History Literature / SixteenThirtyTwo

14th Apr '18 10:19:10 PM redandready45
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* NormalFishInATinyPond: The small Appalachian Mining Town from the late 20th century becomes mighty force in 17th century Europe.
19th Mar '18 10:13:24 AM Nohbody
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* FourOneNineScam: * In one of the ''Grantville Gazette'' short stories, this scam is applied against members of minor nobility by some who were familiar with it from uptime 20th century literature, with said nobility being too concerned about their reputation to try to assist catching the perpetrator.



* GoingNative: The Abrabanel family are the most notable locals to go native in Grantville and the Richters (especially Gretchen) the most fanatical. Numerous other downtimers do. For their part the uptimers adopt a number of local customs. And of course they adapt very successfully to [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority the basics of seventeenth century political discourse.]]

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* GoingNative: GoingNative:
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The Abrabanel family are the most notable locals to go native in Grantville and the Richters (especially Gretchen) the most fanatical. Numerous other downtimers do. For their part the uptimers adopt a number of local customs. And of course they adapt very successfully to [[AsskickingEqualsAuthority the basics of seventeenth century political discourse.]]



* GroinAttack: An especially nasty one from the very first novel; a Croat soldier takes a ''point blank sawed-off shotgun blast'' to the testicles, with a detailed description of the shot's path.
** In "A Filthy Story," TheNeidermeyer is emasculated by an ax to the groin; the ax-wielder gets latrine duty because it was a genuine accident (he confides he was trying to kill the man, but slipped).
* GunsAkimbo: Subverted in the climactic scene of ''1632'' where Sheriff Dan Frost decides to be more professional about it than trying to re-enact union legend about Matewan. [[spoiler: It doesn't make him any less awesome.]]

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* GroinAttack: GroinAttack:
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An especially nasty one from the very first novel; a Croat soldier takes a ''point blank sawed-off shotgun blast'' to the testicles, with a detailed description of the shot's path.
** In "A Filthy Story," TheNeidermeyer is emasculated by an ax to the groin; the ax-wielder gets latrine duty because it was a genuine accident (he confides he was trying to kill the man, but slipped).
slipped), with the punishment being because the perpetrator laughed at the officer afterward.
* GunsAkimbo: Subverted in the climactic scene of ''1632'' where Sheriff Dan Frost decides to be more professional about it than trying to re-enact union legend about the big shootout between union men and company enforcers at Matewan. [[spoiler: It doesn't make him any less awesome.]]



** An attack on the Pope from a horde of assassins [[spoiler:sent by Spanish Cardinal Borja]] is fended off [[spoiler:by George Sutherland]], at the cost of the defender's life..

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** An attack on the Pope from a horde of assassins [[spoiler:sent by Spanish Cardinal Borja]] is fended off [[spoiler:by George Sutherland]], at the cost of the defender's life..life.
18th Mar '18 12:11:48 PM Malady
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** Eddie Cantrell ends up marrying the oldest daughter of King Christian IV of Denmark when he's caught with her after two and half days of ThisAndThat in a prototype Danish submarine ([[ItMakesSenseInContext long story]]). The trope itself is even referenced by name. [[spoiler:Although, it's made clear later that the situation [[TheChessMaster was engineered]] by the Danish royal family so they'd end up with a son-in-law who's not only a distinguished naval hero but also a technical wizard with knowledge of uptime technology]].

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** Eddie Cantrell ends up marrying the oldest daughter of King Christian IV of Denmark when he's caught with her after two and half days of ThisAndThat sex in a prototype Danish submarine ([[ItMakesSenseInContext long story]]). The trope itself is even referenced by name.story]]). [[spoiler:Although, it's made clear later that the situation [[TheChessMaster was engineered]] by the Danish royal family so they'd end up with a son-in-law who's not only a distinguished naval hero but also a technical wizard with knowledge of uptime technology]].
29th Dec '17 10:48:04 AM nombretomado
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** When Eddie Cantrell finally gets his serial number, it's [[Franchise/JamesBond 007]]. He proceeds to feed the king of Denmark all kinds of misinformation, including claiming that one of Grantville's best engineers is ElvisPresley. This comes back to bite him when the king starts reading his up-time encyclopedia, a more modern edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica than the 1911 edition that Eddie assumed he would have because it was more useful for building up from a 17th century tech level.

