History Literature / SixteenThirtyTwo

14th Nov '17 7:13:18 PM Teakay
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* PercussivePrevention: In 1635: The Papal Stakes, when Cardinal Borja's forces are besieging the Castel Gandolfo, the Pope expresses his intention to stay and be killed in order to prevent a schism in the Catholic Church. Harry Lefferts punches him in the jaw and hauls him bodily out the postern gate.

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* PercussivePrevention: PercussivePrevention:
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In 1635: ''1634: The Baltic War'', Tom Simpson punches out Archbishop Laud of Canterbury to facilitate his rescue from the Tower of London.
** In ''1635:
The Papal Stakes, Stakes'', when Cardinal Borja's forces are besieging the Castel Gandolfo, the Pope expresses his intention to stay and be killed in order to prevent a schism in the Catholic Church. Harry Lefferts punches him in the jaw and hauls him bodily out the postern gate.
14th Nov '17 7:01:43 PM Teakay
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** In ''1632'', Wilhelm of Hesse-Kassel's name is Anglicized as William, presumably to avoid confusion with Wilhelm of Saxe-Weimar, who is introduced in the same scene. This was dropped in subsequent books.
9th Oct '17 10:41:48 AM DarkPhoenix94
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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Cromwell is given something of an upgrade in the series. He was not a particularly pleasant person, even by the standards of the time. While he wasn't as vile as the Irish-American Daryl [=McCarthy=] sees him, he was probably closer to it than to his fairly heroic portrayal in the series.

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* HistoricalHeroUpgrade: Cromwell is given something of an upgrade in the series. He series, one he most probably didn't deserve - he was not ''not'' a particularly pleasant person, even by the standards of the time. time, despite the attempts of the series to gloss over his atrocities. While he wasn't as vile as the Irish-American Daryl [=McCarthy=] sees him, he was probably it's a great deal closer to it reality than to his fairly heroic portrayal in the series.



* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Discussed in ''1633,'' in which Tom Simpson gives a lecture to a staunch Irish-American who loathes Oliver Cromwell as a one-dimensional Irish-oppressor and is previously established to have Failed History Forever. To make it worse for the Irish-American in question, the history teacher who failed him -- none other than Melissa "Schoolmarm from Hell" Mailey -- describes his failures in gleeful and exhaustive detail.
* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: The series is set so far in the past that no characters will ever get to see it, but Mike Stearns and Gustav Adolph both state that a goal of theirs is to prevent the world wars of the 20th century. If Germany can be unified more or less peacefully in the 1600s, the hope is, it won't have aggressive, racist policies when the 20th century comes. (Realistically, the first book alone threw sufficient [[SpannerInTheWorks spanners in the works]] to ensure that WWI and WWII wouldn't happen the way we remember, and bringing 20th-century science into the 17th century might start wars ''early'' for all we know, but the hope is that democratizing and liberalizing earlier will make things better.)\\
Pretty much every character on every side tries to avert the world wars, even the villainous Cardinal Richelieu is mainly motivated by his theory that Grantville is a warning message that the excesses of democratization led to the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century, (he specifically brings up Hitler in a discussion with Rebecca), and that he can avert them by arming a strong, stable aristocracy with up-time technology.

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* HistoricalVillainUpgrade: Discussed in ''1633,'' in which Tom Simpson gives a lecture to Daryl, a staunch Irish-American who loathes Oliver Cromwell as a one-dimensional Irish-oppressor and is previously established to have Failed History Forever. To make it worse for the Irish-American in question, the history teacher who failed him -- none other than Melissa "Schoolmarm from Hell" Mailey -- describes his failures in gleeful and exhaustive detail.
** That said, despite Cromwell's HistoricalHeroUpgrade in the series, the historical consensus is that the real man - definitely not pleasant, even by the standards of his time - was probably a great deal closer to Daryl's perception than he was to his largely heroic depiction.
* HitlersTimeTravelExemptionAct: The series is set so far in the past that no characters will ever get to see it, but Mike Stearns and Gustav Adolph both state that a goal of theirs is to prevent the world wars of the 20th century. If Germany can be unified more or less peacefully in the 1600s, the hope is, it won't have aggressive, racist policies when the 20th century comes. (Realistically, the first book alone threw sufficient [[SpannerInTheWorks spanners in the works]] to ensure that WWI and WWII wouldn't happen the way we remember, and bringing 20th-century science into the 17th century might start wars ''early'' for all we know, but the hope is that democratizing and liberalizing earlier will make things better.)\\
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Pretty much every character on every side tries to avert the world wars, even the villainous Cardinal Richelieu is mainly motivated by his theory that Grantville is a warning message that the excesses of democratization led to the totalitarian horrors of the 20th century, (he specifically brings up Hitler in a discussion with Rebecca), and that he can avert them by arming a strong, stable aristocracy with up-time technology.
22nd Sep '17 8:26:07 PM Malady
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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization, the Fta Tei, [[spoiler:a descendant of humanity, not that they knew that]], exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous stern warnings to cease their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.

