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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SydneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, two British actors also famous for their work in mystery fiction.
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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SydneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, Creator/PercyHerbert, two British actors also famous for their work in mystery fiction.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended sexist expectations of female efficiency, but the truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had built a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously because she was probably an awful commander, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of such size and power. Of course, many male villains in the series are just like this, so it might not even be an actual point; it only stands out because those women claim to be otherwise.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended transcended sexist expectations of female efficiency, but the truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had built a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously because she was probably an awful commander, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of such size and power. Of course, many male villains in the series are just like this, so it might not even be an actual point; it only stands out because those women claim to be otherwise.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Zig-zagged. Both Pitt and Giordino easily deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like passed through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Zig-zagged. Both Pitt and Giordino easily deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's hands' skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like passed through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SidneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, two British actors also famous for their work in mystery fiction.
* SigilSpam: The Uffington White Horse for Odyssey, used unsubtletly and all over the place. They even mark it in their ritual victims.
* SigilSpam: The Uffington White Horse for Odyssey, used unsubtletly and all over the place. They even mark it in their ritual victims.
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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SidneyGreenstreet.Creator/SydneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, two British actors also famous for their work in mystery fiction.
* SigilSpam: The Uffington White Horse for Odyssey, usedunsubtletly unsubtlety and all over the place. They even mark it in their ritual victims.
* SigilSpam: The Uffington White Horse for Odyssey, used
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* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua, but this chosen name, while gramatically correct (it translates roughly to English as "not very beautiful" or, in a possible pun, "not much ''bonito'' fish"), is a sort of Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural as a Spanish ship's name.
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* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua, but this chosen name, while gramatically grammatically correct (it translates roughly to English as "not very beautiful" or, in a possible pun, "not much ''bonito'' fish"), is a sort of Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural as a Spanish ship's name.
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* AGodIAm: Epona and company call themselves goddesses.
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* AGodIAm: AGodAmI: Epona and company call themselves goddesses.
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: The cultists seem to be barefoot when in their ceremonial clothing. Possibly crosses into MagicalBarefooter given the context.
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory:
** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The word "Aígyptos" was actually the Greek spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same recognizable weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were only separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to fighting merely bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul groups, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply called Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; the mainstream view, by no means the only, is that they Lusitanians were a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, as ancient chronicles only mention them in those countries, while at the same time give hints that other Celtic lands like Hispania had rather different religious classes (the Hispanic counterpart to a druid was apparently a kind of diviner called "hieroscope" in Greek). Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in Celtic cultures too; only Gaul noblemen sported those characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, occasionally conjoined in larger monarchies, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Even more bizarrely, their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold (and very wrong) claim.
** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The word "Aígyptos" was actually the Greek spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same recognizable weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were only separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to fighting merely bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul groups, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply called Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; the mainstream view, by no means the only, is that they Lusitanians were a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, as ancient chronicles only mention them in those countries, while at the same time give hints that other Celtic lands like Hispania had rather different religious classes (the Hispanic counterpart to a druid was apparently a kind of diviner called "hieroscope" in Greek). Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in Celtic cultures too; only Gaul noblemen sported those characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, occasionally conjoined in larger monarchies, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Even more bizarrely, their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold (and very wrong) claim.
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* ArtisticLicenseHistory:
** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The word "Aígyptos" was actually the Greek spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same recognizable weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were only separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to fighting merely bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul groups, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply called Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; the mainstream view, by no means the only, is that they Lusitanians were a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, as ancient chronicles only mention them in those countries, while at the same time give hints that other Celtic lands like Hispania had rather different religious classes (the Hispanic counterpart to a druid was apparently a kind of diviner called "hieroscope" in Greek). Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in Celtic cultures too; only Gaul noblemen sported those characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, occasionally conjoined in larger monarchies, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Even more bizarrely, their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold (and very wrong) claim.ArtisticLicenseHistory: See [[ArtisticLicenseHistory/TrojanOdyssey article]].
** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The word "Aígyptos" was actually the Greek spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same recognizable weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were only separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to fighting merely bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul groups, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply called Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; the mainstream view, by no means the only, is that they Lusitanians were a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, as ancient chronicles only mention them in those countries, while at the same time give hints that other Celtic lands like Hispania had rather different religious classes (the Hispanic counterpart to a druid was apparently a kind of diviner called "hieroscope" in Greek). Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in Celtic cultures too; only Gaul noblemen sported those characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, occasionally conjoined in larger monarchies, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Even more bizarrely, their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold (and very wrong) claim.
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* FoeYay: Epona and Pitt seem to have some weird chemistry in their few moments together, but it is never expanded upon.
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** Kurt Austin and Joe Zavala from ''NUMA Files'' make a cameo in the story, which, judging by their dialogue, happens at the same time as ''White Death''.
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** Kurt Austin and Joe Zavala from ''NUMA Files'' make a cameo in the story, which, judging by their dialogue, happens at the same time as ''White Death''.''Literature/WhiteDeath''.
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* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were precisely the ones who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''. To make things weirder, the latter's events are actually mentioned in this book, meaning it is still canon.
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* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were precisely the ones who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''. To make things weirder, the latter's events are actually mentioned in this book, meaning it is they are still canon.
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** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to merely fight bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul tribes, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply call Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; they are generally considered a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist; beards were common in all Celtic cultures, and only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold claim.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to merely fight bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul tribes, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply call Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; they are generally considered a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist; beards were common in all Celtic cultures, and only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold claim.
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** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually their the Greek spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same recognizable weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they weremerely only separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to fighting merelyfight bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul tribes, groups, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simplycall called Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; the mainstream view, by no means the only, is that they are generally considered Lusitanians were a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name,and as ancient chronicles about only mention them in those countries, while at the same time give hints that other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely rather different religious systems.classes (the Hispanic counterpart to a druid was apparently a kind of diviner called "hieroscope" in Greek). Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn'texist; exist, as beards were common in all Celtic cultures, and cultures too; only Gaul noblemen had sported those characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, occasionally conjoined in larger monarchies, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers.Their Even more bizarrely, their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity as if it was a single event.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold (and very wrong) claim.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same recognizable weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Romans were, and geographically speaking they were
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to fighting merely
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name,
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, occasionally conjoined in larger monarchies, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold (and very wrong) claim.
