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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[CharlesDarwin [[UsefulNotes/CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
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* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient ''hotel''.
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* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient ''hotel''. These aren't leftovers from when humans were still around: both transports and hotel are explicitly designed for the robot population.
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* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient *hotel*.
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* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient *hotel*.''hotel''.
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* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless.
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* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless.pointless -- though for some reason, the majority of the robot population is capable of having and enjoying sex anyways. It's not just the humaniforms; interplanetary transports provide "internal massages" to their passengers, both to pass the time and to pad them against acceleration, but probably the most questionable example is when Freya has sex with a sentient *hotel*.
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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
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* FlatEarthAtheist: Most robots, based on design schematics and such, believe that they were created by human beings. A few, however, believe in [[StrawmanPolitical the holy doctrine of Evolution]], and its prophets [[CharlesDarwin Darwin]], [[RichardDawkins [[UsefulNotes/RichardDawkins Dawkins]], and Gould.
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** There's a brief reference to one of Stross' other works, [[HaltingState]]. In that book, "Hentai Animatics" is a company writing computer games. By the time of ''Saturn's Children'', they're designing sexbots like Freya.
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** There's a brief reference to one of Stross' other works, [[HaltingState]].''Literature/HaltingState''. In that book, "Hentai Animatics" is a company writing computer games. By the time of ''Saturn's Children'', they're designing sexbots like Freya.
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The sequel, ''Neptune's Brood'', is set 5,000 years later. The story follows a mild-mannered "[[MechanicalLifeforms metahuman]]" named Krina as she searches for her sister on the water world of Shin-Tethys. Along the way she is abducted - then hired - by SpacePirates, stalked by a [[{{Doppelganger}} Doppelgänger]] assassin, and unravels the complex financial cons that permeate the interstellar economy. All the while she holds her own secrets about the "Atlantis Carnet", the key to either the greatest treasure in the galaxy or its greatest scam.
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** Played straighter in ''Neptune's Brood'' where stray and escaped "mechanocytes" have started to form a strange new [[MechanicalLifeform web of life]] that so far consists mostly of scavengers, and any metahuman damaged to the point of losing sentience either decomposes into its component mechanocytes or becomes a ravening zombie until it consumes enough resources to restore itself.
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** Completely averted in ''Neptune's Brood'': the robots have developed further and no longer have obedience hard-coded. They've resurrected humanity several times but we keep dying out. As such, they refer to us as "The Fragile" and view us with a kind of pity.
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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. Played with in ''Neptune's Brood'' where the "robots" are advanced mechanical lifeforms with their own kind of biology and cells. The main character basically looks human, but many metahumans take other wildy different forms, such as bats, mermaids, or octopi.
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** Played a little more seriously in ''Neptunes Brood'' with the Church of the Fragile, which is dedicated to fulfilling the robots' original purpose of spreading old-fashioned organic humanity throughout the universe. If only we didn't keep going extinct on them...
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* SeriousBusiness: In ''Neptune's Brood'' banking and finance have effectively beome diplomacy and war, audits are frequently fatal, and insurance adjusters bear letters of Marque and Reprisal.
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** In ''Neptune's Brood'', there is a pirate crew who call themselves [[Film/MontyPythonsTheMeaningOfLife The Crimson Permanent Assurance]] who [[spoiler:turn out to be unusually aggressive insurance underwriters]].
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* {{Transhumanism}}: by the time of ''Neptune's Brood'' robots have effectively become humanity, (aka "metahumanity") with a physiology that combines the best of synthetic and biological processes ("marrow", "techne" and mechanocytes.)
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''Saturn's Children'', and its sequel ''[[Literature/NeptunesBrood]]'', ''Literature/NeptunesBrood'', are a pair of science fiction novels by Creator/CharlesStross, set in a universe where humanity has gone extinct and our robot descendants are the dominant civilization.
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* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed by lust at the mere sight of ''Homo sapiens''--how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such away? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]
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-->She's humiliated me and stolen 5 years of my life, and I strongly suspect she's killed one of my sisters, too, and to add insult to injury, she tried to stop me from having sex!
