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Our hero's behavior hasn't been so heroic lately. For one reason or another (MindControl, [[SpiderMan the black spider-suit]], or just a really bad week), his (or her) general hostility has alienated the rest of the main cast. There's few things that can happen. Our hero may realize the consequences of his behavior on his own, go back to his friends and apologize. One of said friends may approach him for a heart-to-heart (or tongue lashing) to snap him out of his funk.
And then there's this. Advice From Libby is when a character who is typically rude, hostile or arrogant herself gives the hero the (somewhat hypocritical but nevertheless true) speech intended set him straight.
It's worth noting that TheLibby and the JerkJock, two of the main distributors of this trope, have a tendency toward bluntness. While our hero's friends may be hesitant to insult him, these characters don't really care what he thinks and are willing to say exactly what he's doing wrong, without sugarcoating their WhatTheHellHero.
See also NotHimself and WhatTheHellHero for situations likely to inspire Advice From Libby.
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!!Examples:
[[AC: {{Anime}}]]
* Sae does this a few times in ''PeachGirl''.
* HesDedicatedToRoses: The leader of the GirlPosse give I-Da one of these after breaking her glasses. Subverted in that that wasn't what she had intended.
[[AC: {{Comics}}]]
* In volume 4 of ''{{Empowered}}'', the protagonist is overjoyed to be running for the Caped Justice Awards, until Sistah Spooky informs her that the award is a setup used to publicly humiliate the receiver and that she should watch out. Given that Sistah Spooky has been nothing but antagonistic from day one (not to mention [[BrokenPedestal breaking her own pedestal]], since Empowered ''was'' a big fan of hers until they met), she assumes Sistah is just raining on her parade. [[spoiler: She's not.]]
[[AC: {{Fanfic}}]]
* Though she's just a member of the GirlPosse, not the actual {{Libby}} herself (that's Emiru), Mia in ''Fanfic/FutariWaPrettyCureBlueMoon'' makes a full HeelFaceTurn by breaking Asa out of her HeroicBSOD. At the same time, Hoshi, who, while good from the start, never much liked Yoko, is the one to lecture her for [[WhatTheHellHero causing it]].
[[AC: {{Literature}}]]
* Vidia from the DisneyFairies series does this on occasion.
* A variation of this occurs in TheHouseOfNight series, which leads to friendship between TheHero and TheLibby, who eventually becomes the TheSixthRanger and a major supporting character.
* [[DarkestPowers Tori Enright]], while not necessarily evil, is a self-proclaimed bitch who once made it her priority to make Chloe's life hell. While her first time attempting to give Chloe advice ends up in the two of them almost getting carved up by a trio of street thugs, when it seems that Chloe is having trouble with Simon and Derek and gets subsequently very depressed about it, Tori's pep talk ends up helping Chloe to realize just what's wrong with herself. Which in turn leads to her accepting the fact that the one she's liked all along is actually Derek and allows her to return to a mostly normal state.
[[AC: LiveActionTV]]
* Episode one of season two of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' had Buffy, traumatized by her near-death experience at the hands of [[BigBad The Master]], acting mean and uncomunicative to her friends. She wound up getting a [[WhatTheHellHero tongue lashing]] from [[TheLibby Cordelia]].
** Cordelia fills this role constantly in ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'': "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass". When she joined ''Angel'', the role on ''Buffy'' was taken over by Anya, an ex-demon who hasn't learnt which thoughts should be verbalized, and occasionally by Spike who often didn't have time for social skills.
* There's the ''{{Angel}}'' episode "Epiphany". Angel's alienated most of his friends, and the world is about to be destroyed. The Host, who up to that point was just an obstructive joke character, helped him get his life back together and save the world.
* The episode "Whisper to a Scream" of ''DegrassiTheNextGeneration'' is a great example. Ellie, a {{Goth}} ZenSurvivor, is the only character all season who has been able to stand up to Paige [the Libby]. The episode starts with Ellie fighting Paige's latest scheme...then, due to trouble at home, Ellie begins cutting herself. Paige finds out and tries to help her get counseling.
** There was also a much less serious episode where Emma has her first period, and Paige tries to convince her that it's great because "You'll get boobs now" And "Boobs aren't that bad... they're really great actually."