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** As in the previous book, ''Valhalla Rising'', Summer Moran is stated to have died when her father's submarine city was destroyed in a sea earthquake. In ''Pacific Vortex'', the base was destroyed by a missile launched from a warship. This could be considered a poetic license, given that the missile more or less caused an earthquake inside the city, but it is still an oddity.
** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. Now this is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change might be a typo, but Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong Komg, vaguely implying she is the mysterious daughter Pitt was dating back then.
** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. Now this is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change might be a typo, but Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong Komg, vaguely implying she is the mysterious daughter Pitt was dating back then.
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** As in the previous book, ''Valhalla Rising'', Summer Moran is stated to have died when her father's submarine city was destroyed in a sea earthquake. In ''Pacific Vortex'', the base was destroyed by a missile launched from a warship. This could be considered a poetic license, given that the missile more or less caused an earthquake inside within the city, but it is still an oddity.
** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. Now this is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change might be a typo, but Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in HongKomg, Kong, vaguely implying she this is the mysterious daughter Pitt was dating back then.
** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. Now this is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change might be a typo, but Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: The cultists seem to be barefoot when in their ceremonial clothing.
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* DoesNotLikeShoes: The cultists seem to be barefoot when in their ceremonial clothing. Possibly crosses into MagicalBarefooter given the context.
* HoneyTrap: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal commodity, Flidais might have really served this purpose in the ship's operations.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended sexist expectations of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously because she was probably an awful commander, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of such size and power. Of course, many male villains in the series are just like this, so it might not even be an actual point; it only stands out because those women claim to be otherwise.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended sexist expectations of female efficiency, but the truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had built a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously because she was probably an awful commander, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of such size and power. Of course, many male villains in the series are just like this, so it might not even be an actual point; it only stands out because those women claim to be otherwise.
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* NoNameGiven: The Neo-Pagan coven seems to have no name, although they refer to themselves as the Daughters of Ulysses and Circe in their prayers.
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* NoNameGiven: The Neo-Pagan coven seems to have no name, although they refer to themselves as the Daughters daughters of Ulysses and Circe in their prayers.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino easily deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like passed through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Zig-zagged. Both Pitt and Giordino easily deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like passed through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
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** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by historian Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
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** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses that of Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by historian Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
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* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's claims, even although Pitt and Renee refuted them clearly, and he later thinks the ''Epona'' crew are being honest when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
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* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's claims, even although Pitt and Renee refuted them clearly, and he later also thinks the ''Epona'' crew are being honest when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
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* UnderwaterBase: The ''Pisces'', although one wonders what's its point in a mission that takes places only 30 ft deep - enough for Barnum to freedive back to the ''Sea Sprite'' from there.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal comfort, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal comfort, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
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* UnderwaterBase: The ''Pisces'', although one wonders what's its point in a mission that takes places place only 30 ft deep - enough for Barnum to freedive back up to the ''Sea Sprite'' from there.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal comfort, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.there.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal comfort, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
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* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua, but this chosen name, while gramatically correct (it translates to English as roughly "not very nice"), is a sort of Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural in that language.
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* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua, but this chosen name, while gramatically correct (it translates roughly to English as roughly "not very nice"), beautiful" or, in a possible pun, "not much ''bonito'' fish"), is a sort of Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural in that language.as a Spanish ship's name.
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** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually just their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when Alexander the Great invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Persians were, and that even although they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Persians were, and that even although they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
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** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually just their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt received this name when Alexander the Great UsefulNotes/AlexanderTheGreat invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks andPersians Romans were, and that even although geographically speaking they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and
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** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
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** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression.
expression. (Ironically, you would open a can of worms if you simply call Lusitanians "celts" in front of an Iberian antropologist, as the matter is not so simple; they are generally considered a pre-Celtic people who got Celtized at some point.)
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries. This at least might be justified because it is Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim.
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** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even primitive Celts).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity.
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity.
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** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance (and those two had the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthage and Rome, so they were not even primitive Celts).
earlier Celts like the ones from the novel).
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion ofChristianity.Christianity as if it was a single event.
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of
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** The story mentions or references the events of a ton of books of the saga, namely ''Raise The Titanic'', ''Sahara'', ''Inca Gold'', ''Shock Wave'', ''Atlantis Found'' and of course ''Literature/PacificVortex''. ''Valhalla Rising'' is also indirectly referenced through the ''Sea Sprite'''s MH engines.
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** The story mentions or references the events of a ton of books of the saga, namely ''Raise The Titanic'', ''Literature/RaiseTheTitanic'', ''Sahara'', ''Inca Gold'', ''Shock Wave'', ''Atlantis Found'' and of course ''Literature/PacificVortex''. ''Valhalla Rising'' is also indirectly referenced through the ''Sea Sprite'''s MH engines.
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** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin maid, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
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** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin American maid, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
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* TheDitz: One of the college students in the ''Sea Sprite'' believes that the Celtic amphora might be a modern cooking pot. Seriously, how do you even mistake one thing for another?
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* TheDitz: One of the college students in the ''Sea Sprite'' believes that the Celtic amphora might be a modern cooking pot. Seriously, how do you even mistake one thing for another?the other?
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of such size and power.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives expectations of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, previously because she was probably an awful commander, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of such size and power.power. Of course, many male villains in the series are just like this, so it might not even be an actual point; it only stands out because those women claim to be otherwise.
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* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal amusement, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the events don't exactly back it up.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the events don't exactly back it up.
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* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal amusement, comfort, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although theevents facts don't exactly back it up.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the
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* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. While gramatically correct, ''Poco Bonito'' (which would translate to English as roughly "Not very nice") is a sort of Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural in that language.
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* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. While Nicaragua, but this chosen name, while gramatically correct, ''Poco Bonito'' (which would translate correct (it translates to English as roughly "Not "not very nice") nice"), is a sort of Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural in that language.
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** Pitt thinks he would not be able to kill the female cultists because it goes "against his natural instinct and all he had learned" to kill women. He then opts to shoot the feet of several to disable them.
** Played straight, even exaggerated, with the US soldiers that assault the Odyssey base. They are forced to gun down the resident AmazonBrigade, and commander Nash states many of them will have to go to therapy because they "weren't trained to shoot women".
** Played straight, even exaggerated, with the US soldiers that assault the Odyssey base. They are forced to gun down the resident AmazonBrigade, and commander Nash states many of them will have to go to therapy because they "weren't trained to shoot women".
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** Pitt thinks he would not be able to kill the female cultists because it goes "against his natural instinct and all he had learned" to kill women. learned". He then opts to shoot the their feet of several off in order to disable them.