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** When Eddie Cantrell finally gets his serial number, it's [[Franchise/JamesBond 007]]. He proceeds to feed the king of Denmark all kinds of misinformation, including claiming that one of Grantville's best engineers is ElvisPresley.Music/ElvisPresley. This comes back to bite him when the king starts reading his up-time encyclopedia, a more modern edition of the Encyclopaedia Britannica than the 1911 edition that Eddie assumed he would have because it was more useful for building up from a 17th century tech level.
15th Dec '17 7:38:32 AM JoieDeCombat
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* EccentricArtist: In ''The Baltic War,'' Rubens takes advantage of his reputation as such, as mentioned when he and Scaglia discuss how strangely peaceful the "siege" of Amsterdam has become:
->'''Scaglia:''' Dear God, what a preposterous siege this has turned into. The chief diplomat for the besiegers setting up his domicile in the city besieged. What's that American expression? Charles V must be spinning in his grave.\\
'''Rubens:''' There are some precedents, actually. Not many, I admit. But that's always the advantage of being an ''artist'', you know. People are willing to label my behavior as 'eccentric' when they need to look the other way.
14th Nov '17 7:13:18 PM Teakay
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* PercussivePrevention: In 1635: The Papal Stakes, when Cardinal Borja's forces are besieging the Castel Gandolfo, the Pope expresses his intention to stay and be killed in order to prevent a schism in the Catholic Church. Harry Lefferts punches him in the jaw and hauls him bodily out the postern gate.

