History Literature / LilithsBrood

7th Sep '16 1:04:46 AM PaulA
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''Lilith's Brood'', by OctaviaButler, previously published as ''Xenogenesis'', is the compilation of three novels. The first in the series follows Lilith after she awakens to her new world, while the sequels are told from the point of view of her genetically altered children.

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''Lilith's Brood'', by OctaviaButler, Creator/OctaviaButler, previously published as ''Xenogenesis'', is the compilation of three novels. The first in the series follows Lilith after she awakens to her new world, while the sequels are told from the point of view of her genetically altered children.
5th Sep '15 2:49:17 AM CygnusArcana
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* FaceFullOfAlienWingWong: The Oankali solution to humanity's "flaw".[[note]]The ooloi take all the DNA samples of the parents and build fetuses without the flaw (or any flaws, really) of hierarchies and sentience.[[/note]]

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* FaceFullOfAlienWingWong: The Oankali solution to humanity's "flaw".[[note]]The ooloi take all the DNA samples of the parents and build fetuses without the flaw (or any flaws, really) of hierarchies and sentience.hierarchies.[[/note]]
17th Jun '14 10:04:56 AM Shieldage
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* ActuallyIAmHim: Sort of. In the second book, Lilith introduces herself to a human who had run away from the Oankali. He remarks that she has an unfortunate name, since it's the same as the woman who betrayed humanity by allying with the Oankali, before she explains she ''is'' that woman.

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* ActuallyIAmHim: Sort of. [[ActuallyIAmHim Actually I Am Her]]: In the second book, Lilith introduces herself to a human who had run away from the Oankali. He remarks that she has an unfortunate name, since it's the same as the woman who betrayed humanity by allying with the Oankali, before she explains she ''is'' that woman.
14th Jun '14 4:39:47 PM WaterBlap
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* NaughtyTentacles: The Ooloi's extra 'arms' are used in reproduction.
27th Jan '14 8:55:47 AM WilliamSyler
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* SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes: The Oankali are essentially raping humanity[[note]]they even use the "your mouth said no, but your body said yes" rationale, which may or may not hold water considering their whole ''thing'' is reading body language, pheremones, and other physiological things like humans would read a book[[/note]], so this goes through a few of them:

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* SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes: The Oankali are essentially raping humanity[[note]]they even use the "your mouth said no, but your body said yes" rationale, which may or may not hold water considering their whole ''thing'' is reading body language, pheremones, and other physiological things like humans would read have a book[[/note]], in-depth conversation[[/note]], so this goes through a few of them:
27th Jan '14 8:53:40 AM WilliamSyler
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* BrotherSisterIncest: The default and ideal mating group ("coupling" is inaccurate by 33%, as explained above) for Oankali is a brother and sister plus an ooloi from a different family. They tend to encourage these...family values in humans, which means that hybrid families involve TWO EACH of males and females, plus ooloi.

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* BrotherSisterIncest: The default and ideal mating group ("coupling" is inaccurate by 33%, as explained above) for Oankali is a brother and sister plus an ooloi from a different family.family[[note]]It's helpful to know that the ooloi are living gene manipulators, and as long as they don't get complacent with genes they know (hence them being from a different family), they prevent the negative genetic aspects of incest[[/note]]. They tend to encourage these...family values in humans, which means that hybrid families involve TWO EACH of males and females, plus ooloi.



* EarthShatteringKaboom: [[spoiler: Turns out the Oankali aren't that nice after all - they're basically strip-mining Earth to make more spaceships, hence they can't just let a society of fertile humans alone]].
* FaceFullOfAlienWingWong: The Oankali solution to humanity's "flaw".

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* EarthShatteringKaboom: [[spoiler: Turns out the Oankali aren't that nice after all - they're basically strip-mining Earth to make more spaceships, spaceships because of their drive to genetically merge with other species, hence they can't just let a society of fertile humans alone]].
* FaceFullOfAlienWingWong: The Oankali solution to humanity's "flaw".[[note]]The ooloi take all the DNA samples of the parents and build fetuses without the flaw (or any flaws, really) of hierarchies and sentience.[[/note]]



* InYourNatureToDestroyYourselves: The Oankali believe that humanity is doomed to destroy itself because of its contradictory traits - intelligence and hierarchical social structures.[[note]]Indeed, Oankali and their hybrid descendants can ''see'' this contradiction. A hybrid who argues for permitting a pure-human settlement on Mars does so knowing that the settlement ''must'', inevitably, destroy itself.[[/note]] The only solution is to correct it by breeding with the Oankali, removing the hierarchical instincts.

