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* TheFairFolk: Discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies. One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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* TheFairFolk: Discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies. One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} Website/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.
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* TheFairFolk: discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies. One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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* TheFairFolk: discussed Discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies. One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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* TheFairFolk: discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies.
** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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* TheFairFolk: discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies.
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fairies. One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.



--> "And lastly there is the oldest and deepest desire, the Great Escape: the Escape from Death. Fairy-stories provide many examples and modes of this … Fairy-stories are made by men not by fairies. The Human-stories of the elves are doubtless full of the Escape from Deathlessness."

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--> "And lastly there is the oldest and deepest desire, the Great Escape: the Escape from Death. Fairy-stories provide many examples and modes of this … this ... Fairy-stories are made by men not by fairies. The Human-stories of the elves are doubtless full of the Escape from Deathlessness."



* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids[[invoked]]: discussed with particular vigor.

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* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids[[invoked]]: discussed Discussed with particular vigor.

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'''''[[https://www.excellence-in-literature.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fairystoriesbytolkien.pdf On Fairy-Stories]]''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium his own legendarium]].

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'''''[[https://www.''[[https://www.excellence-in-literature.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fairystoriesbytolkien.pdf On Fairy-Stories]]''''' Fairy-Stories]]'' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium his own legendarium]].



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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium his own legendarium]].

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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' '''''[[https://www.excellence-in-literature.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fairystoriesbytolkien.pdf On Fairy-Stories]]''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium his own legendarium]].
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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Website/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about [[EvilOverlord Evil Overlords]] in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the play's entry]] at Website/{{Wikipedia}} Wiki/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about [[EvilOverlord Evil Overlords]] {{Evil Overlord}}s in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.
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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen(see the Other Wiki for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy-and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about [[EvilOverlord Evil Overlords]] in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen(see seen (see [[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Rose_(play) the Other Wiki play's entry]] at Website/{{Wikipedia}} for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy-and creepy--and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about [[EvilOverlord Evil Overlords]] in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.
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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for his own legendarium.

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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for [[Franchise/TolkiensLegendarium his own legendarium.
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* {{Escapism}}: And defended.

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* {{Escapism}}: And defended.Tolkien spends much time defending the legitimacy of escapist fiction, as at the time this mode of storytelling was widely ridiculed and derided by critics.
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* ImmortalitySeeker: Discussed with an interesting PerspectiveFlip:
--> "And lastly there is the oldest and deepest desire, the Great Escape: the Escape from Death. Fairy-stories provide many examples and modes of this … Fairy-stories are made by men not by fairies. The Human-stories of the elves are doubtless full of the Escape from Deathlessness."
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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant TropeCodifiers both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for his own legendarium.

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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant TropeCodifiers {{Trope Codifier}}s both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for his own legendarium.

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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day.

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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day.
day. He takes the "Color Fairy Book" collections of Creator/AndrewLang as his starting point, and offers illuminating observations that served as significant TropeCodifiers both for the fantasy/fairy tale genres and for his own legendarium.


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* {{Mythopoeia}}: Described by Tolkien as "sub-creation."
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* LandOfFaerieLandOfFaerie: Tolkien draws a significant distinction between tales about the Land of Faerie (what he means by "Fairy-stories") and stories about the cute little "fairies" of pop culture (of which he takes a very dim view).
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* SpecialEffectFailure[[invoked]]: One problem with dramatic presentation.

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* SpecialEffectFailure[[invoked]]: One problem with the dramatic presentation.presentation of fantasy. Part of his definition of Elves as idealized artists ("sub-creators") involves pointing out that this ''doesn't happen'' in the art they are rumored to produce.
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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day.

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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by JRRTolkien, Creator/JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day.
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* HeinzHybrid: He mentions this, and notes that it can lead to unimpressive results if [[HybridOverkillAvoidance overdone]].
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because the trope means that it can be intended for adults rather than children


** Specifically he seems to be saying "Kids have stronger stomachs then they are given credit for, it's often adults that are the squeemish ones, and anyway if it's not fit for adults, it's also not fit for kids."
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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen(see the Other Wiki for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen(see the Other Wiki for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy.creepy-and he thought it was ''fun'' to write stories about [[EvilOverlord Evil Overlords]] in [[{{Mordor}} hellish countries]]. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.
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**Specifically he seems to be saying "Kids have stronger stomachs then they are given credit for, it's often adults that are the squeemish ones, and anyway if it's not fit for adults, it's also not fit for kids."
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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen. Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.

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** One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen.seen(see the Other Wiki for a fuller description). Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.
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* TheFairFolk: discussed at length naturally and compared to "cute" fairies.
**One example given is the J.M. Barrie play ''Mary Rose'' in which humans are meddled with by Fair Folk who are never actually seen. Tolkien seems to have liked the play reasonably, but thought it uncommonly creepy. He noted though that what made it work is that it was written in a way that did not require special effects.
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* BeastFable: If there's no other magic involved, the mere presence of {{Talking Animal}}s doesn't make a story a FairyTale either.
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* AllJustADream: According to Tolkien, this device automatically disqualifies any story that uses it from consideration as a FairyTale. Even a good story is like "a good picture in a disfiguring frame."

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* AllJustADream: According to Tolkien, this device automatically disqualifies any story that uses it from consideration as a FairyTale. Even a an otherwise good story is like "a good picture in a disfiguring frame."
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* AllJustADream: According to Tolkien, this device automatically disqualifies any story that uses it from consideration as a FairyTale. Even a good story is like "a good picture in a disfiguring frame."
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->''The realm of fairy-story is wide and deep and high and filled with many things: all manner of beasts and birds are found there; shoreless seas and stars uncounted; beauty that is an enchantment, and an ever-present peril; both joy and sorrow as sharp as swords. In that realm a man may, perhaps, count himself fortunate to have wandered, but its very richness and strangeness tie the tongue of a traveller who would report them. And while he is there it is dangerous for him to ask too many questions, lest the gates should be shut and the keys be lost.''
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* SpecialEffectFailure: One problem with dramatic presentation.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids[invoked]: discussed with particular vigor.

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* SpecialEffectFailure: SpecialEffectFailure[[invoked]]: One problem with dramatic presentation.
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'''''On Fairy-Stories''''' is a lecture, later an essay, by JRRTolkien, which treated of literary criticism of the FairyTale and {{Fantasy}}, genres not entirely distinct in his day.

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* {{Escapism}}: And defended.
* FairyTale
* LandOfFaerie
* SpecialEffectFailure: One problem with dramatic presentation.
* WhatDoYouMeanItsNotForKids[invoked]: discussed with particular vigor.
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