History Literature / Mahabharata

1st Apr '17 8:10:50 AM ImperialMajestyXO
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* AttemptedRape: Kichaka attempts to rape Draupadi in the Matsya Kingdom. Jayadatha attempts to rape Draupadi as well when she is exiled in the forest. After the dice game incident, Duryodhana, and Dushasana try to rape her in front of their royal court...and her husbands


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* AttemptedRape: Kichaka attempts to rape Draupadi in the Matsya Kingdom. Jayadatha attempts to rape Draupadi as well when she is exiled in the forest. After the dice game incident, Duryodhana, and Dushasana try to rape her in front of their royal court...and her husbands
30th Mar '17 11:33:01 AM Hossmeister
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TheChick - Draupadi. Instead of a peacemaker however, she brings them closer to war. Closer in personality to the DarkChick.

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TheChick - Draupadi. Instead of a peacemaker however, she brings them closer to war. Closer in personality to the DarkChick.
TheDarkChick.



TheDarkChick Shikhandi. Was Amba, the eldest princess of Kasi, in his previous life. Once Bhishma rejected her, Amba became reborn as Shikhandi to enact revenge for her humiliation.

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TheDarkChick Shikhandi. Was Amba, the eldest princess of Kasi, in his previous life. Once Bhishma rejected her, Amba became reborn as Shikhandi to enact exact revenge for her humiliation.
30th Mar '17 11:29:19 AM Hossmeister
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The Pandavas are five brothers:

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The Pandavas '''The Pandavas''' are five brothers:brothers, plus Draupadi, their wife; and Krishna, [[GodInHumanForm the incarnation of Vishnu]].



[[TagalongKid Tagalong Kids]] Nakula and Sahadeva.

In addition, there are two more main characters to round out the Pandavas:
-->TheSmartGuy: Krishna. Also the ManBehindTheMan and the XanatosSpeedChess [[ChessMaster Master]] of this entire epic.\\

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[[TagalongKid Tagalong Kids]] Nakula and Sahadeva.

In addition, there are two more main characters to round out the Pandavas:
-->TheSmartGuy:
Sahadeva.\\
TheSmartGuy:
Krishna. Also the ManBehindTheMan and the XanatosSpeedChess [[ChessMaster Master]] of this entire epic.\\



The Kauravas consists of the numerous sons of Dhritarashtra and their allies. These are the main ones:

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The Kauravas consists '''The Kauravas''' consist of the numerous sons of Dhritarashtra and their allies. These are the main ones:
30th Mar '17 11:24:14 AM Hossmeister
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TheLancer[=/=]ArcherArchetype Arjuna. Filled with doubts regarding the justness of war, he seeks guidance from Krishna in the most famous book of the ''Mahabharata'', the ''Bhagavad Gita''.\\

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TheLancer[=/=]ArcherArchetype Arjuna. Filled with doubts regarding the justness of war, he seeks guidance from Krishna in the most famous book of the ''Mahabharata'', the ''Bhagavad Gita''.''Literature/BhagavadGita''.\\



Subject to countless AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. Mostly because of MoralDissonance and most characters being JerkAss or worse, or some characters being ScrewedByDestiny. Countless adaptations have taken place; this epic is often compared to the works of Creator/{{Homer}}.

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Subject to countless AlternativeCharacterInterpretation. Mostly because of MoralDissonance and most characters being JerkAss or worse, or some characters being ScrewedByDestiny.[[YouCantFightFate Screwed by Destiny]]. Countless adaptations have taken place; this epic is often compared to the works of Creator/{{Homer}}.
30th Mar '17 11:20:19 AM Hossmeister
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--> - TheLeader[=/=]BigBrotherMentor - Yuddhisthira. The hero with many flaws, who nevertheless emerges as TheHeart as he realizes the futility of war.\\
TheLancer[=/=]ArcherArchetype: Arjuna. Filled with doubts regarding the justness of war, he seeks guidance from Krishna in the most famous book of the ''Mahabharata'', the ''Bhagavad Gita''.\\
TheBigGuy - Bhima. A brutal, violent fighter who is blessed with superhuman strength. He is able to withstand any enemy and fight without surrendering.\\
[[TagalongKid TagAlongKids]] - Nakula and Sahadeva.

