History Literature / Mabinogion

21st Dec '16 11:46:37 AM Xtifr
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* {{Expy}}: Children's author Creator/LloydAlexander trawled ''The Mabinogion'' to create the characters, setting, and history of ''[[Literature/ChroniclesOfPrydain The Chronicles of Prydain]]''.

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* {{Expy}}: Children's author Creator/LloydAlexander trawled ''The Mabinogion'' to create the characters, setting, and history of ''[[Literature/ChroniclesOfPrydain The Chronicles of Prydain]]''.''Literature/TheChroniclesOfPrydain''.
2nd Dec '16 11:14:30 PM Xtifr
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The Welsh collection of stories called '''The Mabinogion''' is one of the major surviving bodies of [[Myth/CelticMythology Welsh myths]]. The stories in their modern forms are derived from two OlderThanPrint medieval Welsh manuscripts, the [[http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=whitebookofrhydderchpeniart White Book of Rhydderch]] and the [[http://image.ox.ac.uk/show-all-openings?collection=jesus&manuscript=ms111 Red Book of Hergest,]] along with a collection of smaller texts, but those are simply the oldest ''written'' versions of stories that are based on older oral legends; some motifs and plots can be traced back to the early Iron Age (1st millenium BCE). They are the product of a highly developed narrative tradition, both written and oral.

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The Welsh collection of stories called '''The Mabinogion''' ''The Mabinogion'' is one of the major surviving bodies of [[Myth/CelticMythology Welsh myths]]. The stories in their modern forms are derived from two OlderThanPrint medieval Welsh manuscripts, the [[http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=whitebookofrhydderchpeniart White Book of Rhydderch]] and the [[http://image.ox.ac.uk/show-all-openings?collection=jesus&manuscript=ms111 Red Book of Hergest,]] along with a collection of smaller texts, but those are simply the oldest ''written'' versions of stories that are based on older oral legends; some motifs and plots can be traced back to the early Iron Age (1st millenium BCE). They are the product of a highly developed narrative tradition, both written and oral.
26th Oct '16 7:39:20 AM dlchen145
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%%* {{Badass}}: A number of Arthur's knights, most notably Owain and Gwalchmai. Bedwyr earns special mention; he is one of the greatest warriors in Britain despite the obvious disadvantage of ''only having one hand''. Within the four branches, Gwydion the magician, Bendigeidfran the warrior king, and Efnisien the psychopath are perhaps the best examples.
25th Oct '16 3:22:48 PM Xtifr
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* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]]), to help bring him down.

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* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]]), TheWildHunt), to help bring him down.
7th Oct '16 7:20:04 PM Nightsky
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-->-- ''Fourth Branch of the Mabinogi'' [[note]]And they took the flowers of the oak, and the flowers of the broom, and the flowers of the meadowsweet, and from those they conjured up the fairest and most beautiful maiden anyone had ever seen. And they baptized her in the way that they did at that time, and named her Blodeuedd.[[/note]]

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-->-- ''Fourth Branch of the Mabinogi'' [[note]]And they took the flowers of the oak, and the flowers of the broom, and the flowers of the meadowsweet, and from those they conjured up the fairest and most beautiful maiden anyone had ever seen. And they baptized her in the way that they did at that time, and named her Blodeuedd.Blodeuedd ("flower-face").[[/note]]
17th Sep '16 7:08:52 AM narm00
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The name is the plural of ''Mabinogi'' somewhat archaic Welsh, but interestingly enough, the work should be called the "Mabinogi," since it consists of four branches of a ''single'' Mabinogi, rather than multiple ones. The scribe made a mistake in the first branch, ''Pwyll Pendefig Dyfed'', when he referred to it as the Mabinogion, which he later rectified in the other branches, but the name stuck. The best translation of "Mabinogi" appears to be "''tales of childhood''". ''Mab'' is the Welsh word for "son" (it's from the same root as the Gaelic ''mac''), and the consonant-mutation "''Vabinogi''" occurs in "''Llyma Vabinogi Iesu Grist''", a medieval manuscript (Peniarth MS 14) describing the childhood of {{Jesus}}.