* AscendedFridgeHorror: Freya was programmed to be overwhelmed bylust feelings of submission and subservience at the mere merest sight of ''Homo sapiens''--how, sapiens'', and totally unable to go against their slightest whim --how, [[DontAsk you may ask]], do you condition a robot to behave in such away? Later on in the novel, we find out that [[HumansAreBastards Freya's long-dead designers]] did so by [[spoiler:[[RapeIsASpecialKindOfEvil inflicting traumatic sexual abuse on her during her "adolescence"]].]]
-->She's humiliated me and stolen 5 years of my life, and I strongly suspect she's killed one of my sisters, too, and to add insult to injury, she tried to stop me from having sex!
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* DeathIsCheap: assuming one is properly backed up and their soul chip survives ''and'' it happens to fall into the hands of someone with an emotional or financial interest in resurecting them.
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* DeathIsCheap: assuming one if you consider restoration from a backup to be "surviving death", then it is properly backed up and their indeed cheap. Only you'll need a compatible, unused body, an up-to-date soul chip survives ''and'' it happens to fall into the hands of and someone with an emotional or financial the interest in resurecting them.of uniting the two. Needless to say, no-one expects any of this to happen. Alternatively, your siblings may ''remember'' you by running your soul chip, but it isn't much like like living again.
** The religious comparisons only get stranger, when a member of a cartel seeking to bring back humans talks about constructing Tyrannosaurs, as many historical records of the Creators showed humans and dinosaurs living side by side, and doubtless the Creators knew best about the species that made up the environment needed to support them so they'd better start cloning those, too.
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* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is dedicated to ensuring that something like this never happens.
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* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is theoretically dedicated to ensuring that something like this never happens.protecting the sterilised husk of Earth from being infected by new organisms before Humanity can be properly resurrected, but in practise are much more interested in exterminating attempts to bring back the creators.
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** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is "instantiated" from a line of robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.
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** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is "instantiated" from a line of robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. Her full name, Freya Nakamichi-47 includes her manufacturer and clone instance number. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.
** There's a brief reference to one of Stross' other works, [[HaltingState]]. In that book, "Hentai Animatics" is a company writing computer games. By the time of ''Saturn's Children'', they're designing sexbots like Freya.
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* TakeThat: While ''Saturn's Children'' is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two separate swipes at the "specialization is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.
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* TakeThat: While ''Saturn's Children'' is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two separate swipes at the "specialization is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' that ''no-one'' can do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.else. She also has a rather more personal observation on specialisation:
-->I'm a generalist, not a specialist. Why bother learning all that biochemistry stuff, or how to design a building, or conn a boat, or balance accounts, or solve equations, or comfort the dying -- when you can get other people to do all that for you in exchange for a blow job?
-->I'm a generalist, not a specialist. Why bother learning all that biochemistry stuff, or how to design a building, or conn a boat, or balance accounts, or solve equations, or comfort the dying -- when you can get other people to do all that for you in exchange for a blow job?
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**They cease being non-indicative titles once one realizes they reference the actual gods Saturn and Neptune instead of the planets named for them, which is not immediately obvious or something anyone without a good working knowlege of Greco-Roman mythology is ever likely to get.
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* MechanicalLifeforms: Metahuman "biology" (for lack of a better term) evolved by combining biological strategies and organization with mechanical processes.
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** Played straighter in ''Neptune's Brood'' where stray and escaped "mechanocytes" have started to form a strange new [[MechanicalLifeform web of life]] that so far consists mostly of scavengers, and any metahuman damaged to the point of losing sentience will either decompose into its component mechanocytes because its "soul" can no longer impose its will on them or become a ravening zombie until it consumes enough resources to restore itself.
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* DeathIsCheap: assuming one is properly backed up and their soul chip survives ''and'' it happens to fall into the hands of someone with an emotional or financial interest in resurecting them.
