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28th Dec '16 12:56:33 PM Theriocephalus
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*** Although he demonstrates abilities beyond what anyone would expect from even an old and powerful Sartan. like living for thousands of years.

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*** Although he demonstrates abilities beyond what anyone would expect from even an old and powerful Sartan. Sartan, like living for thousands of years.
17th Dec '16 9:04:12 PM McJeff
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* FightingAShadow: You can't kill the serpents permanently: if you try, they'll just re-form in a few days, twice as powerful as before.

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* FightingAShadow: You can't kill the serpents permanently: if you try, they'll just re-form in a few days, twice as powerful as before.before - although it's implied that [[spoiler:Sang-drax's death somehow stuck]].
1st Dec '16 4:13:02 PM zzedar
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*** Although he demonstrates abilities beyond what anyone would expect from even an old and powerful Sartan; like living for thousands years and escaping from a cell meant to hold Samah.

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*** Although he demonstrates abilities beyond what anyone would expect from even an old and powerful Sartan; Sartan. like living for thousands years and escaping from a cell meant to hold Samah.of years.
1st Dec '16 4:07:37 PM zzedar
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In the backstory, [[ApocalypseHow nuclear war]] devastated Planet Earth, and several new races mutated out of humanity. One was the elves, another the dwarves; but the two most powerful were humans with [[AGodAmI demigod-like]] powers: the [[WellIntentionedExtremist Sartan]] and the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Patryn]]. These two races began to war over who would rule; eventually, the Sartan secured victory by remaking the Earth into four separate worlds, one for each element, which would then work together in harmony. (That's their children's catechism quoted above.) They imprisoned the Patryn within a "correctional facility," the Labyrinth, and built Death's Gate itself as the central nexus which made the whole PortalNetwork function. It was ASimplePlan. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?

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In the backstory, [[ApocalypseHow nuclear war]] devastated Planet Earth, and several new races mutated out of humanity. One was the elves, another the dwarves; but the two most powerful were humans with [[AGodAmI demigod-like]] powers: the [[WellIntentionedExtremist Sartan]] and the [[ProudWarriorRaceGuy Patryn]]. These two races began to war over who would rule; eventually, the Sartan secured victory by remaking the Earth into four separate worlds, one for each element, which would then work together in harmony. (That's their children's catechism quoted above.) They imprisoned the Patryn within a "correctional facility," the Labyrinth, and built Death's Gate itself as the central nexus which made the whole PortalNetwork function. It was ASimplePlan. WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong?
WhatCouldPossiblyGoWrong
15th Sep '16 5:55:30 PM donkyhotay
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Jera; she was specifically mentioned to have [[spoiler: remained a lazar]] and left with Keitus at the end of Book 3 but is never mentioned again.

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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Jera; she was specifically mentioned to have [[spoiler: remained a lazar]] lazar and left with Keitus Kleitus]] at the end of Book 3 but is never mentioned again.
15th Sep '16 5:52:36 PM donkyhotay
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* WhatHappenedToTheMouse: Jera; she was specifically mentioned to have [[spoiler: remained a lazar]] and left with Keitus at the end of Book 3 but is never mentioned again.
20th Aug '16 6:31:03 PM nombretomado
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* {{Expy}}: Zifnab bears a distinct resemblance (down to the letters of his name) to Fizban from ''{{Dragonlance}}'', though the two have very different backstories and motivations.

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* {{Expy}}: Zifnab bears a distinct resemblance (down to the letters of his name) to Fizban from ''{{Dragonlance}}'', ''Literature/{{Dragonlance}}'', though the two have very different backstories and motivations.



** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]]. It's heavily implied that Zifnab [[spoiler:read the {{Dragonlance}}-novels in his youth.]]

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** [[JustifiedTrope Justified]]. It's heavily implied that Zifnab [[spoiler:read the {{Dragonlance}}-novels Literature/{{Dragonlance}}-novels in his youth.]]



* VillainsNeverLie: Sinistrad outright told his wife to be that he is evil, and that she would regret her decision to be with him. "If you marry me, you marry darkness." She thought he was being romantic and mysterious. Possibly a TakeThat at the more rabid [[{{Dragonlance}} Raistlin]]-fangirls.

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* VillainsNeverLie: Sinistrad outright told his wife to be that he is evil, and that she would regret her decision to be with him. "If you marry me, you marry darkness." She thought he was being romantic and mysterious. Possibly a TakeThat at the more rabid [[{{Dragonlance}} [[Literature/{{Dragonlance}} Raistlin]]-fangirls.
2nd Jun '16 5:16:04 PM Theriocephalus
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* WorldSUndering: A major part of the backstory. In a successful attempt at winning the magical war between themselves and the Patryn, the Sartan sundered the Earth and remade it into the four elemental worlds and the Labyrinth.

