History Literature / TheThirteenthWarrior

27th Oct '16 11:16:30 AM dlchen145
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* {{Badass}}: All the Vikings and Ahmad. But Buliwyf is head and shoulders above the rest.



* MightyWhitey: Subverted. Ibn Fadlan impresses the vikings with his skills, not least his literacy and horsemanship, but he never surpasses the vikings in the skills they teach him, and he is most definitely not a fighter. If anything, the vikings consider him the TagalongKid, even going so far as to call him "little brother". And of course, Ahmad ibn Fadlan is an Arab. He is actually a fairly competent fighter, particularly in the film, but he can never hope to match the Vikings in battle because... well... they're [[{{Badass}} Vikings]].

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* MightyWhitey: Subverted. Ibn Fadlan impresses the vikings with his skills, not least his literacy and horsemanship, but he never surpasses the vikings in the skills they teach him, and he is most definitely not a fighter. If anything, the vikings consider him the TagalongKid, even going so far as to call him "little brother". And of course, Ahmad ibn Fadlan is an Arab. He is actually a fairly competent fighter, particularly in the film, but he can never hope to match the Vikings in battle because... well... they're [[{{Badass}} Vikings]].Vikings.
13th Oct '16 2:04:06 PM StFan
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* AdvantageBall: As long as the Wendol are considered supernatural, they seem almost invincible, slaughtering the 13 with ease. The moment their true nature is revealed, they start dying and fighting like standard {{Mooks}}.
* [[AGoodWayToDie A Good Day To Die]]: When wounded Helfdane decides to stay behind in the cave tunnels, he remarks to the sorrowful Ahmad, "today was a good day," even smiling. As said below, all of the vikings are invigorated by battle, and do not fear dying in combat.
* AllCavemenWereNeanderthals: And [[ImAHumanitarian cannibals]] to boot.
** Beyond that, it's oddly subverted. They have their own language, enough engineering skill to build a solid bridge, and can wage hit-and-run cavalry warfare.
* AnachronismStew: Some armor worn [[AdaptationDecay in the movie]] wouldn't be made for centuries. Others were out-of-date centuries earlier.
* ARealManIsAKiller: In the novel Ahmad is timid and wimpy until he learns how to fight and be a real man from the Norse warriors. In the movie, it is heavily implied that he already has some skill with a scimitar, and the Norse gain a great deal of respect for him once it becomes apparent he can hold his own.
* AutomatonHorses: While some care & feeding of the horses belonging to the Viking band is depicted (Ahmed is shown carrying hay for his horse) and some sense of the difficulty of transporting horses by longship is shown, the movie would have the viewer believe that not only was a tribe of hundreds of Wendol able to live undetected [[spoiler: in a cave within miles of the Viking settlement]] but that they also kept hundreds of horses there. (A single horse would need at least an acre of excellent pasture, year-round.)
* {{Badass}}: All the Vikings and Ahmed. But Buliwyf is head and shoulders above the rest.

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* AdvantageBall: As long as the Wendol are considered supernatural, they seem almost invincible, slaughtering the 13 with ease. The moment their true nature is revealed, they start dying and fighting like standard {{Mooks}}.
* [[AGoodWayToDie A Good Day To Die]]: When wounded Helfdane decides to stay behind in
{{Mooks}}. It is implied this is because the cave tunnels, he remarks to the sorrowful Ahmad, "today was a good day," even smiling. As said below, all of the vikings are invigorated by battle, and do not warriors lose their fear dying in combat.
of them.
* AllCavemenWereNeanderthals: And [[ImAHumanitarian cannibals]] to boot.
**
boot. Beyond that, it's oddly subverted. They have their own language, enough engineering skill to build a solid bridge, and can wage hit-and-run cavalry warfare.
* AnachronismStew: Some armor worn [[AdaptationDecay in the movie]] wouldn't be made for centuries. Others were out-of-date centuries earlier.
* ARealManIsAKiller: In the novel Ahmad is timid and wimpy until he learns how to fight and be a real man from the Norse warriors. In the movie, it is heavily implied that he already has some skill with a scimitar, and the Norse gain a great deal of respect for him once it becomes apparent he can hold his own.
earlier.
* AutomatonHorses: While some care & and feeding of the horses belonging to the Viking band is depicted (Ahmed (Ahmad is shown carrying hay for his horse) and some sense of the difficulty of transporting horses by longship is shown, the movie would have the viewer believe that not only was a tribe of hundreds of Wendol able to live undetected [[spoiler: in [[spoiler:in a cave within miles of the Viking settlement]] but that they also kept hundreds of horses there. (A single horse would need at least an acre of excellent pasture, year-round.)
* {{Badass}}: All the Vikings and Ahmed.Ahmad. But Buliwyf is head and shoulders above the rest.