** From our other Libby, Holly J, we get a few moments where she gives 'advice.' The first is after Mia finds out Sav likes Anya ("We need men, not boys."), after her [[FallenPrincess fall]] she gives advice to Spinner and Jane in season 8. Season 9 she has a wonderful scene with shades of the Paige Emma discussion telling Clare that having a impure thoughts isn't bad... so long as it doesn't lead to kissing the neck of Holly J's boyfriend.
* Odo being saved by advice from Quark in an episode of ''StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''.
* Late into ''LizzieMcGuire'', the WillTheyOrWontThey between Lizzie and Gordo was getting unbelievably tedious so Lizzie ''finally'' got a SorkinRelationshipMoment...from [[TheLibby Kate]].
* [[MadMen Joan Holloway]] gets to hand out a lot of this. So does Bobbie Barrett.
[[AC: {{Theatre}}]]
* In {{Legally Blonde}} {{The Musical}} TheLibby Vivienne tells Elle to return to the trial after vowing not to practice law all around. Needless to say, it is a CrowningMomentofAwesome.
* Subverted in [[{{ptitlefiwg8rim}} 13]] when Lucy tells Kendra she should thank Evan for getting Kendra and Brett back together [[spoiler: But really. [[{{The Chessmaster}} Lucy set the whole thing up]] so that she could be with Brett. It's a case of ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.]]
[[AC: {{Webcomics}}]]
* When Kharisma leaves the medicaid company at which she works with Davan in ''SomethingPositive'' she advises him to get out, telling him that he can do better and that she wouldn't wish the job on her worst enemy.
* In ''{{Misfile}}'', [[http://www.misfile.com/index.php?page=1188 Emily ends up calling Molly for relationship advice]].
-->'''Molly:''' Now lets sit back, just us bitches and figure out how to fix this, 'cause being a bitch is kind of my thing, and two bitches is one bitch too many.
[[AC:Web Original]]
* Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team in the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[EvilOverlord world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain).
[[AC: WesternAnimation]]
* In one episode of ''TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', Peter, under the influence of the black spidey-suit, acts uncharacteristicaly abraisive to his friends. A speech from [[JerkJock Flash]] causes Peter to realize what a jerk he's been (his exact words: "OK, if *Flash Thompson* is making sense, something must be seriously wrong") and cast off the symbiote.
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<<|MoreThanMeetsTheEye|>>
<<|CharacterizationTropes|>>
And then there's this. Advice From Libby is when a character who is typically rude, hostile or arrogant herself gives the hero the (somewhat hypocritical but nevertheless true) speech intended set him straight.
It's worth noting that TheLibby and the JerkJock, two of the main distributors of this trope, have a tendency toward bluntness. While our hero's friends may be hesitant to insult him, these characters don't really care what he thinks and are willing to say exactly what he's doing wrong, without sugarcoating their WhatTheHellHero.
See also NotHimself and WhatTheHellHero for situations likely to inspire Advice From Libby.
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!!Examples:
[[AC: {{Anime}}]]
* Sae does this a few times in ''PeachGirl''.
* HesDedicatedToRoses: The leader of the GirlPosse give I-Da one of these after breaking her glasses. Subverted in that that wasn't what she had intended.
[[AC: {{Comics}}]]
* In volume 4 of ''{{Empowered}}'', the protagonist is overjoyed to be running for the Caped Justice Awards, until Sistah Spooky informs her that the award is a setup used to publicly humiliate the receiver and that she should watch out. Given that Sistah Spooky has been nothing but antagonistic from day one (not to mention [[BrokenPedestal breaking her own pedestal]], since Empowered ''was'' a big fan of hers until they met), she assumes Sistah is just raining on her parade. [[spoiler: She's not.]]
[[AC: {{Fanfic}}]]
* Though she's just a member of the GirlPosse, not the actual {{Libby}} herself (that's Emiru), Mia in ''Fanfic/FutariWaPrettyCureBlueMoon'' makes a full HeelFaceTurn by breaking Asa out of her HeroicBSOD. At the same time, Hoshi, who, while good from the start, never much liked Yoko, is the one to lecture her for [[WhatTheHellHero causing it]].
[[AC: {{Literature}}]]
* Vidia from the DisneyFairies series does this on occasion.
* A variation of this occurs in TheHouseOfNight series, which leads to friendship between TheHero and TheLibby, who eventually becomes the TheSixthRanger and a major supporting character.