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* WorldSUndering: WorldSundering: A major part of the backstory. In a successful attempt at winning the magical war between themselves and the Patryn, the Sartan sundered the Earth and remade it into the four elemental worlds and the Labyrinth.
2nd Jun '16 5:14:35 PM Theriocephalus
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* AbusivePrecursors: The Sartan had definite shades of this -- at the very least, their opinion of the [[{{Muggles}} mensch races]] was low enough that they had no real issues with killing untold millions of them when they sundered the Earth. Not that the Patron would have been any better, mind.

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* AbusivePrecursors: The Sartan had definite shades of this -- at the very least, their opinion of the [[{{Muggles}} mensch races]] was low enough that they had no real issues with killing untold millions of them when they sundered the Earth. Not that the Patron Patryn would have been any better, mind.
2nd Jun '16 5:14:12 PM Theriocephalus
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* BadassNormal: Hugh the Hand- even cursed, he's the one mensch Badass enough [[spoiler: to survive the Labyrinth]]

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* BadassNormal: Hugh the Hand- Hand -- even cursed, he's the one mensch Badass enough [[spoiler: to survive the Labyrinth]]



** In any case, the true elves of this setting are the Sartans and the Patryns, who really don't like mere mortals arguing with them, but it's made pretty clear that they ''should'' - both have major faults they refuse to acknowledge.

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** In any case, the true elves of this setting are the Sartans and the Patryns, who really don't like mere mortals arguing with them, but it's made pretty clear that they ''should'' - -- both have major faults they refuse to acknowledge.



* CharmPerson: Bane was given an enchantment by Sinistrad that makes everyone dote on him. Not love him - there's a significant difference between the two that becomes a minor plot point.

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* CharmPerson: Bane was given an enchantment by Sinistrad that makes everyone dote on him. Not love him - -- there's a significant difference between the two that becomes a minor plot point.



* PreciousPuppies: Why Dog is, well, a dog, [[spoiler:given that he's actually a familiar of Haplo's]].



** Patryns' true names have power too, but they generally don't have to worry about this form of attack, as their spoken names are just approximations of their ''real'' names- the runes tattooed over their hearts, which they only let those who are close to them read. This does lead to another form of AchillesHeel, though, because if the "heart-rune" is attacked or damage, a Patryn's whole magical essence will begin to unravel.

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** Patryns' true names have power too, but they generally don't have to worry about this form of attack, as their spoken names are just approximations of their ''real'' names- names -- the runes tattooed over their hearts, which they only let those who are close to them read. This does lead to another form of AchillesHeel, though, because if the "heart-rune" is attacked or damage, a Patryn's whole magical essence will begin to unravel.



* IneptMage: Alfred has the distinction of being an inept mage with a tremendous amount of raw talent- he's inadvertatnly ''raised the dead'' and ''turned himself into a dragon''. Haplo at one point remarks that Alfred's only talents are raising the dead [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and tailoring]].

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* IneptMage: Alfred has the distinction of being an inept mage with a tremendous amount of raw talent- talent -- he's inadvertatnly ''raised the dead'' and ''turned himself into a dragon''. Haplo at one point remarks that Alfred's only talents are raising the dead [[ArsonMurderAndJaywalking and tailoring]].



** Ironically, their magic systems reverse this trend- Sartan magic is much more spiritual and mystical and is treated as an art, while Patryn magic is incredibly structured and treated like a science.

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** Ironically, their magic systems reverse this trend- trend -- Sartan magic is much more spiritual and mystical and is treated as an art, while Patryn magic is incredibly structured and treated like a science.



* PreciousPuppies: Why Dog is, well, a dog, [[spoiler:given that he's actually a familiar of Haplo's]].



* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Patryns can be quite brutal and ruthless enemies, but they take great pride in their cultural identitity and combat skills, and follow an uncompromising code of honor- [[DoubleStandard at least among each other]]. Several of the mensch cultures also qualify.

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* ProudWarriorRaceGuy: The Patryns can be quite brutal and ruthless enemies, but they take great pride in their cultural identitity and combat skills, and follow an uncompromising code of honor- honor -- [[DoubleStandard at least among each other]]. Several of the mensch cultures also qualify.



* TheUndead: Two basic kinds. The first, just called "cadavers", are semi-sentient and can be trained to do simple tasks (and complex ones if they have an overseer). A corpse raied too quickly, however, becomes a Lazar- its soul hasn't had time to fully depart, and the resulting creature is completely sentient and quite insane. [[spoiler: There's also Hugh the Hand, who was turned into an undead by Alfred's improvising and is apparently unique]].

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* TheUndead: Two basic kinds. The first, just called "cadavers", are semi-sentient and can be trained to do simple tasks (and complex ones if they have an overseer). A corpse raied too quickly, however, becomes a Lazar- Lazar -- its soul hasn't had time to fully depart, and the resulting creature is completely sentient and quite insane. [[spoiler: There's also Hugh the Hand, who was turned into an undead by Alfred's improvising and is apparently unique]].
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