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* PercussivePrevention: PercussivePrevention:
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In 1635: ''1634: The Baltic War'', Tom Simpson punches out Archbishop Laud of Canterbury to facilitate his rescue from the Tower of London.
** In ''1635:
The Papal Stakes, Stakes'', when Cardinal Borja's forces are besieging the Castel Gandolfo, the Pope expresses his intention to stay and be killed in order to prevent a schism in the Catholic Church. Harry Lefferts punches him in the jaw and hauls him bodily out the postern gate.
14th Nov '17 7:01:43 PM Teakay
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** In ''1632'', Wilhelm of Hesse-Kassel's name is Anglicized as William, presumably to avoid confusion with Wilhelm of Saxe-Weimar, who is introduced in the same scene. This was dropped in subsequent books.
9th Oct '17 10:41:48 AM DarkPhoenix94
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Cromwell is given something of an upgrade in the series. He was not a particularly pleasant person, even by the standards of the time. While he wasn't as vile as the Irish-American Daryl [=McCarthy=] sees him, he was probably closer to it than to his fairly heroic portrayal in the series.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Cromwell is given something of an upgrade in the series. He series, one he most probably didn't deserve - he was not ''not'' a particularly pleasant person, even by the standards of the time. time, despite the attempts of the series to gloss over his atrocities. While he wasn't as vile as the Irish-American Daryl [=McCarthy=] sees him, he was probably it's a great deal closer to it reality than to his fairly heroic portrayal in the series.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Discussed in ''1633,'' in which Tom Simpson gives a lecture to a staunch Irish-American who loathes Oliver Cromwell as a one-dimensional Irish-oppressor and is previously established to have Failed History Forever. To make it worse for the Irish-American in question, the history teacher who failed him -- none other than Melissa "Schoolmarm from Hell" Mailey -- describes his failures in gleeful and exhaustive detail.
* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: The series is set so far in the past that no characters will ever get to see it, but Mike Stearns and Gustav Adolph both state that a goal of theirs is to prevent the world wars of the 20th century. If Germany can be unified more or less peacefully in the 1600s, the hope is, it won't have aggressive, racist policies when the 20th century comes. (Realistically, the first book alone threw sufficient [[SpannerInTheWorks spanners in the works]] to ensure that WWI and WWII wouldn't happen the way we remember, and bringing 20th-century science into the 17th century might start wars ''early'' for all we know, but the hope is that democratizing and liberalizing earlier will make things better.)\\
Pretty much every character on every side tries to avert the world wars, even the villainous Cardinal Richelieu is mainly motivated by his theory that Grantville is a warning message that the excesses of democratization led to the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century, (he specifically brings up Hitler in a discussion with Rebecca), and that he can avert them by arming a strong, stable aristocracy with up-time technology.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Discussed in ''1633,'' in which Tom Simpson gives a lecture to Daryl, a staunch Irish-American who loathes Oliver Cromwell as a one-dimensional Irish-oppressor and is previously established to have Failed History Forever. To make it worse for the Irish-American in question, the history teacher who failed him -- none other than Melissa "Schoolmarm from Hell" Mailey -- describes his failures in gleeful and exhaustive detail.
** That said, despite Cromwell's HistoricalHeroUpgrade in the series, the historical consensus is that the real man - definitely not pleasant, even by the standards of his time - was probably a great deal closer to Daryl's perception than he was to his largely heroic depiction.
* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: The series is set so far in the past that no characters will ever get to see it, but Mike Stearns and Gustav Adolph both state that a goal of theirs is to prevent the world wars of the 20th century. If Germany can be unified more or less peacefully in the 1600s, the hope is, it won't have aggressive, racist policies when the 20th century comes. (Realistically, the first book alone threw sufficient [[SpannerInTheWorks spanners in the works]] to ensure that WWI and WWII wouldn't happen the way we remember, and bringing 20th-century science into the 17th century might start wars ''early'' for all we know, but the hope is that democratizing and liberalizing earlier will make things better.)\\
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Pretty much every character on every side tries to avert the world wars, even the villainous Cardinal Richelieu is mainly motivated by his theory that Grantville is a warning message that the excesses of democratization led to the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century, (he specifically brings up Hitler in a discussion with Rebecca), and that he can avert them by arming a strong, stable aristocracy with up-time technology.
22nd Sep '17 8:26:07 PM Malady
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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization, the Fta Tei, [[spoiler:a descendant of humanity, not that they knew that]], exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous stern warnings to cease their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.

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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization, the Fta Tei, [[spoiler:a descendant of humanity, not that they "[[https://www.baen.com/Chapters/0671578499/0671578499.htm [they] knew that]], nothing of their origins on a distant planet once called Earth, much less a minor disaster which had occurred there. [They] exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous simply because, after many stern warnings to cease warnings, they persisted in practicing their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.art.]]"



* SignificantAnagram:
** Assiti is "As it is": "a location is picked up whole and dropped in another time, with only the resources they would have on hand—As It Is—to survive."
** Aft Tei, might be one, the most likely meaning is "It Fate"...



* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Overall Type II. The initial PointOfDivergence is AlienSpaceBats material, but everything following the Ring of Fire never goes bellow Type III, with those being minor tweaks which are justified/handwaved by it technically being an alternate universe rather than straight time travel, and the majority of the events/characterization flowing naturally from the given changes.

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* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Overall Type II. The initial PointOfDivergence is AlienSpaceBats material, but everything following the Ring of Fire never goes bellow below Type III, with those being minor tweaks which are justified/handwaved by it technically being an alternate universe rather than straight time travel, and the majority of the events/characterization flowing naturally from the given changes.
22nd Sep '17 8:06:06 PM Malady
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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous stern warnings to cease their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.

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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization civilization, the Fta Tei, [[spoiler:a descendant of humanity, not that they knew that]], exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous stern warnings to cease their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.
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