* [[DarkestPowers Tori Enright]], while not necessarily evil, is a self-proclaimed bitch who once made it her priority to make Chloe's life hell. While her first time attempting to give Chloe advice ends up in the two of them almost getting carved up by a trio of street thugs, when it seems that Chloe is having trouble with Simon and Derek and gets subsequently very depressed about it, Tori's pep talk ends up helping Chloe to realize just what's wrong with herself. Which in turn leads to her accepting the fact that the one she's liked all along is actually Derek and allows her to return to a mostly normal state.
[[AC: LiveActionTV]]
* Episode one of season two of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' had Buffy, traumatized by her near-death experience at the hands of [[BigBad The Master]], acting mean and uncomunicative to her friends. She wound up getting a [[WhatTheHellHero tongue lashing]] from [[TheLibby Cordelia]].
** Cordelia fills this role constantly in ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'': "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass". When she joined ''Angel'', the role on ''Buffy'' was taken over by Anya, an ex-demon who hasn't learnt which thoughts should be verbalized, and occasionally by Spike who often didn't have time for social skills.
* There's the ''{{Angel}}'' episode "Epiphany". Angel's alienated most of his friends, and the world is about to be destroyed. The Host, who up to that point was just an obstructive joke character, helped him get his life back together and save the world.
* The episode "Whisper to a Scream" of ''DegrassiTheNextGeneration'' is a great example. Ellie, a {{Goth}} ZenSurvivor, is the only character all season who has been able to stand up to Paige [the Libby]. The episode starts with Ellie fighting Paige's latest scheme...then, due to trouble at home, Ellie begins cutting herself. Paige finds out and tries to help her get counseling.
** There was also a much less serious episode where Emma has her first period, and Paige tries to convince her that it's great because "You'll get boobs now" And "Boobs aren't that bad... they're really great actually."
** From our other Libby, Holly J, we get a few moments where she gives 'advice.' The first is after Mia finds out Sav likes Anya ("We need men, not boys."), after her [[FallenPrincess fall]] she gives advice to Spinner and Jane in season 8. Season 9 she has a wonderful scene with shades of the Paige Emma discussion telling Clare that having a impure thoughts isn't bad... so long as it doesn't lead to kissing the neck of Holly J's boyfriend.
* Odo being saved by advice from Quark in an episode of ''StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''.
* Late into ''LizzieMcGuire'', the WillTheyOrWontThey between Lizzie and Gordo was getting unbelievably tedious so Lizzie ''finally'' got a SorkinRelationshipMoment...from [[TheLibby Kate]].
* [[MadMen Joan Holloway]] gets to hand out a lot of this. So does Bobbie Barrett.
[[AC: {{Theatre}}]]
* In {{Legally Blonde}} {{The Musical}} TheLibby Vivienne tells Elle to return to the trial after vowing not to practice law all around. Needless to say, it is a CrowningMomentofAwesome.
* Subverted in [[{{ptitlefiwg8rim}} 13]] when Lucy tells Kendra she should thank Evan for getting Kendra and Brett back together [[spoiler: But really. [[{{The Chessmaster}} Lucy set the whole thing up]] so that she could be with Brett. It's a case of ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.]]
[[AC: {{Webcomics}}]]
* When Kharisma leaves the medicaid company at which she works with Davan in ''SomethingPositive'' she advises him to get out, telling him that he can do better and that she wouldn't wish the job on her worst enemy.
* In ''{{Misfile}}'', [[http://www.misfile.com/index.php?page=1188 Emily ends up calling Molly for relationship advice]].
-->'''Molly:''' Now lets sit back, just us bitches and figure out how to fix this, 'cause being a bitch is kind of my thing, and two bitches is one bitch too many.
[[AC:Web Original]]
* Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team in the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[EvilOverlord world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain).
[[AC: WesternAnimation]]
* In one episode of ''TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', Peter, under the influence of the black spidey-suit, acts uncharacteristicaly abraisive to his friends. A speech from [[JerkJock Flash]] causes Peter to realize what a jerk he's been (his exact words: "OK, if *Flash Thompson* is making sense, something must be seriously wrong") and cast off the symbiote.