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The name is the plural of ''Mabinogi'' somewhat archaic Welsh, but interestingly enough, the work should be called the "Mabinogi," since it consists of four branches of a ''single'' Mabinogi, rather than multiple ones. The A scribe made a mistake in the first branch, ''Pwyll Pendefig Dyfed'', when he referred to it as the Mabinogion, which he later rectified in the other branches, but the name stuck. The best translation of "Mabinogi" appears to be "''tales of childhood''". ''Mab'' is the Welsh word for "son" (it's from the same root as the Gaelic ''mac''), and the consonant-mutation "''Vabinogi''" occurs in "''Llyma Vabinogi Iesu Grist''", a medieval manuscript (Peniarth MS 14) describing the childhood of {{Jesus}}.



** Still up to mischief Gwydion then suggests Goewin be replaced by his sister [[ReallyGetsAround Arianrhod]]. Math puts her through a magical virginity test of stepping over a rod causing her to promptly give birth. The child is largely shoved off screen but Arianrhod also leaves a scrap of flesh that Gwydion keeps in a box [[ArtisticLicenseBiology and somehow becomes another boy.]]
** The rest of the narrative deals with Gwydion raising said boy and basically outwitting (or out magicking) his sister' curses to deny Lleu Llaw Gyffes his name, arms, and a wife. Then finally Lleu's misadventures with his wife and Lleu becoming king. Phew!

Two of the Native tales and the three Romances are in the most part older versions of [[KingArthur Arthurian legend]] that differ slightly in the actual contents.

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** Still up to mischief Gwydion then suggests Goewin be replaced by his sister [[ReallyGetsAround Arianrhod]]. Math puts her through a magical virginity test of stepping over a rod rod, causing her to promptly give birth. The child is largely shoved off screen but Arianrhod also leaves a scrap of flesh that Gwydion keeps in a box [[ArtisticLicenseBiology and somehow becomes another boy.]]
** The rest of the narrative deals with Gwydion raising said boy and basically outwitting (or out magicking) his sister' sister's curses to deny Lleu Llaw Gyffes his name, arms, and a wife. Then finally Lleu's misadventures with his wife and Lleu becoming king. Phew!

Two of the Native tales and the three Romances are in the most part older versions of [[KingArthur [[Myth/KingArthur Arthurian legend]] that differ slightly in the actual contents.



These last three are the ones that seem to be related to the Arthurian legends. "The Dream of Rhoabwy" is a late work, in which the main character dreams of King Arthur's time, and may have been written has deliberate fiction. "Culhwch and Olwen", however, is perhaps the oldest Arthurian tale surviving. Taliesin figures in some Arthurian stories as King Arthur's bard, but his tale is thought not to be part of the original Mabinogien.

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These last three are the ones that seem to be related to the Arthurian legends. "The Dream of Rhoabwy" is a late work, in which the main character dreams of King Arthur's time, and may have been written has as deliberate fiction. "Culhwch and Olwen", however, is perhaps the oldest Arthurian tale surviving. Taliesin figures in some Arthurian stories as King Arthur's bard, but his tale is thought not to be part of the original Mabinogien.



Apart from the doubtful "Tale of Taliesin", these three were the last parts of the Mabinogien to be composed, probably around the same time as most of the other medieval Arthurian stories, but draw on older roots Peredur is part of the Grail cycle.

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Apart from the doubtful "Tale of Taliesin", these three were the last parts of the Mabinogien to be composed, probably around the same time as most of the other medieval Arthurian stories, but draw on older roots roots. Peredur is part of the Grail cycle.



* ArtificialHuman: Blodeuedd. She "born" when Gwydion and Math club together to find a wife for Lleu, crafting her from the flowers of broom, meadowsweet and oak.

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* ArtificialHuman: Blodeuedd. She She's "born" when Gwydion and Math club together to find a wife for Lleu, crafting her from the flowers of broom, meadowsweet and oak.



