame for the Prince's behavior since they did not protect him from his abusive father after his mother died. However this still does not explain Chip (a child) and Garderobe and Cadenza (performers who were hired and simply happened to be at the party that night). The opening scene makes it look more like the curse just hit whoever didn't get out of the room in time. Even worse, once the last petal falls the objects will turn ''inanimate'' effectively ''killing'' the servants and others who got caught in the curse. Belle's town is also collateral damage as they all magically forget about the nearby castle and all its inhabitants [[spoiler: which includes family members and loved ones]] for the duration of the curse. [[spoiler: No wonder the Enchantress shows up herself to fix things once the last petal falls right before Belle can say she loves the Beast. A cut scene even had Lefou call her out on it!]]
29th Mar '17 11:39:36 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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** There is King David having sex with the wife of one of his generals and [[UriahGambit getting said general killed in battle to get away with his adultery.]] God inflicts an illness on the child coming out of this affair. David repents and God forgives him. The king, that is. To really teach David that justice has to be done, the child however still has to die from the illness. David, and his new (stolen) have a new son though, the future king Solomon, and seem to live happily ever after [[spoiler:until one of David's own sons goes to war against him]].

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** There is King David having sex with the wife of one of his generals and [[UriahGambit getting said general killed in battle to get away with his adultery.]] God inflicts an illness on the child coming out of this affair. David repents and God forgives him. The king, that is. To really teach David that justice has to be done, the child however still has to die from the illness. David, and his new (stolen) wife have a new another son though, the future king Solomon, and seem to live happily ever after [[spoiler:until one of David's own sons goes to war against him]].
18th Mar '17 10:21:33 PM Ainzee
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* In Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the household staff are cursed, as well as the Beast himself. The musical version softens the collateral damage by having the staff discuss that they were the ones who had let the Beast turn into a spoiled brat in the first place.

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* In Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the household staff are cursed, as well as the Beast himself. The musical version softens the collateral damage by having the staff discuss that they were the ones who had let the Beast turn into a spoiled brat in the first place.place, however it still doesn't justify turning a ''seven year old'' into a teacup.
17th Feb '17 5:19:14 AM NNinja
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* [[Antihero Lelouch]], the protagonist of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' started war against empire of Brittania, but early on didn't fully understand the consequences of war. Sure, he knew that he's putting his life on the line and that he'll have to kill in order to win, but he didn't care much about casualties on any side, and while he tried to avoid or at least minimise collateral damage he didn't give much thought to it when it happened. [[spoiler: Until he found out that during one battle he accidentally killed his girlfriend's father.]]

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* [[Antihero [[{{Antihero}} Lelouch]], the protagonist of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' started war against empire of Brittania, but early on didn't fully understand the consequences of war. Sure, he knew that he's putting his life on the line and that he'll have to kill in order to win, but he didn't care much about casualties on any side, and while he tried to avoid or at least minimise collateral damage he didn't give much thought to it when it happened. [[spoiler: Until he found out that during one battle he accidentally killed his girlfriend's father.]]
17th Feb '17 5:18:44 AM NNinja
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* [[Antihero Lelouch]], the protagonist of ''Anime/CodeGeass'' started war against empire of Brittania, but early on didn't fully understand the consequences of war. Sure, he knew that he's putting his life on the line and that he'll have to kill in order to win, but he didn't care much about casualties on any side, and while he tried to avoid or at least minimise collateral damage he didn't give much thought to it when it happened. [[spoiler: Until he found out that during one battle he accidentally killed his girlfriend's father.]]
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