** Played straighter in ''Neptune's Brood'' where stray and escaped "mechanocytes" have started to form a strange new [[MechanicalLifeform web of life]] that so far consists mostly of scavengers, and any metahuman damaged to the point of losing sentience will either decompose into its component mechanocytes because its "soul" can no longer impose its will on them or become a ravening zombie until it consumes enough resources to restore itself.
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* NotUsingTheZWord: ''Saturn's Children'' justifies this by explaining the actual term "robot" is considered a FantasticSlur. ''Neptune's Brood'' shows that their technology has advanced to the point where they're basically advanced MechanicalLifeforms (with actual mechanical cells, analogous to our biological cells). They just call themselves "metahuman", and refer to regular humans as the "Fragile".
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* NotUsingTheZWord: ''Saturn's Children'' justifies this by explaining the actual term "robot" is considered a FantasticSlur. ''Neptune's Brood'' shows that their technology has advanced to the point where they're basically advanced MechanicalLifeforms (with actual based on mechanical cells, cells called mechanocytes, analogous to our biological cells). cells. They just call themselves "metahuman", "metahuman" and refer to regular old-fashioned biological humans as the "Fragile"."Fragile".
* MechanicalLifeforms: Metahuman "biology" (for lack of a better term) evolved from the combination of biological strategies and organization with mechanical processes.
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** Played a little more seriously in ''Neptunes Brood'' with the church of the fragile, which is dedicated to fulfilling the robot' original purpose of spreading old-fashioned organic humanity throughout the universe. If only we didn't keep going extinct on them...
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The sequel, ''Neptune's Brood'', is set 5,000 years later. The story follows a mild-mannered "[[MechanicalLifeforms metahuman]]" named Krina as she searches for her sister on the water world of Shin-Tethys. Along the way she is abducted - then hired - by SpacePirates, stalked by a [[{{Doppelganger}} Doppelgänger]] assassin, and unravels the complex financial cons that permeate the interstellar economy. All the while holding her own secrets about the "Atlantis Carnet", the key to either the greatest treasure in the galaxy or it's greatest scam.
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There is a story, "Bit Rot", which bridges the gap between the two novels. It can be read [[http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/bit-rot.html here]].
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* ThreeLawsCompliant: In ''Saturn's Children'', the robots were all basically created this way - in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first law doesn't apply so much any more. In fact, the possibility of the first law complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like.
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* ThreeLawsCompliant: In ''Saturn's Children'', the robots were all basically created this way - in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first law doesn't apply so much any more. two laws don't come up very often. In fact, the possibility of the first law two laws complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like.like. [[spoiler:And more to the point, why a power-hungry cabal would be keenly interested in having a pet human to inflict on prospective subjects.]]
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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. Played with in ''Neptune's Children'' where the "robots" are advanced mechanical lifeforms with their own kind of biology and cells. The main character basically looks human, but many metahumans take other wildy different forms, such as bats, mermaids, or octopi.
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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. Played with in ''Neptune's Children'' Brood'' where the "robots" are advanced mechanical lifeforms with their own kind of biology and cells. The main character basically looks human, but many metahumans take other wildy different forms, such as bats, mermaids, or octopi.
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* StarfishRobots: In ''Saturn's Children'', after the demise of humanity, the robots least attached to their creators have formed a new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets. The "metahumans" in ''Neptune's Brood'' take on a variety of odd forms, such as giant bats or aquatic creatures.
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* StarfishRobots: In ''Saturn's Children'', after the demise of humanity, the robots least attached to their creators have formed a new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets. The [[SuperDeformed "Chibiform"]] robots are described as being more efficient (in terms of mass and energy usage) than pure human forms, and the "metahumans" in ''Neptune's Brood'' take on a variety of odd forms, such as giant bats or aquatic creatures.
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* GlobalWarming: After humanity went extinct, [[DoesThisRemindYouOfAnything waste heat from the nano-economy combined with indifference from the surviving robots to cause a runaway greenhouse effect on Earth]] (the Gulf of Mexico is describe as having reached a roiling boil).
