History Literature / TheRobotsOfDawn

2nd Apr '16 11:55:20 PM Omeganian
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** The trope is subverted a bit: Lije Bailey assumes that nothing but a murder would be sufficient reason to allow himself, an Earthman, onto a Spacer world. When he points out that the victim was a machine and thus 'destruction of property' he is informed that the law doesn't consider it serious either (in fact, it is stated outright that there is no case at all - the only suspect is the robot's designer, builder and owner, and people don't tend to be prosecuted for damaging their own property). However, there ''is'' a major political scandal being built around the incident.

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** The trope is subverted a bit: Lije Bailey assumes that nothing but a murder would be sufficient reason to allow himself, an Earthman, onto a Spacer world. When While he points out might be willing to see this as a murder, due to his experiences with Daneel, for the Spacers it is nothing but destruction of property; a civil court matter that the victim was cannot lead to a machine and thus 'destruction of property' he is informed that the law doesn't consider it serious either (in fact, it is stated outright that there is no case at all - punishment. Especially in this case, where the only suspect is the robot's designer, builder and owner, and owner. That is unlikely to be punished ''at all''; people don't tend to be get prosecuted for damaging their own property).''their own'' property. However, there ''is'' a major political scandal being built around the incident.
5th Jan '16 3:40:33 AM Omeganian
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* LegacyCharacter: The Chairman of the Legislature of Aurora. It is stated that, in order to represent the continuity of the office, he is '''never''' addressed except as "Mr. Chairman" officially. There might be individual holders of the office, but "The Chairman" always exists.
4th Oct '15 10:25:04 AM Omeganian
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* [[spoiler:GrandTheftPrototype]]: It turns out the entire incident with the robot's deactivation was secondary - the real plot rotated around [[spoiler:Amadiro's attempts to reverse engineer Jander.]]
13th Sep '15 4:58:02 AM Omeganian
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* StopHelpingMe: The robots (especially Giskard) want to intervene every time they think that Baley is being uncomfortable being outside. Baley think this as rather annoying and would rather accustom himself to such situations than be helped out by robots.
* UnwantedAssistance: Amadiro doesn't much care who gets hurt in his quest to populate the Galaxy with Aurora colonies indistinguishable from the original.

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* StopHelpingMe: UnwantedAssistance: The robots (especially Giskard) want to intervene every time they think that Baley is being uncomfortable being outside. Baley think this as rather annoying and would rather accustom himself to such situations than be helped out by robots.
* UnwantedAssistance: UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Amadiro doesn't much care who gets hurt in his quest to populate the Galaxy with Aurora colonies indistinguishable from the original.
13th Sep '15 4:57:12 AM Omeganian
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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: Amadiro doesn't much care who gets hurt in his quest to populate the Galaxy with Aurora colonies indistinguishable from the original.

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* UtopiaJustifiesTheMeans: UnwantedAssistance: Amadiro doesn't much care who gets hurt in his quest to populate the Galaxy with Aurora colonies indistinguishable from the original.
9th Sep '15 10:06:25 AM Omeganian
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* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: Sort of. Gladia has sex with Elijah when he is barely conscious, taking advantage of his mentally impaired state. The book even indicates that she "made" him do it. Beyond that, however, this is not treated as a rape, but rather as an affair between the two of them.


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* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: Sort of. Gladia has sex with Elijah when he is barely conscious, taking advantage of his mentally impaired state. The book even indicates that she "made" him do it. Beyond that, however, this is not treated as a rape, but rather as an affair between the two of them. It probably helps that at one point, when his mind clears up a bit, Gladia actually stops him from trying to be more active.
6th Aug '15 1:31:52 PM Omeganian
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** The trope is subverted a bit: Lije Bailey assumes that nothing but a murder would be sufficient reason to allow himself, an Earthman, onto a Spacer world. When he points out that the victim was a machine and thus 'destruction of property' he is informed that the law doesn't consider it serious either (in fact, it is stated outright that there is no case at all - the only suspuct is the robot's designer, builder and owner, and people don't tend to be prosecuted for damaging their own property) - but there are attempts to use the case for political reasons.

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** The trope is subverted a bit: Lije Bailey assumes that nothing but a murder would be sufficient reason to allow himself, an Earthman, onto a Spacer world. When he points out that the victim was a machine and thus 'destruction of property' he is informed that the law doesn't consider it serious either (in fact, it is stated outright that there is no case at all - the only suspuct suspect is the robot's designer, builder and owner, and people don't tend to be prosecuted for damaging their own property) - but property). However, there are attempts to use the case for ''is'' a major political reasons.scandal being built around the incident.


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* SabotageToDiscredit: Basically, that's the main accusation against Fastolfe, supposedly because he disapproved of certain plans for robots like Jander. He doesn't help his case by blaming a random glitch.
28th Jul '15 1:42:29 AM Omeganian
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* DoggedNiceGuy: Santirix Gremionis, first to Vasilia, then Gladia. They both reject him but remain friends with him for different reasons. [[spoiler:The sequel reveals Gladia married him and lived with him for a century and a half.]]