** Played straight, even exaggerated, with the US soldiers that assault the Odyssey base.They are After being forced to gun down the resident AmazonBrigade, and commander Commander Nash states many of them his men will have to go to seek therapy because they "weren't trained to shoot women".
** Played straight, even exaggerated, with the US soldiers that assault the Odyssey base.
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** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin domestic employee, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
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** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin domestic employee, maid, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
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* HollywoodSatanism: The UsefulNotes/NeoPaganism version. The coven is portrayed as a cult of misandric loons who believe in pseudohistory and practice HumanSacrifice.
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* HollywoodSatanism: The UsefulNotes/NeoPaganism version. The coven is portrayed as a cult of misandric loons who believe in preach pseudohistory and practice HumanSacrifice.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of that level and power.
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** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be quite badly managed for an organization of that level such size and power.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
* SadlyMythtaken: The prologue is written from a (supposedly) Greek perspectiva, yet a character namedrops the goddess Minerva, who is a ''Roman'' deity. The Greek name should have been Athena.
* SadlyMythtaken: The prologue is written from a (supposedly) Greek perspectiva, yet a character namedrops the goddess Minerva, who is a ''Roman'' deity. The Greek name should have been Athena.
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* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino easily deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like passed through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
* SadlyMythtaken: The prologue is written from a (supposedly) Greekperspectiva, perspective, yet a character namedrops the goddess Minerva, who is a ''Roman'' deity. The Greek name should have been Athena.
* SadlyMythtaken: The prologue is written from a (supposedly) Greek
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** Epona Eliade's surname is an obvious reference to famous historian and writer Mircea Eliade, known for his work in the comparative religion field.
** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
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** Epona Eliade's surname is an obvious reference to famous historian and writer Mircea Eliade, known for his work in the field of comparative religion field.
religion.
** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by historian Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by historian Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SidneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, two British actors also famous for mystery fiction.
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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SidneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, two British actors also famous for their work in mystery fiction.
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* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, though mixed with straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism. Epona and company echoe your typical third wave feminist blogger: they voice constantly the opinion that most men are naturally vulgar and stupid, claim that women are essentially enslaved by men and restricted from business, accuse Pitt of "paternalism" every time he refutes their villainous nonsense, are offended that he describes himself as tolerant, and behave needlessly rude themselves towards men they are in charge of (with Flidais even being implied to be such a BadBoss that her own male crew left her to die). In an extra twist, they also hypocritically celebrate thet their cult members are capable to "enslave" rich men to capitalize on their wealth, a negative stereotype they should been against.
* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's claims even although Pitt and Renee refuted them, and he later thinks the ''Epona'' crew are telling the truth when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's claims even although Pitt and Renee refuted them, and he later thinks the ''Epona'' crew are telling the truth when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
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* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, though mixed with straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism. Epona and company echoe remind of your typical third wave feminist blogger: they voice constantly the opinion that most men are naturally vulgar and stupid, claim that women are essentially enslaved by men and restricted from business, accuse Pitt of "paternalism" every time he refutes their villainous nonsense, are offended that he describes himself as tolerant, by the mere concept of tolerance, and behave needlessly rude themselves with gratuitous rudeness towards men they are in charge of all her male employees (with Flidais even being implied to be such a BadBoss that her own male crew left her to die). In an extra twist, they also hypocritically celebrate thet that their cult members are capable to "enslave" rich men to capitalize on their wealth, a negative stereotype they should been theoretically be against.
* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita'sclaims claims, even although Pitt and Renee refuted them, them clearly, and he later thinks the ''Epona'' crew are telling the truth being honest when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's
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* UnderwaterBase: The ''Pisces'', although one wonders what's its point in a mission that takes places only 15 meters deep - superficial enough for Barnum to freedive back to the ''Sea Sprite'' from there.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' let her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal amusement, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the story's events don't ultimately prove it.
* WordSaladTitle: The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. ''Poco Bonito'' is not a correct Spanish expression, unless in very, very colloquial usage; it would translate to English as "Not a lot of nice", just as odd as it sounds.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' let her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal amusement, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the story's events don't ultimately prove it.
* WordSaladTitle: The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. ''Poco Bonito'' is not a correct Spanish expression, unless in very, very colloquial usage; it would translate to English as "Not a lot of nice", just as odd as it sounds.
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* UnderwaterBase: The ''Pisces'', although one wonders what's its point in a mission that takes places only 15 meters 30 ft deep - superficial enough for Barnum to freedive back to the ''Sea Sprite'' from there.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona''let left her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal amusement, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although thestory's events don't ultimately prove it.
exactly back it up.
* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. While gramatically correct, ''Poco Bonito''is not a correct Spanish expression, unless in very, very colloquial usage; it (which would translate to English as roughly "Not very nice") is a lot sort of nice", just as odd as it sounds.Spanish BuffySpeak that doesn't sound entirely natural in that language.
* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona''
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the
* WordSaladTitle: Downplayed. The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. While gramatically correct, ''Poco Bonito''
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* AbortedArc: Simone Raizet. She's clearly one of Odyssey's amazons, as well as probably the spy that outs Dirk and Summer, but the why she is described and the fact that she has a name give the impression she will be an important character. Instead, she is never mentioned again and is not even among the coven members at the end.
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* AbortedArc: Simone Raizet. She's clearly one of Odyssey's amazons, as well as probably the spy that outs Dirk and Summer, but the why way she is described and the fact that she has a name to begin with give the impression she will be an important character. Instead, she is never mentioned again and is not even present among the coven members at the end.
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** Pitt and Giordino believe Rathbone to be a disguised Odyssey agent, but his description doesn't clearly imply it. He is described as being sweating by his head, something that shouldn't be visible under a latex mask, and his dialogue lines reveal a lot of information for someone that should be trying to misinform strangers. Still, the fact that he is an obese guy in a white suit echoes Specter himself, [[spoiler:whose fatness is meant to be a comfortable disguise for a curvy woman, thus implying Rathbone is another Odyssey woman in disguise.]]
** Dirk notes one of the female guards looks brainwashed. It's unknown if those women are ''really'' brainwashed, as in cult mind control, or they are simply that fanatical.
* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''. The latter's events are actually mentioned in this very book, meaning it is still canon, which only makes it weirder.
** Dirk notes one of the female guards looks brainwashed. It's unknown if those women are ''really'' brainwashed, as in cult mind control, or they are simply that fanatical.
* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''. The latter's events are actually mentioned in this very book, meaning it is still canon, which only makes it weirder.