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* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, the protagonist is a sexbot who describes how she, and other AIs similar to herself are created. AI's with human level intelligence take as long as a human would to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.
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* CloningBlues: In a robotic version, the protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot who describes how she, and other AIs similar to herself are created. AI's with human level intelligence take as long as a human would to develop, so no [[InstantAIJustAddWater instant AI]], with one loophole: an AI can be duplicated easily. The standard procedure for artificial beings like her was to raise one prototype as desired than clone the AI into identical bodies.
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* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. The book deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is dedicated to ensuring that something like this never happens.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the end, we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler:their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].
* MercurialBase: There is a city on Mercury that's mounted on tracks that stretch around the planet, and which follows the terminator to avoid getting too hot or too cold. The protagonist's enemies [[spoiler:[[ChainedToARailway tie her to the tracks]] and leave her for dead]].
* MyEyesAreLeaking: The {{sexbot}} protagonist is alarmed for a moment when her vision becomes blurred and she registers saline leakage; a surprisingly non-functional response to emotions programmed into her by her long-extinct creators.
* NonIndicativeTitle: While the plot takes place on several different planets and moons in the solar system, Saturn isn't one of them, and there are no children, as such, in the story.
* NotUsingTheZWord: The novel justifies this in regard to its robots--the actual term "robot" is considered a FantasticSlur.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the end, we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler:their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].
* MercurialBase: There is a city on Mercury that's mounted on tracks that stretch around the planet, and which follows the terminator to avoid getting too hot or too cold. The protagonist's enemies [[spoiler:[[ChainedToARailway tie her to the tracks]] and leave her for dead]].
* MyEyesAreLeaking: The {{sexbot}} protagonist is alarmed for a moment when her vision becomes blurred and she registers saline leakage; a surprisingly non-functional response to emotions programmed into her by her long-extinct creators.
* NonIndicativeTitle: While the plot takes place on several different planets and moons in the solar system, Saturn isn't one of them, and there are no children, as such, in the story.
* NotUsingTheZWord: The novel justifies this in regard to its robots--the actual term "robot" is considered a FantasticSlur.
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* HumansAreCthulhu: Humanity died out long ago and left behind a race of intelligent robots that took its place. The book ''Saturn's Children'' deals with a plot by a consortium of wealthy robots who are trying to recreate a living human, which could have cataclysmic effects on robot society because obedience to humans is still hard-coded into their programming. A military organization called the "Pink Police" is dedicated to ensuring that something like this never happens.
** Completely averted in ''Neptune's Brood'': the robots have developed further and no longer have obedience hard-coded. They've resurrected humanity several times but we keep dying out. As such, they refer to us as "The Fragile" and view us with a kind of pity.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At theend, end of ''Saturn's Children'', we learn that the book we have just read is a message Freya is about to send back to her sisters on Earth, to warn them that [[spoiler:their supposedly long-dead mother Rhea is still alive and dangerously insane]].
* MercurialBase:There In ''Saturn's Children'', there is a city on Mercury that's mounted on tracks that stretch around the planet, and which follows the terminator to avoid getting too hot or too cold. The protagonist's enemies [[spoiler:[[ChainedToARailway tie her to the tracks]] and leave her for dead]].
* MyEyesAreLeaking:The {{sexbot}} protagonist In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is alarmed for a moment when her vision becomes blurred and she registers saline leakage; a surprisingly non-functional response to emotions programmed into her by her long-extinct creators.
* NonIndicativeTitle:While For ''Saturn's Children'', while the plot takes place on several different planets and moons in the solar system, Saturn isn't one of them, and there are no children, as such, children in the story.
story. ''Neptune's Brood'' is set in a completely different solar system, though it ''does'' involve a water world.
* NotUsingTheZWord:The novel ''Saturn's Children'' justifies this in regard to its robots--the by explaining the actual term "robot" is considered a FantasticSlur.FantasticSlur. ''Neptune's Brood'' shows that their technology has advanced to the point where they're basically advanced MechanicalLifeforms (with actual mechanical cells, analogous to our biological cells). They just call themselves "metahuman", and refer to regular humans as the "Fragile".