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--> - TheLeader[=/=]BigBrotherMentor - -->TheLeader[=/=]BigBrotherMentor Yuddhisthira. The hero with many flaws, who nevertheless emerges as TheHeart as he realizes the futility of war.\\
TheLancer[=/=]ArcherArchetype: TheLancer[=/=]ArcherArchetype Arjuna. Filled with doubts regarding the justness of war, he seeks guidance from Krishna in the most famous book of the ''Mahabharata'', the ''Bhagavad Gita''.\\
TheBigGuy - Bhima. A brutal, violent fighter who is blessed with superhuman strength. He is able to withstand any enemy and fight without surrendering.\\
[[TagalongKid TagAlongKids]] - Tagalong Kids]] Nakula and Sahadeva.



-->TheBigBad - Duryodhana. The leader of the Kauravas, he refuses to return the Pandavas' rightfully owned land after their exile, and ultimately serves as the catalyst for war.\\
TheDragon - Karna. Technically the real BigBrotherMentor of the Pandavas. He is Kunti's firstborn son (but was abandoned due to his being born out of wedlock), but even after he finds out, he sticks with the Kauravas out of loyalty. The Pandavas find out only after he dies at their hands.\\
EvilGenius[=/=]EvilUncle - Shakuni. He is the one who persuades Yuddhishtira to continue the dice game, and later persuades Duryodhana to go to war with the Pandavas.\\
TheBrute - Dushasana. He attempts to humiliate Draupadi in front of the court, and remains one of the most brutal fighters in the war.\\
TheDarkChick: Shikhandi. Was Amba, the eldest princess of Kasi, in his previous life. Once Bhishma rejected her, Amba became reborn as Shikhandi to enact revenge for her humiliation.

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-->TheBigBad - Duryodhana. The leader of the Kauravas, he refuses to return the Pandavas' rightfully owned land after their exile, and ultimately serves as the catalyst for war.\\
TheDragon - Karna. Technically the real BigBrotherMentor of the Pandavas. He is Kunti's firstborn son (but was abandoned due to his being born out of wedlock), but even after he finds out, he sticks with the Kauravas out of loyalty. The Pandavas find out only after he dies at their hands.\\
EvilGenius[=/=]EvilUncle - Shakuni. He is the one who persuades Yuddhishtira to continue the dice game, and later persuades Duryodhana to go to war with the Pandavas.\\
TheBrute - Dushasana. He attempts to humiliate Draupadi in front of the court, and remains one of the most brutal fighters in the war.\\
TheDarkChick: TheDarkChick Shikhandi. Was Amba, the eldest princess of Kasi, in his previous life. Once Bhishma rejected her, Amba became reborn as Shikhandi to enact revenge for her humiliation.
30th Mar '17 11:17:53 AM Hossmeister
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--> - TheLeader[=/=]BigBrotherMentor - Yuddhisthira. The hero with many flaws, who nevertheless emerges as TheHeart as he realizes the

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--> - TheLeader[=/=]BigBrotherMentor - Yuddhisthira. The hero with many flaws, who nevertheless emerges as TheHeart as he realizes the futility of war.\\



[[TagAlongKids TagAlongKids]] - Nakula and Sahadeva.

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[[TagAlongKids [[TagalongKid TagAlongKids]] - Nakula and Sahadeva.
30th Mar '17 11:16:56 AM Hossmeister
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The Pandavas are five brothers
-->The Archer - Arjuna.\\
BigBrotherMentor and TheSmartGuy - Yuddhisthira, also TheHeart.\\
TheBigGuy - Bhima\\
{{Tag Along Kid}}s - Nakula and Sahadeva\\

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The Pandavas are five brothers
-->The Archer
brothers:
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- Arjuna.TheLeader[=/=]BigBrotherMentor - Yuddhisthira. The hero with many flaws, who nevertheless emerges as TheHeart as he realizes the
TheLancer[=/=]ArcherArchetype: Arjuna. Filled with doubts regarding the justness of war, he seeks guidance from Krishna in the most famous book of the ''Mahabharata'', the ''Bhagavad Gita''.
\\
BigBrotherMentor TheBigGuy - Bhima. A brutal, violent fighter who is blessed with superhuman strength. He is able to withstand any enemy and TheSmartGuy - Yuddhisthira, also TheHeart.fight without surrendering.\\
TheBigGuy - Bhima\\
{{Tag Along Kid}}s
[[TagAlongKids TagAlongKids]] - Nakula and Sahadeva\\Sahadeva.

