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12th Sep '15 11:48:03 PM nombretomado
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''Snow'' earned its writer a well-deserved NobelPrizeInLiterature. It offers a fascinating look at the contradictions and concerns of modern Turkey. Though the author's sympathies are more with the Westernized, secular Turks, he shows that the Islamists have a legitimate grievances, and that the Turkish government has more than its share of dark secrets (Pamuk himself is rather unpopular in Turkey due to his criticisms of the governments treatments of the Kurdish ethnic minority; he currently resides in the United States).

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''Snow'' earned its writer a well-deserved NobelPrizeInLiterature.UsefulNotes/NobelPrizeInLiterature. It offers a fascinating look at the contradictions and concerns of modern Turkey. Though the author's sympathies are more with the Westernized, secular Turks, he shows that the Islamists have a legitimate grievances, and that the Turkish government has more than its share of dark secrets (Pamuk himself is rather unpopular in Turkey due to his criticisms of the governments treatments of the Kurdish ethnic minority; he currently resides in the United States).
1st Aug '12 7:14:05 AM LordGro
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''Snow'' earned its writer a well-deserved Nobel Prize in literature. It offers a fascinating look at the contradictions and concerns of modern Turkey. Though the author's sympathies are more with the Westernized, secular Turks, he shows that the Islamists have a legitimate grievances, and that the Turkish government has more than its share of dark secrets (Pamuk himself is rather unpopular in Turkey due to his criticisms of the governments treatments of the Kurdish ethnic minority; he currently resides in the United States).

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''Snow'' earned its writer a well-deserved Nobel Prize in literature.NobelPrizeInLiterature. It offers a fascinating look at the contradictions and concerns of modern Turkey. Though the author's sympathies are more with the Westernized, secular Turks, he shows that the Islamists have a legitimate grievances, and that the Turkish government has more than its share of dark secrets (Pamuk himself is rather unpopular in Turkey due to his criticisms of the governments treatments of the Kurdish ethnic minority; he currently resides in the United States).
22nd Jun '12 5:31:28 PM Destron
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''No one here likes Ka these days.''

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''No ->''No one here likes Ka these days.''
22nd Jun '12 5:30:43 PM Destron
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** [[spoiler:"...but intellectuals like you, you never have the faintest idea, and that makes me sick. You say you want democracy, and then you enter into alliances with Islamic fundamentalists. You say you want human rights, and then you make deals with terrorist murderers. You say Europe is the answer, but then you go around buttering up Islamists who hate everything Europe stands for. You say feminism, and then you help these men wrap their women's heads. You don't follow your own conscience; you just guess what a European would do in the same situation and act accordingly. But you can't even be a proper European... As for people ilk you, you love to trash the army even while you depend on it to keep the Islamists from cutting you up into little pieces. But you know all this already. That's why I'm not going to torture you."]]

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** [[spoiler:"...but intellectuals like you, you never have the faintest idea, and that makes me sick. You say you want democracy, and then you enter into alliances with Islamic fundamentalists. You say you want human rights, and then you make deals with terrorist murderers. You say Europe is the answer, but then you go around buttering up Islamists who hate everything Europe stands for. You say feminism, and then you help these men wrap their women's heads. You don't follow your own conscience; you just guess what a European would do in the same situation and act accordingly. But you can't even be a proper European... As for people ilk like you, you love to trash the army even while you depend on it to keep the Islamists from cutting you up into little pieces. But you know all this already. That's why I'm not going to torture you."]]
22nd Jun '12 5:30:00 PM Destron
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Pamuk also wrote ''Literature/MyNameIsRed'', which offers a similarly panoramic sweep of Turkey under the Ottomans.
22nd Jun '12 4:14:54 PM Destron
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* UnrequietedLoveLastsForever: [[spoiler:Ka for İpek, and Necip for Kadife]].

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* UnrequietedLoveLastsForever: UnrequitedLoveLastsForever: [[spoiler:Ka for İpek, and Necip for Kadife]].
22nd Jun '12 4:14:19 PM Destron
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* GloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: This is probably too reductive a term for it, but İpek and Kadife's relationship shows shades of this. [[spoiler:Both were romantically involved with the Islamist Blue]].