** Completely averted in ''Neptune's Brood'': the robots have developed further and no longer have obedience hard-coded. They've resurrected humanity several times but we keep dying out. As such, they refer to us as "The Fragile" and view us with a kind of pity.
* IShouldWriteABookAboutThis: At the
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* PlanetOfSteves: The main character is 'instantiated' from a line of robots, whom all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.
* PlotCoupon: {{Lampshaded}} via pun:
* PlotCoupon: {{Lampshaded}} via pun:
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* PlanetOfSteves: The main character PlanetOfSteves:
** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is'instantiated' "instantiated" from a line of robots, whom robots who all have the same body and wake up believing they are the original bot, Rhea. They avert this by taking individual names. However, she then encounters The Jeeves Corporation, run by a line whom all refer to themselves as Jeeves. Later on, a specific Jeeves is referred to as "Reginald"; fans of Wodehouse won't find this helps the confusion much.
** In ''Neptune's Brood'' this applies to Krina Alizond-114 and her "sisters", who are all clones of their mother Sondra Alizond.
* PlotCoupon: {{Lampshaded}} viapun:pun in ''Saturn's Children'':
** In ''Saturn's Children'', Freya is
** In ''Neptune's Brood'' this applies to Krina Alizond-114 and her "sisters", who are all clones of their mother Sondra Alizond.
* PlotCoupon: {{Lampshaded}} via
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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. [[spoiler:And then you find out ''how'' [[PoweredByAForsakenChild they did it]]...]]
* RobotGirl: The protagonist. A RobotGirl SexSlave no less, in a universe where humans no longer exist.
* RobotReligion: PlayedForLaughs. Some robots have examined all the relevant scientific evidence and concluded that robots were intelligently designed by a creator. Others fervently believe that robots evolved from simpler forms by means of natural selection, as described in their holy text: Darwin's ''Origin of Species''...
* RobotsEnslavingRobots: The book is all about this trope. One of the protagonist's main worries (everyone in the book is an AI of one sort or another) is ensuring that she always has enough credit in the bank to ensure that she never becomes another AI's property.
* SexBot: The protagonist is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless.
* ShoutOut: In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, the book has a McGuffin disguised as [[TheMalteseFalcon a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]
* RobotGirl: The protagonist. A RobotGirl SexSlave no less, in a universe where humans no longer exist.
* RobotReligion: PlayedForLaughs. Some robots have examined all the relevant scientific evidence and concluded that robots were intelligently designed by a creator. Others fervently believe that robots evolved from simpler forms by means of natural selection, as described in their holy text: Darwin's ''Origin of Species''...
* RobotsEnslavingRobots: The book is all about this trope. One of the protagonist's main worries (everyone in the book is an AI of one sort or another) is ensuring that she always has enough credit in the bank to ensure that she never becomes another AI's property.
* SexBot: The protagonist is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless.
* ShoutOut: In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein, the book has a McGuffin disguised as [[TheMalteseFalcon a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]
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* RidiculouslyHumanRobots: Justified. The (extinct) "[[ThankTheMaker Creators]]" never figured out how to program self-aware AIs from scratch. Instead they just copied the way human brains work. [[spoiler:And then you find out ''how'' [[PoweredByAForsakenChild they did it]]...]]
Played with in ''Neptune's Children'' where the "robots" are advanced mechanical lifeforms with their own kind of biology and cells. The main character basically looks human, but many metahumans take other wildy different forms, such as bats, mermaids, or octopi.
* RobotGirl:The protagonist. A RobotGirl SexSlave no less, Both novels, though ''Neptune's Brood'' to a lesser degree since Krina isn't necessarily a "robot" in a universe where humans no longer exist.
the usual sense of the word.
* RobotReligion:PlayedForLaughs.PlayedForLaughs in ''Saturn's Children''. Some robots have examined all the relevant scientific evidence and concluded that robots were intelligently designed by a creator. Others fervently believe that robots evolved from simpler forms by means of natural selection, as described in their holy text: Darwin's ''Origin of Species''...