In addition, there are two more main characters to round out the Pandavas:
-->TheSmartGuy: Krishna. Also the ManBehindTheMan and the XanatosSpeedChess [[ChessMaster Master]] of this entire epic.\\



The ManBehindTheMan and the XanatosSpeedChess [[ChessMaster Master]] of this entire epic is [[GodInHumanForm Krishna]].

The Kauravas consists of the numerous sons of Dhritarashtra and their allies.
-->TheAntagonist - Duryodhana\\
TheDragon - Karna - Techinically the real BigBrotherMentor of the Pandavas and Kunti's first son, but even after he finds out, he sticks with the Kauravas out of loyalty. The Pandavas find out only after he dies - at their hands.\\
EvilGenius - Shakuni. Also EvilUncle.\\
TheBrute - Dushasana

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The ManBehindTheMan and the XanatosSpeedChess [[ChessMaster Master]] of this entire epic is [[GodInHumanForm Krishna]].

The Kauravas consists of the numerous sons of Dhritarashtra and their allies.
-->TheAntagonist - Duryodhana\\
TheDragon - Karna - Techinically
allies. These are the real BigBrotherMentor main ones:
-->TheBigBad - Duryodhana. The leader
of the Pandavas and Kunti's first son, but even Kauravas, he refuses to return the Pandavas' rightfully owned land after he finds out, he sticks with the Kauravas out of loyalty. The Pandavas find out only after he dies - at their hands.exile, and ultimately serves as the catalyst for war.\\
EvilGenius TheDragon - Shakuni. Also EvilUncle.Karna. Technically the real BigBrotherMentor of the Pandavas. He is Kunti's firstborn son (but was abandoned due to his being born out of wedlock), but even after he finds out, he sticks with the Kauravas out of loyalty. The Pandavas find out only after he dies at their hands.\\
EvilGenius[=/=]EvilUncle - Shakuni. He is the one who persuades Yuddhishtira to continue the dice game, and later persuades Duryodhana to go to war with the Pandavas.\\
TheBrute - Dushasana
Dushasana. He attempts to humiliate Draupadi in front of the court, and remains one of the most brutal fighters in the war.\\
TheDarkChick: Shikhandi. Was Amba, the eldest princess of Kasi, in his previous life. Once Bhishma rejected her, Amba became reborn as Shikhandi to enact revenge for her humiliation.
17th Mar '17 1:51:43 AM Strafe2409
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The Epic starts with King Shantanu, the ancestor of the Kurus falling in LoveAtFirstSight with (unknown to him) River Goddess Ganga whose condition for marrying him is that he should refrain [[ThePromise from questioning her about anything that she does]]. Ganga however appears to be a JerkAss and [[OffingtheOffspring drowns every single child she bears as soon as they are born]]. Shantanu finally asks her to stop, only to find out that her sons are holy souls that, who, due to a crime of vandalism that they had committed, were forced to be born as mortal humans, and that [[BlueAndOrangeMorality by drowning them, she's letting them go back to the place where souls go after having transcended the cycle of rebirth]]. Ganga leaves and her son, Devavrata, becomes the apparent heir. Shantanu finds his SecondLove, a young fisherwoman named Satyavati whom he cannot marry due to ParentalMarriageVeto. TheWisePrince Devavrata promises to step away from the throne and to remain celibate for the rest of his life so that Satyavati's children can inherit the throne. Satyavati is allowed to marry Shantanu. Devavrata is hence called Bhishma or the 'one with a terrible vow'.