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* GloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: FictionalDocument: ''Snow'' is the name of Ka's poetry collection that he writes while in Kars. This is probably too reductive a term for it, but İpek and Kadife's relationship shows shades of this. [[spoiler:Both were romantically involved with turns out to be why the Islamist Blue]].narrator (a fictionalized Pamuk) names the novel ''Snow''.


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* LiteraryAgentHypothesis: At first, ''Snow'' seems like it's told from a standard third-person perspective. As it goes on, however, it becomes apparent that the narrator is Ka's friend, [[spoiler:investigating his death]]! Eventually, it turns out that the narrator is none other than Orham Pamuk himself!


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* TheGloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: This is probably too reductive a term for it, but İpek and Kadife's relationship shows shades of this. [[spoiler:Both were romantically involved with the Islamist Blue]].
22nd Jun '12 4:11:01 PM Destron
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* DemocracyIsFlawed: Examines some of the problems in Turkish democracy, such as the headscarf issue. How can it be seen as democratic to forbid people from religiously expressing themselves? This fundamental contradiction is a big part of the novel (it's worth noting that the Turkish headscarf ban has been lifted after the Islamist AK Party came to power). There is also the persecution of the Kurds, and the denial of the Armenian Genocide.
* GloriousWarOfSisterlyRivalry: This is probably too reductive a term for it, but İpek and Kadife's relationship shows shades of this. [[spoiler:Both were romantically involved with the Islamist Blue]].
* GoalInLife: Necip's goal is to be the world's first Islamist science-fiction writer. [[spoiler:After he dies, his friend Fazil writes and publishes the manuscript, crediting Necip]].
* HeterosexualLifePartners: Necip and Fazil.



* MajoredInWesternHypocrisy: Many of the characters comment on the awkward position of Westernized Turks. They embrace liberalism, and thus criticize the government (which sees itself—with at least some justification—as the protector of liberal government). The Islamists hate them for being irreligious. In general, there's a feeling that the Westernized Turks are sycophants, caring only about how Europeans think of them, without realizing that the Europeans generally hold Turks in contempt. The novel says there is some truth to this, without saying that the Westernized Turks are completely wrong.
* PatrioticFervor: Sunay Zaim engages in this.
* PoliceState: Turkey has shades of this in the novel, and perhaps in reality as well.



* RedScare: The novel references the persecution of communists in the past, and makes it an integral part of Ka's backstory. He and most of his friends were leftists back in the '70s and '80s, and Ka's political affiliations forced him to flee to Germany. By the time of the novel, most of the surviving communists are embittered old men, or (like Ka) have abandoned their beliefs. Several, like Muhtar, joined the Islamists (the Islamists are described as appealing since it gives them an excuse to continue hating the Turkish state). Quite a few are dead.
* RegimeChange: A somewhat farcical (though still brutal) example is seen in the localized coup.



* UnrequietedLoveLastsForever: [[spoiler:Ka for İpek, and Necip for Kadife]].

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* UnrequietedLoveLastsForever: [[spoiler:Ka for İpek, and Necip for Kadife]].Kadife]].
* YourTerroristsAreOurFreedomFighters: A big theme of the novel. Both the Islamists and the government see each other as terrorist, and both have some justification for this stance.
22nd Jun '12 3:53:37 PM Destron
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* ColdBloodedTorture: This is always on the table as a form of punishment or interrogation. Nobody seems to consider it remarkable, much like the characters in Pamuk's ''Literature/MyNameIsRed''.
* LoveMakesYouCrazy: Ka, to some extent.



* ReincarnationRomance: [[spoiler:Possibly the case, if Fazil is right about Necip's soul migrating to his body after Necip's death. Fazil ends up marrying Kadife by the end of the novel]].
* SecretPolice: The MİT, which is the RL Turkish intelligence agency.



* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: A Turkish special forces operative named Z Demirkol delivers a pretty stinging on to Ka.
** [[spoiler:"...but intellectuals like you, you never have the faintest idea, and that makes me sick. You say you want democracy, and then you enter into alliances with Islamic fundamentalists. You say you want human rights, and then you make deals with terrorist murderers. You say Europe is the answer, but then you go around buttering up Islamists who hate everything Europe stands for. You say feminism, and then you help these men wrap their women's heads. You don't follow your own conscience; you just guess what a European would do in the same situation and act accordingly. But you can't even be a proper European... As for people ilk you, you love to trash the army even while you depend on it to keep the Islamists from cutting you up into little pieces. But you know all this already. That's why I'm not going to torture you."]]