* BadassCreed: Actually a funeral prayer, but treated as one:
-->Lo, there do I see [[ThickerThanWater my father]]
-->Lo, there do I see [[ThickerThanWater my mother and my sisters and my brothers]]
-->Lo, there do I see [[ThickerThanWater the line of my people]], back to the beginning
-->Lo, they do call to me
-->They bid me take my place among them
-->[[WarriorHeaven In the halls of Valhalla]]
-->Where the brave
-->May live
-->Forever!

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* BadassCreed: BadassCreed:
**
Actually a funeral prayer, but treated as one:
-->Lo, --->''Lo, there do I see [[ThickerThanWater my father]]
-->Lo,
father]]\\
Lo,
there do I see [[ThickerThanWater my mother and my sisters and my brothers]]
-->Lo,
brothers]]\\
Lo,
there do I see [[ThickerThanWater the line of my people]], back to the beginning
-->Lo,
beginning\\
Lo,
they do call to me
-->They
me\\
They
bid me take my place among them
-->[[WarriorHeaven
them\\
[[WarriorHeaven
In the halls of Valhalla]]
-->Where
Valhalla]]\\
Where
the brave
-->May live
-->Forever!
brave\\
May live\\
Forever!''



* ConservationOfNinjitsu: [[spoiler: In the first skirmish, the 13 take casualties against a small raid. In the first main battle, the remainder backed by the locals lose several more. In the caves, they lose yet more in tunnel fighting but take many enemies with them. In the last battle, four drive off an army and the only casualty was already dying from an earlier wound.]]
* CoolSword: Ahmed's scimitar.

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* ConservationOfNinjitsu: [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In the first skirmish, the 13 take casualties against a small raid. In the first main battle, the remainder backed by the locals lose several more. In the caves, they lose yet more in tunnel fighting but take many enemies with them. In the last battle, four drive off an army and the only casualty was already dying from an earlier wound.]]
* CoolSword: Ahmed's Ahmad's scimitar.



--> '''Herger the Joyous:''' We shall pray for your safe return!
--> '''Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:''' Pray to whom?
--> '''Herger the Joyous:''' In your land one God may be enough, but here we have need of many. I will pray to all of them for you. Do not be offended!
--> '''Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:''' I'll be in your debt!
--> '''Herger the Joyous:''' Goodbye, Arab!
--> '''Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:''' Goodbye, Northman.
** And this one [[spoiler: while Bulliwf lies dying after the climactic battle:]]
--> '''Bulliwyf:''' [[spoiler: I have only these hands I will die a pauper.]]
-->'''King Hrothgar:''' [[spoiler: (after a heavy pause) You will be buried as a '''king'''.]]

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--> '''Herger --->'''Herger the Joyous:''' We shall pray for your safe return!
--> '''Ahmed
return!\\
'''Ahmad
Ibn Fahdlan:''' Pray to whom?
-->
whom?\\
'''Herger the Joyous:''' In your land one God may be enough, but here we have need of many. I will pray to all of them for you. Do not be offended!
--> '''Ahmed
offended!\\
'''Ahmad
Ibn Fahdlan:''' I'll be in your debt!
-->
debt!\\
'''Herger the Joyous:''' Goodbye, Arab!
--> '''Ahmed
Arab!\\
'''Ahmad
Ibn Fahdlan:''' Goodbye, Northman.
** And this one [[spoiler: while [[spoiler:while Bulliwf lies dying after the climactic battle:]]
--> '''Bulliwyf:''' [[spoiler: I --->'''Bulliwyf:''' [[spoiler:I have only these hands I will die a pauper.]]
-->'''King
]]\\
'''King
Hrothgar:''' [[spoiler: (after [[spoiler:''[after a heavy pause) pause]'' You will be buried as a '''king'''.]]



* DiedStandingUp: [[spoiler: Buliwyf]] dies sitting on a log, watching the enemy retreat.

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* DiedStandingUp: [[spoiler: Buliwyf]] [[spoiler:Buliwyf]] dies sitting on a log, watching the enemy retreat.