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The Epic starts with King Shantanu, the ancestor of the Kurus falling in LoveAtFirstSight with (unknown to him) River Goddess Ganga whose condition for marrying him is that he should refrain [[ThePromise from questioning her about anything that she does]]. Ganga however appears to be a JerkAss {{Jerkass}} and [[OffingtheOffspring drowns every single child she bears as soon as they are born]]. Shantanu finally asks her to stop, only to find out that her sons are holy souls that, who, due to a crime of vandalism that they had committed, were forced to be born as mortal humans, and that [[BlueAndOrangeMorality by drowning them, she's letting them go back to the place where souls go after having transcended the cycle of rebirth]]. Ganga leaves and her son, Devavrata, becomes the apparent heir. Shantanu finds his SecondLove, a young fisherwoman named Satyavati whom he cannot marry due to ParentalMarriageVeto. TheWisePrince Devavrata promises to step away from the throne and to remain celibate for the rest of his life so that Satyavati's children can inherit the throne. Satyavati is allowed to marry Shantanu. Devavrata is hence called Bhishma or the 'one with a terrible vow'.



* AnyoneCanDie:
** No one is spared from a KarmicDeath! Not even [[spoiler:Krishna]].
** In [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s case, it's complicated. In separate parts of the book, such as the ''Literature/BhagavadGita'', [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s death is portrayed as a [[FakingTheDead fakeout]], when he actually went back to his abode of Vaikuntha. Being the MasterOfIllusion he is, he has often fooled everyone including the gods as to who he is throughout the book. However, there is a difference between the death of the mortal body and the [[DeaderThanDead death of the soul]]. The mortal deaths of [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s kinsmen and himself are necessary for the fulfillment of Gandhari's promise, which does eventually occur in the Mahabharata. [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s ascension to heaven and the sinking of Dwarka lead to Arjuna's HeroicBSOD and the renunciation of the Pandavas. It also signifies the EndOfAnEra and the start of a new age.
** Subverted with Aswatamma, who instead suffers a FateWorseThanDeath via WhoWantsToLiveForever.



* BadAssAdorable: Krishna, Krishna, [[RuleOfThree Krishna!]]. In spite of being the most adorable baby and naughty CheerfulChild in the book, he really kicks some demon ass!

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* BadAssAdorable: BadassAdorable: Krishna, Krishna, [[RuleOfThree Krishna!]]. In spite of being the most adorable baby and naughty CheerfulChild in the book, he really kicks some demon ass!



* TheBerserker: Arjuna goes berserk after the Kauravas ganged up and killed his teenage son Abhimanyu. Krishna goes temporarily berserk when he learns that Arjuna was fighting Patriach Bhisma half-heartedly. Bhima goes berserk almost continuously in the epic, especially when someone insults Draupadi's honor.



* BigBad: Duryodhana, with Shakuni as BiggerBad.

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* BigBad: Duryodhana, with Shakuni as BiggerBad.GreaterScopeVillain.



* {{Bowdlerization}}: The [[UsefulNotes/{{Indonesia}} Javanese]] version removes some of the more {{squick}}tastic elements of the original, such as Draupadi being the wife of all five Pandavas. In it, she is Yudhisthira's (and only Yudhisthira's) wife. Probably something to do with the spread of UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}.

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* {{Bowdlerization}}: The [[UsefulNotes/{{Indonesia}} Javanese]] version removes some of the more {{squick}}tastic elements of the original, such as Draupadi being the wife of all five Pandavas. In it, she is Yudhisthira's (and only Yudhisthira's) wife. Probably something to do with the spread of UsefulNotes/{{Islam}}.ancient Javanese opposition to polyandry.



* CainAndAbel:
** Duryodhana tried to kill his cousin Bhima by poisoning him as a child.

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* CainAndAbel:
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CainAndAbel: Duryodhana tried to kill his cousin Bhima by poisoning him as a child.



** Arjuna's mentor Drona is insulted by his childhood friend, King Drupad so he asks Arjuna to teach the JerkAss a lesson. Drupad is humiliated in a badass manner and wants revenge. He gets a son Dhristadyuma to kill Drona and a daughter Draupadi to marry Arjuna.

