History Literature / NineteenEightyFour

28th Sep '16 9:09:38 AM mitcher
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* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but her physique might pass her off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting ---- her actress was 24 years old during filming.)

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* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but her physique might pass her off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting ---- her actress was 24 years old during filming.)
26th Sep '16 11:18:15 PM mitcher
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* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but her physique might pass off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting ---- her actress was 24 years old during filming.)

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* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but her physique might pass her off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting ---- her actress was 24 years old during filming.)


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* SceneryGorn: Oceania in the 1984 film is filled with these. The Golden Country however, is a SceneryPorn.
26th Sep '16 11:14:07 PM mitcher
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* AdaptationalNameChange:
** Syme was given the first name of 'Harold' in the 1984 adaptation. Before that, he was referred to as "Syme. B" in the 1954 BBC Adaptation
** Julia was given the last name of 'Dixon' in the 1954 BBC Adaptation. In the book, her last name was never revealed. (see NoNameGiven below.)



** However, Julia is given the last name of 'Dixon' in the [[AdaptationalNameChange 1954 BBC adaptation]]



* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but she might pass off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting --- her actress were 24 at the time of filming)

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* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but she her physique might pass off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting --- ---- her actress were was 24 at the time of filming)years old during filming.)
26th Sep '16 11:00:22 PM mitcher
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* OlderThanTheyLook: Julia in the 1984 film. She is 26 years old, but she might pass off as a teenage girl at best. (Possibly the effect of DawsonCasting --- her actress were 24 at the time of filming)
22nd Sep '16 1:52:49 AM Ulysses21
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Compare also with ''Literature/JenniferGovernment'', another {{Dystopia}}n novel in which it's not the state or a single party, but [[PrivatelyOwnedSociety corporations who control everything]]. Contrast ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' where ''[[GovernmentDrugEnforcement hedonism]]'' instead of terror is used instead to control the populace, and ''{{Literature/Fahrenheit 451}}'', where dystopia came about from the people while the government was less involved.

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Compare also with ''Literature/JenniferGovernment'', another {{Dystopia}}n novel in which it's not the state or a single party, but [[PrivatelyOwnedSociety corporations who control everything]].everything]]; and with ''Literature/TheHandmaidsTale'' in which the suppression of sex for any reason other than breeding is also a major element. Contrast ''Literature/BraveNewWorld'' where ''[[GovernmentDrugEnforcement hedonism]]'' instead of terror is used instead to control the populace, and ''{{Literature/Fahrenheit 451}}'', where dystopia came about from the people while the government was less involved.
13th Sep '16 9:26:13 AM SantosLHalper
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** There exists an actual political ideology known as '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism National Bolshevism]]', whose aims include: a rigidly hierarchical society led by a small group of inner elites; the intentional stagnation of technology and culture; the creation of a totalitarian society featuring elements of Stalinism, Maoism, fascism, Nazism, and theocratic absolutism; war for the sake of destroying excess; mass murder and genocide for the sake of itself. Also, its followers wish to establish a superstate known as "Eurasia". It's also the third largest party in Russia.

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** There exists an actual political ideology known as '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism National Bolshevism]]', whose aims include: a rigidly hierarchical society led by a small group of inner elites; the intentional stagnation of technology and culture; the creation of a totalitarian society featuring elements of Stalinism, Maoism, fascism, Nazism, and theocratic absolutism; war for the sake of destroying excess; mass murder and genocide for the sake of itself. Also, its followers wish to establish a superstate known as "Eurasia". It's also the third largest party in Russia.Mercifully, it's only a small banned fringe party.
3rd Sep '16 12:30:02 PM JulianLapostat
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* LifeImitatesArt:
** The Democratic People's Republic of [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea Korea]] seems to have taken many, many cues from Orwell. In a bad way. Creator/ChristopherHitchens, after his visit to North Korea, described it by saying "it was as if someone had taken ''1984'' and said 'Can you make it as much like this as possible?'" They have even gone as far as to build a giant [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel pyramid building]]. And by law, North Korean libraries may not stock books older than fifteen years -- the books must be re-edited and reprinted. Wonder where they got that idea.[[note]]The most terrifying part of all of this is that it is all plausible. There are no far-fetched [[ScienceFiction sci-fi]] elements in it, and they had 30-ish years in the book -- long enough to raise a generation who've never known anything else. Orwell lifted most of Big Brother's tactics from Stalin and [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]] and provided a reason (war) for otherwise rational men and women to accept the same tactics from their own government. It also happened a lot of times in the ''past'', in the form of how theocracies proclaimed themselves as infallible by an omnipotent god. Though this also provides some hope, as North Koreans flee to China all the time, and when the Soviet Union collapsed people lined up to leave, and they were a generation that knew nothing else.[[/note]]
** There exists an actual political ideology known as '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism National Bolshevism]]', whose aims include: a rigidly hierarchical society led by a small group of inner elites; the intentional stagnation of technology and culture; the creation of a totalitarian society featuring elements of Stalinism, Maoism, fascism, Nazism, and theocratic absolutism; war for the sake of destroying excess; mass murder and genocide for the sake of itself. Also, its followers wish to establish a superstate known as "Eurasia". It's also the third largest party in Russia.