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** Pitt and Giordino believe Rathbone to be a disguised Odyssey agent, but his physical description doesn't clearly imply it. He For instance, he is described as being sweating by his head, something that shouldn't be visible under a latex mask, and his dialogue lines reveal a lot of true information for someone that should be trying to misinform strangers. Still, the fact that he is an obese guy in a white suit echoes Specter himself, [[spoiler:whose fatness is meant to be a comfortable disguise for a curvy woman, thus implying Rathbone is another Odyssey woman in disguise.]]
** Dirk notes one of the female guards looks brainwashed. It's unknown if those women are''really'' brainwashed, as in cult mind control, literally brainwashed or they are simply that fanatical.
* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were precisely the ones who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''.The To make things weirder, the latter's events are actually mentioned in this very book, meaning it is still canon, which only makes it weirder.canon.
** Dirk notes one of the female guards looks brainwashed. It's unknown if those women are
* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were precisely the ones who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''.
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** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually just their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt only received this name when Alexander the Great invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology, which is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history would have not proved the opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Vikings would have been, and that even although they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly counter-intuitive due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology, which is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history would have not proved the opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Vikings would have been, and that even although they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly counter-intuitive due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
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** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually just their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt only received this name when Alexander the Great invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion andtechnology, which technology - something that is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history would have had not proved the exact opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Vikings would have been, Persians were, and that even although they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly counter-intuitive unlikely due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development development, and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and
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** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries, with Gaul druids being probably a male-exclusive occupation. This might be justified because it is Epona the one making the claim, and being a cult leader, she's not supposed to be necessarily telling history as it was.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in all Celtic cultures; only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance, and they had been already influeced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthago and Rome.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries, with Gaul druids being probably a male-exclusive occupation. This might be justified because it is Epona the one making the claim, and being a cult leader, she's not supposed to be necessarily telling history as it was.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in all Celtic cultures; only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance, and they had been already influeced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthago and Rome.
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** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and maybe during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two formercountries, with Gaul druids being probably a male-exclusive occupation. countries. This might be justified because it is Epona Epona, a Neo-Pagan cult leader and therefore not a reliable narrator, the one making the claim, and being a cult leader, she's not supposed to be necessarily telling history as it was.
claim.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn'texist, as exist; beards were common in all Celtic cultures; cultures, and only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-nationalalliance, and they alliance (and those two had been already influeced the advantage of being influenced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthago Carthage and Rome.Rome, so they were not even primitive Celts).
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national
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** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a bold claim.
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** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a very bold claim.
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** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. This is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change has all the look of a typo, except because Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong Kong, giving the vague impression she is meant to be the mysterious daughter.
** Earlier in the series, Sandecker's birth year had been established to be 1918, but here it is pushed forward to 1945 in order not to make him impossibly old for his job.
** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin assistant, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
** Earlier in the series, Sandecker's birth year had been established to be 1918, but here it is pushed forward to 1945 in order not to make him impossibly old for his job.
** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin assistant, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
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** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. This Now this is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change has all the look of might be a typo, except because but Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong Kong, giving the vague impression Komg, vaguely implying she is meant to be the mysterious daughter.
daughter Pitt was dating back then.
** Earlier in the series, Sandecker's birth year had been established to be 1918, but here it is pushed forward to 1945 in order not to make him impossiblyold for his job.
old.
** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latinassistant, domestic employee, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
** Earlier in the series, Sandecker's birth year had been established to be 1918, but here it is pushed forward to 1945 in order not to make him impossibly
** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin
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* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company believe that most men are intrinsically dumber. This is clearly connected with them being a matriarchy cult.
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* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company believe that most men are intrinsically dumber. This is clearly connected with them being a matriarchy matriarchy-like cult.
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* TheDragon: Flidais seems to play this role towards Epona.
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* TheDragon: Flidais seems appears to play this role towards Epona.
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* TheGuardsMustBeCrazy: As typical in the series, the security level in the Odyssey complex is rather pathetic, with the guards failing to react quickly to an obvious trap like a burning vehicle and not calling for the alarm in hours. Their field agents are also incredibly unprofessional, with two of them being spotted and panicking after realizing so in midst of their mission.
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* TheGuardsMustBeCrazy: As it is typical in the series, the level of security level in the Odyssey complex is rather frankly pathetic, with the guards failing to react quickly to an obvious trap like a burning vehicle and not calling for the alarm in hours. Their field agents are also incredibly unprofessional, with two of them being spotted and panicking after realizing so in midst of their mission.missions.
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* {{Hologram}}: Odyssey uses a futuristic hologram of a rather trite pirate ship to make it look like their sea kills are victims of a ghost pirate.
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* {{Hologram}}: Odyssey uses a futuristic hologram of a rather trite pirate ship to make it look like their sea kills in the sea are victims of a ghost pirate.
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** Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take different guises. This is sadly never demonstrated in the book.
** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously unprofessional, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be rather badly managed for an organization of that level and power.
** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously unprofessional, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be rather badly managed for an organization of that level and power.
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** Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take assume different guises.disguises. This is sadly never demonstrated in the book.
** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorouslyunprofessional, clumsy, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be rather quite badly managed for an organization of that level and power.
** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously
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* AbortedArc: Simone Raizet. She's clearly one of Odyssey's amazons, as well as probably the spy that outs Dirk and Summer, but the why she is described and the fact that she has a name give the impression she will be an important character. Instead, she is never mentioned again and is not even among the coven members at the end.
* AGodIAm: Epona and company call themselves goddesses.
* AGodIAm: Epona and company call themselves goddesses.
* AmbiguousSituation:
** Pitt and Giordino believe Rathbone to be a disguised Odyssey agent, but his description doesn't clearly imply it. He is described as being sweating by his head, something that shouldn't be visible under a latex mask, and his dialogue lines reveal a lot of information for someone that should be trying to misinform strangers. Still, the fact that he is an obese guy in a white suit echoes Specter himself, [[spoiler:whose fatness is meant to be a comfortable disguise for a curvy woman, thus implying Rathbone is another Odyssey woman in disguise.]]
** Dirk notes one of the female guards looks brainwashed. It's unknown if those women are ''really'' brainwashed, as in cult mind control, or they are simply that fanatical.
** Pitt and Giordino believe Rathbone to be a disguised Odyssey agent, but his description doesn't clearly imply it. He is described as being sweating by his head, something that shouldn't be visible under a latex mask, and his dialogue lines reveal a lot of information for someone that should be trying to misinform strangers. Still, the fact that he is an obese guy in a white suit echoes Specter himself, [[spoiler:whose fatness is meant to be a comfortable disguise for a curvy woman, thus implying Rathbone is another Odyssey woman in disguise.]]