* DemotedToExtra: Pryderi, in the Second and Fourth Branches. Half of the first branch revolves around his birth, kidnap and reunion with his parents and the third is about his return to Dyfed after the war in the second branch, but he only gets on mention in the second branch and is promptly KilledOffForReal and the beginning of the fourth.
* EngagementChallenge: In ''How Culhwch Won Olwen'', Culhwch is cursed by his WickedStepmother that he can [[ParentalMarriageVeto marry no-one]] but the daughter of Ysbaddaden the Giant, who claims that he cannot prepare for the ceremony until Culhwch hunts the [[FullBoarAction giant boar Twrch Trwyth]] and retreives a [[PlotCoupon comb, scissors and razor]] from his hair. But he can only be tracked by a [[LivingMacGuffin certain hound]], and the leash can only be made by a [[GottaCatchEmAll certain hero but held by another...]] until the job involves over forty different tasks and no less than KingArthur and his warband.

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* DemotedToExtra: Pryderi, in the Second and Fourth Branches. Half of the first branch revolves around his birth, kidnap and reunion with his parents and the third is about his return to Dyfed after the war in the second branch, but he only gets on one mention in the second branch and is promptly KilledOffForReal and at the beginning of the fourth.
* EngagementChallenge: In ''How Culhwch Won Olwen'', Culhwch is cursed by his WickedStepmother that he can [[ParentalMarriageVeto marry no-one]] but the daughter of Ysbaddaden the Giant, who claims that he cannot prepare for the ceremony until Culhwch hunts the [[FullBoarAction giant boar Twrch Trwyth]] and retreives a [[PlotCoupon comb, scissors and razor]] from his hair. But he can only be tracked by a [[LivingMacGuffin certain hound]], and the leash can only be made by a [[GottaCatchEmAll certain hero but held by another...]] until the job involves over forty different tasks and no less than KingArthur Myth/KingArthur and his warband.



* KarmicTransformation: As [[BalefulPolymorph punishment]] for the rape of Goewin, King Math transforms the brothers Gilfaethwy and Gwydion in different animals each year, one a male and one a female, until they have born three offspring together.

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* KarmicTransformation: As [[BalefulPolymorph punishment]] for the rape of Goewin, King Math transforms the brothers Gilfaethwy and Gwydion in different animals each year, one a male and one a female, until they have born borne three offspring together.



* RedemptionEqualsDeath: Efnisien, the catalyst for the entire war sacrifices himself to clinch victory for the Britons.

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* RedemptionEqualsDeath: Efnisien, the catalyst for the entire war war, sacrifices himself to clinch victory for the Britons.



* TheUglyGuysHotDaughter: Ysbaddaden, the brutal giant chief is not much of a looker. His daughter, Olwen, on the other hand...

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* TheUglyGuysHotDaughter: Ysbaddaden, the brutal giant chief chief, is not much of a looker. His daughter, Olwen, on the other hand...



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24th Aug '15 5:26:13 PM WillKeaton
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The Welsh collection of stories called '''The Mabinogion''' is one of the major surviving bodies of [[Myth/CelticMythology Welsh myths]]. The stories in their modern forms are derived from two OlderThanPrint medieval Welsh manuscripts, the [[http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=whitebookofrhydderchpeniart White Book of Rhydderch]] and the [[http://image.ox.ac.uk/show-all-openings?collection=jesus&manuscript=ms111 Red Book of Hergest]], along with a collection of smaller texts, but those are simply the oldest ''written'' versions of stories that are based on older oral legends; some motifs and plots can be traced back to the early Iron Age (1st millenium BCE). They are the product of a highly developed narrative tradition, both written and oral.