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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization, the Fta Tei, [[spoiler:a descendant of humanity, not that they "[[https://www.baen.com/Chapters/0671578499/0671578499.htm [they] knew that]], nothing of their origins on a distant planet once called Earth, much less a minor disaster which had occurred there. [They] exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous simply because, after many stern warnings to cease warnings, they persisted in practicing their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.art.]]"



* SignificantAnagram:
** Assiti is "As it is": "a location is picked up whole and dropped in another time, with only the resources they would have on hand—As It Is—to survive."
** Aft Tei, might be one, the most likely meaning is "It Fate"...



* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Overall Type II. The initial PointOfDivergence is AlienSpaceBats material, but everything following the Ring of Fire never goes bellow Type III, with those being minor tweaks which are justified/handwaved by it technically being an alternate universe rather than straight time travel, and the majority of the events/characterization flowing naturally from the given changes.

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* SlidingScaleOfAlternateHistoryPlausibility: Overall Type II. The initial PointOfDivergence is AlienSpaceBats material, but everything following the Ring of Fire never goes bellow below Type III, with those being minor tweaks which are justified/handwaved by it technically being an alternate universe rather than straight time travel, and the majority of the events/characterization flowing naturally from the given changes.
22nd Sep '17 8:06:06 PM Malady
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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous stern warnings to cease their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.

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* RealityWarpingIsNotAToy: And the Assiti, the aliens that the prologue states caused this, who we will probably never hear from again, they learn this lesson the hard way. Another civilization civilization, the Fta Tei, [[spoiler:a descendant of humanity, not that they knew that]], exterminated them after the Assiti had disregarded numerous stern warnings to cease their dangerous and irresponsible 'art'.
20th Sep '17 12:17:19 PM RoseAndHeather
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** Tom Stone, an aged hippie who only studied pharmacology so he could make LSD, starts making Europe's only bright, waterproof dyes, turning him into a captain of industry and one of the three or four wealthiest people in Europe. The irony being that he has zero interest in money and only started the company to get his fiancé's father to agree to their marriage.

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** Tom Stone, an aged hippie who only studied pharmacology so he could make LSD, starts making Europe's only bright, waterproof dyes, turning him into a captain of industry and one of the three or four wealthiest people in Europe. The irony being that he has zero interest in money and only started the company to get his fiancé's fiancée's father to agree to their marriage.



** [[spoiler:the Barbies]] become so successful in business that their efforts to revitalize the economy of Vienna escalate to the point where some observers claimed that they had ''bought Austria'', and they weren't entirely wrong.

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** [[spoiler:the [[spoiler:The Barbies]] become so successful in business that their efforts to revitalize the economy of Vienna escalate to the point where some observers claimed that they had ''bought Austria'', and they weren't entirely wrong.
20th Sep '17 8:24:56 AM tromag
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** Tom Stone is an aged hippie who has turned a Masters degree in chemistry he got to be able to make LSD towards making Europe's only bright, waterproof dyes, making him a captain of industry and one of the three or four wealthiest people in Europe.

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** Tom Stone is Stone, an aged hippie who has turned a Masters degree in chemistry only studied pharmacology so he got to be able to could make LSD towards LSD, starts making Europe's only bright, waterproof dyes, making turning him into a captain of industry and one of the three or four wealthiest people in Europe.Europe. The irony being that he has zero interest in money and only started the company to get his fiancé's father to agree to their marriage.
20th Sep '17 8:18:15 AM tromag
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** Anders Jonsson, Gustav's bodyguard, has the unenviable job of protecting him in battle. When Gustav is knocked unconscious, Jonsson is gored by a lance trying to protect him, then, while bleeding to death, guns down attackers until he runs out of ammunition. ''Then'', he literally covers the emperor with his own body, getting skewered with one final lance but saving Gustav's life.
5th Aug '17 7:23:00 AM Bissek
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* WorthlessForeignDegree: Thanks to a 350 year knowledge gap, most downtimer degrees are considered less prestigious than a GED from Grantville High.
9th Jul '17 2:26:23 PM Bissek
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* BodyDouble: Maria Anna considers switching places with her maid as part of her plan to escape her marriage to Maximillian. This quickly gets discarded as she considers the two women in her household she is trusting with her plans - one of them is thirty years older than she is, and the other is a good eight inches too short to convincingly take her place.
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