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* InYourNatureToDestroyYourselves: The Oankali believe that humanity is doomed to destroy itself because of its contradictory traits - intelligence and hierarchical social structures.[[note]]Indeed, Oankali and their hybrid descendants can ''see'' this contradiction. A hybrid who argues for permitting a pure-human settlement on Mars does so knowing that the settlement ''must'', inevitably, destroy itself.[[/note]] The only solution is to correct it by breeding with the Oankali, removing the hierarchical instincts.instincts by genetic manipulation of the next generation.



* ItsWhatIDo: The Oankali in regard to interbreeding and genetic manipulation. It's just something they're as compelled to do as humans are to breathing.

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* ItsWhatIDo: The Oankali in regard to interbreeding and interbreeding, genetic manipulation.manipulation, and space travel. It's just something they're as compelled to do as humans are to breathing.
25th Sep '13 11:13:28 AM SeptimusHeap
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* SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes: The Oankali are essentially raping humanity[[hottip:+:they even use the "your mouth said no, but your body said yes" rationale, which may or may not hold water considering their whole ''thing'' is reading body language, pheremones, and other physiological things like humans would read a book]], so this goes through a few of them:

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* SexualHarassmentAndRapeTropes: The Oankali are essentially raping humanity[[hottip:+:they humanity[[note]]they even use the "your mouth said no, but your body said yes" rationale, which may or may not hold water considering their whole ''thing'' is reading body language, pheremones, and other physiological things like humans would read a book]], book[[/note]], so this goes through a few of them:
4th Aug '13 10:43:38 PM Korodzik
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* InYourNatureToDestroyYourselves: The Oankali believe that humanity is doomed to destroy itself because of its contradictory traits - intelligence and hierarchical social structures.[[hottip:*: Indeed, Oankali and their hybrid descendants can ''see'' this contradiction. A hybrid who argues for permitting a pure-human settlement on Mars does so knowing that the settlement ''must'', inevitably, destroy itself.]] The only solution is to correct it by breeding with the Oankali, removing the hierarchical instincts.

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* InYourNatureToDestroyYourselves: The Oankali believe that humanity is doomed to destroy itself because of its contradictory traits - intelligence and hierarchical social structures.[[hottip:*: Indeed, [[note]]Indeed, Oankali and their hybrid descendants can ''see'' this contradiction. A hybrid who argues for permitting a pure-human settlement on Mars does so knowing that the settlement ''must'', inevitably, destroy itself.]] [[/note]] The only solution is to correct it by breeding with the Oankali, removing the hierarchical instincts.
2nd Jun '13 5:04:36 AM Vasha
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* ActuallyIAmHim: Sort of. In the second book, Lilith introduces herself to a human who had run away from the Oankali. He remarks that she has an unfortunate name, since it's the same as the woman who betrayed humanity by allying with the Oankali, before she explains she ''is'' the woman.

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* ActuallyIAmHim: Sort of. In the second book, Lilith introduces herself to a human who had run away from the Oankali. He remarks that she has an unfortunate name, since it's the same as the woman who betrayed humanity by allying with the Oankali, before she explains she ''is'' the that woman.



* ContemptibleCover / CoversAlwaysLie: The cover of ''Lilith's Brood'' makes it look like a romance novel.
** It ''is'' a romance novel. It's just a very, very, ''very'' unconventional one. What's contemptible about the cover is that the woman on it generally looks nothing like Lilith is described.



* RedHerring: In the second book, it's established that plastic is poisonous to the Oankali. You'd think this would lead to it being used in some sort of resistance, but it's never brought up again.
** That's because Akin was easily able to eject it from his system without letting it harm him: if even a toddler was able to easily rid himself of it, fully matured Oankali would have no trouble with it at all. Butler was probably just trying to toss in an environmental message.

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* RedHerring: In RaceLift: The cover of the second book, it's established that plastic is poisonous to first paperback edition of vol. 1 (''Dawn'') depicted Lilith as white (but the Oankali. You'd think this would lead to it being used ''other'' character in some sort of resistance, but it's never brought up again.
** That's because Akin was easily able to eject it from his system without letting it harm him: if even a toddler was able to easily rid himself of it, fully matured Oankali would have no trouble with it at all. Butler was probably just trying to toss in an environmental message.
the scene exactly as described).
24th Jan '13 9:11:54 AM MrDeath
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* IncestIsRelative: The Oankali's preferred family grouping is between brothers and sisters, and they encourage humans to do the same. Also, [[spoiler:the HiddenElfVillage of fertile humans is incredibly inbred as a result of this. All its inhabitants are descendents of a single woman and a random man who raped her and was never seen again.]]
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