* DoNotGoGentle: [[spoiler: Buliwyf]] is poisoned and so fatally sick that he can hardly stand, but when the battle starts he's there with his sword and his dog because that's just how Vikings do it.
* TheDreaded: At the beginning, the Vikings have real terror for the Wendol, and the legends that surround them. When Hrothgar asks them for help in fighting "an ancient evil - a terror that must not be named", the Vikings are so subdued that Ahmed ponders "What thing could affect them so?" In the novel, as the warriors approach Hrothgar's kingdom, Ahmed writes, "I looked at Ecthgow, the lieutenant of Buliwyf, and saw that he stood in the boat and made a brave face, and yet his knees trembled, and it was not the stiffness of the wind that made them tremble so. He was afraid; they were all afraid; and I did not know why."

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* DoNotGoGentle: [[spoiler: Buliwyf]] [[spoiler:Buliwyf]] is poisoned and so fatally sick that he can hardly stand, but when the battle starts he's there with his sword and his dog because that's just how Vikings do it.
* TheDreaded: At the beginning, the Vikings have real terror for the Wendol, and the legends that surround them. When Hrothgar asks them for help in fighting "an ancient evil - -- a terror that must not be named", the Vikings are so subdued that Ahmed Ahmad ponders "What thing could affect them so?" In the novel, as the warriors approach Hrothgar's kingdom, Ahmed Ahmad writes, "I looked at Ecthgow, the lieutenant of Buliwyf, and saw that he stood in the boat and made a brave face, and yet his knees trembled, and it was not the stiffness of the wind that made them tremble so. He was afraid; they were all afraid; and I did not know why."



* {{Fanfare}}: The score by JerryGoldsmith.

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* {{Fanfare}}: The score by JerryGoldsmith.Music/JerryGoldsmith.



* AGoodWayToDie: When wounded Helfdane decides to stay behind in the cave tunnels, he remarks to the sorrowful Ahmad, "today was a good day," even smiling. As said below, all of the vikings are invigorated by battle, and do not fear dying in combat.



* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: [[spoiler: In addition to the strange oracles, Buliwyf's reappearance at the end of the novel for the final battle is rife with pagan symbolism of the god Odin, implying a supernatural source for his HeroicSecondWind.]]
* MightyWhitey: Subverted. Ibn Fadlan impresses the vikings with his skills, not least his literacy and horsemanship, but he never surpasses the vikings in the skills they teach him, and he is most definitely not a fighter. If anything, the vikings consider him the TagalongKid, even going so far as to call him "little brother". And of course, Ahmad ibn Fadlan is an Arab.
** He is actually a fairly competent fighter, particularly in the film, but he can never hope to match the Vikings in battle because... well... they're [[{{Badass}} Vikings]].
* MillionMookMarch: [[spoiler: The "fire wyrm"]]
* NoEnding: The manuscript, and thus the book, ends just before Ahmad ibn Fadlan is about to embark on a new adventure, practically in the middle of
** And the in-universe commentary is [[AndTheAdventureContinues extremely blunt]] about how to interpret it.

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* MaybeMagicMaybeMundane: [[spoiler: In [[spoiler:In addition to the strange oracles, Buliwyf's reappearance at the end of the novel for the final battle is rife with pagan symbolism of the god Odin, implying a supernatural source for his HeroicSecondWind.]]
* MightyWhitey: Subverted. Ibn Fadlan impresses the vikings with his skills, not least his literacy and horsemanship, but he never surpasses the vikings in the skills they teach him, and he is most definitely not a fighter. If anything, the vikings consider him the TagalongKid, even going so far as to call him "little brother". And of course, Ahmad ibn Fadlan is an Arab.
**
Arab. He is actually a fairly competent fighter, particularly in the film, but he can never hope to match the Vikings in battle because... well... they're [[{{Badass}} Vikings]].
* MillionMookMarch: [[spoiler: The [[spoiler:The "fire wyrm"]]
wyrm".]]
* NoEnding: The manuscript, and thus the book, ends just before Ahmad ibn Fadlan is about to embark on a new adventure, practically in the middle of
**
adventure. And the in-universe commentary is [[AndTheAdventureContinues extremely blunt]] about how to interpret it.



* ARealManIsAKiller: In the novel Ahmad is timid and wimpy until he learns how to fight and be a real man from the Norse warriors. In the movie, it is heavily implied that he already has some skill with a scimitar, and the Norse gain a great deal of respect for him once it becomes apparent he can hold his own.



* RuleOfFunny: The Vikings mock Ahmad's little Arabian horse. While Arabian horses were relatively small at the time to better survive in the desert, Scandinavians rode ''ponies'', which were also small to survive in the cold.
** The Vikings' attitude toward Arab horses is TruthInTelevision for a lot of people who don't know what these [[PintSizedPowerhouse Pint Sized Powerhouses]] are capable of. In reality they are [[HiddenBadass Hidden Badasses]] which have been [[http://www.arabianhorses.org/education/education_history_bedouin.asp bred for battle]] for centuries.