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* DoggedNiceGuy: Santirix Gremionis, first to Vasilia, then Gladia. They both reject him but remain friends with him for different reasons. [[spoiler:The sequel reveals Gladia married him and lived with him Gladia ended up HappilyMarried for a century and a half.]]



* MistakenForGay: Vasilia states that, while looking for reasons her father miht have rejected her advances, she briefly considered whether he preferred male company.

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* MistakenForGay: Vasilia states that, while looking for reasons her father miht might have rejected her advances, she briefly considered whether he preferred male company.
27th Jul '15 11:16:36 PM Omeganian
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** The trope is subverted a bit: Lije Bailey assumes that nothing but a murder would be sufficient reason to allow himself, an Earthman, onto a Spacer world. When he points out that the victim was a machine and thus 'destruction of property' he is informed that the law doesn't consider it serious either (in fact, it is stated outright that there is no case at all - the robot was supposedly shut down by its owner) - but there are attempts to use the case for political reasons.

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** The trope is subverted a bit: Lije Bailey assumes that nothing but a murder would be sufficient reason to allow himself, an Earthman, onto a Spacer world. When he points out that the victim was a machine and thus 'destruction of property' he is informed that the law doesn't consider it serious either (in fact, it is stated outright that there is no case at all - the robot was supposedly shut down by its owner) only suspuct is the robot's designer, builder and owner, and people don't tend to be prosecuted for damaging their own property) - but there are attempts to use the case for political reasons.



* DoggedNiceGuy: Santirix Gremionis, first to Vasilia, then Gladia. They both reject him but remain friends with him for different reasons.

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* DoggedNiceGuy: Santirix Gremionis, first to Vasilia, then Gladia. They both reject him but remain friends with him for different reasons. [[spoiler:The sequel reveals Gladia married him and lived with him for a century and a half.]]



* ForeignCuisine: Baley has trouble stomaching Auroran coffee. The rest of the time, it's subverted.
* FreeLoveFuture: Aurora is a completely sexually open society, so much that (according to Gladia), sex became pretty much boring with no emotional contact. Dr. Fastolfe insisted that she exaggerates (being a desperate woman who came from NoSexAllowed society), and in reality, sex is not taken ''that'' lightly. He, himself, is considered somewhat weird for being monogamous while married. On the other hand his 'current wife' is invisible throughout the crisis as he sees no reason to inflict his troubles on her - which pretty much shows how deep marital commitment isn't on Aurora. The fact that his refusal to have sex with his own daughter after raising her himself is seen as weird even by the doctor is another hint that things are... off there.

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* ForeignCuisine: Baley has trouble stomaching Auroran coffee. The rest coffee and some of the time, sandwiches. Some of the time it's subverted.
subverted, but Dr Fastolfe prefers to serve him meals closer to traditional Earth cuisine.
* FreeLoveFuture: Aurora is a completely sexually open society, so much that (according to Gladia), sex became pretty much boring with no emotional contact. Dr. Fastolfe insisted that she exaggerates (being a desperate woman who came from NoSexAllowed society), and in reality, sex is not taken ''that'' lightly. He, himself, is considered somewhat weird for being monogamous exclusive while married. On the other hand his 'current wife' is invisible throughout the crisis as he sees no reason to inflict his troubles on her - which pretty much shows how deep marital commitment isn't on Aurora. The fact that his refusal to have sex with his own daughter after raising her himself is seen as weird even by the doctor is another hint that things are... off there.



* MistakenForGay: Vasilia states that, while looking for reasons her father miht have rejected her advances, she briefly considered whether he preferred male company.



* SexBot: Unlike the RoboticSpouse trope, no Auroran ever raises an eyebrow upon learning Gladia used Jander as one.

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* SexBot: Unlike the RoboticSpouse trope, no Auroran ever raises an eyebrow upon learning Gladia used Jander as one. Vasilia even states outright that no normal Auroran woman would have hesitated before having sex with such a robot given the opportunity.
6th Jul '15 10:09:23 PM Omeganian
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* MythologyGag: Fastolfe refers to an incident mentioned in the ''IRobot'' books, about the robot that, through an accident, became psychic, and ended up with his brain fried when he was caught in a paradox where, whatever he did, he would harm someone. [[spoiler:Serves as a ChekhovsGun when it turns out that Giskard is actually psychic, and [[Literature/RobotsAndEmpire the next book]] states that it is because he was experimented on.]]

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* MythologyGag: Fastolfe refers to an incident mentioned in the ''IRobot'' books, about the robot that, through an accident, some glitch during the production, became psychic, and ended up with his brain fried when he was caught in a paradox where, whatever he did, he would harm someone. [[spoiler:Serves as a ChekhovsGun when it turns out that Giskard is actually psychic, and [[Literature/RobotsAndEmpire the next book]] states that it is because he was experimented on.although due to experimentation rather than construction.]]
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