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** Arjuna's mentor Drona is insulted by his childhood friend, King Drupad so he asks Arjuna to teach the JerkAss {{Jerkass}} a lesson. Drupad is humiliated in a badass manner and wants revenge. He gets a son Dhristadyuma to kill Drona and a daughter Draupadi to marry Arjuna.



* GreyAndGrayMorality: Some people who read this epic insist that the whole conflict was basically about nuances of interpretations of Dharma (duty). If you don't get it, don't despair--most of the participants probably didn't get it either, until they died. Also, all described characters have a specified good enough reason to be there; almost everyone on the battlefield was there out of loyalty. And {{Jerk Ass}}es are everywhere.

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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Some people who read this epic insist that the whole conflict was basically about nuances of interpretations of Dharma (duty). If you don't get it, don't despair--most of the participants probably didn't get it either, until they died. Also, all described characters have a specified good enough reason to be there; almost everyone on the battlefield was there out of loyalty. And {{Jerk Ass}}es {{Jerkass}}es are everywhere.



* KarmicDeath:
** No one is spared from a Karmic Death! Not even [[spoiler:Krishna]].
** In [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s case, it's complicated. In separate parts of the book, such as the ''Literature/BhagavadGita'', [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s death is portrayed as a [[FakingTheDead fakeout]], when he actually went back to his abode of Vaikuntha. Being the MasterOfIllusion he is, he has often fooled everyone including the gods as to who he is throughout the book. However, there is a difference between the death of the mortal body and the [[DeaderThanDead death of the soul]]. The mortal deaths of [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s kinsmen and himself are necessary for the fulfillment of Gandhari's promise, which does eventually occur in the Mahabharata. [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s ascension to heaven and the sinking of Dwarka lead to Arjuna's HeroicBSOD and the renunciation of the Pandavas. It also signifies the EndOfAnEra and the start of a new age.
** Subverted with Aswatamma, who instead suffers a FateWorseThanDeath via WhoWantsToLiveForever.


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* UnstoppableRage: Happened several times.
** Arjuna goes berserk after the Kauravas ganged up and killed his teenage son Abhimanyu.
** Krishna goes temporarily berserk when he learns that Arjuna was fighting Patriach Bhisma half-heartedly.
** Bhima goes berserk almost continuously in the epic, especially when someone insults Draupadi's honor.
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* FateWorsethanDeath: Ashvathama.

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* FateWorsethanDeath: FateWorseThanDeath: Ashvathama.



* GreyAndGrayMorality: Some people who read this epic insist that the whole conflict was basically about nuances of interpretations of Dharma (duty). If you don't get it, don't despair--most of the participants probably didn't get it either, until they died. Also, all described characters has a specified good enough reason to be there; almost everyone on the battlefield was there out of loyalty. And {{Jerk Ass}}es are everywhere.

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* GreyAndGrayMorality: Some people who read this epic insist that the whole conflict was basically about nuances of interpretations of Dharma (duty). If you don't get it, don't despair--most of the participants probably didn't get it either, until they died. Also, all described characters has have a specified good enough reason to be there; almost everyone on the battlefield was there out of loyalty. And {{Jerk Ass}}es are everywhere.



* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Happens to all the Pandavas during the Kurushetra battle. Leads to Yuddhistira [[spoiler: MyGodWhatHaveIDone speech]]

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* HeWhoFightsMonsters: Happens to all the Pandavas during the Kurushetra battle. Leads to Yuddhistira Yuddhistira's [[spoiler: MyGodWhatHaveIDone speech]]speech]].



* TheHighQueen: Draupadi. She is a bit Yandere, a bit DefrostingIceQueen, a bit LadyMacbeth and a bit of everything else. It's hard to classify her. She vows revenge on the Kauravas for [[BreakTheCutie her humiliation]] and gets it but in the process loses her [[spoiler:five children, her father and both her brothers]].

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* TheHighQueen: Draupadi. She is a bit Yandere, a bit DefrostingIceQueen, a bit LadyMacbeth and a bit of everything else. It's hard to classify her. She vows revenge on the Kauravas for [[BreakTheCutie her humiliation]] and gets it but in the process loses her [[spoiler:five [[spoiler:her five children, her father and both her brothers]].



