History Literature / TheThirteenthWarrior

14th Jan '18 4:10:36 PM nombretomado
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* XMeetsY: ''Beowulf'' meets Ahmad ibn Fadlan's travelogue. Deliberate and not hidden.
5th Jan '18 2:42:35 AM Ferot_Dreadnaught
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** Each of Buliwyf's men wears a completely different set of armor that in many cases won't be made [[TheyJustDidntCare for centuries]], or is outdated by centuries. There is a Roman gladiator's ''murmillo'', a Spanish conquistador's ''morrión'' and breastplate, a Greek-looking set of scale armor, and Buliwyf wears a Vandal helmet and part of a 15th century knight's plate armor at the same time.

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** Each of Buliwyf's men wears a completely different set of armor that in many cases won't be made [[TheyJustDidntCare for centuries]], centuries, or is outdated by centuries. There is a Roman gladiator's ''murmillo'', a Spanish conquistador's ''morrión'' and breastplate, a Greek-looking set of scale armor, and Buliwyf wears a Vandal helmet and part of a 15th century knight's plate armor at the same time.
4th Jan '18 5:32:59 PM Naram-Sin
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* HeroesLoveDogs: Buliwyf is accompanied by a large red dog for most of the movie.
4th Jan '18 5:30:30 PM Naram-Sin
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* DecapitationPresentation: The Wendol steal the heads of those who kill, including some of Buliwyf's men.


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* OffWithHisHead: The Wendol steal the heads of those they kill, including some of Buliwyf's men.


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* OffWithHisHead: Besides the Wendol kills, there is also [[spoiler:Herger decapitating Angus in their duel.]]
2nd Jan '18 12:26:40 PM Naram-Sin
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* ArtisticLicensegeography: The map in the beginning shows Baghdad in the middle of the Caucasus, at an equal distance between the Black and Caspian seas.

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* ArtisticLicensegeography: ArtisticLicenseGeography: The map in the beginning shows Baghdad in the middle of the Caucasus, at an equal distance between the Black and Caspian seas.
2nd Jan '18 12:20:21 PM Naram-Sin
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* AdaptationalVillainy: Wigliff is a CompositeCharacter of Hrothgar's (two) sons, Unferth and Wiglaf from the original epic, with every positive trait removed and a lot of negative ones (cowardice, jealousy, physical weakness) added. Like Unferth, he taunts Buliwyf when he arrives in Hurot and is silenced by being exposed as a fratricidal killer, but he doesn't reconcile with him and doesn't give him a weapon to kill Grendel's mother. [[spoiler: He later insults Buliwyf after he dies from the mother's poison and is killed in a duel by Herger, while in the poem Wiglaf killed the dragon after Beowulf was mortally wounded, and Beowulf willed his kingdom to him.]]

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* AdaptationalVillainy: Wigliff is a CompositeCharacter of Hrothgar's (two) sons, two sons (Hrethdric and Hrothmund), Unferth and Wiglaf from the original epic, with every positive trait removed and a lot of negative ones (cowardice, jealousy, physical weakness) added. Like Unferth, he taunts Buliwyf when he arrives in Hurot and is silenced by being exposed as a fratricidal killer, but he doesn't reconcile with him and doesn't give him a weapon to kill Grendel's mother. [[spoiler: He later insults Buliwyf after he dies from the mother's poison and is killed in a duel by Herger, while in the poem Wiglaf killed the dragon after Beowulf was mortally wounded, and Beowulf willed his kingdom to him.]]
2nd Jan '18 12:18:38 PM Naram-Sin
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* ArtisticLicensegeography: The map in the beginning shows Baghdad in the middle of the Caucasus, at an equal distance between the Black and Caspian seas.
2nd Jan '18 5:21:37 AM Naram-Sin
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** After killing Angus in a duel, Herger throws a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild weregild]] at the prince's feet.

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** After killing Angus [[spoiler:Angus in a duel, duel]], Herger throws a [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild weregild]] at the prince's feet.
2nd Jan '18 5:19:19 AM Naram-Sin
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* DeliberateValuesDissonance: Ahmad's worldview clashes with the Norse just as much as the reader's. For instance, the Norse consider 13 a lucky number.



* ForeignCorrespondent: Ahmad, being an Arab, is puzzled by many things common in Norse culture. However, being a 10th century Arab, he himself has beliefs in dissonance with most modern readers.