** Dirk notes one of the female guards looks brainwashed. It's unknown if those women are ''really'' brainwashed, as in cult mind control, or they are simply that fanatical.
* BadBoss: Flidais is implied to be one, given that she is effectively abandoned to die by her own crew in the ''Epona'' after being knocked out.
* ButHeSoundsHandsome: Rathbone describes the Odyssey women as being beautiful and professional. It's implied he's one of them under a disguise.
* ButHeSoundsHandsome: Rathbone describes the Odyssey women as being beautiful and professional. It's implied he's one of them under a disguise.
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* ContrivedCoincidence: Loren happens to be part of a committee investigating Odyssey Corporation, although this doesn't have much weigh in the plot.
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* ContrivedCoincidence: ContrivedCoincidence:
** Loren happens to be part of a committee investigating Odyssey Corporation, although this doesn't have much weigh in theplot.plot.
** Flidais invades the hotel room of a woman who happens to be an IdenticalStranger to her, allowing her to use her passport.
** Loren happens to be part of a committee investigating Odyssey Corporation, although this doesn't have much weigh in the
** Flidais invades the hotel room of a woman who happens to be an IdenticalStranger to her, allowing her to use her passport.
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* InformedAbility: Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take different guises. This is sadly never demonstrated in the book.
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* InformedAbility: HollywoodSatanism: The UsefulNotes/NeoPaganism version. The coven is portrayed as a cult of misandric loons who believe in pseudohistory and practice HumanSacrifice.
* {{Hologram}}: Odyssey uses a futuristic hologram of a rather trite pirate ship to make it look like their sea kills are victims of a ghost pirate.
* InformedAbility:
** Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take different guises. This is sadly never demonstrated in thebook.book.
** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously unprofessional, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be rather badly managed for an organization of that level and power.
* {{Hologram}}: Odyssey uses a futuristic hologram of a rather trite pirate ship to make it look like their sea kills are victims of a ghost pirate.
* InformedAbility:
** Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take different guises. This is sadly never demonstrated in the
** The Odyssey women claim constantly to have trascended all sexist expectatives of efficiency, but truth is that none of them happens to be really competent in any sense: Epona does a terrible CEO work, Flidais blows her own cover in rage while being interrogated even although she had a relatively flawless alibi, her own mooks abandoned her previously, the female field agents are humorously unprofessional, the security women are not very tight in their work, and the corporation itself seems to be rather badly managed for an organization of that level and power.
* NoNameGiven: The Neo-Pagan coven seems to have no name, although they refer to themselves as the Daughters of Ulysses and Circe in their prayers.
* SeriesContinuityError: A helicopter that is described as blue turns red and yellow at the next scene.
** Specter's name is probably a reference to SPECTRE from Franchise/JamesBond.
** All the named coven members go under names of Celtic goddesses, and one of them uses Druantia, a reconstructed deity invented by Robert Graves that is popular among real life Neo-Pagans.
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* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed with straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism.
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** With his build, white suit and and speech pattern, Rathbone seems to be trying to evoke Creator/SidneyGreenstreet. His name also brings to mind Creator/BasilRathbone and Percy Herbert, two British actors also famous for mystery fiction.
* SigilSpam: The Uffington White Horse for Odyssey, used unsubtletly and all over the place. They even mark it in their ritual victims.
* TheSociopath: Epone describe her coven members as such, noting it to be an advantage.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, though mixed with straw Wicca-esqueneo-paganism.neo-paganism. Epona and company echoe your typical third wave feminist blogger: they voice constantly the opinion that most men are naturally vulgar and stupid, claim that women are essentially enslaved by men and restricted from business, accuse Pitt of "paternalism" every time he refutes their villainous nonsense, are offended that he describes himself as tolerant, and behave needlessly rude themselves towards men they are in charge of (with Flidais even being implied to be such a BadBoss that her own male crew left her to die). In an extra twist, they also hypocritically celebrate thet their cult members are capable to "enslave" rich men to capitalize on their wealth, a negative stereotype they should been against.
* SigilSpam: The Uffington White Horse for Odyssey, used unsubtletly and all over the place. They even mark it in their ritual victims.
* TheSociopath: Epone describe her coven members as such, noting it to be an advantage.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, though mixed with straw Wicca-esque
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* TapOnTheHead: Used by both heroes and villains, all with the usual effect.
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* TheVamp: Rita claims the men in the ''Epona'' let her alive to make her act as a honey bait for other ships. This part of her cover is actually plausible; assuming she was not lounging in a bikini for her personal amusement, Flidais might have done it for this purpose.
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The book's story draws heavily from Iman Wilkens's ''Where Troy Once Stood'', a controversial work which claims that the city of Troy was located in England and that the Trojan War was fought between groups of Celts.
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The book's story draws heavily from Iman Wilkens's ''Where Troy Once Stood'', a controversial work which claims that the city of Troy was located in England and that the Trojan War UsefulNotes/TheTrojanWar was fought between groups of Celts.
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* AmazonBrigade: The bad guys (or girls) of the book have one.
* BigBad: Specter [[spoiler:a.k.a. Epona Eliade.]]
* ContinuityPorn: Although the series' continuity is not being very concise, this book makes references to almost every other episode of the saga. Ironically, Loren's father appears here inexplicably alive and well despite having been killed in ''Vixen 03''.
* DarkActionGirl: An entire AmazonBrigade of them, although most of them offscreen.
* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company seem to think men are intrinsically dumber. This is apparently connected with them being some kind of neo-Pagan matriarchy cult.
* TheDragon: Flidais.
* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in a latex mask, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
* ShoutOut: Epona Eliade's surname probably comes from comparative religion expert Mircea Eliade.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed with with straw ecofeminism and straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism.
* SweetPollyOliver: [[spoiler:Epona disguises herself as the obese masked man Specter for public appearances. The obesity or her disguise is probably meant to hide comfortably her female frame, as it's implied that the also obese Rathbone is actually one of her henchwomen under a similar disguise.]]
* BigBad: Specter [[spoiler:a.k.a. Epona Eliade.]]
* ContinuityPorn: Although the series' continuity is not being very concise, this book makes references to almost every other episode of the saga. Ironically, Loren's father appears here inexplicably alive and well despite having been killed in ''Vixen 03''.
* DarkActionGirl: An entire AmazonBrigade of them, although most of them offscreen.
* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company seem to think men are intrinsically dumber. This is apparently connected with them being some kind of neo-Pagan matriarchy cult.
* TheDragon: Flidais.
* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in a latex mask, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
* ShoutOut: Epona Eliade's surname probably comes from comparative religion expert Mircea Eliade.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed with with straw ecofeminism and straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism.
* SweetPollyOliver: [[spoiler:Epona disguises herself as the obese masked man Specter for public appearances. The obesity or her disguise is probably meant to hide comfortably her female frame, as it's implied that the also obese Rathbone is actually one of her henchwomen under a similar disguise.]]
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* AmazonBrigade: Specter has one, given that most of Odyssey's executives, agents and security commanders are women.
* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''. Thebad guys (or girls) latter's events are actually mentioned in this very book, meaning it is still canon, which only makes it weirder.
* ArtisticLicenseHistory:
** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually just their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt only received this name when Alexander the Great invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology, which is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history would haveone.
not proved the opposite of this notion (to put only one example, Celtiberians and Gauls were as different from each other as Greeks and Vikings would have been, and that even although they were merely separated by the Pyrenees), this would be soundly counter-intuitive due to the enormous differences in geography, possibilities of development and exchanges with neighbor cultures they would have sported.
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to merely fight bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul tribes, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries, with Gaul druids being probably a male-exclusive occupation. This might be justified because it is Epona the one making the claim, and being a cult leader, she's not supposed to be necessarily telling history as it was.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in all Celtic cultures; only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance, and they had been already influeced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthago and Rome.
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a bold claim.
* BigBad: Specter[[spoiler:a.k.a. [[spoiler:who is actually Epona Eliade.Eliade in disguise.]]
*ContinuityPorn: Although TheCameo:
** Kurt Austin and Joe Zavala (who had been mentioned as having worked with Giordino to create theseries' continuity is not being very concise, ''Pisces'') make a cameo in the NUMA headquarters.
** Yet another character named Leigh Hunt appears in the story, thisbook makes time as a 17th century pirate.
* ChinaTakesOverTheWorld: China is explicitly backing Odyssey in their evil plans.
* ContinuityPorn:
** The story mentions or referencesto almost every other episode the events of a ton of books of the saga. Ironically, saga, namely ''Raise The Titanic'', ''Sahara'', ''Inca Gold'', ''Shock Wave'', ''Atlantis Found'' and of course ''Literature/PacificVortex''. ''Valhalla Rising'' is also indirectly referenced through the ''Sea Sprite'''s MH engines.
** Kurt Austin and Joe Zavala from ''NUMA Files'' make a cameo in the story, which, judging by their dialogue, happens at the same time as ''White Death''.
* ContinuitySnarl:
** As in the previous book, ''Valhalla Rising'', Summer Moran is stated to have died when her father's submarine city was destroyed in a sea earthquake. In ''Pacific Vortex'', the base was destroyed by a missile launched from a warship. This could be considered a poetic license, given that the missile more or less caused an earthquake inside the city, but it is still an oddity.
** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. This is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change has all the look of a typo, except because Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong Kong, giving the vague impression she is meant to be the mysterious daughter.
** Earlier in the series, Sandecker's birth year had been established to be 1918, but here it is pushed forward to 1945 in order not to make him impossibly old for his job.
** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin assistant, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
** Loren's father appears here inexplicably alive and well despite having been killed in ''Vixen 03''.
* ContrivedCoincidence: Loren happens to be part of a committee investigating Odyssey Corporation, although this doesn't have much weigh in the plot.
* DarkActionGirl: An entire AmazonBrigade of them, although most of themoffscreen.
offscreen. Flidais is also a trained fighter.
* TheDitz: One of the college students in the ''Sea Sprite'' believes that the Celtic amphora might be a modern cooking pot. Seriously, how do you even mistake one thing for another?
* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and companyseem to think believe that most men are intrinsically dumber. This is apparently clearly connected with them being some kind of neo-Pagan a matriarchy cult.
* DoesNotLikeShoes: The cultists seem to be barefoot when in their ceremonial clothing.
* TheDragon:Flidais.
Flidais seems to play this role towards Epona.
* EvilCounterpart: In a thematic sense. While the NUMA has all their vehicles painted turquoise, Odyssey does the same in lavender.
* FoeYay: Epona and Pitt seem to have some weird chemistry in their few moments together, but it is never expanded upon.
* TheGuardsMustBeCrazy: As typical in the series, the security level in the Odyssey complex is rather pathetic, with the guards failing to react quickly to an obvious trap like a burning vehicle and not calling for the alarm in hours. Their field agents are also incredibly unprofessional, with two of them being spotted and panicking after realizing so in midst of their mission.
* HandCannon: Giordino wields a Desert Eagle of all things in this adventure. Nothing against the kickback is mentioned, probably because he's so strong.
* InformedAbility: Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take different guises. This is sadly never demonstrated in the book.
* MeaningfulName: There's a helicopter pilot named Marvin ''Huey''.
* OnlyOneName: Specter. Even his lawyers refer to him as "Mr. Specter", implying it is legally registered as an artistic name or something similar.
* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone ina latex mask, disguise, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
*ShoutOut: SadlyMythtaken: The prologue is written from a (supposedly) Greek perspectiva, yet a character namedrops the goddess Minerva, who is a ''Roman'' deity. The Greek name should have been Athena.
* ShoutOut:
** Epona Eliade's surnameprobably comes from is an obvious reference to famous historian and writer Mircea Eliade, known for his work in the comparative religion expert Mircea Eliade.
field.
** The captain of the ''Sea Sprite'' is named Paul T. Barnum, a reference to the famous circus showman P. T. Barnum.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed withwith straw ecofeminism and straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism.
* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's claims even although Pitt and Renee refuted them, and he later thinks the ''Epona'' crew are telling the truth when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
* SweetPollyOliver: [[spoiler:Epona disguises herself as the obese masked man Specter for public appearances. The obesity or her disguise is probably meant to hide comfortably her female frame, as it's implied that the also obese Rathbone is actually one of her henchwomen under a similar disguise.]]]]
* TextualCelebrityResemblance: Captain Barnum is described as basically a bald version of Creator/JacquesCousteau.
* UnderwaterBase: The ''Pisces'', although one wonders what's its point in a mission that takes places only 15 meters deep - superficial enough for Barnum to freedive back to the ''Sea Sprite'' from there.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the story's events don't ultimately prove it.