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* RuleOfFunny: The Vikings mock Ahmad's little Arabian horse. While Arabian horses were relatively small at the time to better survive in the desert, Scandinavians rode ''ponies'', which were also small to survive in the cold.
**
cold. The Vikings' attitude toward Arab horses is TruthInTelevision for a lot of people who don't know what these [[PintSizedPowerhouse Pint Sized Pint-Sized Powerhouses]] are capable of. In reality they are [[HiddenBadass Hidden Badasses]] which have been [[http://www.arabianhorses.org/education/education_history_bedouin.asp bred for battle]] for centuries.



* ShownTheirWork: As per the course, Crichton displays his erudition. His worldbuilding was and is so convincing that years later, he later couldn't tell which parts he made up. He said one of the annoying parts was that he'd fabricated his references so well that he'd spend hours trying to look up a book, and sometimes still wasn't sure whether he just couldn't find it or he'd made it up himself.

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* ShownTheirWork: ShownTheirWork:
**
As per the course, Crichton displays his erudition. His worldbuilding was and is so convincing that years later, he later couldn't tell which parts he made up. He said one of the annoying parts was that he'd fabricated his references so well that he'd spend hours trying to look up a book, and sometimes still wasn't sure whether he just couldn't find it or he'd made it up himself.



-->"Luck, often enough, will save a man if his courage holds."
-->''Wyrd oft nereð unfægne eorl þonne his ellen deah'' (''Wyrd'' often spares an undoomed man when his courage endures.[[note]]Wyrd can be translated as Fate or Luck[[/note]])

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-->"Luck, --->"Luck, often enough, will save a man if his courage holds."
-->''Wyrd
"\\
''Wyrd
oft nereð unfægne eorl þonne his ellen deah'' (''Wyrd'' often spares an undoomed man when his courage endures.[[note]]Wyrd can be translated as Fate or Luck[[/note]])



* TranslationConvention: In the beginning of the film, Ahmad ibn Fadlan speaks Arabic, which the movie-goers hear as English. He travels with Norsemen, who speak only Norse. Over a montage, he makes a dedicated effort to learn their language. The dialogue changes slowly but surely from Norse to English, showing that Banderas's character has learned the language. In the book, his character spends most of the story slowly learning the language and having most things translated into Latin by bilingual Norsemen (usually Herger).
* TwiceToldTale: Beowulf and Ahmad ibn Fadlan's travelogue
* TykeBomb: The Wendol take the children of slain families and raise them as their own to boost their army
* {{Wendigo}}: the fictional legend of the ''Wendol'' which the troll-like [[spoiler:Neanderthals]] are mistaken for, on which [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} Grendel]] is supposedly based [[ExternalRetcon in this version]].
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The prince and his remaining henchmen are never seen nor mentioned after the sham duel. Most likely they were lost somewhere in the cutting room with other lacking pieces of the film.
** In the novel, [[spoiler:Herger kills the Prince in a duel following the final battle because the Prince made disparaging remarks about the recently-departed Buliwyf. Although it's unknown if a similar scene was ever filmed for the movie.]]

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* TranslationConvention: In the beginning of the film, Ahmad ibn Fadlan speaks Arabic, which the movie-goers hear as English. He travels with Norsemen, who speak only Norse. Over a montage, he makes a dedicated effort to learn their language. The dialogue changes slowly but surely from Norse to English, showing that Banderas's character Ahmad has learned the language. In the book, his character spends most of the story slowly learning the language and having most things translated into Latin by bilingual Norsemen (usually Herger).
Herger).
* TwiceToldTale: Beowulf and Ahmad ibn Fadlan's travelogue
travelogue.
* TykeBomb: The Wendol take the children of slain families and raise them as their own to boost their army
army.
* {{Wendigo}}: the The fictional legend of the ''Wendol'' which the troll-like [[spoiler:Neanderthals]] are mistaken for, on which [[Literature/{{Beowulf}} Grendel]] is supposedly based [[ExternalRetcon in this version]].
* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: The prince and his remaining henchmen are never seen nor mentioned after the sham duel. Most likely they were lost somewhere in the cutting room with other lacking pieces of the film.
**
film. In the novel, [[spoiler:Herger kills the Prince in a duel following the final battle because the Prince made disparaging remarks about the recently-departed Buliwyf. Although it's unknown if a similar scene was ever filmed for the movie.]]
28th Sep '16 5:07:34 AM JamesAustin
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The novel was later adapted into a feature film starring Creator/AntonioBanderas and directed by [=John McTiernan=]. Crichton himself performed some reshoots after test screenings, such as making the tribe's queen into a lithe DarkActionGirl. Depending on how the numbers are calculated the film is possibly the biggest box office failure of all time, with an upper figure of 180 ''million'' dollars lost on the production.