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* ForeignCorrespondent: Ahmad, being an Arab, is puzzled by many things common in Norse culture. However, being a 10th century Arab, he himself has beliefs [[DeliberateValuesDissonance in dissonance dissonance]] with most modern readers.



* HiddenElfVillage: The Wendol caves. Subverted with the dwarf community, which only exists because the Norse leave their dwarf children there.



* ThirteenIsUnlucky: Well, it was certainly unlucky for Ahmad to be picked as the 13th warrior of the party. But [[DeliberateValuesDissonance the Norse]] consider 13 a [[InvertedTrope lucky number]], and Ahmad is one of the few that survives to tell the tale.




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* YouCantFightFate: Ahmad is forced to go with the Vikings because it's their custom to have a foreign 13th warrior, and they won't discuss it.



** The Wendol get this even more than in the original book. In addition to the Venuses, they also have body paint (we don't know if Neanderthals did, though they may), cave paintings (very unlikely), and they also fight with horses and throwing javelins (certainly not). Relic Neanderthals or Cro-Magnons, [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality it is not unbelievable]] that they'd pick new technology from their neighbors along the way if they lived for another 31,000 years.
** Each of Buliwyf's men wears a completely different set of armor that in many cases won't be made [[TheyJustDidntCare for centuries]], or is outdated by centuries. There is a Roman gladiator's ''murmillo'', a Spanish conquistador's ''morrión'' and breastplate, a Greek-looking set of scale armor, a Vandal helmet, and Buliwyf wears part of a 15th century knight's plate armor.

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** The Wendol get this even more than in the original book. In addition to the Venuses, they also have body paint (we don't know if Neanderthals did, though they may), cave paintings (very unlikely), and they also fight with horses and throwing javelins (certainly not). Relic Neanderthals or Cro-Magnons, [[AcceptableBreaksFromReality it is not unbelievable]] that they'd pick new technology from their neighbors along the way if they lived for another 31,000 years.
** Each of Buliwyf's men wears a completely different set of armor that in many cases won't be made [[TheyJustDidntCare for centuries]], or is outdated by centuries. There is a Roman gladiator's ''murmillo'', a Spanish conquistador's ''morrión'' and breastplate, a Greek-looking set of scale armor, a Vandal helmet, and Buliwyf wears a Vandal helmet and part of a 15th century knight's plate armor.armor at the same time.



* AttackAttackAttack: Despite the Wendol's obvious mastery of cammouflage and scouting, their cavalry seems to only know this tactic.



* GeneralFailure: Despite being under constant Wendol attacks to the point of his people being depleted of men of fighting age, Hrothgar doesn't even put up a palisade before Buliwyf and his companions show up.

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* GeneralFailure: GeneralFailure:
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Despite being under constant Wendol attacks to the point of his people being depleted of men of fighting age, Hrothgar doesn't even put up a palisade before Buliwyf and his companions show up.up.
** Despite the Wendol's earlier mastery of cammouflage and scouting, once the Wendol leader breaks out the cavalry, he just keeps a frontal attack on one point of the Norse fortress and attempts to ZergRush it.



* HijackedByJesus: Ahmad's Muslim prayers would sound Christian-ish to a Muslim audience. Muslims do not refer to Allah as their father.

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* HijackedByJesus: Ahmad's Muslim prayers would sound Christian-ish Christian-lite to a Muslim audience. Muslims do not refer to Allah as their father.



* HollywoodTactics: The Wendol cavalry sends charge after charge against an entrenched enemy and only attacks on one place. When their leader is killed, they immediately retreat.
* TheHorde: The Wendol, who have number big enough to be taken for a "fire wyrm" when they move with torches in a myst. There are apparently hundreds of them, if not more.

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* HollywoodTactics: The Wendol cavalry sends charge after charge against an entrenched enemy and only attacks on one place. When their leader is killed, they immediately retreat.
retreat to presumably never be heard of again.
* TheHorde: The Wendol, who have a number big enough to be taken for a "fire wyrm" when they move with torches in a myst. There are apparently hundreds of them, if not more.



* YouCantFightFate: When the Northmen's oracle decrees Ahmad is to be the 13th warrior, his protests are completely ignored.

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* YouCantFightFate: The Norse consider that every man's fate has been written siunce the day he was born. When the Northmen's oracle decrees Ahmad is to be the 13th warrior, his protests are completely ignored.
1st Jan '18 8:55:29 PM Naram-Sin
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* MrExposition: The young nurse-like Norse woman and the MadOracle are there just to tell the heroes what's going on and what they should do next.
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