** The Democratic People's Republic of [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea Korea]] seems to have taken many, many cues from Orwell. In a bad way. Creator/ChristopherHitchens, after his visit to North Korea, described it by saying "it was as if someone had taken ''1984'' and said 'Can you make it as much like this as possible?'" They have even gone as far as to build a giant [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel pyramid building]]. And by law, North Korean libraries may not stock books older than fifteen years -- the books must be re-edited and reprinted. Wonder where they got that idea.[[note]]The most terrifying part of all of this is that it is all plausible. There are no far-fetched [[ScienceFiction sci-fi]] elements in it, and they had 30-ish years in the book -- long enough to raise a generation who've never known anything else. Orwell lifted most of Big Brother's tactics from Stalin and [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]] and provided a reason (war) for otherwise rational men and women to accept the same tactics from their own government. It also happened a lot of times in the ''past'', in the form of how theocracies proclaimed themselves as infallible by an omnipotent god. Though this also provides some hope, as North Koreans flee to China all the time, and when the Soviet Union collapsed people lined up to leave, and they were a generation that knew nothing else.[[/note]]
** Even "Newspeak" had a direct precedent. The basic concept and many of its specific characteristics are a parody of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English Basic English]]," an actual proposal for an [[ConLang international language]] based on a version of English with a restricted vocabulary and "rationalised" grammar, which Orwell considered aesthetically ugly, and politically repressive in its choices for necessary subject matter to be covered.
** There exists an actual political ideology known as '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism National Bolshevism]]', whose aims include: a rigidly hierarchical society led by a small group of inner elites; the intentional stagnation of technology and culture; the creation of a totalitarian society featuring elements of Stalinism, Maoism, fascism, Nazism, and theocratic absolutism; war for the sake of destroying excess; mass murder and genocide for the sake of itself. Also, its followers wish to establish a superstate known as "Eurasia". It's also the third largest party in Russia.

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** The Democratic People's Republic of [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea Korea]] seems to have taken many, many cues from Orwell. In a bad way. Creator/ChristopherHitchens, after his visit to North Korea, described it by saying "it was as if someone had taken ''1984'' and said 'Can you make it as much like this as possible?'" They have even gone as far as to build a giant [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel pyramid building]]. And by law, North Korean libraries may not stock books older than fifteen years -- the books must be re-edited and reprinted. Wonder where they got that idea.[[note]]The most terrifying part of all of this is that it is all plausible. There are no far-fetched [[ScienceFiction sci-fi]] elements in it, and they had 30-ish years in the book -- long enough to raise a generation who've never known anything else. Orwell lifted most of Big Brother's tactics from Stalin and [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]] and provided a reason (war) for otherwise rational men and women to accept the same tactics from their own government. It also happened a lot of times in the ''past'', in the form of how theocracies proclaimed themselves as infallible by an omnipotent god. Though this also provides some hope, as North Koreans flee to China all the time, and when the Soviet Union collapsed people lined up to leave, and they were a generation that knew nothing else.[[/note]]
** Even
"Newspeak" had a direct precedent. The basic concept and many of its specific characteristics are a parody of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English Basic English]]," an actual proposal for an [[ConLang international language]] based on a version of English with a restricted vocabulary and "rationalised" grammar, which Orwell considered aesthetically ugly, and politically repressive in its choices for necessary subject matter to be covered.
** There exists an actual The overall shifts and inconsistencies of Oceania and [=IngSoc=]'s party line reflects the build-up of WorldWarII and the sudden shifts in political ideology known as '[[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Bolshevism National Bolshevism]]', whose aims include: a rigidly hierarchical society alliances which Orwell working in the BBC information bureau found bewildering. The Soviet Union was anti-fascist and then signed the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact of neutrality, America was neutral, the British Empire was anti-fascist and then Hitler declared war on the Soviet Union, which led by a small group of inner elites; the intentional stagnation English to welcome the Soviet Union into the alliance, [[StrangeBedfellows invade Iran together]], SellOut Poland to Stalin, to say nothing of technology the anti-communist Americans suddenly palling around with the USSR and culture; then ending the creation of a totalitarian society featuring elements of Stalinism, Maoism, fascism, Nazism, war as enemies again with Winston Churchill's Iron Curtain speech. Orwell in the bureau realized that overnight and theocratic absolutism; war for the sake of destroying excess; mass murder and genocide for the sake of itself. Also, its followers wish to establish a superstate known as "Eurasia". It's also the third largest new information came, a new party in Russia.line emerged and inconsistencies were papered over for {{realpolitik}} reasons.
3rd Sep '16 11:32:22 AM JulianLapostat
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** The Democratic People's Republic of [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea Korea]] seems to have taken many, many cues from Orwell. In a bad way. Creator/ChristopherHitchens, after his visit to North Korea, described it by saying "it was as if someone had taken ''1984'' and said 'Can you make it as much like this as possible?'"
** Even going so far as to build a giant [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel pyramid building]]. And by law, North Korean libraries may not stock books older than fifteen years -- the books must be re-edited and reprinted. Wonder where they got that idea...
** The most terrifying part of all of this is that it is all plausible. There are no far-fetched [[ScienceFiction sci-fi]] elements in it, and they had 30-ish years in the book -- long enough to raise a generation who've never known anything else. Orwell lifted most of Big Brother's tactics from Stalin and [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]] and provided a reason (war) for otherwise rational men and women to accept the same tactics from their own government. It also happened a lot of times in the ''past'', in the form of how theocracies proclaimed themselves as infallible by an omnipotent god. Though this also provides some hope, as North Koreans flee to China all the time, and when the Soviet Union collapsed people lined up to leave, and they were a generation that knew nothing else.\\
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Even "Newspeak" had a direct precedent. The basic concept and many of its specific characteristics are a parody of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English Basic English]]," an actual proposal for an [[ConLang international language]] based on a version of English with a restricted vocabulary and "rationalised" grammar, which Orwell considered aesthetically ugly, and politically repressive in its choices for necessary subject matter to be covered.