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* TheFundamentalist: Many of the characters see the Islamists as these. To some extent, the Islamists consider themselves to fit the bill. The reality is, however, more complicated, and they often have a variety of messy and contradictory personal motivations for their beliefs.
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: A Turkish special forces operative named Z Demirkol delivers a pretty stinging on one to Ka.
** [[spoiler:"...but intellectuals like you, you never have the faintest idea, and that makes me sick. You say you want democracy, and then you enter into alliances with Islamic fundamentalists. You say you want human rights, and then you make deals with terrorist murderers. You say Europe is the answer, but then you go around buttering up Islamists who hate everything Europe stands for. You say feminism, and then you help these men wrap their women's heads. You don't follow your own conscience; you just guess what a European would do in the same situation and act accordingly. But you can't even be a proper European... As for people ilk you, you love to trash the army even while you depend on it to keep the Islamists from cutting you up into little pieces. But you know all this already. That's why I'm not going to torture you."]]"]]
** That said, the intellectuals have legitimate beefs about Turkey's problems. It's important to know that just about every character and faction contradicts itself in at least a few ways.
* UnrequietedLoveLastsForever: [[spoiler:Ka for İpek, and Necip for Kadife]].
22nd Jun '12 3:40:08 PM Destron
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''Snow'' earned its writer a well-deserved Nobel Prize in literature. It offers a fascinating look at the contradictions and concerns of modern Turkey. Though the author's sympathies are more with the Westernized, secular Turks, he shows that the Islamists have a legitimate grievances, and that the Turkish government has more than its share of dark secrets (Pamuk himself is rather unpopular in Turkey due to his criticisms of the governments treatments of the Kurdish ethnic minority; he currently resides in the United States).

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''Snow'' earned its writer a well-deserved Nobel Prize in literature. It offers a fascinating look at the contradictions and concerns of modern Turkey. Though the author's sympathies are more with the Westernized, secular Turks, he shows that the Islamists have a legitimate grievances, and that the Turkish government has more than its share of dark secrets (Pamuk himself is rather unpopular in Turkey due to his criticisms of the governments treatments of the Kurdish ethnic minority; he currently resides in the United States).States).

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!!The novel provides examples of the following tropes:

* CatchTheConscience: Sunay Zaim's performance of ''My Fatherland or My Scarf'' seems to be this. [[spoiler:It is, but is more importantly an excuse to launch a strange, localized secular coups in order to stop the encroach of Islamism, and also to secure Zaim's place in the pantheon of Turkish dramatic artists]]. A later example is his heavily altered version of Thomas Kyd's ''The Spanish Tragedy''.
* CloudCuckooLander: Ka sometimes comes across as this, due to his deep introversion and poetic nature.
* RealLifeWritesThePlot: Pamuk was inspired by the tragic real-life suicides of religious girls in the town of Batman, also in eastern Turky (and mentioned a few times in the novel).
* SoapWithinAShow: Many of Kars' residents enjoy ''Marianna'', a Mexican telenovela. The characters' comments on ''Marianna'' serve to demonstrate some of their views of gender relations. In RL, Latin American soaps are popular in parts of the Middle East.
* TheReasonYouSuckSpeech: A Turkish special forces operative named Z Demirkol delivers a pretty stinging on to Ka.
** [[spoiler:"...but intellectuals like you, you never have the faintest idea, and that makes me sick. You say you want democracy, and then you enter into alliances with Islamic fundamentalists. You say you want human rights, and then you make deals with terrorist murderers. You say Europe is the answer, but then you go around buttering up Islamists who hate everything Europe stands for. You say feminism, and then you help these men wrap their women's heads. You don't follow your own conscience; you just guess what a European would do in the same situation and act accordingly. But you can't even be a proper European... As for people ilk you, you love to trash the army even while you depend on it to keep the Islamists from cutting you up into little pieces. But you know all this already. That's why I'm not going to torture you."]]
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