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<<|CharacterizationTropes|>>
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And then there's this. Advice From Libby is when a character who is typically rude, hostile or arrogant herself gives the hero the (somewhat hypocritical but nevertheless true) speech intended set him straight.
It's worth noting that TheLibby and the JerkJock, two of the main distributors of this trope, have a tendency toward bluntness. While our hero's friends may be hesitant to insult him, these characters don't really care what he thinks and are willing to say exactly what he's doing wrong, without sugarcoating their WhatTheHellHero.
See also NotHimself and WhatTheHellHero for situations likely to inspire Advice From Libby.
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!!Examples:
[[AC: {{Anime}}]]
* Sae does this a few times in ''PeachGirl''.
* HesDedicatedToRoses: The leader of the GirlPosse give I-Da one of these after breaking her glasses. Subverted in that that wasn't what she had intended.
[[AC: {{Comics}}]]
* In volume 4 of ''{{Empowered}}'', the protagonist is overjoyed to be running for the Caped Justice Awards, until Sistah Spooky informs her that the award is a setup used to publicly humiliate the receiver and that she should watch out. Given that Sistah Spooky has been nothing but antagonistic from day one (not to mention [[BrokenPedestal breaking her own pedestal]], since Empowered ''was'' a big fan of hers until they met), she assumes Sistah is just raining on her parade. [[spoiler: She's not.]]
[[AC: {{Fanfic}}]]
* Though she's just a member of the GirlPosse, not the actual {{Libby}} herself (that's Emiru), Mia in ''Fanfic/FutariWaPrettyCureBlueMoon'' makes a full HeelFaceTurn by breaking Asa out of her HeroicBSOD. At the same time, Hoshi, who, while good from the start, never much liked Yoko, is the one to lecture her for [[WhatTheHellHero causing it]].
[[AC: {{Literature}}]]
* Vidia from the DisneyFairies series does this on occasion.
* A variation of this occurs in TheHouseOfNight series, which leads to friendship between TheHero and TheLibby, who eventually becomes the TheSixthRanger and a major supporting character.
* [[DarkestPowers Tori Enright]], while not necessarily evil, is a self-proclaimed bitch who once made it her priority to make Chloe's life hell. While her first time attempting to give Chloe advice ends up in the two of them almost getting carved up by a trio of street thugs, when it seems that Chloe is having trouble with Simon and Derek and gets subsequently very depressed about it, Tori's pep talk ends up helping Chloe to realize just what's wrong with herself. Which in turn leads to her accepting the fact that the one she's liked all along is actually Derek and allows her to return to a mostly normal state.
[[AC: LiveActionTV]]
* Episode one of season two of ''BuffyTheVampireSlayer'' had Buffy, traumatized by her near-death experience at the hands of [[BigBad The Master]], acting mean and uncomunicative to her friends. She wound up getting a [[WhatTheHellHero tongue lashing]] from [[TheLibby Cordelia]].
** Cordelia fills this role constantly in ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'': "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass". When she joined ''Angel'', the role on ''Buffy'' was taken over by Anya, an ex-demon who hasn't learnt which thoughts should be verbalized, and occasionally by Spike who often didn't have time for social skills.
* There's the ''{{Angel}}'' episode "Epiphany". Angel's alienated most of his friends, and the world is about to be destroyed. The Host, who up to that point was just an obstructive joke character, helped him get his life back together and save the world.
* The episode "Whisper to a Scream" of ''DegrassiTheNextGeneration'' is a great example. Ellie, a {{Goth}} ZenSurvivor, is the only character all season who has been able to stand up to Paige [the Libby]. The episode starts with Ellie fighting Paige's latest scheme...then, due to trouble at home, Ellie begins cutting herself. Paige finds out and tries to help her get counseling.
** There was also a much less serious episode where Emma has her first period, and Paige tries to convince her that it's great because "You'll get boobs now" And "Boobs aren't that bad... they're really great actually."
** From our other Libby, Holly J, we get a few moments where she gives 'advice.' The first is after Mia finds out Sav likes Anya ("We need men, not boys."), after her [[FallenPrincess fall]] she gives advice to Spinner and Jane in season 8. Season 9 she has a wonderful scene with shades of the Paige Emma discussion telling Clare that having a impure thoughts isn't bad... so long as it doesn't lead to kissing the neck of Holly J's boyfriend.