* {{Irony}}: Draupadi had wished in her past life for a husband with all these great qualities, and Shiva told her it was very difficult (though not exactly impossible) to find one man with all those qualities. Karna is the one guy with all those qualities at once...and he can't be with Draupadi [[TypeCaste because of his social status]].

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* {{Irony}}: Draupadi had wished in her past life for a husband with all these great qualities, who was strong, talented, morally upright, and good-looking, and Shiva told her it was very difficult (though not exactly impossible) to find one man with all those qualities. Karna is the one guy with all those qualities at once...and he can't be with Draupadi [[TypeCaste because of his social status]].



** Which is very inconsistent with other parts of the book like the ''Literature/BhagavadGita'' where Krishna shows that he is not only God, but the very form of time itself who ultimately creates and devours universes! The Bhagavatam's take on that is that he had everyone fooled by faking a death scene when he actually went back to his abode of Vaikuntha. Being the MasterOfIllusion he is, he has often fooled everyone including the gods as to who he is throughout the book.
*** Not inconsistent. First, there is a difference between the mortal body and the soul. YMMV. The Death of Krishna's kinsmen and Krishna's death are necessary for the fullfilment of Gandhari's promise which does eventually occur in the Mahabharata. Krishna's ascension to heaven and the sinking of Dwarka lead to Arjuna's HeroicBSOD and the renunciation of the Pandavas. It also signifies the end of an age and the start of a new age.
** Subverted with Aswatamma who instead suffers a FateWorseThanDeath via WhoWantsToLiveForever.
* LongLostRelative: Karna, Pandavas's other half-brother. He was informed only in a context of the possibility to overtake the whole mess from Pandavas as the first child of Kunti, rendering the whole conflict moot and from this position resolve it as he see fit. Being a HotBlooded warrior as opposed to a MagnificentBastard, he met such news without any enthusiasm and chose to stick with his feudal obligations, friends and his stables-bound foster family.

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** Which is very inconsistent with other In [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s case, it's complicated. In separate parts of the book like book, such as the ''Literature/BhagavadGita'' where Krishna shows that he is not only God, but the very form of time itself who ultimately creates and devours universes! The Bhagavatam's take on that is that he had everyone fooled by faking a ''Literature/BhagavadGita'', [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s death scene is portrayed as a [[FakingTheDead fakeout]], when he actually went back to his abode of Vaikuntha. Being the MasterOfIllusion he is, he has often fooled everyone including the gods as to who he is throughout the book.
*** Not inconsistent. First,
book. However, there is a difference between the death of the mortal body and the soul. YMMV. [[DeaderThanDead death of the soul]]. The Death mortal deaths of Krishna's [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s kinsmen and Krishna's death himself are necessary for the fullfilment fulfillment of Gandhari's promise promise, which does eventually occur in the Mahabharata. Krishna's [[spoiler:Krishna]]'s ascension to heaven and the sinking of Dwarka lead to Arjuna's HeroicBSOD and the renunciation of the Pandavas. It also signifies the end of an age EndOfAnEra and the start of a new age.
** Subverted with Aswatamma Aswatamma, who instead suffers a FateWorseThanDeath via WhoWantsToLiveForever.
* LongLostRelative: Karna, the Pandavas's other half-brother. He was informed only in a context of the possibility to overtake the whole mess from the Pandavas as the first child of Kunti, rendering the whole conflict moot and from this position resolve it as he see fit. Being a HotBlooded warrior as opposed to a MagnificentBastard, he met such news without any enthusiasm and chose to stick with his feudal obligations, friends and his stables-bound foster family.
16th Feb '17 12:01:56 PM faunas
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* DoubleStandardRapeFemaleOnMale: Ulupi drags Arjuna underwater and propositions him, threatening to commit suicide after his initial refusal. Even though she's a total stranger, Arjuna considers this romantic and sexy. Compare this to the scene where Durodhyana threatens to rape Draupadi, a show of cruelty so enraging that several other Kshatriya (including Krishna, who is literally virtue incarnate) declare war on him.
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