* WordSaladTitle: The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. ''Poco Bonito'' is not a correct Spanish expression, unless in very, very colloquial usage; it would translate to English as "Not a lot of nice", just as odd as it sounds.
* WouldNotHitAGirl:
** Pitt thinks he would not be able to kill the female cultists because it goes "against his natural instinct and all he had learned" to kill women. He then opts to shoot the feet of several to disable them.
** Played straight, even exaggerated, with the US soldiers that assault the Odyssey base. They are forced to gun down the resident AmazonBrigade, and commander Nash states many of them will have to go to therapy because they "weren't trained to shoot women".
* ArbitrarySkepticism: Hiram Yaeger is weirdly opposed to believe Max's explanations about lost civilizations, despite he and Max were who collected all the info about Atlantis in the previous book, the aptly named ''Atlantis Found''. The
* ArtisticLicenseHistory:
** Max claims Egypt was given this name by the Greeks from a location mentioned in the ''Iliad'', which is thoroughly untrue. The Greek word "Aígyptos" was actually just their spelling of "Hikuptah" ("The Home of Ptah's ''ka''"), an earlier native name for the Egyptian capital of Memphis. She also claims Egypt only received this name when Alexander the Great invaded it, which is untrue again: Herodotus already referred to it by that name half a century before Alexander was born, and he was not even the first to do so.
** In general, the book describes ancient Celts as if they were a single, defined civilization, with all of their tribes from Spain to Denmark sporting the same weapons, customs, culture, religion and technology, which is effectively a historical aberration. Even if archaeology and history would have
** The in-universe historians, supported by the images in the ancient tomb, also claim ancient Celts fought naked most of the time, which is just a popular belief that a bunch of supposed experts should know better than. The Gauls were the only Celtic tribe that sported something similar to this custom, and whenever they did it, it usually amounted to merely fight bare-chested; full, unambiguous nudity was only recorded with certainty among two very specific Gaul tribes, the Gaesatae and the Tolistobogii.
** Similarly to the previous, it is claimed that Celtic women fought all the time along with the males, with the tomb showing nude Amazons as a proof. This is another stereotype that cannot apply to all Celtic tribes: the only real instances of Celtic women coming out as regular fighters happened in the last days of the UsefulNotes/LusitanianWars and during the Roman conquest of Britannia, and it was under very special circumstances each, not as an usual custom by any stretch of the expression.
** Only Gaul and Britannia had "druids" by that name, and ancient chronicles about other Celtic lands like Hispania imply they had diverse and completely different religious systems. Also, even although we know little about them, it seems there were also great differences among the druidic orders of the two former countries, with Gaul druids being probably a male-exclusive occupation. This might be justified because it is Epona the one making the claim, and being a cult leader, she's not supposed to be necessarily telling history as it was.
** Warriors sporting bushy moustaches instead of full beards is given as a pictoric proof of them being Celts and not Greeks. In reality, this distinction doesn't exist, as beards were common in all Celtic cultures; only Gaul noblemen had characteristic moustaches.
** Ancient Celts had a very primitive political system, based mostly in regional chieftains who ruled small tribes, so the possibility of a gigantic alliance of Celtic countries from all Europe in 1200 BC would have been downright impossible. Even larger-than-life figures like Viriathus and Vercingetorix failed to unify the lands equating to modern Spain and France, not to talk about creating a multi-national alliance, and they had been already influeced by more advanced cultures like Greece, Carthago and Rome.
** The experts from the book also seem to support the witch-cult hypothesis, a disproven conspiracy theory about how European witch-hunts were actually a mass attempt to suppress undeground pagan holdovers. Their explanation about the topic also seem to mix the conquests of Rome and the expansion of Christianity.
** It is claimed that Greek gods might have been actually early Celtic gods that received different names. This is true in the sense that most European pantheons descend from the ancient Indo-European gods, but to say that the ancient Greek religion was an appropriation of its early Celtic homologue is a bold claim.
* BigBad: Specter
*
** Kurt Austin and Joe Zavala (who had been mentioned as having worked with Giordino to create the
** Yet another character named Leigh Hunt appears in the story, this
* ChinaTakesOverTheWorld: China is explicitly backing Odyssey in their evil plans.
* ContinuityPorn:
** The story mentions or references
** Kurt Austin and Joe Zavala from ''NUMA Files'' make a cameo in the story, which, judging by their dialogue, happens at the same time as ''White Death''.
* ContinuitySnarl:
** As in the previous book, ''Valhalla Rising'', Summer Moran is stated to have died when her father's submarine city was destroyed in a sea earthquake. In ''Pacific Vortex'', the base was destroyed by a missile launched from a warship. This could be considered a poetic license, given that the missile more or less caused an earthquake inside the city, but it is still an oddity.
** The narration also claims Pitt met Summer Moran for the first time while he was in the Moana Towers hotel with the daughter of Admiral Sandecker. This is correct, except by the last bit: it was the daughter of Admiral Leigh Hunter, a completely unrelated character. The change has all the look of a typo, except because Sandecker is later mentioned to have a daughter with children living in Hong Kong, giving the vague impression she is meant to be the mysterious daughter.
** Earlier in the series, Sandecker's birth year had been established to be 1918, but here it is pushed forward to 1945 in order not to make him impossibly old for his job.
** In ''Atlantis Found'', Giordino speaks Spanish because his family had a Latin assistant, so he is called to translate for Pitt, who has no clue of the language. In this book, the roles are reversed: Giordino doesn't speak Spanish, only a bit he learned in Tijuana, while Pitt does, claiming to have studied it back in high school.
** Loren's father appears here inexplicably alive and well despite having been killed in ''Vixen 03''.
* ContrivedCoincidence: Loren happens to be part of a committee investigating Odyssey Corporation, although this doesn't have much weigh in the plot.
* DarkActionGirl: An entire AmazonBrigade of them, although most of them
* TheDitz: One of the college students in the ''Sea Sprite'' believes that the Celtic amphora might be a modern cooking pot. Seriously, how do you even mistake one thing for another?
* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company
* DoesNotLikeShoes: The cultists seem to be barefoot when in their ceremonial clothing.
* TheDragon:
* EvilCounterpart: In a thematic sense. While the NUMA has all their vehicles painted turquoise, Odyssey does the same in lavender.
* FoeYay: Epona and Pitt seem to have some weird chemistry in their few moments together, but it is never expanded upon.
