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6th Jan '17 10:36:41 AM Kombucha
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* In Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the household staff are cursed, as well as the Beast himself. The musical version softens the collateral damage by having the staff discuss that they were the ones, who had let the Beast turn into a spoiled brat in the first place.

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* In Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the household staff are cursed, as well as the Beast himself. The musical version softens the collateral damage by having the staff discuss that they were the ones, ones who had let the Beast turn into a spoiled brat in the first place.
12th Dec '16 11:10:23 AM KingZeal
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[[caption-width-right:350:This is nothing to what SHE'D be saying to him. If not for, well, you know.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:This is nothing [[caption-width-right:350:King Midas's daughter appears to what SHE'D be saying to him. If not for, well, you know.pay the ultimate price for Midas's lust for gold.]]
11th Dec '16 10:55:08 PM LBHills
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[[caption-width-right:350:King Midas's daughter appears to pay the ultimate price for Midas's lust for gold.]]

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[[caption-width-right:350:King Midas's daughter appears [[caption-width-right:350:This is nothing to pay the ultimate price for Midas's lust for gold.what SHE'D be saying to him. If not for, well, you know.]]
11th Dec '16 10:53:01 PM LBHills
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** As Creator/MarkTwain points out, there had to have the usual proportion of children born to the people of Noah's generation. Then God sent the rain, "and drowned those poor little chaps."
20th Nov '16 4:03:45 PM SaraJaye
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* Linda Fischer in ''Literature/{{Blubber}}'' is bullied to the point of tears to set up for the protagonist's eventual fall from popularity so she can learn a lesson. Unfortunately, the lesson doesn't seem to have much of an impact on the protagonist and Linda never receives any sort of compensation or remotely happy ending after all she went through.
14th Nov '16 11:46:19 PM Ster
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* In Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the household staff are cursed, as well as the Beast himself. The musical version softens the collateral damage by having the staff discuss that they were the ones, who har let the Beast turn into a spoiled brat in the first place.

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* In Disney's ''Disney/BeautyAndTheBeast'', the household staff are cursed, as well as the Beast himself. The musical version softens the collateral damage by having the staff discuss that they were the ones, who har had let the Beast turn into a spoiled brat in the first place.
6th Nov '16 9:35:35 AM BillyMT
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* Happens a lot in ''ComicBook/ChickTracts''. A particularly nasty example is ''[[https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1068/1068_01.asp Mean Momma]]'', where the title character and her delinquent sons commit various crimes. Then God kills all the children with a tornado so that the mother will repent. And the mother thanks God for his kindness in saving her, ignoring that the children whom she raised to be criminals are now burning in hell.

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* Happens a lot in ''ComicBook/ChickTracts''. A particularly nasty example is ''[[https://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1068/1068_01.asp Mean Momma]]'', where the title character and her delinquent sons commit various crimes. Then God kills all crimes, from petty grudges to robbery. What follows is that the children with elder son dies in a crash, driving a truck he stole, then the middle kid immediately hangs himself for hearing that the late was his mom's favorite. Then, while the mother is away from town to buy medicine for her feverish baby, ''a tornado razes their house with the baby still inside''. All happened with the implication that it was God's handiwork, so that the mother will repent. And the mother thanks God for his kindness in saving her, ignoring that the children whom she raised to be criminals hateful and bitter individuals are now burning in hell.
18th Oct '16 12:52:48 PM Dravencour
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In mythological, religious and fantasy works, somebody does or says something that shows he's in need of an attitude adjustment. Either a being (often a deity or similarly powerful creature) or Fate itself will act overtly to [[AnAesop teach this lesson]]. Unfortunately, the direct victim of this tutelage isn't the person in need of the lesson, but rather one or more persons close to him, who have not been shown to have done anything wrong. Typical victims are children, spouses and colleagues of the culprit, and the suffering often involves their deaths. In light of this, the culprit expresses remorse and either changes his ways or gives way to grief. Either way, he won't be making ''that'' mistake again. It is rarely, if ever, mentioned that the entirely innocent suffer the most.