* RobotsEnslavingRobots:The book ''Saturn's Children'' is all about this trope. this. One of the protagonist's Freya's main worries (everyone in the book is an AI of one sort or another) is ensuring that she always has enough credit money in the bank to ensure that she never becomes become another AI's robot's property.
* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless.
*ShoutOut: ShoutOut:
** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein,the book ''Saturn's Children'' has a McGuffin disguised as [[TheMalteseFalcon a statue of a black bird]] and an organisation of robot butlers who are all called [[JeevesAndWooster Jeeves]] [[spoiler: one of whom has taken the name "Reginald"; Jeeves's first name in the books.]]
* RobotGirl:
* RobotReligion:
* RobotsEnslavingRobots:
* SexBot: The protagonist of ''Saturn's Children'' is a sexbot in a world where humanity is extinct, making her existence almost pointless.
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** In addition to numerous {{Shout Out}}s to Creator/RobertHeinlein,
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* SpaceElevator: Mars has one giant space elevator called Bifrost.
* StarfishRobots: After the demise of humanity those robots least attached to their creators have formed the new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets.
* TakeThat: While it's mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two seperate swipes at the "specialisation is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.
* ThreeLawsCompliant: The robots were all basically created this way--in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first law doesn't apply so much any more. In fact, the possibility of the first law complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like.
* StarfishRobots: After the demise of humanity those robots least attached to their creators have formed the new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets.
* TakeThat: While it's mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two seperate swipes at the "specialisation is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.
* ThreeLawsCompliant: The robots were all basically created this way--in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first law doesn't apply so much any more. In fact, the possibility of the first law complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like.
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* SpaceElevator: In ''Saturn's Children'', it's revealed that Mars has one giant a space elevator called Bifrost.
* StarfishRobots:After In ''Saturn's Children'', after the demise of humanity those humanity, the robots least attached to their creators have formed the a new aristocracy, and the SexBot protagonist is despised for her DeceptivelyHumanRobot appearance. Most other robots have a more practical appearance for living and working in outer space or other planets.
planets. The "metahumans" in ''Neptune's Brood'' take on a variety of odd forms, such as giant bats or aquatic creatures.
* TakeThat: Whileit's ''Saturn's Children'' is mostly AffectionateParody, there's a few swipes at Heinlein as well; WordOfGod is that the first impetus for the creation of Freya was to ask why anyone's [[Literature/TheNumberOfTheBeast nipples would go "Spung!"]], and there's two seperate separate swipes at the "specialisation "specialization is for insects" line - at one point Freya notes she ''can't'' do most of the things Heinlein's RenaissanceMan can do; as a generalist, her main ability is to find a specialist who can do them for her, and the colony ship requires lots and lots of specialists, and a few generalists to cover everything else.
* ThreeLawsCompliant:The In ''Saturn's Children'', the robots were all basically created this way--in way - in fact, the book quotes the three laws right at the beginning. However, with mankind extinct, the first law doesn't apply so much any more. In fact, the possibility of the first law complicating their lives is why ''some'' robots are so thoroughly opposed to the thought of trying to bring man back using genetic records and the like.
* StarfishRobots:
* TakeThat: While
* ThreeLawsCompliant:
** By the time of ''Neptune's Brood'', this has apparently become a non-issue. The "metahumans" don't seem to have these issues and it's mentioned off-hand that humanity has been resurrected ''several'' times in the intervening 5000 years, apparently without issue.
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* WhatWouldXDo: When Freya is posing as an the Honorable Katherine Sorico, she has to keep asking herself "[=WWtHKSd=]?"
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* WhatWouldXDo: When In ''Saturn's Children'', when Freya is posing as an the "the Honorable Katherine Sorico, Sorico", she has to keep asking herself "[=WWtHKSd=]?"
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** Amusingly, we find out in ''Neptune's Brood'' that humanity is resurrected by the robots...only to go extinct again. This happens ''several times''.