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** The Democratic People's Republic of [[UsefulNotes/NorthKorea Korea]] seems to have taken many, many cues from Orwell. In a bad way. Creator/ChristopherHitchens, after his visit to North Korea, described it by saying "it was as if someone had taken ''1984'' and said 'Can you make it as much like this as possible?'"
** Even going so
possible?'" They have even gone as far as to build a giant [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryugyong_Hotel pyramid building]]. And by law, North Korean libraries may not stock books older than fifteen years -- the books must be re-edited and reprinted. Wonder where they got that idea...
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idea.[[note]]The most terrifying part of all of this is that it is all plausible. There are no far-fetched [[ScienceFiction sci-fi]] elements in it, and they had 30-ish years in the book -- long enough to raise a generation who've never known anything else. Orwell lifted most of Big Brother's tactics from Stalin and [[UsefulNotes/AdolfHitler Hitler]] and provided a reason (war) for otherwise rational men and women to accept the same tactics from their own government. It also happened a lot of times in the ''past'', in the form of how theocracies proclaimed themselves as infallible by an omnipotent god. Though this also provides some hope, as North Koreans flee to China all the time, and when the Soviet Union collapsed people lined up to leave, and they were a generation that knew nothing else.\\
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**
Even "Newspeak" had a direct precedent. The basic concept and many of its specific characteristics are a parody of "[[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_English Basic English]]," an actual proposal for an [[ConLang international language]] based on a version of English with a restricted vocabulary and "rationalised" grammar, which Orwell considered aesthetically ugly, and politically repressive in its choices for necessary subject matter to be covered.
27th Aug '16 6:42:36 PM mitcher
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Two film versions were made, in 1956 and (appropriately) 1984. The 1956 version was directed by [[Film/LogansRun Michael Anderson]] and featured Edmond O'Brien, Creator/DonaldPleasence, Jan Sterling and Creator/MichaelRedgrave. The brilliant and depressing 1984 version of ''Nineteen Eighty-Four'', starring Creator/JohnHurt as Winston and Creator/RichardBurton in his final role as O'Brien, is far more true to the original novel, but is often compared unfavorably to Terry Gilliam's surreal dystopian movie ''Film/{{Brazil}}'' (which came out one year later, in 1985), which takes a much more subversive and [[BlackComedy blackly humorous]] view of Orwell's themes. According to Website/IMDb, Creator/TimBurton is working on another adaptation of this movie.

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Two film versions were made, in 1956 and (appropriately) 1984. The 1956 version was directed by [[Film/LogansRun Michael Anderson]] and featured Edmond O'Brien, Creator/DonaldPleasence, Jan Sterling and Creator/MichaelRedgrave. The brilliant and depressing 1984 version of ''Nineteen Eighty-Four'', starring Creator/JohnHurt as Winston and Creator/RichardBurton in his final role as O'Brien, with a soundtrack by Music/{{Eurythmics}}, is far more true to the original novel, but is often compared unfavorably to Terry Gilliam's surreal dystopian movie ''Film/{{Brazil}}'' (which came out one year later, in 1985), which takes a much more subversive and [[BlackComedy blackly humorous]] view of Orwell's themes. According to Website/IMDb, Creator/TimBurton is working on another adaptation of this movie.
22nd Aug '16 4:37:37 AM mitcher
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* BreatherEpisode: The whole of Part II (''especially' Chapters [[SoHappyTogether II and IV]]), when nothing threatening happens, and even a HopeSpot or two begins. Within Part II itself, special breather episodes are when Winston reads ''the book'', because by definition there can be no threat.

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* BreatherEpisode: The whole of Part II (''especially' (''especially'' Chapters [[SoHappyTogether II and IV]]), when nothing threatening happens, and even a HopeSpot or two begins. Within Part II itself, special breather episodes are when Winston reads ''the book'', because by definition there can be no threat.
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