* Odo being saved by advice from Quark in an episode of ''StarTrekDeepSpaceNine''.
* Late into ''LizzieMcGuire'', the WillTheyOrWontThey between Lizzie and Gordo was getting unbelievably tedious so Lizzie ''finally'' got a SorkinRelationshipMoment...from [[TheLibby Kate]].
* [[MadMen Joan Holloway]] gets to hand out a lot of this. So does Bobbie Barrett.
[[AC: {{Theatre}}]]
* In {{Legally Blonde}} {{The Musical}} TheLibby Vivienne tells Elle to return to the trial after vowing not to practice law all around. Needless to say, it is a CrowningMomentofAwesome.
* Subverted in [[{{ptitlefiwg8rim}} 13]] when Lucy tells Kendra she should thank Evan for getting Kendra and Brett back together [[spoiler: But really. [[{{The Chessmaster}} Lucy set the whole thing up]] so that she could be with Brett. It's a case of ExactlyWhatItSaysOnTheTin.]]
[[AC: {{Webcomics}}]]
* When Kharisma leaves the medicaid company at which she works with Davan in ''SomethingPositive'' she advises him to get out, telling him that he can do better and that she wouldn't wish the job on her worst enemy.
* In ''{{Misfile}}'', [[http://www.misfile.com/index.php?page=1188 Emily ends up calling Molly for relationship advice]].
-->'''Molly:''' Now lets sit back, just us bitches and figure out how to fix this, 'cause being a bitch is kind of my thing, and two bitches is one bitch too many.
[[AC:Web Original]]
* Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team in the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[EvilOverlord world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain).
[[AC: WesternAnimation]]
* In one episode of ''TheSpectacularSpiderMan'', Peter, under the influence of the black spidey-suit, acts uncharacteristicaly abraisive to his friends. A speech from [[JerkJock Flash]] causes Peter to realize what a jerk he's been (his exact words: "OK, if *Flash Thompson* is making sense, something must be seriously wrong") and cast off the symbiote.
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* Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team in the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[EvilOverlord world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain).
* Achilles, leader of the titular superhero team in the ''GlobalGuardiansPBEMUniverse'', goes to his father for advice on his personal life all the time. His father, by the way, is Lord Doom, one of the setting's [[EvilOverlord world-conquering master villains]]. This is a slightly inverted example, though, because usually Achilles is the blunt antagonistic one (for a hero), and Lord Doom is generally urbane and polite (for a villain).
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** From our other Libby, Holly J, we get a few moments where she gives 'advice.' The first is after Mia finds out Sav likes Anya ("We need men, not boys."), after her [[FallenPrincess fall]] she gives advice to Spinner and Jane in season 8. Season 9 she has a wonderful scene with shades of the Paige Emma discussion telling Clare that having a impure thoughts isn't bad... so long as it doesn't lead to kissing the neck of Holly J's boyfriend.
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** Cordelia fills this role constantly in ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'': "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass". When she joined ''Angel'', the role on ''Buffy'' was taken over by Anya, an ex-demon who hasn't learnt which thoughts should be verbalized.
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** Cordelia fills this role constantly in ''Buffy'' and ''Angel'': "Tact is just not saying true stuff. I'll pass". When she joined ''Angel'', the role on ''Buffy'' was taken over by Anya, an ex-demon who hasn't learnt which thoughts should be verbalized.verbalized, and occasionally by Spike who often didn't have time for social skills.
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*The episode "Whisper to a Scream" of ''DegrassiTheNextGeneration'' is a great example. Ellie, a {{Goth}} ZenSurvivor, is the only character all season who has been able to stand up to Paige [the Libby]. The episode starts with Ellie fighting Paige's latest scheme...then, due to trouble at home, Ellie begins cutting herself. Paige finds out and tries to help her get counseling. Ellie, of course, would rather die than be saved by the Libby.
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*The episode "Whisper to a Scream" of ''DegrassiTheNextGeneration'' is a great example. Ellie, a {{Goth}} ZenSurvivor, is the only character all season who has been able to stand up to Paige [the Libby]. The episode starts with Ellie fighting Paige's latest scheme...then, due to trouble at home, Ellie begins cutting herself. Paige finds out and tries to help her get counseling. Ellie, of course, would rather die than be saved by the Libby.