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The novel was later adapted into a feature film starring Creator/AntonioBanderas and directed by [=John McTiernan=].Creator/JohnMcTiernan. Crichton himself performed some reshoots after test screenings, such as making the tribe's queen into a lithe DarkActionGirl. Depending on how the numbers are calculated the film is possibly the biggest box office failure of all time, with an upper figure of 180 ''million'' dollars lost on the production.
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5th Jul '16 8:11:32 AM StFan
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The novel was later adapted into a feature film starring AntonioBanderas and directed by [=John McTiernan=]. Crichton himself performed some reshoots after test screenings, such as making the tribe's queen into a lithe DarkActionGirl. Depending on how the numbers are calculated the film is possibly the biggest box office failure of all time, with an upper figure of 180 ''million'' dollars lost on the production.

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The novel was later adapted into a feature film starring AntonioBanderas Creator/AntonioBanderas and directed by [=John McTiernan=]. Crichton himself performed some reshoots after test screenings, such as making the tribe's queen into a lithe DarkActionGirl. Depending on how the numbers are calculated the film is possibly the biggest box office failure of all time, with an upper figure of 180 ''million'' dollars lost on the production.production.



!!Contains Examples Of:

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!!Contains Examples Of:
!!''The 13th Warrior'' provides examples of:
19th Feb '16 7:08:13 AM gravious
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** And this one [[spoiler: while Bulliwf lies dying after the climactic battle, stating he will die a pauper.]]

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** And this one [[spoiler: while Bulliwf lies dying after the climactic battle, stating he will die a pauper.]]battle:]]
19th Feb '16 7:02:21 AM gravious
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*CrowningMomentOfHeartwarming: A couple of exchanges.
** This one:
--> '''Herger the Joyous:''' We shall pray for your safe return!
--> '''Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:''' Pray to whom?
--> '''Herger the Joyous:''' In your land one God may be enough, but here we have need of many. I will pray to all of them for you. Do not be offended!
--> '''Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:''' I'll be in your debt!
--> '''Herger the Joyous:''' Goodbye, Arab!
--> '''Ahmed Ibn Fahdlan:''' Goodbye, Northman.
** And this one [[spoiler: while Bulliwf lies dying after the climactic battle, stating he will die a pauper.]]
--> '''Bulliwyf:''' [[spoiler: I have only these hands I will die a pauper.]]
-->'''King Hrothgar:''' [[spoiler: (after a heavy pause) You will be buried as a '''king'''.]]
3rd Jan '16 4:33:04 PM Qube
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* MadnessMantra: Ahmad manages to kill one of the Wendol in the second battle, and gets a chance to inspect the body to discover that the Wendol are not supernatural creatures but rather ordinary humans. The revelation breaks him for a moment, and he can only repeat "It's a man" before flying into a rage and attacking the rest.
16th Dec '15 12:00:46 PM Whistler
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* AdaptationalBadass: While the Ahmad in the book was banished for fooling around with another man's wife (in a random, loveless encounter), has no particular skills, and barely manages to keep himself alive in fights, the Ahmad in the movie was banished for his (implied to be unconsummated) love of a woman forced to marry another against her will, is a talented equestrian and swordsman and capable of learning language just by careful observation and listening (at least in an immersive environment), and probably racks up as many kills as the battle-hardened Vikings he accompanies. He starts the movie about as competent in a fight as his book equivalent, but it turns out it's because he doesn't know how to use that style of sword.

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* AdaptationalBadass: While the Ahmad in the book was banished for fooling around with another man's wife (in a random, loveless encounter), has no particular skills, and barely manages to keep himself alive in fights, the Ahmad in the movie was banished for his (implied to be unconsummated) love of a woman forced to marry another against her will, is a talented equestrian and swordsman and capable of learning language just by careful observation and listening (at least in an immersive environment), and probably racks up as many kills as the battle-hardened Vikings he accompanies.environment. He starts the movie about as competent in a fight as his book equivalent, but it turns out it's because he doesn't know how to use that style of sword.
15th Aug '15 10:25:29 PM DragonQuestZ
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* [[PrettyInMink Big And Burly In Huge Fur Capes]]: These are vikings, so when they wear fur, it's half for warmth, and half to make them look even more imposing.


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* PeltsOfTheBarbarian: These are vikings, so when they wear their huge fur capes, it's half for warmth, and half to make them look even more imposing.
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