* TheGuardsMustBeCrazy: As typical in the series, the security level in the Odyssey complex is rather pathetic, with the guards failing to react quickly to an obvious trap like a burning vehicle and not calling for the alarm in hours. Their field agents are also incredibly unprofessional, with two of them being spotted and panicking after realizing so in midst of their mission.
* HandCannon: Giordino wields a Desert Eagle of all things in this adventure. Nothing against the kickback is mentioned, probably because he's so strong.
* InformedAbility: Sandecker explains the ''Poco Bonito'' is essentially a shapeshifting ship, being able to alter her structure to take different guises. This is sadly never demonstrated in the book.
* MeaningfulName: There's a helicopter pilot named Marvin ''Huey''.
* OnlyOneName: Specter. Even his lawyers refer to him as "Mr. Specter", implying it is legally registered as an artistic name or something similar.
* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in
*
* ShoutOut:
** Epona Eliade's surname
** The captain of the ''Sea Sprite'' is named Paul T. Barnum, a reference to the famous circus showman P. T. Barnum.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed with
* SuperGullible: Professor Dodge, possibly on the account of being an AbsentMindedProfessor. He fully believes Rita's claims even although Pitt and Renee refuted them, and he later thinks the ''Epona'' crew are telling the truth when they claim they will release them alive if they surrender, despite those same mooks tried previously to destroy the ''Poco Bonito'' not once, but twice.
* SweetPollyOliver: [[spoiler:Epona disguises herself as the obese masked man Specter for public appearances. The obesity or her disguise is probably meant to hide comfortably her female frame, as it's implied that the also obese Rathbone is actually one of her henchwomen under a similar disguise.
* TextualCelebrityResemblance: Captain Barnum is described as basically a bald version of Creator/JacquesCousteau.
* UnderwaterBase: The ''Pisces'', although one wonders what's its point in a mission that takes places only 15 meters deep - superficial enough for Barnum to freedive back to the ''Sea Sprite'' from there.
* WomenAreWiser: Epona endorses this belief, although the story's events don't ultimately prove it.
* WordSaladTitle: The NUMA deploys a disguised ship named ''Poco Bonito'' to investigate in the Spanish-speaking Nicaragua. ''Poco Bonito'' is not a correct Spanish expression, unless in very, very colloquial usage; it would translate to English as "Not a lot of nice", just as odd as it sounds.
* WouldNotHitAGirl:
** Pitt thinks he would not be able to kill the female cultists because it goes "against his natural instinct and all he had learned" to kill women. He then opts to shoot the feet of several to disable them.
** Played straight, even exaggerated, with the US soldiers that assault the Odyssey base. They are forced to gun down the resident AmazonBrigade, and commander Nash states many of them will have to go to therapy because they "weren't trained to shoot women".
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''Trojan Odyssey'' is a novel by Creator/CliveCussler. It was published in 2003 as the 17th book in the Literature/DirkPittAdventures series.
NUMA director of operations Dirk Pitt and his children Dirk Jr. and Summer are investigating the origin of a strange brown contamination that is killing all sea life around Nicaragua, when they get suddenly involved in the rescue of a floating hotel, the ''Ocean Wanderer'', from a not less strange hurricane. They soon get proof that the Odyssey corporation, the cruiser's backer, is behind a diabolical plot that sinks its roots deep into ancient history.
The book's story draws heavily from Iman Wilkens's ''Where Troy Once Stood'', a controversial work which claims that the city of Troy was located in England and that the Trojan War was fought between groups of Celts.
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!!This book provides examples of:
* AmazonBrigade: The bad guys (or girls) of the book have one.
* BigBad: Specter [[spoiler:a.k.a. Epona Eliade.]]
* ContinuityPorn: Although the series' continuity is not being very concise, this book makes references to almost every other episode of the saga. Ironically, Loren's father appears here inexplicably alive and well despite having been killed in ''Vixen 03''.
* DarkActionGirl: An entire AmazonBrigade of them, although most of them offscreen.
* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company seem to think men are intrinsically dumber. This is apparently connected with them being some kind of neo-Pagan matriarchy cult.
* TheDragon: Flidais.
* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in a latex mask, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
* ShoutOut: Epona Eliade's surname probably comes from comparative religion expert Mircea Eliade.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed with with straw ecofeminism and straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism.
* SweetPollyOliver: [[spoiler:Epona disguises herself as the obese masked man Specter for public appearances. The obesity or her disguise is probably meant to hide comfortably her female frame, as it's implied that the also obese Rathbone is actually one of her henchwomen under a similar disguise.]]
NUMA director of operations Dirk Pitt and his children Dirk Jr. and Summer are investigating the origin of a strange brown contamination that is killing all sea life around Nicaragua, when they get suddenly involved in the rescue of a floating hotel, the ''Ocean Wanderer'', from a not less strange hurricane. They soon get proof that the Odyssey corporation, the cruiser's backer, is behind a diabolical plot that sinks its roots deep into ancient history.
The book's story draws heavily from Iman Wilkens's ''Where Troy Once Stood'', a controversial work which claims that the city of Troy was located in England and that the Trojan War was fought between groups of Celts.
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!!This book provides examples of:
* AmazonBrigade: The bad guys (or girls) of the book have one.
* BigBad: Specter [[spoiler:a.k.a. Epona Eliade.]]
* ContinuityPorn: Although the series' continuity is not being very concise, this book makes references to almost every other episode of the saga. Ironically, Loren's father appears here inexplicably alive and well despite having been killed in ''Vixen 03''.
* DarkActionGirl: An entire AmazonBrigade of them, although most of them offscreen.
* DoesNotLikeMen: Epona and company seem to think men are intrinsically dumber. This is apparently connected with them being some kind of neo-Pagan matriarchy cult.
* TheDragon: Flidais.
* PaperThinDisguise: Both Pitt and Giordino deduce Percy Rathbone is actually someone in a latex mask, though not because his face looks wrong or anything, but because his hands's skin looks different from his face's. They also perceive that his voice sounds slightly like through a voice deformer. However, it can be said the disguise actually fulfilled its mission to some degree, because if the wearer was [[spoiler:a woman]] as it was later implied, they didn't realize.
* ShoutOut: Epona Eliade's surname probably comes from comparative religion expert Mircea Eliade.
* StrawFeminist: The villains of the book, mixed with with straw ecofeminism and straw Wicca-esque neo-paganism.
* SweetPollyOliver: [[spoiler:Epona disguises herself as the obese masked man Specter for public appearances. The obesity or her disguise is probably meant to hide comfortably her female frame, as it's implied that the also obese Rathbone is actually one of her henchwomen under a similar disguise.]]