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The Welsh collection of stories called '''The Mabinogion''' is one of the major surviving bodies of [[Myth/CelticMythology Welsh myths]]. The stories in their modern forms are derived from two OlderThanPrint medieval Welsh manuscripts, the [[http://www.llgc.org.uk/index.php?id=whitebookofrhydderchpeniart White Book of Rhydderch]] and the [[http://image.ox.ac.uk/show-all-openings?collection=jesus&manuscript=ms111 Red Book of Hergest]], Hergest,]] along with a collection of smaller texts, but those are simply the oldest ''written'' versions of stories that are based on older oral legends; some motifs and plots can be traced back to the early Iron Age (1st millenium BCE). They are the product of a highly developed narrative tradition, both written and oral.
29th May '15 1:23:55 PM TheWizardAbs
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* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]], to help bring him down.

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* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]], Hunt]]), to help bring him down.
29th May '15 1:23:17 PM TheWizardAbs
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%%* DemotedToExtra: Pryderi, in the Second and Fourth Branches.

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%%* * DemotedToExtra: Pryderi, in the Second and Fourth Branches.Branches. Half of the first branch revolves around his birth, kidnap and reunion with his parents and the third is about his return to Dyfed after the war in the second branch, but he only gets on mention in the second branch and is promptly KilledOffForReal and the beginning of the fourth.



%%* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]], to help bring him down.

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%%* * FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]], to help bring him down.



%%* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething

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%%* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething* RoyalsWhoActuallyDoSomething: Pryderi leads his troops into war, as does Math. Pwyll defeats Arawn's enemy Hafgan and cements an alliance between Annwn and Dyfed.
29th May '15 1:16:31 PM TheWizardAbs
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%%* ArtificialHuman: Blodeuedd.

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%%* * ArtificialHuman: Blodeuedd.Blodeuedd. She "born" when Gwydion and Math club together to find a wife for Lleu, crafting her from the flowers of broom, meadowsweet and oak.



%%* BadassCrew: Culhwch and his companions in ''Culhwch and Olwen''

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%%* * BadassCrew: Culhwch and his companions in ''Culhwch and Olwen''Olwen.'' They break Mabon ap Modron out of the tower he's been imprisoned in since he was three days old and hunt an enchanted boar with poisonous bristles.



%%* CoolAndUnusualPunishment: See KarmicTransformation below.

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%%* * CoolAndUnusualPunishment: See KarmicTransformation below.Gwydion and Gilfaethwy get handed one from their uncle, where they're transformed into a different pair of breeding animals each year for three years.



%%* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature.
%%* GenderBender: Gwydion and Gilfaethwy.

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%%* FullBoarAction: Twrch Trwyth is definitely one of the more badass pigs in world literature.
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literature; he can't be hunted except with certain hounds, has poisonous bristles and requires the likes of Gwyn ap Nudd (legendary leader of the [[WildHunt the Wild Hunt]], to help bring him down.
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GenderBender: Gwydion and Gilfaethwy.Gilfaethwy. Biologically male, both of them alternate being female throughout their punishment for the rape of Goewin.



%%* LongList: In ''How Culhwch Won Olwen.''
%%* MagicKnight: Gwydion from the ''Fourth Branch'' is one of the most martial wizards in myth. Also Menw from ''Culhwch ac Olwen''.

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%%* * LongList: In ''How Culhwch Won Olwen.''
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Olwen'' contains a list of King Arthur's companions which numbers at around 260 names, and takes up about four pages in some editions.
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MagicKnight: Gwydion from the ''Fourth Branch'' is one of the most martial wizards in myth. Also Menw from ''Culhwch ac Olwen''.He defeats Pryderi in one on one combat, and he once animated an entire forest of trees to serve as an army against Arawn.



%%* NighInvulnerability: Lleu.

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%%* * NighInvulnerability: Lleu.Lleu. He can be killed, but only under extremely specific circumstances. He has to be struck while he has one foot on the back of a billy-goat and one on the edge of a roofed bath that sits on a riverbank. In his own words: "I cannot be killed indoors, nor our of doors; I cannot be killed on horseback, nor on foot." The spear it would take to kill him needs to be forged over a year of Sundays.
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