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In mythological, religious and fantasy works, somebody does or says something that shows he's in need of an attitude adjustment. Either a being (often a deity or similarly powerful creature) or Fate itself will [[AesopEnforcer act overtly overtly]] to [[AnAesop teach this lesson]]. Unfortunately, the direct victim of this tutelage isn't the person in need of the lesson, but rather one or more persons close to him, who have not been shown to have done anything wrong. Typical victims are children, spouses and colleagues of the culprit, and the suffering often involves their deaths. In light of this, the culprit expresses remorse and either changes his ways or gives way to grief. Either way, he won't be making ''that'' mistake again. It is rarely, if ever, mentioned that the entirely innocent suffer the most.
15th Oct '16 2:33:49 PM HeroGal2347
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This is quite common in many mythologies, where the gods teach someone a lesson by cursing his entire family -- but not necessarily them - or setting up his descendants for misery. Sometimes this is the result of severe ValuesDissonance. In comic books and the like, in StuffedIntoTheFridge's purest form, female supporting characters die so that male heroes can learn vague lessons about the price of heroism, after which said heroes usually find new love interests and generally move on.

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This is quite common in many mythologies, where the gods teach someone a lesson by cursing his entire family -- but not necessarily them - or setting up his descendants for misery. Sometimes this is the result of severe ValuesDissonance. In comic books and the like, in StuffedIntoTheFridge's purest form, female supporting characters die so that male heroes can learn vague lessons about the price of heroism, after which said heroes usually find new love interests and generally move on.
on. It's also a part of ItsAWonderfulPlot stories, as the people around the hero have to suffer in the alternate timeline to persuade him that he needs to return to existence.



* In John Ostrander's take on ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', this was sometimes used to illustrate the dangers of the AntiHero protagonist's extreme BlackAndWhiteMorality, which bordered on BlueAndOrangeMorality at times. In one example, the Spectre threatened to slay every living person in the state of New York if an innocent man was executed, since technically the State of New York passed the sentence. The children, anti-death-penalty protestors, and the man's defense attorneys would presumably be among those killed.

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* In John Ostrander's take on ''ComicBook/TheSpectre'', this was sometimes used to illustrate the dangers of the AntiHero protagonist's extreme BlackAndWhiteMorality, which bordered on BlueAndOrangeMorality at times. In one example, the Spectre threatened to slay every living person in the state of New York if an innocent man was executed, since technically the State of New York passed the sentence. The children, anti-death-penalty protestors, protesters, and the man's defense attorneys would presumably be among those killed.
23rd Sep '16 1:07:20 AM Furienna
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** A strong example to modern eyes is the story of the Minotaur. The gods sent King Minos of Crete a white bull intended as an offering to Poseidon, but he decided to keep it as the prize in his herd instead. Aphrodite retaliated by making his ''wife'', Pasiphaë, fall in lust with it and arrange to play the part of a cow. Sure, Minos was stuck with the result of that union, the [[ImAHumanitarian human-eating]] Minotaur, but that just inspired him to lock it away in a labyrinth and periodically feed innocent Greeks to the beast until Theseus finally killed it. Pasiphaë, the Minotaur, and the innocent Greeks suffered, but Minos himself, not so much - he kept the bull, stayed king, and even became one of the three judges in the paradisical section of the Greek afterlife. Other than his wife sleeping with a bull (which ''would'' have been a blow to his ego, even if she was basically brainwashed Into doing it), Minos came out unscathed.

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** A strong example to modern eyes is the story of the Minotaur. The gods sent King Minos of Crete a white bull intended as an offering to Poseidon, but he decided to keep it as the prize in his herd instead. Aphrodite retaliated by making his ''wife'', Pasiphaë, fall in lust with it and arrange to play the part of a cow. Sure, Minos was stuck with the result of that union, the [[ImAHumanitarian human-eating]] Minotaur, but that just inspired him to lock it away in a labyrinth and periodically feed innocent Greeks to the beast until Theseus finally killed it. Pasiphaë, the Minotaur, and the innocent Greeks suffered, but Minos himself, not so much - he kept the bull, stayed king, and even became one of the three judges in the paradisical section of the Greek afterlife. Other than his wife sleeping with a bull (which ''would'' have been a blow to his ego, even if she was basically brainwashed Into into doing it), Minos came out unscathed.
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